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Title: You should check this out! Homeland Security Policy Institute - Nidal Hasan was an advisor
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Published: Nov 18, 2009
Author: buckeroo
Post Date: 2009-11-18 12:29:37 by buckeroo
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Now we have a little insight into why Obama said to not jump to conclusions about Nidal Hasan and why Congressmen were not briefed before the press leak. This murdering Muslim Terrorist who killed and wounded the soldiers and civilians at Ft Hood, Texas was an advisor to Obama's Homeland Security team. Look on page 29 of the Homeland Security Institute link below. I wonder how many more skeletons there are to come to of the cupboard. Who else is there in the government or its numerous advisors or Czars that will harm our country and citizens? Homeland Security Policy Institute Go to the appendix listing the participants and look at page number 29, scroll down to the 8th name on the Left Column
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#23. To: Liberator (#3)
HI Lib. :) I have some friends who are Muslim, and they are not violent at all. They are very thoughtful and good people, and they are proud Americans. BUT those do not seem to be the types of people Obama associates himself with. It appears to me that Obama surrounds himself with people who want the destruction of freedom and they seem to want to dismantle our country's sovereignty. I see that. I think the socialism that has creeped in to destroy America, has more to do with mental disease and self loathing, than it has to do with religious affiliation.
Hi Diva... NOT buying the cliche that Muslims are "proud Americans." AT ALL. Let them serve, spill blood, sacrifice, and put America FIRST. Let them lead Veterans Day parades. Independence Day festivities. Let them honor the religion, traditions, and heritage of America's Founders. What's that? They don't? Nevermind... They are nothing SHEEP and parasite feeding off the past sacrifice and blood and sweat of Western concepts of liberty, capitalism, and tolerance. Individual Muslims (or blacks for that matter) aren't necessarily "violent"...and neither are any ideological mutants, cults or raging lunatics UNTIL a catalyst kicks them into gear, or mob rules. Were Muslims the majority just how "thoughtful and good" of people would they be? Come on - you're NOT this naive, are you?? ANY area of the WORLD where Islam become the dominant demographic proves otherwise (Africa, Indonesia, Middle East, Europe.) Fundamentally ALL Muslims and their religion, culture and philosophy are ANTI-WEST...That makes them 100% anathema to our way of living. These people are only benign when they only comprise an extremely minority. I think the socialism that has creeped in to destroy America, has more to do with mental disease and self loathing, than it has to do with religious affiliation. Socialism/communism is closely related to secular humanism which is itself a "religion." Our collective problem as you well know is a spiritual disease or rather infestation. Yes, "self-loathing" and guilt as well play into this self-destructive, sado-masochistic syndrome... The Elite fascists are facilitating this under the guise of "diversity," "anti-sovereignty," collectivism, and a one-world ecumenism of both politics and religion. The gig is as it's always been - about power and greed. BUT those do not seem to be the types of people Obama associates himself with. It appears to me that Obama surrounds himself with people who want the destruction of freedom and they seem to want to dismantle our country's sovereignty. You DO realize 0bama is associated with Bill Ayers, Rev. Wright, Farrahkan, etal. Muslims? YES, HE IS ONE OF THEM! The guy is a proven Marxist and anti-American liar who wants nothing more then to take down the US as we know it (something about "Hope and Change".) Geez Diva - COME ON!
“But if they turn renegades, seize them and slay them wherever you find them.” (Koran 4:89) There will be those among them who will wish to gain your confidence and that of your people, Allah warns. “If they withdraw not from you nor give you (guarantees) of peace besides restraining their hands,” commands Allah, “seize them and slay them wherever you get them.” (Koran 4:91). Need more?: The Koran advises Muslims to: * Slay the unbelievers wherever you find them(2:191) So when will you be buying a ranch in Saudi Arabia, Mel?
That clearly omits you, doesn't it, Tumbleweeds? Or is it Helen Thomas Jr.? I was trying to correct your misstatements and omissions, and get you to show your lack of ethics and integrity in print. I was successful. You "were successful" in repeating ad nauseam you usual futility, mischaracterizations, and ditz-speak. EXCELLENT "try."
I couldn't have said it better. That's quite believable considering your abysmal level of articulation and understanding of normalcy FAILS 97.3% of the time. The reason it's not 100% can be attributed to a 'Broken Clock' theory.
Big Meanie...What can I say about you that hasn't already been said? I CAN always fart in your general direction...AGAIN.
Thank you for the info.
:) Lib- I mean only my own friends- who I know personally. My friends are very supportive of the military... (would *I* be friends with anyone who isn't??) I agree with you about the radical Muslims like those you listed- and yes- it is a concern that Obama is friends with those kinds of people, but I just can't make the leap that all Muslims are bad. That just hasn't been my life's experience. I think all liberals are mental.... THAT I can prove 100 different ways. You think I am *pie in the sky* naive, don't you?? ;) (It's ok if you do- I luv you anyway).
Believe what the TV tells you.
I notice a lot of hot air in your posts and no specifics. This is your jooish logic at work. Your jooish logic may pass muster on El Pee, it won't on this site which is a free speech forum. Now what specifics do you have to rebut my statement that Jews coexisted various in various Muslim empires for centuries, which totally demolishes your premise that Muslims are out to slaughter the infidel at all costs? If and when you get done with that - not likely - you can then comment on your specious claim that whenever a Christian does something violent, he is not acting as a Christian, but when a Muslim does something violent, he in your opinion is acting as a Muslim and not an individual. The fact is that you find violent and peaceful people everywhere in all circumstances and only idiots like yourself make sweeping generalizations about "Good Christian, Evil Mooslum." You $hit for brains Middle Eastern kooks are hell bent on running the United States of America into oblivion. The WOT is a pretty good start in that direction, just as OBL hoped it would be.
There is no such quote. The Koran is somewhat vague and ambiguous, but the parts that most explicitly deal with jihad state that you "fight in the way of Allah" and to observe boundaries i.e. proper conduct in war. Furthermore there is a distinction in the Koran between "infidels" who are idol worshippers and pagans, and monothestic "People of the Book" who include Jews and Christians. Jews and Christians are not infidels according to the Koran. Last but not least, if you want to see passages about annihliating your enemies, selling them into slavery, raping, plundering, and "Leave not alive anything that breathes," look no further than Deuteronomy in the Old Testament.
I am totally amused by you and the other anti-muslim hate mongers in that with your myopic outlook you consistently miss key data and focus on peripheral items. The real question and focus should be why did this guy go off? It wasn't because he was a muslim. there are hundreds of millions of Muslims worldwide who did not go on a berserker killing spree that day. Datum: He was a Psychiatrist. Datum: Every one of the berserker killers in recent years has been on some form of SSRI Psychiatric drug. (Prozac is the most common but Eric Harris of Columbine fame was on Luvox.) So, as a Psychiatrist, under pressure because he was about to be deployed into a war he disagreed with, could he have been on some form of anti-depressant? The military is handing them out like candy these days - particularly to troops in combat zones. So, it is reasonable to guess that he was most likely on some form of anti-depressant. Last time I checked 2+2 still equalled 4.
"An education isn't how much you have committed to memory, or even how much you know. It's being able to differentiate between what you know and what you don't. ~ Anatole France
Nicely put. Pungent with just a whiff of acid.
"An education isn't how much you have committed to memory, or even how much you know. It's being able to differentiate between what you know and what you don't. ~ Anatole France
I looked it up and saw the distortion of the interpretation. There are people who claim one religion or another that are simply - wacked.
If you google those words they are cut and paste from blogs from the usual suspects. Here is some original material.
Right after 4:89, there is another passage 4:90 which says don't fight people who have a treaty with you. You wouldn't expect our wannabe propagadist to put those exculpatory words in, would you?
Typical for Zionazi Iarabots.
"An education isn't how much you have committed to memory, or even how much you know. It's being able to differentiate between what you know and what you don't. ~ Anatole France
You mean liberator wasn't being honest?
[2.190] And fight in the way of Allah with those who fight with you, and do not exceed the limits, surely Allah does not love those who exceed the limits. [2.191] And kill them wherever you find them, and drive them out from whence they drove you out, and persecution is severer than slaughter, and do not fight with them at the Sacred Mosque until they fight with you in it, but if they do fight you, then slay them; such is the recompense of the unbelievers. [2.193] And fight with them until there is no persecution, and religion should be only for Allah, but if they desist, then there should be no hostility except against the oppressors.
I'm sure according to jooish logic FibberBator is as honest as the day is long....which reminds me it is after dark now....
Heaven forefend.
"An education isn't how much you have committed to memory, or even how much you know. It's being able to differentiate between what you know and what you don't. ~ Anatole France
Liberator's habit is to omit most of the story, and she uses lots of capital letters as a distraction. (She acknowledges and seems impressed by superficial flattery from other posters....generally a female trait).
Don't insult mel, who I believe is a woman...
Don't insult mel, who I believe is a woman... So is she.
"An education isn't how much you have committed to memory, or even how much you know. It's being able to differentiate between what you know and what you don't. ~ Anatole France
I meant that to be about liberator who I believe also is female. I'll go back and clarify it.
It also talks against murderers and rapists. I don't defend those who do evil in the name of God, Allah, or any other "heavenly being" as they exist in every religion.
I think Lib is male - Lib likes women, if you know what I mean.
To be honest Islam and the Koran is a rather convoluted and confusing belief system in many respects. However no more so than what you see in the OT. In fact there are numerous striking parallels between the OT and the Koran, and the Koran claims that it too comes from the same source as the OT.
This weeks topic in my Religions of the World class is Christianity and Islam, their similarities and differences. I'll know more at the end of the week.
PS - Don't tell Lib Islam and Christianity have similarities - He doesn't like to hear that.
The big difference between Christianity and Islam is Jesus taught forgiveness, and lived it to set an example even at the cost of his own life "Father forgive them they know not what they do." Both Islam and Judaism OTOH are mostly based on fighting back, and in the case of Judaism preeemptively attacking those whose land they claim their deity has given to them.
The other thing that Blaberator will not touch is that many of the Muslims in Palestine, and elsewhere, were originally Jews who were converted to Islam during and after the expansion of Islam in the 8th Century. Genetically, if one wishes to analyze a spiritual problem materialistically, the current Muslims of Palestine are little different genetically, virtually identical, from Sephardic Jews found anywhere in the Middle East. Of course the AshkeNAZIm are of Northern European ancestry and are no more closely related to the Jews of the Bible than was the last Czar of Russia. The AshkeNAZIm also treat the Sephardim only slightly better than the Muslims as they are racist bolshevik pigs.
"An education isn't how much you have committed to memory, or even how much you know. It's being able to differentiate between what you know and what you don't. ~ Anatole France
A great book, if you can find a copy as it is out of print, is "Great Religions by Which Men Live". A classic in the field of comparative religion and very accessible.
"An education isn't how much you have committed to memory, or even how much you know. It's being able to differentiate between what you know and what you don't. ~ Anatole France
Thank you. The text we are using is Living Religions, Sixth Edition, by Mary Pat Fisher. It's rather facinating and I'm enjoying learning about the many religions that exist. I will look for the book you suggested.
If one steps aside from dogma for a moment and looks at these belief systems from a strictly ethnographic viewpoint they begin to make more sense. Both religions evolved out of a very harsh environment, where survival was problematic at best, wracked by warfare and constant ethnic strife. Each elevates their own group above all others (a survival adaptation) and dismisses other groups as unworthy - even "subhuman". Which makes sense from the point of view that resources were severely limited and which meant not all could partake. Thus one has to have a rationale for killing others or preventing their survival. That this is no longer true is irrelevant, at this point, as those characteristics are so ingrained as to be almost nature. Historically the region has been riven by these irrational forces since time immemorial.
"An education isn't how much you have committed to memory, or even how much you know. It's being able to differentiate between what you know and what you don't. ~ Anatole France
Enjoy! Religion, despite the whining caterwauling of the few atheists, is part of human nature. At its best it reflects and represents our highest yearnings and questings. The spiritual side is every bit as real, if not more so, than the material. It is what lifts us above the mere animal.
"An education isn't how much you have committed to memory, or even how much you know. It's being able to differentiate between what you know and what you don't. ~ Anatole France
I think lib is a lezzy, if you know what I mean. lol
I considered posting that - but if I did, that would mean another poster I know of is a lezzy too. ;-D
Certain Christian variants believe and practice that, even with those from other Christian religions. Such as the Seventh Day Adventists which I know for a fact, but it is not (that I know of) in any of their "official" teachings. So many of these religions have hierarchies that have their own level of secret teachings.
I have nothing against lezzies (I have more than one in my family) unless they exhibit the constant vile and nasty attempts at domination of a Liberator. Then I consider it part of a larger mental illness or personality disorder.
The only other poster I'm aware of who has many of the strange qualities of liberator is byeltsin. Byeltsin actually posted that there were sooo many posters on LP who deserved to die before her granddaughter (who was killed in an accident). I bozoed her right after giving my condolences. I think there are many examples on LP of drug and alcohol ravaged personalities.
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#24. To: diva betsy ross (#23)
HI Lib. :) I have some friends who are Muslim, and they are not violent at all. They are very thoughtful and good people, and they are proud Americans.
#25. To: mel_living (#21)
Out of curiousity, could you please quote and link me to the portion of the Koran that gives the commandment you mention? Thanks.
* Make war on the infidels living in your neighboorhood (9:123)
* When opportunity arises, kill the infidels wherever you catch them (9:5)
* Kill the Jews and the Christians if they do not convert to Islam or refuse to pay Jizya tax (9:29)
* Any religion other than Islam is not acceptable (3:85)
* The Jews and the Christians are perverts; fight them (9:30)
* Maim and crucify the infidels if they criticise Islam. (5:33)
* The infidels are unclean; do not let them into a mosque (9:28)
* Punish the unbelievers with garments of fire, hooked iron rods, boiling water; melt their skin and bellies (22:19)
* Do not hanker for peace with the infidels; behead them when you catch them (47:4)
* The unbelievers are stupid; urge the Muslims to fight them (8:65)
* Muslims must not take the infidels as friends (3:28)
* Terrorise and behead those who believe in scriptures other than the Qur’an (8:12)
* Muslims must muster all weapons to terrorise the infidels (8:60)
#26. To: mininggold (#20)
Only women care if they are flattered Queeny [aka Liberator.].
#27. To: wudidiz (#19)
Hahahaha....
#28. To: Big Meanie (#17)
#29. To: Liberator (#25)
#30. To: Liberator (#24)
#31. To: Liberator (#27)
"The trouble with people is not that they don't know but that they know so much that ain't so." ~ Josh Billings
#32. To: Liberator (#22)
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#33. To: mel_living (#21)
Hi Lib - Out of curiousity, could you please quote and link me to the portion of the Koran that gives the commandment you mention? Thanks.
#34. To: Liberator, all (#1)
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#35. To: AGAviator, Liberator, all (#32)
#36. To: AGAviator (#33)
#37. To: mel_living (#29)
Thank you for the info.
#38. To: mel_living, Original_Intent (#36)
I looked it up and saw the distortion of the interpretation
#39. To: AGAviator (#38)
#40. To: AGAviator, mel_living, Original_Intent, liberator (#38)
"The trouble with people is not that they don't know but that they know so much that ain't so." ~ Josh Billings
#41. To: mel_living (#36)
#42. To: wudidiz (#40)
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You mean liberator wasn't being honest?
#43. To: wudidiz, AGAviator, mel_living, liberator (#40)
You mean liberator wasn't being honest?
#44. To: AGAviator (#38)
(Edited)
You wouldn't expect our wannabe propagadist to put those exculpatory words in, would you?
#45. To: mininggold (#44)
generally a female trait
#46. To: AGAviator, mininggold (#45)
generally a female trait
#47. To: AGAviator (#45)
Don't insult mel, who I believe is a woman...
#48. To: AGAviator (#38)
#49. To: mininggold (#47)
#50. To: mel_living (#48)
#51. To: AGAviator (#50)
#52. To: AGAviator (#50)
#53. To: mel_living (#52)
#54. To: AGAviator, Liberator, mininggold, all (#32)
Now what specifics do you have to rebut my statement that Jews coexisted various in various Muslim empires for centuries, which totally demolishes your premise that Muslims are out to slaughter the infidel at all costs?
#55. To: mel_living (#51)
This weeks topic in my Religions of the World class is Christianity and Islam, their similarities and differences. I'll know more at the end of the week.
#56. To: Original_Intent (#55)
#57. To: AGAviator, mel_living (#53)
Both Islam and Judaism OTOH are mostly based on fighting back, and in the case of Judaism preeemptively attacking those whose land they claim their deity has given to them.
#58. To: mel_living (#56)
#59. To: mel_living (#49)
I think Lib is male - Lib likes women, if you know what I mean.
#60. To: mininggold (#59)
#61. To: Original_Intent (#57)
Each elevates their own group above all others (a survival adaptation) and dismisses other groups as unworthy - even "subhuman"
#62. To: mel_living (#60)
I considered posting that - but if I did, that would mean another poster I know of is a lezzy too. ;-D
#63. To: mel_living (#60)
I considered posting that - but if I did, that would mean another poster I know of is a lezzy too. ;-D
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