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Title: Obama: Jail Time for Those without Health Insurance
Source: ABC
URL Source: http://blogs.abcnews.com/politicalp ... out-health-care-insurance.html
Published: Nov 10, 2009
Author: Sunlen Miller
Post Date: 2009-11-10 10:37:57 by noone222
Keywords: None
Views: 1246
Comments: 105

Political Punch Interview with the President: Jail Time for Those without Health Care Insurance? November 09, 2009 6:30 PM

During an exclusive interview with ABC News’ Jake Tapper today, President Obama said that penalties are appropriate for people who try to “free ride” the health care system but stopped short of endorsing the threat of jail time for those who refuse to pay a fine for not having insurance.

“What I think is appropriate is that in the same way that everybody has to get auto insurance and if you don't, you're subject to some penalty, that in this situation, if you have the ability to buy insurance, it's affordable and you choose not to do so, forcing you and me and everybody else to subsidize you, you know, there's a thousand dollar hidden tax that families all across America are -- are burdened by because of the fact that people don't have health insurance, you know, there's nothing wrong with a penalty.”

Under the House bill those who can afford to buy insurance and don’t’ pay a fine. If the refuse to pay that fine there’s a threat – as with a lot of tax fines – of jail time. The Senate removed that provision in the Senate Finance Committee.

Mr. Obama said penalties have to be high enough for people to not game the system, but it’s also important to not be “so punitive” that people who are having a hard time find themselves suddenly worse off, thus why hardship exemptions have been built in the legislation.

“I think the general broad principle is simply that people who are paying for their health insurance aren't subsidizing folks who simply choose not to until they get sick and then suddenly they expect free health insurance. That's -- that's basic concept of responsibility that I think most Americans abide by,” Mr. Obama said, “penalties are appropriate for people who try to free ride the system and force others to pay for their health insurance.”

The President said that he didn’t think the question over the appropriateness of possible jail time is the “biggest question” the House and Senate are facing right now.

Read more from Jake Tapper’s interview with President Obama HERE.

-Sunlen Miller


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#7. To: noone222 (#0)

President Obama said that penalties are appropriate for people who try to “free ride” the health care system but stopped short of endorsing the threat of jail time for those who refuse to pay a fine for not having insurance.

As already pointed out, but to underscore it, comparing health insurance to auto insurance is a false simile. This IS one of the Logical Fallacies our political elite routinely use to sell their usual load of .....

Auto Insurance is required for L-I-A-B-I-L-I-T-Y for the other driver and passengers not for the driver per se.

Requiring someone to purchase an elective product, a product they may not need or want, is not at all the same fettle of kish. This is merely a marketing ploy to sell the idea to the weak minded who already are in favor of Nationalized Hellthcare - which again is designed to benefit those providing the care and selling the obscenely marked-up Pharmaceuticals not the patient.

Original_Intent  posted on  2009-11-10   13:06:10 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#10. To: Original_Intent (#7)

Auto Insurance is required for L-I-A-B-I-L-I-T-Y for the other driver and passengers not for the driver per se.

OI. let's say you have no health insurnace and you have a $500,000 claim. and you just walk away from paying it i.e. declare bankruptcy.

I have to pay for your claim via higher premiums because the hospital charges the people with insurnace more money to make up for your loss. Just like shoplifters cause us all to pay higher prices at stores.

What's the difference with your example? I came back from a insurnace meeting and according to the stats if all people had insurance the premiums would drop by 35-40%

belmontconservative  posted on  2009-11-10   14:06:26 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#26. To: belmontconservative (#10)

Auto Insurance is required for L-I-A-B-I-L-I-T-Y for the other driver and passengers not for the driver per se.

OI. let's say you have no health insurnace and you have a $500,000 claim. and you just walk away from paying it i.e. declare bankruptcy.

I have to pay for your claim via higher premiums because the hospital charges the people with insurnace more money to make up for your loss. Just like shoplifters cause us all to pay higher prices at stores.

What's the difference with your example? I came back from a insurnace meeting and according to the stats if all people had insurance the premiums would drop by 35-40%

The person incurring the debt is responsible for the debt.

However, most people are already covered by some form of insurance - whether public or private. It is only 8 million out of 300+ million (at least 1/3 of which are in the country illegally) who have no coverage. You do not need a Howitzer to hunt gnats - you need a flyswatter.

Providing a public Catastrophic Coverage Option is much different than creating an entitlement for Big Insurance and Big Pharma - which IS what this current bill is. You do not need to unconstitutionally SOCIALIZE the entire medical system to cover 8 million people. Healthcare is NOT the Feral Government's job. If it is to be addressed it should be most properly done at the State level, but you lovers of Gargantuan oppressive all encompassing Socialism always want the government to tell other people what to do for your convenience - even though time and again that venue has failed. Witness "The War on Some Drugs". Ever been in the military? I have, and for a significant amount of time - I know first hand how Socialized Hellthcare works - indifferent mediocrity to substandard, to outright incompetent. Insanity has been defined by some as doing the same thing over and over again expecting a different result. Hmmm? If the shoe fits ...

As well one can create positive incentives to get coverage - such as making it 100% deductible from your taxes. However, that has not even been on the table. Instead we are to get 111 new bureaucracies and the use of force upon allegedly free citizens to comply with someone's neurotic fears.

Original_Intent  posted on  2009-11-10   16:05:04 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#28. To: Original_Intent (#26) (Edited)

1.The person incurring the debt is responsible for the debt.

2.However, most people are already covered by some form of insurance - whether public or private. It is only 8 million out of 300+ million (at least 1/3 of which are in the country illegally) who have no coverage. You do not need a Howitzer to hunt gnats - you need a flyswatter

1. I agree OI but we live in a inperfect world. In my state for instance the hospitals are only collecting 10 cents on the dollar from people without insurance... and these people are racking up the high end of life type bills- atv accidents, strokes etc.

2. There are way more than 8 million LEGALS without insurance. I have seen figures from 25 to 30 million(without the illegals) from the insurance industry...and they want to lowball the figure.

belmontconservative  posted on  2009-11-10   16:13:44 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#32. To: belmontconservative (#28)

In my state for instance the hospitals are only collecting 10 cents on the dollar from people without insurance... and these people are racking up the high end of life type bills- atv accidents, strokes etc.

That is because there is a Federal Law in place requiring the hospitals to provide care regardless of ability to pay -- without creating a fund to ensure that hospitals are reimbursed.

Now, I'm not saying that we should be turning away the bloody at the ER doors, but a Government Mandate without Dollars behind it is a big problem here.

mirage  posted on  2009-11-10   16:23:08 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#35. To: mirage (#32)

That is because there is a Federal Law in place requiring the hospitals to provide care regardless of ability to pay -- without creating a fund to ensure that hospitals are reimbursed.

There are reasons why this law was implemented.

Would you want to deny people with super contagious diseases because they did not have insurance??

belmontconservative  posted on  2009-11-10   16:28:20 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#40. To: belmontconservative (#35)

Would you want to deny people with super contagious diseases because they did not have insurance??

Re-read my post.

It is a mandate without funding. That is why we are having problems.

If we are going to have a mandate, then it must be funded. The lack of funding causes the problems with hospitals going broke and jacks up everyone else's costs.

Is that clear enough?

mirage  posted on  2009-11-10   16:35:45 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


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#41. To: mirage (#40)

It is a mandate without funding. That is why we are having problems.

Yes, and if you have mandatory health insurance it will be funded.

belmontconservative  posted on  2009-11-10 16:37:31 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


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