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Title: Confessions of an ObamaCare Backer: A liberal explains the political calculus [ must read!]
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URL Source: http://online.wsj.com/article/SB100 ... tml?mod=rss_com_mostcommentart
Published: Nov 10, 2009
Author: WSJ
Post Date: 2009-11-13 04:38:55 by scrapper2
Keywords: Obama lackey spills beans, redistribution of income, new entitlement, Party of Gov
Views: 330
Comments: 30
The typical argument for ObamaCare is that it will offer better medical care for everyone and cost less to do it, but occasionally a supporter lets the mask slip and reveals the real political motivation. So let's give credit to John Cassidy, part of the left-wing stable at the New Yorker, who wrote last week on its Web site that "it's important to be clear about what the reform amounts to." Mr. Cassidy is more honest than the politicians whose dishonesty he supports. "The U.S. government is making a costly and open-ended commitment," he writes. "Let's not pretend that it isn't a big deal, or that it will be self-financing, or that it will work out exactly as planned. It won't. What is really unfolding, I suspect, is the scenario that many conservatives feared. The Obama Administration . . . is creating a new entitlement program, which, once established, will be virtually impossible to rescind." Why are they doing it? Because, according to Mr. Cassidy, ObamaCare serves the twin goals of "making the United States a more equitable country" and furthering the Democrats' "political calculus." In other words, the purpose is to further redistribute income by putting health care further under government control, and in the process making the middle class more dependent on government. As the party of government, Democrats will benefit over the long run. This explains why Nancy Pelosi is willing to risk the seats of so many Blue Dog Democrats by forcing such an unpopular bill through Congress on a narrow, partisan vote: You have to break a few eggs to make a permanent welfare state. As Mr. Cassidy concludes, "Putting on my amateur historian's cap, I might even claim that some subterfuge is historically necessary to get great reforms enacted." No wonder many Americans are upset. They know they are being lied to about ObamaCare, and they know they are going to be stuck with the bill.
Poster Comment: ""The U.S. government is making a costly and open-ended commitment," he writes. "Let's not pretend that it isn't a big deal, or that it will be self-financing, or that it will work out exactly as planned. It won't. What is really unfolding, I suspect, is the scenario that many conservatives feared. The Obama Administration . . . is creating a new entitlement program, which, once established, will be virtually impossible to rescind." From the mouths of babes...
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#1. To: TommyThe Mad Artist, christine, Jethro Tull, randge, Cynicom, Original_Intent, sizzlerguy, abraxas, Prefrontal_Vortex, X-15, TwentyTwelve, PaulCJ, Esso, Lod (#0)
This article will confirm your worst fears about Obamacare. It's like listening to a tape of Stalin, Lenin, Marx talking. This evil legislation needs to go the way of the dodo bird.
Cassidy is dead on. In an odd connection, when I look at the JFK assassination, the agenda that benefited most from his death was the civil rights movement & the illegal immigration movement both of which have become a permanent D voting block. This slop being fed to Americans will have short term pain (LBJ quit & Nixon was selected) for long term gain; look at the America that was the mid 60s and compare it to today. This is the Fabian socialist model of government in our faces.
Well duh.
Col. Wilma Dearing: That's a rather insulting way to begin an alliance based on good faith. Absolutely. Cassidy is a joy-nalist for the ever-so progressive New Yorker. Cassidy is one of the elites, the forward-looking Utopians, and what's more he's proud of it so he's not a bit apologetic about the Dems' hidden agenda, "greater goals" for the "Greater Good." Did you guys read some of the feedback? There are currently 311 comments. Some Utopians [ eg. people called Thomas Elmo and Marcia Crowley] tried to pass off their schtick as per the predictable "well, every other country in the world has "free" healthcare; we're the freak; we're the exception" ; "only rightie Americans hate universal healthcare because they hate America" etc etc and they got blown away in no uncertain terms. It makes me proud to be an American when I see that lotsa people still have critical thinking skills and can identify "free" and "universal" bullshit for what it is - ie. higher taxes, queues, rationed medicine,government control, loss of free choice and privacy, bureaucratic bloat and inefficiency and most importantly REDISTRIBUTION OF WEALTH! Here's some of the comments from the readers: a. Thomas Elmo says: "Every other developed country in the world has a form of universal health care. We are the freaks on this issue.This is not some new fangled idea nor is it a power grab. Civilized people in the world feel that health care is a service that their governments should provide for people without regard to how much money they make or what kind of company they work for.It is simply the right thing to do - just like ensuring that everyone can get a basic education. Enough with this Neanderthal posturing." b. Marcia Crowley says: "Righties just don't like people." c. Paul Frawley says: "You are so off in the deep end, its not even funny any more. You basically advocating for wealth redistribution because the current system is "unfair" to some did you ever read Animal Farm? "Fairness" is an humanly impossible goal to obtain, the system you are advocating for is inherently unfair to the majority of working American who are taking on personal responsibility. Do you even understand that there is no such thing as a free lunch? Because this is going to cost us big and when I say big I am talking about a scope you can not even imagine, we are quite literally risking the America we know." d.Irini Fountoulaki says: "Come to Greece and see public heath care in action! See the waiting lines, doctors with less than five minutes for a patient, weeks for simple examinations and the conditions at public hospitals. This miserable system costs plenty and Greece has enormous problems to maintain the entitlement, presently six months in arrears on hospital supplier payments. Public debt will rise to 120% GDP next year. Small wonder private health care is a growth industry in Greece, with thriving private clinics, diagnostic centers and insurance options, where - unlike Obamacare - the market is open and competitive." e. Denise Pace says: "Yes, the American system has been unique and hence, brings people from all over the world to get the highest quality care. Even Canada is watching its "universal health care" collapse all around them as they open more and more private clinics (and pass laws, as in the case in Quebec where they are finding it illegal to NOT be able to care for their people - it's THAT bad). Universal health care does not work. It's bloated and inefficient. Americans could easily come up with a solution to cover the handful of people who are truly uninsured in the country. There is absolutely no reason to follow countries which show that universal care does not work, again and again. Just because everybody's doing it, doesn't mean it's right. What a lame argument. The motto in Canada: Universal Health Care is Great, Until You Get Sick. This is the truth." f. Michael Loughran says: "Every where there has been socialized medicine it has failed. Even here in the US. Has it worked in Oregon (NO), what about Mass. (NO), oh yeah it did in Maine (NOT), Medicare has worked well it's only $37 Trillion in the RED. Canada is moving to a private system and they are also starting to do this in England also. It is simply the wrong thing to do because we know that it doesnt work!" g. jeanne babin says: "First, every man, woman and child in this country gets health "care" already. So spare us your high horse. Second, while all those other countries were building up their socialized health care schemes, they were relying on U.S. citizens to provide and pay for their national security. They all abandoned their militaries and left the heavy lifting to us (and then promptly called us warmongers). Third, if it's not a power grab, why are they imposing ever-higher costs on those of us who DO have health insurance? Why not a plan to deal with those who don't have it? On this point, let me ask you something: I am far from wealth, make less than $40k per year. But I pay for my own health insurance. Pretty good policy, too. I've been paying my own way for about 9 years. Now, in the goodness of your heart, you think everyone should get the same thing. What if they didn't make the sacrifices I made? Or made bad choices in life. Why do you feel so smug in insisting that person "deserves" the same thing I sacrifice to provide for myself? Fourth: There are many right things to do, just as there are many ways to do them. In this case, they plan to spend trillions of dollars and that doesn't even include the amount taxpayers and policy holders will pay. Given all the new requirements on my insurer, I would be worried about rate increases....except they made it so I will NOT be able to keep my policy. I will be forced into a "qualified" or government plan because my policy will no longer be offered. Fifth: Do you worry at all about the cost? Or do you think we should just do the "right thing" every time and let later generations worry about the cost. Anyone with a brain knows Congress isn't going to cut Medicare by hundreds of billions. Here's the sure path this will follow: Add tens of millions to the roles, then watch lines back up at medical facilities and doc's offices. Saddle insurers with onerous requirements, then call them villains when they raise premiums to cover the new risks. Eventually, you will have made private insurance so expensive that the gov't will have "no choice" but to take the whole thing over. You preen and strut, so high minded and ready to do the "right thing". You're "civilized", which I presume means anyone who disagrees with you is "Uncivilized". But your use of terms like "freaks" and "Neanderthal" give you away. You're nothing more than a bitter partisan, happy to see your party lie in order to achieve their agenda."
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Cassidy is dead on. In an odd connection, when I look at the JFK assassination, the agenda that benefited most from his death was the civil rights movement & the illegal immigration movement both of which have become a permanent D voting block. This slop being fed to Americans will have short term pain (LBJ quit & Nixon was selected) for long term gain; look at the America that was the mid 60s and compare it to today. This is the Fabian socialist model of government in our faces. What I find hilarious, in a sick way, is that JFK's assassination and the "Great Society" that followed it was the second worst thing to every happen to blacks in America. The "Great Society" destroyed black aspirations toward equality by making a large segment of the black population serfs to the Government Welfare Check. By penalizing black families, by withholding the money, it destroyed the black family and resulted in skyrocketing rates of poverty, illegitimacy, dependency, and hopelessness. The kindest thing anyone could do for them is to cut off the welfare checks.
"An education isn't how much you have committed to memory, or even how much you know. It's being able to differentiate between what you know and what you don't. ~ Anatole France
Occasionally the New Yorker carries an article close to the quality of its cartoons. Perhaps Mr. Cassidy will provide us a similar article on the global climate change fiasco and its benefits to the Dims and its punishment of the middle class.
"WE HAVE MET THE ENEMY AND HE IS US" ..... Pogo Possum
Typical Most likely disinformation shills - hired guns to promote the "Party Lyin'". This Hellthcare plan is not about the wellbeing of the people but is simply another means for the ONE PARTY State to achieve ever tighter control of "the masses". It is a control freak's wet dream.
"An education isn't how much you have committed to memory, or even how much you know. It's being able to differentiate between what you know and what you don't. ~ Anatole France
Do the libs not recognize the distinction between equity and egalitarianism? Or is this just more leftist deceit? Never mind.
"WE HAVE MET THE ENEMY AND HE IS US" ..... Pogo Possum
And the other wetdream goal is more redistribution of wealth so we all are equal and equitable...
My theory is that all libs, at some point in their lives, wake up after a wet dream and think they are in late 16th century France. The younger libs can be excused for their error.
"WE HAVE MET THE ENEMY AND HE IS US" ..... Pogo Possum
Excellent point, should be re-posted regularly, but I would replace "hilarious" with tragic (for all of America). BTW, just curious, what's the first worst thing?
"WE HAVE MET THE ENEMY AND HE IS US" ..... Pogo Possum
Yea, like we really need another "entitlement" program subsidized by the middle class designed to support all the deadbeats, dope addicts, unwed mothers, welfare skum, and illegal aliens.
They're feeling really good about it. When the dyed in the wool believers start intentionally taking down their masks it shows their arrogance and feeling of power. Let the fireworks begin !!!!
The Greater Good Movement needs a few thousand stakes driven through it's heart...
Absolutely. I found John Cassidy's arrogance, his lack of fear about revealing the Dems' hidden agenda, the true goals quite disturbing. Cassidy drops the veil and quite unapologetically states: ""The U.S. government is making a costly and open-ended commitment," he writes. "Let's not pretend that it isn't a big deal, or that it will be self-financing, or that it will work out exactly as planned. It won't. What is really unfolding, I suspect, is the scenario that many conservatives feared. The Obama Administration . . . is creating a new entitlement program, which, once established, will be virtually impossible to rescind."
the repubican wing of the National Globalist Party had EVERY (em-PHA-sis on EVERY) opportunity in the world to put America back on track and take it off brain dead life support...but we all know a Poppy is a Willie is a Jorge is a Obamalamadingdong, et al. Game over unless the machine tilts...
One might think I would say slavery, but as foul as slavery was those who survived were able to pass on to their children a better life than had they remained in Africa. No, the worst was the destruction of the Black Middle Class in the early part of the 20th Century. Thanks to the likes of Booker T. Washington and others Blacks, following the Civil War, began a rather rapid climb from peonage to prosperity. A culture encouraging education and entrepreneurship sprang up and with it prosperous black communities who traded with each other much as Italians did in the Northeast. Kansas City in particular was a hotbed of black upward mobility. In the early part of the twentieth century a rising black business class was alive and thriving in the Mid-West and elsewhere. While I have not studied it closely enough to name names I suspect they were brought down by the same forces that gave us the Feral Reserve and the Income Tax. Blacks were rapidly becoming an economic force which would have brought about Civil Rights through Economic Might long long before the 60's had they not been brought down. A little bit of history most people are unaware of because it is not taught in our skools.
"An education isn't how much you have committed to memory, or even how much you know. It's being able to differentiate between what you know and what you don't. ~ Anatole France
I tend to favor a thousand cuts. Although the traditionalist in me does eye hempen "swings" with an atavistic fondness.
"An education isn't how much you have committed to memory, or even how much you know. It's being able to differentiate between what you know and what you don't. ~ Anatole France
Absolutely. I found John Cassidy's arrogance, his lack of fear about revealing the Dems' hidden agenda, the true goals quite disturbing. Cassidy drops the veil and quite unapologetically states: ""The U.S. government is making a costly and open-ended commitment," he writes. "Let's not pretend that it isn't a big deal, or that it will be self-financing, or that it will work out exactly as planned. It won't. What is really unfolding, I suspect, is the scenario that many conservatives feared. The Obama Administration . . . is creating a new entitlement program, which, once established, will be virtually impossible to rescind." Might be testing the waters to gauge reaction to the open speaking of that which we already knew. They are constantly running their PsyOps and trying to see just how far they push things without a gasket blowing.
"An education isn't how much you have committed to memory, or even how much you know. It's being able to differentiate between what you know and what you don't. ~ Anatole France
Did you see the speech he gave down in Texas at the memorial. He called us a North American community. Huh? We aren't a country or nation any more.
Did you see the speech he gave down in Texas at the memorial. He called us a North American community. Huh? We aren't a country or nation any more. I missed that, although not surprised. Makes me think of the "European Community" which is how the European Common Market was first rolled out.
"An education isn't how much you have committed to memory, or even how much you know. It's being able to differentiate between what you know and what you don't. ~ Anatole France
The American Trotskyites - the Usual Suspects - the Utopians - were movers and shakers in the Civil Rights movement. Ditto for labor unions, radical feminism and gayism. Interesting, yes? www.myjewishlearning.com/...ck-Jewish_Relations.shtml "Civil Rights and Wrongs: A brief look at Black-Jewish relations in America, the 1960's to the 1980's" By Edward S. Shapiro Some cut and paste: ...Jews [were] an important presence in the civil rights movement. About half of the white civil rights attorneys in the South in the 1960s were Jews. More than half of the white freedom riders in the 1960s were Jews, and nearly two thirds of the white volunteers involved in Freedom Summer in Mississippi in 1964 were Jews. Two of them --Andrew Goodman and Michael Schwerner--were murdered. Jews also provided much of the funds for the National Association for the Advancement of Colored People, the Congress of Racial Equality, and other civil rights organizations...
Making sure they didn't do too well? Or maybe to seed communism into the movement?
"An education isn't how much you have committed to memory, or even how much you know. It's being able to differentiate between what you know and what you don't. ~ Anatole France
President Obama at Fort Hood: Greatness Before Our Very Eyes Watch at about 16:30.
Thanks.
"An education isn't how much you have committed to memory, or even how much you know. It's being able to differentiate between what you know and what you don't. ~ Anatole France
a. ensuring failure? - it can't hurt...after all, only one group can be truly special b. seeding communism? - The Prize, the End Goal, it's for their Greater Good, no?
For your information, his exact wording was 'great American community'.
Nice - "the great American community" - uh huh...as one might expect from the yap of a Marxist WH pretender, whose experience for the job amounted to Affirmative Action appointed Law professor and community organizer - BRILLIANT! we hit the jackpot with Obumski - I'm wondering if the phrase "the great American community" is an Affirmative Action facsimile for "America the Beautiful?" I love seeing all the soldiers salute the flag whereas their Commander in Chief Obumski stands with his arms down, thinking about what the menu for dinner has to offer. What a jerk. And Obumski is not just any jerk. He's our jerk. Kumbyeja! Does it get any better than this? Postscript: I saw a photo of our fashion forward First Lady commemorating Veterans Day dressed like a hooker in a neon bright turquoise blue outfit with a black belt hiked up around her boobs. Other diplomats' wives were dressed in the usual traditional and respectful black. Hey, what else is there to say but we've got change...in spades. Long live Emperor Obumski and what's her face!
I think it has more to do with the NAU. We are an "American community" within the North American Union.
#2. To: scrapper2 (#1)
Why are they doing it? Because, according to Mr. Cassidy, ObamaCare serves the twin goals of "making the United States a more equitable country" and furthering the Democrats' "political calculus." In other words, the purpose is to further redistribute income by putting health care further under government control, and in the process making the middle class more dependent on government. As the party of government, Democrats will benefit over the long run
#3. To: scrapper2 (#0)
Buck Rogers: 'Good faith' is for bureaucrats.
#4. To: Jethro Tull, Prefrontal_Vortex, sizzlerguy, Original_Intent, abraxas, randge, All (#2)
Cassidy is dead on.
#5. To: scrapper2, *libertarians* (#0)
#6. To: Jethro Tull, Scrapper2, chiristine, TwentyTwelve, Wuddidiz, all (#2)
Why are they doing it? Because, according to Mr. Cassidy, ObamaCare serves the twin goals of "making the United States a more equitable country" and furthering the Democrats' "political calculus." In other words, the purpose is to further redistribute income by putting health care further under government control, and in the process making the middle class more dependent on government. As the party of government, Democrats will benefit over the long run
#7. To: scrapper2 (#0)
let's give credit to John Cassidy, part of the left-wing stable at the New Yorker,
#8. To: scrapper2, all (#4)
Absolutely. Cassidy is a joy-nalist for the ever-so progressive New Yorker. Cassidy is one of the elites, the forward-looking Utopians, and what's more he's proud of it so he's not a bit apologetic about the Dems' hidden agenda, "greater goals" for the "Greater Good."
utopian Marxist/Dystopian self justification. "It is alright to murder 11 million Kulaks because it is for the greater good." Individuals, their lives, and aspirations for liberty, are meaningless. To these types humanity is always viewed as "the masses" not as individual human beings worthy of dignity and respect. In their so-called "eagalitarian" society - all are equal and all are meaningless. Only the "Collective" matters. They may not have the implants but they have the borg mentality down pat - Including the evil "Queen(s)" of the Hive. Did you guys read some of the feedback? There are currently 311 comments. Some Utopians [ eg. people called Thomas Elmo and Marcia Crowley] tried to pass off their schtick as per the predictable "well, every other country in the world has "free" healthcare; we're the freak; we're the exception" ; "only rightie Americans hate universal healthcare because they hate America" etc etc and they got blown away in no uncertain terms....
#9. To: Jethro Tull, scrapper2 (#2)
according to Mr. Cassidy, ObamaCare serves the twin goals of "making the United States a more according to Mr. Cassidy, ObamaCare serves the twin goals of "making the United States a more equitable country" country"
#10. To: Original_Intent, iconoclast (#8)
This Hellthcare plan is not about the wellbeing of the people but is simply another means for the ONE PARTY State to achieve ever tighter control of "the masses". It is a control freak's wet dream.
#11. To: scrapper2 (#10)
And the other wetdream goal is more redistribution of wealth so we all are equal and equitable...
#12. To: Original_Intent (#6)
What I find hilarious, in a sick way, is that JFK's assassination and the "Great Society" that followed it was the second worst thing to every happen to blacks in America. The "Great Society" destroyed black aspirations toward equality by making a large segment of the black population serfs to the Government Welfare Check. By penalizing black families, by withholding the money, it destroyed the black family and resulted in skyrocketing rates of poverty, illegitimacy, dependency, and hopelessness.What I find hilarious, in a sick way, is that JFK's assassination and the "Great Society" that followed it was the second worst thing to every happen to blacks in America. The "Great Society" destroyed black aspirations toward equality by making a large segment of the black population serfs to the Government Welfare Check. By penalizing black families, by withholding the money, it destroyed the black family and resulted in skyrocketing rates of poverty, illegitimacy, dependency, and hopelessness.
#13. To: scrapper2 (#0)
#14. To: scrapper2 (#0)
"If you love wealth more than liberty, the tranquility of servitude better than the animating contest of freedom, depart from us in peace. We ask not your counsel nor your arms. Crouch down and lick the hand that feeds you. May your chains rest lightly upon you and may posterity forget that you were our countrymen.”—Samuel Adams 
#15. To: Original_Intent (#8)
"If you love wealth more than liberty, the tranquility of servitude better than the animating contest of freedom, depart from us in peace. We ask not your counsel nor your arms. Crouch down and lick the hand that feeds you. May your chains rest lightly upon you and may posterity forget that you were our countrymen.”—Samuel Adams
#16. To: Rotara (#14)
When the dyed in the wool believers start intentionally taking down their masks it shows their arrogance and feeling of power.
#17. To: scrapper2 (#16)
Absolutely. I found John Cassidy's arrogance, his lack of fear about revealing the Dems' hidden agenda, the true goals quite disturbing.
"If you love wealth more than liberty, the tranquility of servitude better than the animating contest of freedom, depart from us in peace. We ask not your counsel nor your arms. Crouch down and lick the hand that feeds you. May your chains rest lightly upon you and may posterity forget that you were our countrymen.”—Samuel Adams
#18. To: iconoclast (#12)
BTW, just curious, what's the first worst thing?
#19. To: Rotara (#15)
The Greater Good Movement needs a few thousand stakes driven through it's heart...
#20. To: scrapper2, Rotara (#16)
When the dyed in the wool believers start intentionally taking down their masks it shows their arrogance and feeling of power.
#21. To: Original_Intent, crapper2, Rotara (#20)
They are constantly running their PsyOps and trying to see just how far they push things without a gasket blowing.
"Greenhouse gases do not act as a blanket around the earth and they do not keep the atmosphere warm. ... greenhouse gases emit more radiation than they absorb and this ongoing radiation loss tends to cool the atmosphere at between 1C and 2C per day, a fact known for more than 50 years. And yet we continue to get the simplistic explanation that greenhouse gases warm the atmosphere and so more greenhouse gases will warm the atmosphere more. No wonder the public is taken in!" --William Kininmonth, meteorologist , 1791
#22. To: farmfriend (#21)
They are constantly running their PsyOps and trying to see just how far they push things without a gasket blowing.
#23. To: Original_Intent (#18)
(Edited)
#24. To: scrapper2 (#23)
The American Trotskyites - the Usual Suspects - the Utopians - were movers and shakers in the Civil Rights movement. Ditto for labor unions, radical feminism and gayism. Interesting, yes?
#25. To: Original_Intent (#22)
"Greenhouse gases do not act as a blanket around the earth and they do not keep the atmosphere warm. ... greenhouse gases emit more radiation than they absorb and this ongoing radiation loss tends to cool the atmosphere at between 1C and 2C per day, a fact known for more than 50 years. And yet we continue to get the simplistic explanation that greenhouse gases warm the atmosphere and so more greenhouse gases will warm the atmosphere more. No wonder the public is taken in!" --William Kininmonth, meteorologist , 1791
#26. To: farmfriend (#25)
#27. To: Original_Intent (#24)
Making sure they didn't do too well? Or maybe to seed communism into the movement?
#28. To: farmfriend, Original_Intent (#25)
President Obama at Fort Hood: Greatness Before Our Very Eyes Watch at about 16:30.
"The trouble with people is not that they don't know but that they know so much that ain't so." ~ Josh Billings
#29. To: wudidiz, farmfriend, Original_Intent (#28)
(Edited)
For your information, his exact wording was 'great American community'.
#30. To: scrapper2, wudidiz, Original_Intent (#29)
I'm wondering if the phrase "the great American community" is an Affirmative Action facsimile for "America the Beautiful?"
"Greenhouse gases do not act as a blanket around the earth and they do not keep the atmosphere warm. ... greenhouse gases emit more radiation than they absorb and this ongoing radiation loss tends to cool the atmosphere at between 1C and 2C per day, a fact known for more than 50 years. And yet we continue to get the simplistic explanation that greenhouse gases warm the atmosphere and so more greenhouse gases will warm the atmosphere more. No wonder the public is taken in!" --William Kininmonth, meteorologist , 1791
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