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Title: On Afghanistan, Obama Chooses "None of the Above"
Source: NBC Miami
URL Source: http://www.nbcmiami.com/news/politics/Afghan-Plan-XYZ-69835167.html
Published: Nov 12, 2009
Author: Robert A. George
Post Date: 2009-11-12 07:54:48 by Phant2000
Keywords: None
Views: 328
Comments: 34

President Obama chose General Stanley McChrystal to chart out a new Afghanistan policy eight months ago -- and we're still not there yet.

McChrystal's primary recommendation was for a "surge" of 40,000 more troops.

If that wasn't enough, The New York Times has outlined three primary strategies for troop increases said to be under consideration -- with McChrystal's plan being one of them.

Three of the options call for specific levels of additional troops. The low-end option would add 20,000 to 25,000 troops, a middle option calls for about 30,000, and another embraces Gen. Stanley A. McChrystal’s request for roughly 40,000 more troops. Administration officials said that a fourth option was added only in the past few days. They declined to identify any troop level attached to it.

Now the real story has leaked out. President Obama is reportedly rejecting all three options presented to him by his foreign policy and national security team. Instead, he wants an approach that takes more into account the entrenched corruption that has oozed out of the Karzai government and now permeates most of Afghanistan.

A few weeks ago, former Vice President Dick Cheney accused Obama of "dithering" over Afghanistan. If Obama thought he had a problem then, he's really risking a public relations nightmare this time -- one that won't be confined just to conservative critics.

The three-option plan reflected the viewpoints of not just McChrystal. It also reflected the opinions of administration heavy-hitters like Secretary of State Hillary Clinton and Secretary of Defense Robert Gates.

In addition to "dithering," Obama now runs the risk of appearing not to take seriously the counsel of any of his advisers -- on a policy that has life-and-death ramifications.

Yes, caution has its place -- especially when the subject is Afghanistan. Obama is also right not to accept the status quo of a corrupt Hamid Karzai-run government. But tossing aside the hard work of the best and brightest in his administration is bad politics and bad -- or at least random, amorphous -- policy. Karzai's corruption problem has been known for months. That he would probably end up winning the election and remaining in power was also pretty much a sure bet.

So, there's hardly anything that we know now that wasn't perceived eight months ago. Why didn't the president articulate exactly what he was looking for then -- rather than have his advisers put forth three complex plans that did little to address his concerns?

Afghanistan has a well-deserved reputation as the "graveyard of empires." It may yet also pick up a new name -- Creator of "Obama the Hapless" as plans A,B, and C fall by the wayside.

Exactly, how far through the alphabet will the White House go before a decision is made on what to do with Afghanistan?

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US envoy warns against troop surge in Afghanistan

Proposals to increase the number of American troops in Afghanistan have been questioned by the US ambassador to Kabul. Photograph: Rafiq Maqbool/AP

The US ambassador in Kabul has warned against plans to send tens of thousands more troops to Afghanistan, until President Hamid Karzai's government demonstrates that it is willing to tackle the corruption.

Karl Eikenberry sent two classified cables to Washington in the past week expressing his concern over proposals to deploy as many as 40,000 extra troops while the Karzai government remains dogged by accusations of incompetence and corruption, according to reports from Washington.

The existence of the memos was revealed as Barack Obama held a war council at the White House to discuss the final four options for deployment of extra US troops in an effort to stave off defeat at the hands of the Taliban.

Eikenberry is a former US commander in Afghanistan and his caution over a further troop build-up puts him at odd with senior generals in the Pentagon.

The BBC said today that it had been told Eikenberry had gone so far as to say it was "not a good idea" to send more troops.

www.guardian.co.uk/world/...nvoy-objects-afghan-surge

Troop surge opposed, poll finds

WASHINGTON — Most Americans oppose sending more troops to Afghanistan, as President Obama nears a decision on whether to ramp up engagement in the eight-year war, a poll suggested Wednesday.

The CNN/Opinion Research Corporation survey said 56 percent of respondents were against deploying more boots on the ground, while 42 percent support sending a larger troop contingent.

Overall, 40 percent of those surveyed expressed support for the conflict, with 58 percent opposed.

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bush_is_a_moonie  posted on  2009-11-12   8:27:37 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#12. To: bush_is_a_moonie (#2) (Edited)

Eikenberry had gone so far as to say it was "not a good idea" to send more troops.

"had gone so far as to say"....Ha!...that's really living life on the edge...I can see that it takes a real special kind of timid, a*s kissing, dumbkoff to be a diplomat.

scrapper2  posted on  2009-11-12   9:22:41 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#16. To: scrapper2 (#12)

I can see that it takes a real special kind of timid, a*s kissing, dumbkoff to be a diplomat.

Scrapper: During the campaign, wasn't it buckwheat who stated diplomacy and negotiation could be the best answer to solving problems? Perhaps he should reconsider that statement and do something different.

Phant2000  posted on  2009-11-12   9:28:49 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#24. To: Phant2000 (#16) (Edited)

scrapper: I can see that it takes a real special kind of timid, a*s kissing, dumbkoff to be a diplomat.

Phant2000: During the campaign, wasn't it buckwheat who stated diplomacy and negotiation could be the best answer to solving problems? Perhaps he should reconsider that statement and do something different.

Perhaps I didn't express myself well previously.

Generally speaking, I believe that diplomacy and negotiation would be a much more effective foreign policy approach for America to pursue than the bellicose, America is the Uber Policeman of the World, pre-emptive war strategy we have followed in the past.

But if America is going to rely more on diplomacy and negotiation, then the President needs to have capable diplomats in the field who are deserving of the position, who are not afraid to tell the President the truth, not some timid insecure desk jockeys who got promoted within the State Dept because they warmed the desk chair the longest. Also the US Ambassador appointees should have smarts and merit the position, not just be some rich guys/women who don't have a clue about world politics but wanted a prestigious glamorous "foreign-posting" position because they donated a ton of $ to the President's election campaign.

Who knows - it's possible that Ambassador Eikenberry's remarks were stronger behind closed doors to Obumski than what is quoted by the media. And I just looked him up on wiki now, and it does seem like he's got the experience and training and education to merit the appointment of Ambassador - certainly more so than other appointees I've read about under this Admin as well as under previous Admins.

Perhaps I was prematurely judgmental about Eikenberry, specifically, when I reacted to the milque toast comment attributed to him by The Guardian reporter.

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#25. To: scrapper2 (#24)

Who knows - it's possible that Ambassador Eikenberry's remarks were stronger behind closed doors to Obumski than what is quoted by the media.

I suspect they were much stronger.

Now as you read, we are conducting paratroop exercises with India on the other side of Pakistan, one has to wonder if Obumski really knows what is going on.

Deeper and deeper and the man cannot call a halt to this insanity.

Cynicom  posted on  2009-11-12   10:07:59 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#26. To: Cynicom (#25)

I think O believes that Pakistan is the lifeblood to Afghanistan, so if he can ally US with India, Pakistan will police itself. The danger is both nations have nukes and who is to say Pakistan will fold under the threat of a US-India relationship, given the hatred that exists between both nations? Again, we're injecting ourselves between two enemies with the no end game in sight, except for the rights to the natural wealth of Afghanistan. Such is the nature of empires.

Jethro Tull  posted on  2009-11-12   10:16:22 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#27. To: Jethro Tull (#26)

Again, we're injecting ourselves between two enemies with the no end game in sight, except for the rights to the natural wealth of Afghanistan. Such is the nature of empires.

If Pakistan falls into chaos the racew will be on to see who gets to their nukes first. It is going to be very dangerous and the ONLY partner we would have in such an affair is India.

Expanding, expanding, deeper and deeper.

Cynicom  posted on  2009-11-12   10:20:12 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#28. To: Cynicom (#27)

It is going to be very dangerous and the ONLY partner we would have in such an affair is India.

So this explains the joint exercise and O's reluctance to add more troops into Afghanistan.

Jethro Tull  posted on  2009-11-12   10:29:29 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


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#29. To: Jethro Tull (#28)

So this explains the joint exercise and O's reluctance to add more troops into Afghanistan.

If you look at the India exercise, you will see most are paratroopers etc. of whom are OFFENSIVE soldiers.

If Paki goes in the tank, we and India need to get control of the nukes damned fast. Right or wrong has nothing to do with it, it will be a matter of stopping nukes from being used.

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