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Title: CHINA QUESTIONS COSTS of U.S. HEALTHCARE REFORM (Ya gotta be shittin me).
Source: Reuters
URL Source: http://blogs.reuters.com/james-peth ... costs-of-us-healthcare-reform/
Published: Nov 17, 2009
Author: Mao Tse Tung (hahahaha)
Post Date: 2009-11-17 09:46:19 by noone222
Keywords: None
Views: 215
Comments: 16

November 16th, 2009 China questions costs of U.S. healthcare reform Post a comment (111)Posted by: James Pethokoukis Tags: Uncategorized, budget deficit, China, healthcare reform, national debt Guess what? It turns out the Chinese are kind of curious about how President Barack Obama’s healthcare reform plans would impact America’s huge fiscal deficit. Government officials are using his Asian trip as an opportunity to ask the White House questions. Detailed questions.

Boilerplate assurances that America won’t default on its debt or inflate the shortfall away are apparently not cutting it. Nor should they, when one owns nearly $2 trillion in assets denominated in the currency of a country about to double its national debt over the next decade.

Nothing happening in Washington today should give Beijing any comfort or confidence about what may happen tomorrow. Healthcare reform was originally promoted as a way to “bend the curve” on escalating entitlement costs, the major part of which is financing Medicare and Medicaid. That is looking more and more like an overpromised deliverable.

For instance, a new study from the U.S. government’s Centers for Medicare and Medicaid Services finds that the healthcare reform bill recently passed in the House of Representatives would increase healthcare spending to 21.3 percent of GDP by 2019 compared with 20.8 percent under current law. That’s bending the curve the wrong way. The study also questions the “long-term viability” of the $500 billion in Medicare cuts meant to help pay for expanded insurance coverage.

In addition, the CMS study gives a clearer cost estimate than the one provided by the Congressional Budget Office. According to the CBO, the 10-year cost of PelosiCare is $894 billion. But that analysis includes early years with little government spending, According to the CMS, the House approach would cost $1 trillion from 2013-2019, or some $140 billion a year when fully put into effect.

Few realists in Washington think any of the current reform plans make a significant dent in the long-term healthcare cost to government. Indeed, the Senate Budget Committee recently held hearing about creating a bipartisan commission to find solutions to America’s entitlements problems.

If healthcare reform really bent the curve, there would be a no need for such a commission to do Healthcare Reform 2.0.

The Chinese might want to keep up the questioning.


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#1. To: noone222 (#0)

So, does this mean that Obama may be too communistic to suit Red China?

Sonovademocrat  posted on  2009-11-17   10:11:09 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#2. To: Sonovademocrat (#1)

Body snatching, body part retrieving vans will be mandated in the U.S.S.A. to facilitate harvesting the necessary organs to offset healthcare costs ... no problems.

Doing what's right isn't always easy but it's always right.

noone222  posted on  2009-11-17   10:15:26 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#3. To: Sonovademocrat (#1)

So, does this mean that Obama may be too communistic to suit Red China?

Ain't irony ironic?

MapQuest really needs to start their directions on #5. Pretty sure I know how to get out of my neighborhood.

SonOfLiberty  posted on  2009-11-17   11:06:18 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#4. To: Sonovademocrat (#1)

So, does this mean that Obama may be too communistic to suit Red China?

Maybe it means the Chinese are more fiscally conservative than we are? They've funded our runaway deficits for years, why shouldn't they ask questions that relate to their investment?

Go65  posted on  2009-11-17   11:12:57 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#5. To: Go65 (#4)

They've funded our runaway deficits for years, why shouldn't they ask questions that relate to their investment?

In a sense you're correct. On the other hand, they don't get to set our national policies. It's not like they can simply convert their holdings without immense amounts of pain for themselves, so we're both kind of tangled together in a macabre dance at the moment.

But hey, if their questioning makes Barry come to his senses and lay off on trying to socialize medicine, then great. Doubt it will though, he hears no voices but his own.

MapQuest really needs to start their directions on #5. Pretty sure I know how to get out of my neighborhood.

SonOfLiberty  posted on  2009-11-17   11:18:42 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#6. To: SonOfLiberty (#5)

he hears no voices but his own.

I suspect he hears Edgar Bergans voice loud and clear from behind the curtain.

Cynicom  posted on  2009-11-17   11:21:08 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#7. To: noone222 (#0)

Don't see much point in squawking about ObmaCare. It's just another tax to make sure adequate medical services are available to all that need them, particularly those earning so little that they can't afford decent care. If the money didn't come from premiums then taxpayers would be dinged through income taxes. In all likelihood private insurers will use a sharper pencil so what they earn in profit a government-administered operation would squander through bureaucratic waste. And, As Kucinich said, why can't money be found for health if America can find money for wars (for Israel), which just add to health/rehabilitation costs?

Tatarewicz  posted on  2009-11-17   23:18:49 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#8. To: SonOfLiberty (#5)

Doubt it will though, he hears no voices but his own.

If he only heard his voice he wouldn't be President right now.

He is a puppet and does what he is told. As you can see by the past few days he is very good at bowing. He knows his place and won't do anything to upset his masters. If he does, he will pay for it and he knows it. He is not going to bite the hand the feeds him.

God is always good!

RickyJ  posted on  2009-11-18   2:25:27 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#9. To: Tatarewicz (#7)

Don't see much point in squawking about ObmaCare. It's just another tax to make sure adequate medical services are available to all that need them, particularly those earning so little that they can't afford decent care. If the money didn't come from premiums then taxpayers would be dinged through income taxes. In all likelihood private insurers will use a sharper pencil so what they earn in profit a government-administered operation would squander through bureaucratic waste. And, As Kucinich said, why can't money be found for health if America can find money for wars (for Israel), which just add to health/rehabilitation costs?

I don't think the U.S. Government gives a fiddler's fart about our health, that's a ridiculous conclusion.

This law is about total control of a socialist slave state.

Doing what's right isn't always easy but it's always right.

noone222  posted on  2009-11-18   5:25:10 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#10. To: Tatarewicz (#7)

It's just another tax

You are ignorant.

If it were just another tax, that would still be wrong. This is not just another tax. Have you actually read the bill? I have. Unlike every politician in Washington, I've read the thing.

Here's the crux of it. Are you willing to be denied gun ownership if you ever suffered from depression? Having taken certain medications, exclude you from being able to own a gun.

The IRS, the Insurance companies, and the federal government are all up in your business to ensure you are enrolled into a plan somewhere, and if that plan isn't good enough, guess what? They ding you for one of their plans, that costs you $15,000.00 a year. If you fail to be enrolled for a program, that's when you get crucified with jail time, and fines.

It's NOT just another tax. It's theft at the point of a gun. You lose your freedom if you don't pay your fair share to exist on this planet. People like you don't get it.

What are you going to do when you can't afford to pay that $15,000.00 a year health premium? Do you think you're going to be able to just be indigent? Sorry pal, but they're garnish your wages and force you to pay.

You are going to pay protection money to breathe the free air in this country, and that is okay with you?

How pathetic. Healthcare is NOT a human right. If it were, then food, shelter and clothing are all human rights. While we're at it, let's do what the French have done, and make the internet, and communication human rights.

People like you can't exist without people like me paying the bill.

I am not a slave to the state, insurance company, or my fellow human beings. I do not ask anything of my fellow humans save for their common sense, and common courtesy, which both are never given.

Better to be hated for what you are, than loved for what you are not.

TommyTheMadArtist  posted on  2009-11-18   6:23:15 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#11. To: RickyJ (#8)

I've been calling him President Step'n'fetchit. That's his role. He acts exactly like the servile NWO lickspittle that they trained him to be.

Better to be hated for what you are, than loved for what you are not.

TommyTheMadArtist  posted on  2009-11-18   6:25:34 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#12. To: noone222 (#2)

Body snatching, body part retrieving vans will be mandated in the U.S.S.A. to facilitate harvesting the necessary organs to offset healthcare costs ... no problems.

Since you are a waste of human flesh and the world would have been better if your mother had an abortion. I propose that they harvest you first and only. You wouldn't be missed by anyone that mattered.

Error of opinion may be tolerated where reason is left free to combat it - Thomas Jefferson

A K A Stone  posted on  2009-11-18   7:54:06 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#13. To: noone222 (#9)

The specter of people dying because they cannot afford medical costs is not only bad for America's image abroad but is likely to bring about a politician's defeat at election time. So the "government" has to care about our health.

Tatarewicz  posted on  2009-11-19   9:27:35 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#14. To: Tatarewicz (#7)

Don't see much point in squawking about ObmaCare. It's just another tax to make sure adequate medical services are available to all that need them, particularly those earning so little that they can't afford decent care. If the money didn't come from premiums then taxpayers would be dinged through income taxes. In all likelihood private insurers will use a sharper pencil so what they earn in profit a government-administered operation would squander through bureaucratic waste. And, As Kucinich said, why can't money be found for health if America can find money for wars (for Israel), which just add to health/rehabilitation costs?

Quoted For Truth.

The doctrinaire libertarian position, though, is going to win out. Ironically, China is now VERY CLOSE to being a libertarian "paradise" — way closer than "we" will ever be. Peter Schiff has been pointing this out for years. It's why he is so high on investing in the Chinese market.

America is in the worst of all worlds now. Israel still runs our foreign policy and so the wars will never end and the teabaggers (many of whom are ALSO Israel Firsters) will make sure we bow to what China demands here and in terms of other domestic policies.

It would appear China has no problem with financing the never-ending wars for Israel. Maybe "we" have outsourced enough of the war machine to them that they see a tangible benefit to their economy in not dissenting from the warpigs' point of view.

“I would give no thought of what the world might say of me, if I could only transmit to posterity the reputation of an honest man.” - Sam Houston

Sam Houston  posted on  2009-11-19   9:38:42 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#15. To: TommyTheMadArtist (#10)

The costs of treating the uninsured must often be absorbed by providers as charity care, passed on to the insured via cost shifting and higher health insurance premiums, or provided by taxpayers through higher taxes.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Health_care_in_the_united_States

The $15,000 annual insurance bill does seem high when compared to the $7,500 currently spent on health care per individual. I can't see that the premium should have to double the current cost just to add 45-million to coverage when many of these individuals probably chose not to insure because they are in good health. Could be just a sneaky way to get more money into the military to pay for the perpetual wars Organized Jewry is coercing America's politicians, whom it elected to office, to fight on behalf of its illegal Israeli state.

Tatarewicz  posted on  2009-11-20   1:46:33 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#16. To: Tatarewicz (#15)

It's not all about the money.

It's about control over your life. That's the whole point. It's a stealthy gun grab. It's a grab for your private property. It's wholesale theft, and on top of that it's Slavery.

You're talking about it being money. IT'S NOT ALL ABOUT MONEY.

Better to be hated for what you are, than loved for what you are not.

TommyTheMadArtist  posted on  2009-11-20   7:18:43 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


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