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Title: Obama: Jail Time for Those without Health Insurance
Source: ABC
URL Source: http://blogs.abcnews.com/politicalp ... out-health-care-insurance.html
Published: Nov 10, 2009
Author: Sunlen Miller
Post Date: 2009-11-10 10:37:57 by noone222
Keywords: None
Views: 1193
Comments: 105

Political Punch Interview with the President: Jail Time for Those without Health Care Insurance? November 09, 2009 6:30 PM

During an exclusive interview with ABC News’ Jake Tapper today, President Obama said that penalties are appropriate for people who try to “free ride” the health care system but stopped short of endorsing the threat of jail time for those who refuse to pay a fine for not having insurance.

“What I think is appropriate is that in the same way that everybody has to get auto insurance and if you don't, you're subject to some penalty, that in this situation, if you have the ability to buy insurance, it's affordable and you choose not to do so, forcing you and me and everybody else to subsidize you, you know, there's a thousand dollar hidden tax that families all across America are -- are burdened by because of the fact that people don't have health insurance, you know, there's nothing wrong with a penalty.”

Under the House bill those who can afford to buy insurance and don’t’ pay a fine. If the refuse to pay that fine there’s a threat – as with a lot of tax fines – of jail time. The Senate removed that provision in the Senate Finance Committee.

Mr. Obama said penalties have to be high enough for people to not game the system, but it’s also important to not be “so punitive” that people who are having a hard time find themselves suddenly worse off, thus why hardship exemptions have been built in the legislation.

“I think the general broad principle is simply that people who are paying for their health insurance aren't subsidizing folks who simply choose not to until they get sick and then suddenly they expect free health insurance. That's -- that's basic concept of responsibility that I think most Americans abide by,” Mr. Obama said, “penalties are appropriate for people who try to free ride the system and force others to pay for their health insurance.”

The President said that he didn’t think the question over the appropriateness of possible jail time is the “biggest question” the House and Senate are facing right now.

Read more from Jake Tapper’s interview with President Obama HERE.

-Sunlen Miller


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Comparing Health Insurance to Car Insurance implies that like driving, living is a "privilege" ...

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#7. To: noone222 (#0)

President Obama said that penalties are appropriate for people who try to “free ride” the health care system but stopped short of endorsing the threat of jail time for those who refuse to pay a fine for not having insurance.

As already pointed out, but to underscore it, comparing health insurance to auto insurance is a false simile. This IS one of the Logical Fallacies our political elite routinely use to sell their usual load of .....

Auto Insurance is required for L-I-A-B-I-L-I-T-Y for the other driver and passengers not for the driver per se.

Requiring someone to purchase an elective product, a product they may not need or want, is not at all the same fettle of kish. This is merely a marketing ploy to sell the idea to the weak minded who already are in favor of Nationalized Hellthcare - which again is designed to benefit those providing the care and selling the obscenely marked-up Pharmaceuticals not the patient.

Original_Intent  posted on  2009-11-10   13:06:10 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#10. To: Original_Intent (#7)

Auto Insurance is required for L-I-A-B-I-L-I-T-Y for the other driver and passengers not for the driver per se.

OI. let's say you have no health insurnace and you have a $500,000 claim. and you just walk away from paying it i.e. declare bankruptcy.

I have to pay for your claim via higher premiums because the hospital charges the people with insurnace more money to make up for your loss. Just like shoplifters cause us all to pay higher prices at stores.

What's the difference with your example? I came back from a insurnace meeting and according to the stats if all people had insurance the premiums would drop by 35-40%

belmontconservative  posted on  2009-11-10   14:06:26 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#26. To: belmontconservative (#10)

Auto Insurance is required for L-I-A-B-I-L-I-T-Y for the other driver and passengers not for the driver per se.

OI. let's say you have no health insurnace and you have a $500,000 claim. and you just walk away from paying it i.e. declare bankruptcy.

I have to pay for your claim via higher premiums because the hospital charges the people with insurnace more money to make up for your loss. Just like shoplifters cause us all to pay higher prices at stores.

What's the difference with your example? I came back from a insurnace meeting and according to the stats if all people had insurance the premiums would drop by 35-40%

The person incurring the debt is responsible for the debt.

However, most people are already covered by some form of insurance - whether public or private. It is only 8 million out of 300+ million (at least 1/3 of which are in the country illegally) who have no coverage. You do not need a Howitzer to hunt gnats - you need a flyswatter.

Providing a public Catastrophic Coverage Option is much different than creating an entitlement for Big Insurance and Big Pharma - which IS what this current bill is. You do not need to unconstitutionally SOCIALIZE the entire medical system to cover 8 million people. Healthcare is NOT the Feral Government's job. If it is to be addressed it should be most properly done at the State level, but you lovers of Gargantuan oppressive all encompassing Socialism always want the government to tell other people what to do for your convenience - even though time and again that venue has failed. Witness "The War on Some Drugs". Ever been in the military? I have, and for a significant amount of time - I know first hand how Socialized Hellthcare works - indifferent mediocrity to substandard, to outright incompetent. Insanity has been defined by some as doing the same thing over and over again expecting a different result. Hmmm? If the shoe fits ...

As well one can create positive incentives to get coverage - such as making it 100% deductible from your taxes. However, that has not even been on the table. Instead we are to get 111 new bureaucracies and the use of force upon allegedly free citizens to comply with someone's neurotic fears.

Original_Intent  posted on  2009-11-10   16:05:04 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#31. To: Original_Intent (#26)

than creating an entitlement for Big Insurance and Big Pharma - which IS what this current bill is. You do not need to unconstitutionally SOCIALIZE the entire medical system to cover 8 million people.

If Big Insurance and Big pharma are still part of the pictue it is not socialized medicine. Socialized medicine is when the gov't controls and runs/owns every aspect of health care. The docs are employees of the gov't and the gov't owns and runs the hospitals. Medicare is not considered socialized because the doctors/hospitals are not employees of the gov't -it's still quasi private

belmontconservative  posted on  2009-11-10   16:21:39 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#42. To: belmontconservative, all (#31)

If Big Insurance and Big pharma are still part of the pictue it is not socialized medicine. Socialized medicine is when the gov't controls and runs/owns every aspect of health care. The docs are employees of the gov't and the gov't owns and runs the hospitals. Medicare is not considered socialized because the doctors/hospitals are not employees of the gov't -it's still quasi private

So you approve of it if it is operated for the benefit of Big Insurance and Big Pharma irrespective what it does for the patients?

So are you a fascist rather than a socialist?

Regardless of how you try to spin away from it is AUTHORITARIANISM whichever flavor you care to name it. One thing it is NOT is anything resembling the liberty bequeathed to us by the Founding Fathers.

Original_Intent  posted on  2009-11-10   16:40:44 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#46. To: Original_Intent (#42) (Edited)

So you approve of it if it is operated for the benefit of Big Insurance and Big Pharma irrespective what it does for the patients?

So are you a fascist rather than a socialist?

I have been a health insurance agent for 25 years. I am no fan of the insurance companies. The stories I could tell...

That being said I want the insurance comanies to have a part of the system but they need to have their feet put to the fire.

I remember the days when if a newborn infant was born and it had major birth defects, it was only covered for the first 30 days. If the parents tried to add the baby onto their plan the baby was denied. What a way to start out a new family huh?- 100,00's of thousands of dollars in debt

Fed rules eliminated this. Now a baby is automatically covered for Pre-ex conditions as long as they sign the baby up within 31 days of the birth. Not all gov't laws are bad.

Federal Hipaa and Cobra laws have also been a godsend. I remember the days prior to 1997 when a person could not(scared to death)to leave their job if they had severe PE conditions because they would be subject to Pre-ex when they transferred jobs. That is no longer the case via Hipaa.

belmontconservative  posted on  2009-11-10   16:48:35 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#48. To: belmontconservative (#46)

I have been a health insurance agent for 25 years.

Imagine my shock.

...Fed rules eliminated this. Now a baby is automatically covered for Pre-ex conditions as long as they sign the baby up within 31 days of the birth. Not all gov't laws are bad. ...

... I remember the days prior to 1997 when a person could not(scared to death)to leave their job if they had severe PE conditions because they would be subject to Pre-ex when they transferred jobs. That is no longer the case via Hipaa.

B-b-b-b-b-but they increased your rates.

So, you favor increasing rates to increase someone else's coverage?

So, you do favor a command and control economy, at the expense of liberty, if it increases your personal financial safety?

Original_Intent  posted on  2009-11-10   16:56:17 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#49. To: Original_Intent (#48)

Why should a single guy, in his 50s have to pay for the hospital expenses involved in the birthing of someone elses kids.?

sizzlerguy  posted on  2009-11-10   16:59:55 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#50. To: sizzlerguy. all (#49)

Why should a single guy, in his 50s have to pay for the hospital expenses involved in the birthing of someone else's kids.?

The same reason a couple with no kids has to pay the unholy school district taxes?

All for the greater good, they tell us.

Lod  posted on  2009-11-10   17:11:26 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#52. To: Lod (#50)

All for the greater good,...

And I been reading about drug addicts getting treatment for drug addictions from Obubbacare too.

Why in the hell should straight folks have to subsidize a bunch of heroin and crackheads useless "quack" therapy.

sizzlerguy  posted on  2009-11-10   17:19:44 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#57. To: sizzlerguy. all who pay their own way here (#52)

Why in the hell should straight folks have to subsidize a bunch of heroin and crackheads useless "quack" therapy.

It's our nanny-state, welfare-warfare state in action.

Lod  posted on  2009-11-10   18:38:11 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


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