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Title: Obama: Jail Time for Those without Health Insurance
Source: ABC
URL Source: http://blogs.abcnews.com/politicalp ... out-health-care-insurance.html
Published: Nov 10, 2009
Author: Sunlen Miller
Post Date: 2009-11-10 10:37:57 by noone222
Keywords: None
Views: 1091
Comments: 105

Political Punch Interview with the President: Jail Time for Those without Health Care Insurance? November 09, 2009 6:30 PM

During an exclusive interview with ABC News’ Jake Tapper today, President Obama said that penalties are appropriate for people who try to “free ride” the health care system but stopped short of endorsing the threat of jail time for those who refuse to pay a fine for not having insurance.

“What I think is appropriate is that in the same way that everybody has to get auto insurance and if you don't, you're subject to some penalty, that in this situation, if you have the ability to buy insurance, it's affordable and you choose not to do so, forcing you and me and everybody else to subsidize you, you know, there's a thousand dollar hidden tax that families all across America are -- are burdened by because of the fact that people don't have health insurance, you know, there's nothing wrong with a penalty.”

Under the House bill those who can afford to buy insurance and don’t’ pay a fine. If the refuse to pay that fine there’s a threat – as with a lot of tax fines – of jail time. The Senate removed that provision in the Senate Finance Committee.

Mr. Obama said penalties have to be high enough for people to not game the system, but it’s also important to not be “so punitive” that people who are having a hard time find themselves suddenly worse off, thus why hardship exemptions have been built in the legislation.

“I think the general broad principle is simply that people who are paying for their health insurance aren't subsidizing folks who simply choose not to until they get sick and then suddenly they expect free health insurance. That's -- that's basic concept of responsibility that I think most Americans abide by,” Mr. Obama said, “penalties are appropriate for people who try to free ride the system and force others to pay for their health insurance.”

The President said that he didn’t think the question over the appropriateness of possible jail time is the “biggest question” the House and Senate are facing right now.

Read more from Jake Tapper’s interview with President Obama HERE.

-Sunlen Miller


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#4. To: noone222 (#0)

More misinformation. There is no jail time if you do not buy health insurnace.

The jail time refers to fraud stipulations.

belmontconservative  posted on  2009-11-10   11:39:34 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#9. To: belmontconservative, noone222, mirage, Original_Intent, TommyThe MadArtist (#4)

More misinformation. There is no jail time if you do not buy health insurnace.

The jail time refers to fraud stipulations.

Belmont, you are wrong.

Listen to the interview that is linked to by the url of the article in this thread. The subject comes up at 14:21 and continues through to 12:31 of the interview.

Obama is asked directly about the House bill's threat of jail time to ordinary folks like you and me, which fyi is the ultimate consequence for those who The State [based on info from the IRS] determines can afford to buy insurance and do not do so. After trying to dodge the question, Obumski confirms that is true and that he supports these penalties.

Here's the sequence of "penalties." First people are fined and if they refuse to pay the fine they go to jail.

scrapper2  posted on  2009-11-10   13:36:17 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#11. To: scrapper2 (#9)

Scrapper. I have seen how these sound bytes can be misconstrued. Paste a link to the actualal page in the bill that shows people will be put in jail for not having health insurance.

belmontconservative  posted on  2009-11-10   14:09:20 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


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#12. To: belmontconservative, noone222, mirage, Original_Intent, TommyThe MadArtist (#11) (Edited)

Scrapper. I have seen how these sound bytes can be misconstrued. Paste a link to the actualal page in the bill that shows people will be put in jail for not having health insurance.

a. The interview with Obumski is NOT a sound byte - it's the entire interview of 18 minutes or whatever, which you would have known, if you had bothered to take the time to listen to it. This is important stuff that will have very big negative ramifications on all Americans, including yourself - I'm surprised that you are sitting on your hands and not looking into the subject yourself.

b. Here's the url that refers to the sections of the House bill that addresses fines and jail penalties for not buying insurance if you have the financial means to do so.

Btw, there's an embedded link at the following url to the JCT [Joint Committee on Taxation] stamped on gubment stationery letterhead letter. The House bill makes it a felony offense not to buy health insurance if you can afford it.

republicans.waysandmeans....le.aspx?DocumentID=153583

PELOSI: Buy a $15,000 Policy or Go to Jail

JCT Confirms Failure to Comply with Democrats’ Mandate Can Lead to 5 Years in Jail

Friday, November 06, 2009

Today, Ranking Member of the House Ways and Means Committee Dave Camp (R-MI) released a letter from the non-partisan Joint Committee on Taxation (JCT) confirming that the failure to comply with the individual mandate to buy health insurance contained in the Pelosi health care bill (H.R. 3962, as amended) could land people in jail. The JCT letter makes clear that Americans who do not maintain “acceptable health insurance coverage” and who choose not to pay the bill’s new individual mandate tax (generally 2.5% of income), are subject to numerous civil and criminal penalties, including criminal fines of up to $250,000 and imprisonment of up to five years.

In response to the JCT letter, Camp said: “This is the ultimate example of the Democrats’ command-and-control style of governing – buy what we tell you or go to jail. It is outrageous and it should be stopped immediately.”

Key excerpts from the JCT letter appear below:

“H.R. 3962 provides that an individual (or a husband and wife in the case of a joint return) who does not, at any time during the taxable year, maintain acceptable health insurance coverage for himself or herself and each of his or her qualifying children is subject to an additional tax.” [page 1]

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“If the government determines that the taxpayer’s unpaid tax liability results from willful behavior, the following penalties could apply…” [page 2]

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“Criminal penalties

Prosecution is authorized under the Code for a variety of offenses. Depending on the level of the noncompliance, the following penalties could apply to an individual:

• Section 7203 – misdemeanor willful failure to pay is punishable by a fine of up to $25,000 and/or imprisonment of up to one year.

• Section 7201 – felony willful evasion is punishable by a fine of up to $250,000 and/or imprisonment of up to five years.” [page 3]

When confronted with this same issue during its consideration of a similar individual mandate tax, the Senate Finance Committee worked on a bipartisan basis to include language in its bill that shielded Americans from civil and criminal penalties. The Pelosi bill, however, contains no similar language protecting American citizens from civil and criminal tax penalties that could include a $250,000 fine and five years in jail.

“The Senate Finance Committee had the good sense to eliminate the extreme penalty of incarceration. Speaker Pelosi’s decision to leave in the jail time provision is a threat to every family who cannot afford the $15,000 premium her plan creates. Fortunately, Republicans have an alternative that will lower health insurance costs without raising taxes or cutting Medicare,” said Camp.

According to the Congressional Budget Office the lowest cost family non-group plan under the Speaker’s bill would cost $15,000 in 2016.

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