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Title: Hoffman 'unconcedes' in N.Y.-23 House race
Source: [None]
URL Source: http://thehill.com/blogs/blog-brief ... 97-hoffman-unconcedes-in-ny-23
Published: Nov 16, 2009
Author: Jordan Fabian
Post Date: 2009-11-16 20:51:31 by IDon'tThinkSo
Keywords: None
Views: 353
Comments: 18

Hoffman 'unconcedes' in N.Y.-23 House race

Conservative Party candidate Doug Hoffman has "unconceded" in New York's special House election after reports that the vote margin between him and Rep. Bill Owens (D) has narrowed.

Hoffman conceded the race on Election Night after learning he trailed Owens by 5,335 votes. But the Syracuse Post-Standard reported last week that the margin had shrunk to 3,026 votes after recanvassing.

Hoffman appeared on conservative commenatator Glenn Beck's radio show this afternoon. Beck asked the him if he would "unconcede."

"Yes, if I knew this information at the election night, I would not have conceded," Hoffman said. Beck asked him again if he was "uncondeding" and Hoffman replied "If that’s possible, yes."

Officials in the upstate New York district are still counting over 10,000 absentee ballots, which also had Republican nominee Dede Scozzafava's name on them. Scozzafava dropped out of the race three days before election day citing poor fundraising and polling returns. She then backed Owens.

Owens was sworn into Congress on Nov. 6, just before Democrats voted on the healthcare reform bill on Saturday. Should Hoffman come away with more votes, a highly unlikely possibility, Owens would have to be removed from office, according to the House Clerk.

Hoffman would have to take over 65 percent of the absentee ballots in order to eclipse Owens. In the interview, Hoffman admitted his victory would be a "long shot."

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#1. To: IDon'tThinkSo (#0)

"Yes, if I knew this information at the election night, I would not have conceded,"

Amazing this day and age and totals cannot be done accurately.

Cynicom  posted on  2009-11-16   20:55:29 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#2. To: IDon'tThinkSo (#0)

"Yes, if I knew this information at the election night, I would not have conceded," Hoffman said.

That's what I would've said too.

Fred Mertz  posted on  2009-11-16   20:59:41 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#3. To: Fred Mertz (#2)

"Yes, if I knew this information at the election night, I would not have conceded," Hoffman said.

That's what I would've said too.

I would have said "I'll wait until all the absentee ballots have been counted".

"I breathed in an autumn bouquet that combined everything small-town America with rugged splashes of the Last Frontier."

IDon'tThinkSo  posted on  2009-11-16   21:14:26 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#4. To: Cynicom (#1)

"Yes, if I knew this information at the election night, I would not have conceded,"

Amazing this day and age and totals cannot be done accurately.

Well it takes awhile to make the count come out right.

"An education isn't how much you have committed to memory, or even how much you know. It's being able to differentiate between what you know and what you don't. ~ Anatole France

Original_Intent  posted on  2009-11-16   21:18:45 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#5. To: Original_Intent (#4)

Well it takes awhile to make the count come out right.

Uhhhh, little caustic sarcasm there, true but caustic.

Cynicom  posted on  2009-11-16   21:22:41 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#6. To: IDon'tThinkSo (#0)

A few things...a concession means nothing legally even though in Ohio 2004 they used Kerry's concession to stop counting the votes despite the fact that an official contestation was filed by a couple of candidates meaning that a recount was legally required to be held.

Secondly, the GOP runs everything up there and the canard that they made mistakes is absolute horseshit. They were trying to do this under the radar until they were outed by their own overzealous mouthbreathers in the media.

Thirdly, should Hoffman somehow get weasled into the lead up there, the case will be in the courts until next year's mid-terms.

--I Brake For The Invisible

war  posted on  2009-11-16   21:24:52 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#7. To: war (#6)

What in the heck is going up there in upstate NY? I used to live there.

I guess it's better than covering the wars that we are losing overseas.

Fred Mertz  posted on  2009-11-16   21:28:52 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#8. To: Cynicom (#5)

Uhhhh, little caustic sarcasm there, true but caustic.

Thank You. I resemble that remark. ;-)

"An education isn't how much you have committed to memory, or even how much you know. It's being able to differentiate between what you know and what you don't. ~ Anatole France

Original_Intent  posted on  2009-11-16   21:35:23 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#9. To: Fred Mertz (#7) (Edited)

What in the heck is going up there in upstate NY? I used to live there.

Upstate has turned into a strange brew of politics. It's become very green on both sides...pro2A on both sides...leaning towards choice on both sides...that is what the interventionists don't understand. Dede was mainstream for the region as is Owens. Obama getting 52% up there should have been their first clue.

--I Brake For The Invisible

war  posted on  2009-11-16   21:35:24 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#10. To: war (#9)

We had a Mayor St. Pierre...a priest...back when I was a teenager. The new Pope got him and all others out of there.

Fred Mertz  posted on  2009-11-16   21:38:32 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#11. To: Fred Mertz (#10)

The most famous clergy in the 70's....Fr Robert Drinan...was a Jesuit Congressman who advocated the impeachment of Nixon....JPII made him quit...

--I Brake For The Invisible

war  posted on  2009-11-16   21:55:19 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#12. To: Cynicom (#1)

Amazing this day and age and totals cannot be done accurately.

Well first they have to "find" all the votes.


"Greenhouse gases do not act as a blanket around the earth and they do not keep the atmosphere warm. ... greenhouse gases emit more radiation than they absorb and this ongoing radiation loss tends to cool the atmosphere at between 1C and 2C per day, a fact known for more than 50 years. And yet we continue to get the simplistic explanation that greenhouse gases warm the atmosphere and so more greenhouse gases will warm the atmosphere more. No wonder the public is taken in!" --William Kininmonth, meteorologist , 1791

farmfriend  posted on  2009-11-17   0:38:27 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#13. To: Original_Intent, Cynicom (#4)

Well it takes awhile to make the count come out right.

LOL that was about my take on it. See my post above this one.


"Greenhouse gases do not act as a blanket around the earth and they do not keep the atmosphere warm. ... greenhouse gases emit more radiation than they absorb and this ongoing radiation loss tends to cool the atmosphere at between 1C and 2C per day, a fact known for more than 50 years. And yet we continue to get the simplistic explanation that greenhouse gases warm the atmosphere and so more greenhouse gases will warm the atmosphere more. No wonder the public is taken in!" --William Kininmonth, meteorologist , 1791

farmfriend  posted on  2009-11-17   0:39:36 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#14. To: IDon'tThinkSo (#0)

Shades of Al Franken. Seriously. Nobody can count anymore.

Better to be hated for what you are, than loved for what you are not.

TommyTheMadArtist  posted on  2009-11-17   0:44:58 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#15. To: IDon'tThinkSo (#0)

Hoffman would have to take over 65 percent of the absentee ballots in order to eclipse Owens.

which he won't do, so he'll have to re-concede. He's not that bright, is he?

Go65  posted on  2009-11-17   11:14:35 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#16. To: Go65 (#15)

which he won't do, so he'll have to re-concede. He's not that bright, is he?

That's why he's the perfect birther candidate.

"I breathed in an autumn bouquet that combined everything small-town America with rugged splashes of the Last Frontier."

IDon'tThinkSo  posted on  2009-11-17   11:37:01 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#17. To: IDon'tThinkSo (#16)

birther

I've noticed that anybody who doesn't subscribe to hard statist ethics (the kind Obama and Pelosi hold, for example) are labeled "birthers" or "stoopid!" by you folks.

You are aware, I hope, that your political opinions are not handed down from up on high, and are therefore flawed and open to critique? Further, you are hopefully aware others that holding ideas other than what you hold, does not make others somehow deficient, either intellectually or spiritually?

You guys are going to have to come up with better arguments to defend your rapidly fading ideology. Calling people names and sneering at them is no longer effective.

And no, I'm not a "birther".

The actual topic of the article is about a guy rescinding his concession. He's not just one guy, he has a legal team behind him, of highly educated men and women. If they conclude that there is a chance here, then this is the action that would be advised. Sneering "they're stooopid!" or "they're perfect birfers!" doesn't really, well, place you in a good light.

MapQuest really needs to start their directions on #5. Pretty sure I know how to get out of my neighborhood.

SonOfLiberty  posted on  2009-11-17   11:53:07 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#18. To: SonOfLiberty (#17)

Sneering "they're stooopid!" or "they're perfect birfers!" doesn't really, well, place you in a good light.

Well, I think conceding a close election when there were still 11,000 absentee votes to be counted was stupid.

Sorry, but that's the way I see it.

"I breathed in an autumn bouquet that combined everything small-town America with rugged splashes of the Last Frontier."

IDon'tThinkSo  posted on  2009-11-17   11:57:41 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


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