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Published: Nov 11, 2009
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Post Date: 2009-11-11 21:15:32 by christine
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A U.S. Air force paratrooper packs his parachute after his landing during 'Cope-India-09', a joint exercise between the Indian Air Force (IAF) and the U.S. Air Force in the northern Indian city of Agra, October 19, 2009. A six-day joint exercise begins here on Monday. REUTERS/Adnan Abidi (INDIA MILITARY POLITICS)
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#1. To: christine (#0)
What on earth would we be doing in India???
Goddamn O'boingo & his effing jews just can't Aren't paratroops offensive forces?
Pakistan It's all about Pakistan, and it's been on the drawing board for over 10 years....
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Offensive operations are their normal activity, rarely used as regular army.
Why would they be using paratroopers????
How is India involved?
Pakistan was once part of India, but what would be a common interest at this time?
The guy in the photo is not a regular "paratrooper". Look at his helmet, look at the cut of the parachute, where is his reserve chute? He's a freefaller with a square parachute. Probably some sort of SF or pathfinder
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Gotcha!!!
I noticed that. Just cant see why we would be doing training in India.
We are broke and Obumski is playing games of some sort in India???
If it is game playing, buckwheat is a master at it. Look how he's been playing McCrystal and the troops in Afghanistan.
India is out "ally" in the war against Muslim extremists. India (Hindu) and Pakistan(Muslims) hate each other and both have nukes. Pakistan is the only Muslim country with nukes and the NWO boys don't like that. Don't be surprised when we turn our sites on Pakistan if we "win" in Afghanistan. Bet on it
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Interesting to read a Paki take on the exercises recently concluded. It is frankly critical of the US as a partner and hints broadly at the aims these maneuvers a directed at. Pakistan Observer Thursday, November 12, 2009, Zhul-Q'ada 23, 1430 Yudh Abhyas, Indo-US joint exercise Exercise Yudh Abhyas 09 is finally over. Its closing ceremony was attended by Indian Army Director General Military Operations, Lieutenant General A.S. Sekhon and US Army Lieutenant General Benjamin R. Mixon. The exercise ended with a happy note, leading to signing of a number of security agreements between the two countries. In fact Yudh Abhyas exercises were mere partnership exercises between armies of India and US, which commenced from 2004. Yudh Abhyas 09, however, attained significance because of the prevailing situation in the neighbourhood including China, Pakistan, Afghanistan and Iran as well as certain expectations from the new partnership between India and US. It was multi-echelon brigade cum battalion-level exercise between the two countries. As expected, it was biggest ever exercise between the two countries in which Indian and US troops got a chance to learn more about each other. From Indian side 7th Mechanized Infantry Battalion, ex 94th Armored Brigade, ex 31st Armored Division participated, which beside other equipments, used armored vehicles including the Boyevaya Mashina Pekhoty (BMP), and the T-90, Main Battle Tank (MBT). On the other hand, the US Army troops from 2nd Squadron, ex 14th Cavalry Regiment, ex 2nd Stryker Brigade Combat Team, ex 25th Infantry Division were using Strykers and Javelin Anti-Tank Guided Missile (ATGM) system. This exercise focused on a multi-echelon combined operation in which in general new defined role of United Nations Peace Keeping Operation was practiced. The overall aim of the exercise was to conduct a joint Indo-US training for coordination in peacekeeping operations, humanitarian, disaster managements and relief operations under UN Mandate but the pro-active aggressive hostile scenario and the way use of live-fire was carried out which indicated that something else has been exercised. It seemed that the peacekeepers efforts were mere symbolic while whole concentration was made on active attacks and demonstration to sell military armaments to the Indians. The exercise failed to achieve its objectives and could not impress upon its audiences, mainly China, Iran and Pakistan. Overall the exercise was a success; however, there were some observations. If we compare the blue print of the exercise with on ground activities, there were some deviations and a lot of observations. Where the Indian and US troops got an opportunity to work in close cooperation and use each others military equipment, mistrust and miscoordination was noticed at various occasions. US troops make some objectionable remarks during a raid mission in which attempt was made to sneak through Indian security; they found Indian security level very low. Although both, the US Strykers Squadron and Indian mechanized battalion were under overall command of an Indian Brigade headquarters during the exercise but difficulty was faced due to language barrier as US troops were totally blank about Hindi while the Indian troops were not well conversant with English. However, still they managed to communicate some how. The US troops also got first hand opportunity to use Russian made BMPs but due to heavy armour loads on their bodies they could not fit in the vehicles. Where eight to ten Indian troops could easily fit in the back of the BMP, not more than five US troops could fit in the same vehicle. For the first time US command realized that there was problem with the load which average soldier carry during a mission. US soldier’s basic body armour alone weighing about 45 pounds, without firearms, ammunition, radio equipment, food, tools and other accessories. On the other hand Indian soldier was quite light and comfortable in carrying out his mission. India is celebrating its collaboration and cooperation with US and feels elevated in dreaming to become a regional superpower, bypassing countries like China and Australia. India has right to choose new partners and reject the old friends like erstwhile Soviet Union but one thing India should never forget that US betrayed Pakistan in the past despite agreements of SEATO and CENTO with Washington. Pakistan did not get any help from US during 1965, 1971 wars and Kargil skirmishes. Later, US stopped spares of various high-tech equipments and also stopped the spares of F-16 Fighter aircraft during escalation with its immediate neighbour in 2002. India would be living in fool’s paradise to expect a different treatment from US. India is being used as to counter the threat of growing Chinese influence and to neutralize Islamic growth in Pakistan, Afghanistan, Iran, Central Asian Republic, Middle East and Africa. India believes that by winning US to its side it would be able overpower Pakistan’s Army and blind Pakistan Air Force (PAF). At least this is what US told Indians during latest Indo-US joint air exercise codenamed ‘Cope India-09’. The on ground facts, however, are leading to an opposite direction. To quote an example the Indo-US deal for eight Boeing P-8I long-range Maritime Reconnaissance and Anti-SubmarineWarfare (LRMRASW) aircrafts has already been struck early this year but what India is not realizing at this moment is that during the hour of need these aircraft would not work at all and each time the smart transmitters would share all data with the Washington without out the knowledge of authorities at New Delhi. US has cleverly included the end user monitoring (EUM) clauses in all the agreements. This is not the case with mere recent deal but stands good for other Indo-US contracts signed during last few years. As an illustration Section 6.1 under Article 28 of the contract between the two Indian and US governments, the US will not be liable for any penalties in the event that any Malicious Code is detected in the software that governs the P- 8I’s sensors and systems. In other words all equipments are likely to be having hidden gadgets and encrypted software and incase of even detections there will be no penalties for US. One wonders that how India claims that to have edge over Pakistan, China and other adversaries. Even today it is not late; we should look for the partners within our region and preferably in our neighbourhood http://pakobserver.net/200911/12/Articles04.asp
randge... Excellent material. There is one small event that the author has forgotten or omitted. In the past when India has been invaded and or skirmished with China, the US was the ONLY country that came to their aid. If Pakistan slides into chaos or civil war, their nukes MUST be seized or neutralized. There are but two military forces capable of doing that in the region. The US and India.
A consumation devoutly to be wished by the Oberkommando at the Pentagon. This would be a beefy campaign and a real land war in place of the dingy brush war anti-insurgency crap they've been forced to deal with in Iraq and A'stan. I'm sure that this is a assignment that the officer class could really get its teeth into - one that would require general conscription and lots and lots of what an army is built for. At last a real war. Halleluja.
EXERCISE COPE INDIA 09 21-10-2009 MINISTRY OF DEFENCE PRESS RELEASE EXERCISE COPE INDIA 09 21 October 09 The exercise COPE INDIA 09 at Agra entered the third day today. Several exercises were conducted like Paradrop, Heavy drop of light vehicles, Assault landing, and Night Vision Goggles (NVG) operations. But the show stopper was the simulated transfer by air of critically ill patient. A simulated exercise was carried out by a dummy air warrior sustained multiple injuries over chest and head He was brought to RAMT, immediately he was attended by RAMT TEAM. His level of consciousness deteriorated and respiratory distress aggravated. It was decided to evacuate the patient by air to a tertiary care centre for further management. Critical Care Air Transport Team (CCAT) ALONG WITH Patient Transfer Unit (PTU). CCAT team took the patient on PTU and shifted to AN-32 aircraft and flight took off. With the help of various life support equipments and portable lab analyzer on PTU it was possible to simulate Intensive Care Unit (ICU) in air. Patient remained stable over a flight of one hour and safely handed over to team of tertiary care hospital. The other exercise included Para drop: Insertion of paratroopers by day and night following low level tactical routing in a simulated hostile scenario. The Special Forces of IAF Garuds and Special Operations Forces from SOFPAC (Sp. Op. Forces Pacific Air Command) participated in joint operation in simulated situation and were paradropped from An32, C130H, C130J, IL76 and C-17 aircraft. A total of 219 jumps were carried out by Indian Air Force and Special Operation Command till now. Jump masters from USAF and Para jump Instructors from IAF undertook despatching/ duties jointly from An32 and C130 aircraft. Despatching is basically assisting the paratroopers in exiting safely from the aircraft. The missions flown were extremely successful as all troopers were dropped on time, and mission objectives achieved. Heavy Drop: Platform drops from An32, IL76, C130, and C17 aircrafts were undertaken. These platforms mainly carry combat vehicles and command vehicle for use in battle area by the troops para-dropped. These heavy drops were executed as part of the simulated scenario planned for the exercise. Combat vehicles and command vehicles are basically light armoured vehicles to carry troops in battle area. As part of simulation, gypsies and dummy loads were dropped from An 32 and IL 76 aircraft. The An 32 dropped 3 tons of load and IL 76 dropped 7 tons. Night Vision Goggles (NVG) operations: NVG operations are carried by helicopters and transport aircrafts. As part of the transport aircraft, NVG; can be used for airborne assault and air landing operations in which paratroopers are dropped from the aircraft and troopers are off-loaded on landing. C130 and C17s of USAF demonstrated the landing capabilities of these aircrafts using NVG for landings at night with restricted lighting. A ground lecture was carried out on the capabilities of NVG prior to the flight demonstration. Assault Landing/Tactical Descent: Transport aircraft are required to operate from airfields all over the country and to foreign airfields in support of operations. Passive countermeasures involving reduction of aircraft Infrared (IR) signature, combined with tactics to remain out of the range of such missiles with in horizontal and vertical planes would enhance survivability at the aircraft in such special operations. Assault landing/tactical ascent is a tactical manoeuvre undertaken to protect aircraft from Man Portable Air Defence System (MANPADS) and small arm fire while landing at high risk airfield. This manoeuvre also can be translated into steep approach in hostile environment terminating into para-drops and heavy drops. Group Captain Amit Mahajan PRO- MOD Photo Om Prakash MOD RTI Act | Usage Policy | Related Sites | Site Map | Feedback & Queries | Contact Us | Site Credits | Newsletter | Downloads & Plug-ins -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- The Official Home Page of Indian Air Force Copyright© All rights reserved with Indian Air Force http://indianairforce.nic.in/show_pressrelease.php?pg_id=107&news_id=462
"...Insertion"... of paratroopers by day and night following low level tactical routing in a simulated hostile scenario. What does that word insertion tell you????
Normandie??
Insert...WITHIN... India is the only other country that would go into Pakistan with us, should the need arise. Way behind the lines, I would not care to go.
101st? "We're paratroopers. We're supposed to be surrounded."
U.S. Air Force in the northern Indian city of Agra, October 19, 2009.
#2. To: christine (#0)
spend waste the money fast enough, can they?
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#3. To: Cynicom (#1)
What on earth would we be doing in India???
#4. To: Cynicom (#1)
What on earth would we be doing in India???
#5. To: Phant2000 (#3)
Aren't paratroops offensive forces?
#6. To: Flintlock (#4)
It's all about Pakistan, and it's been on the drawing board for over 10 years
#7. To: Flintlock (#4)
It's all about Pakistan ...
#8. To: Phant2000 (#7)
How is India involved?
#9. To: Cynicom (#6)
Why would they be using paratroopers????
#10. To: Cynicom (#8)
Pakistan was once part of India ...
#11. To: Flintlock (#9)
Probably some sort of SF or pathfinder
#12. To: Phant2000 (#10)
Gotcha!!!
#13. To: Cynicom (#12)
... Obumski is playing games of some sort in India?
#14. To: Phant2000 (#7)
How is India involved?
#15. To: Cynicom (#8)
what would be a common interest at this time?
Afshain Afzal
#16. To: randge, Phant2000, Flintlock, Esso, Christine, All (#15)
India would be living in fool’s paradise to expect a different treatment from US. India is being used as to counter the threat of growing Chinese influence and to neutralize Islamic growth in Pakistan, Afghanistan, Iran, Central Asian Republic, Middle East and Africa.
#17. To: Cynicom (#16)
If Pakistan slides into chaos or civil war, their nukes MUST be seized or neutralized.
#18. To: Cynicom (#16)
#19. To: randge (#18)
(Edited)
Insertion of paratroopers by day and night following low level tactical routing in a simulated hostile scenario.
#20. To: Cynicom (#19)
#21. To: randge (#20)
#22. To: Cynicom (#21)
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