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Title: Palin and Beck 2012? A match straight out of hades
Source: Los Angeles Examiner
URL Source: http://www.examiner.com/examiner/x- ... -A-match-straight-out-of-hades
Published: Nov 19, 2009
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Post Date: 2009-11-19 10:31:48 by Artisan
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Palin and Beck 2012? A match straight out of hades
L.A. County Libertarian Examiner Photo: Tea Party in Santa Monica in 2007, before the movement was co-opted by neocon shills.

Sarah Palin, former governor of Alaska who is making the media rounds promoting her book Going Rogue, has said that she would consider TV host Glen Beck as a running mate if she ran for president in two years:

"I can envision a couple of different combinations, if ever I were to be in a position to really even seriously consider running for anything in the future, and I'm not there yet.. But Glenn Beck I have great respect for. He's a hoot. He gets his message across in such a clever way. And he's so bold - I have to respect that. He calls it like he sees it, and he's very, very, very effective."

Palin, touted as a conservative who might save the faultering Republican party, cemented her standard establishment line on Israeli policy in an interview with Barbara Walters airing this week, saying 'the Jewish settlements should be allowed to be expanded upon', even if it encroaches into Palestinian areas.

An Israeli flag was seen displayed in her gubernatorial office in a February 2008 interview, with Palin making the shocking remark that the 'only flag in my office' is Israeli" when she met Israeli President Shmon Peres along with John McCain in September 08 at an event hosted by Bill Clinton. "I wanted to meet you for many years...The only flag at my office is an Israeli flag, and I want you to know and I want Israelis to know that I am a friend.", Palin said.

Beck meanwhile, an admitted alcoholic and recovering drug addict, is touted by some as a 'staunch libertarian'. Beck is Mormon, otherwise referred to as "the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-Day Saints", which is described as "a pseudo-religion designated as a cult by many religious and secular organizations and fitting many, if not most, of the classically designated characteristics which define cult activity". Mormon publications have described Beck as "one of the most influential Mormons in the media today".

'Focus on the Family' pulled a Glenn Beck interview over his Mormon faith in December 2008, with their spokesman Gary Schneeberger explaining to news outlets that “differences in the Mormon faith and the historical evangelical faith are not inconsequential"... adding that “some from our base” were concerned that the interview aimed to “signal theological compromise.”

The Christian ministry group Underground Apologetics had initiated the criticism of Focus on The Family's promotional interview of Beck, stating:

"While Glenn's social views are compatible with many Christian views, his beliefs in Mormonism are not. Clearly, Mormonism is a cult. The CitizenLink story does not mention Beck's Mormon faith, however, the story makes it look as if Beck is a Christian who believes in the essential doctrines of the faith.....to promote a Mormon as a Christian is not helpful to the cause of Jesus Christ. For Christians to influence society, Christians should be promoting the central issues of the faith properly without opening the door to false religions. Some of the false doctrines of Mormonism include polytheism, an attack on the trinity, that Jesus was the spirit-brother of Lucifer, that God the Father is married to Mother God, temple baptisms for the dead, the Bible has missing parts and many errors."

Politically, Beck touts himself as a conservative and purported libertarian, but doesn't mind the fact that Republican National Committee Chairman Michael Steele’s is 'pro-choice'. This logic fits right in line with neocon Republicans Rudy Giulliani and Arnold Schwarzenegger, who betray their so-called base with their views while being continuously lauded as Republican heros. In a March 2009 interview, Beck told an interviewer "Yeah, I’m a libertarian, man. I am pro-life, but in my perfect world, we encourage people to make decisions that are pro-life. That’s the way it works"

While claiming to be a libertarian, Beck supports the myriad of undeclared wars launched by George W. Bush, endorses the patriot act, and showed disdain for Ron Paul supporters in November 2007 during the presidential election, with PrisonPlanet.com documenting the fallout:

Complaints Flood CNN After Beck Smears Ron Paul Supporters As Terrorists "Complaints and demands for a retraction and an apology are flooding CNN today after Neo-Con host Glenn Beck and ex-Marxist David Horowitz smeared Ron Paul supporters, libertarians and the anti-war left as terrorist sympathizers and inferred that the U.S. military should be used to silence them, parroting a talking point that traces back to a September 2006 White House directive"

In reality, "Glenn Beck is a Neocon Not a Libertarian" , as this youtube video so brilliantly illustrates [with 300+ comments]

In a candidly honest appraisal, the Libertarian Party Co-Founder David Nolan Calls Sarah Palin A Shill, Glenn Beck A Wanna-Be Libertarian in an October 2009 radio interview.

Palin, meanwhile, in an MTV interview during her vice-presidential bid, referred to Ron Paul as "cool." adding "He's a good guy,.. He's so independent. He's independent of the party machine. I'm like, 'Right on, so am I."

Congressman Paul however, in a Politico interview in July of this year, threw cold water on the Palin hysteria that seems to be sweeping through the GOP:

"As for soon-to-be departing Alaska Gov. Sarah Palin, Paul dismisses her supporters as "more establishment, conventional Country-Club type of Republicans.” "I wonder whether she's energizing the 15-20 year olds," Paul muses. "That would be a question I would have. Because she doesn't talk about the Federal Reserve and some of these issues. She doesn't talk too much about personal liberties, civil liberties, getting rid of drug laws, attacking the war on drugs, punishing people who torture." Worse still, he adds, Palinites are partisans: “If Obama was the only one who was guilty, they would be on his case all the time, but there is a lot of partisanship and I am probably less partisan and therefore she is going to appeal to partisan Republicans better.” As Paul sees it, such partisanship is the rough equivalent of an old Onion headline, “"Our local area sports team is superior to your local area sports team," Or as he puts it, “I think when it comes to foreign policy and monetary policy on big spending and watching out for the big corporations, Republicans are Democrats”

It should be interesting to watch as the circus develops over the next two years, with statists of every stripe fawning over their D or R celebrity puppet candidate. Meanwhile, I wish them well in buying and selling their books, while the people who genuinely care about freedom can continue to expose the phonies, and strive for liberty in our time.

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#2. To: Artisan (#0)

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Eric Stratton  posted on  2009-11-19   13:01:45 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#3. To: Eric Stratton (#2)

On the Hannity show this week Palin talked about imposing sanctions on Iraq to prevent it from acquiring nuclear weapons. Hannity doesn't even bother correcting her.

www.youtube.com/watch?v=OM7Xhg0WIbU

Go65  posted on  2009-11-20   8:26:20 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#5. To: Go65 (#3)

Can we just amend the constitution to say "anyone having a 'personal lord and savior' is henceforth and forever prohibited from holding public office?"

That'd go a long way to cleaning things up. Beck's almost listenable until he reveals that the basic element of his 'plan' is a reliance on god. BZZZZZZT! Thanks for playing.

Samuel Gray  posted on  2009-11-20   8:34:02 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#6. To: Samuel Gray (#5)

Can we just amend the constitution to say "anyone having a 'personal lord and savior' is henceforth and forever prohibited from holding public office?"

That worked out so well for the Soviets.

Outside of the tens of millions of their own countrymen they intentionally slaughtered.

Seems that having a strong moral code helps more than hurts, when it comes to public officials. Who knew?

That'd go a long way to cleaning things up. Beck's almost listenable until he reveals that the basic element of his 'plan' is a reliance on god. BZZZZZZT! Thanks for playing.

That bothers me as well honestly. Sitting around yelling "no!" and praying have yielded results approaching 0.0 in regards to the goals those actions were trying to achieve. Time to try something different.

SonOfLiberty  posted on  2009-11-20   8:49:19 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#8. To: SonOfLiberty (#6) (Edited)

I did not say "amoral", I said 'areligious'. My experiences in the vast number of cases has been that a good moral code and a good dose of religion are mutually exclusive.

Beck's Mormonism and Palin's fundie nutball history should naturally exclude them from high office. One's tendency to accept without evidence the existence of invisible entities, both benevolent and malevolent, would seem to contraindicate a fitness for leadership, if for no other reason than the propensity for sheer gullibility it evinces.

Samuel Gray  posted on  2009-11-20   8:53:31 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#9. To: Samuel Gray (#8) (Edited)

I did not say "amoral", I said 'areligious'. My experiences in the vast number of cases has been that a good moral code and a good dose of religion are mutually exclusive.

I'm agnostic so take this for what its worth, buy my observations tend to run exactly counter to yours. Most people who reject religion (not all, most) tend to be the most hateful, inconsiderate and amoral people I've ever met. Most people I've met who have truly accepted a religion (not all, most) tend to be honest, decent and just.

I think it is however quite fashionable to trash religion, especially Christianity, as if it were the most evil thing in existence. But its not, conceptually, though some of its followers or professed followers tend to be absolute asshats. But then, hey, most atheists/agnostics fall into the "worship the state" religion and don't realize it.

Instead of means testing an office (I know you weren't being fully serious) maybe we should construct a system whereby it doesn't matter what beliefs a person holds, because the scope and limit of the power they'd hold would be so miniscule and absolutely restrained that they could be for all intents and purposes a Josef Stalin and still do no harm? That was one hell of a run on sentence!

Beck's Mormonism and Palin's fundie nutball history should naturally exclude them from high office. One's tendency to accept without evidence the existence of invisible entities, both benevolent and malevolent, would seem to contraindicate a fitness for leadership, if for no other reason than the propensity for sheer gullibility it evinces.

Given that there is no way to prove or disprove a God, it seems to me that the only thing one can say honestly is either "I don't know" or "I don't *believe* that there is/isn't a God". Anything else is a statement of faith, including words like "There is no God!" (oh? Show me the proof, and remember that absence of evidence is not evidence of absense).

If a person wants to believe in Jesus/Mohammed/Little Blue Gargoyles, that's fine by me. They can certainly do a good job at most things in life despite this. Isaac Newton (and Einstein, and Darwin) tended to be religious but I'm pretty sure that they did a good thing or two in their time. Having some kind of ideological litmus test with absolutes of "thou shall not..." doesn't sit on the pallet well, whether it comes from religious zealots or atheist zealots.

SonOfLiberty  posted on  2009-11-20   9:00:47 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#11. To: SonOfLiberty (#9)

Having some kind of ideological litmus test with absolutes of "thou shall not..."

I think everyone is fine with the absolute of "thou shall not kill," but the "Christians" have found a "state-sized" loophole to the prohibition big enough to drive their military-industrial Mack Truck through to kill more than a million Iraqis, most of them innocent civilians (and even the ones who weren't were "resisting/insurging" in self-defense of their "homeland" as we call it nowadays).

"Christians" in most cases, especially where I live, now idolize the State, but only that part of it which engages in aggressive warfare (and they are particularly fond of the preemptive murder of Muslims, who dare to believe a bit differently about the invisible sky being[s] than they do). They have turned the faith upside down. It would not be recognizable by its Founder.

Sam Houston  posted on  2009-11-20   9:17:59 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#13. To: Sam Houston (#11)

I think everyone is fine with the absolute of "thou shall not kill," but the "Christians" have found a "state-sized" loophole to the prohibition big enough to drive their military-industrial Mack Truck through to kill more than a million Iraqis, most of them innocent civilians (and even the ones who weren't were "resisting/insurging" in self-defense of their "homeland" as we call it nowadays).

No question. On the other hand, the "rational, godless" Soviets slaughtered somewhere near 60 million of their own people intentionally, and the "rational, godless" ChiComs managed to hold the Cultural Revolution aka "Kill Your Parents For Mao" that slaughtered untold millions of native Chinese for the sheer crime of simply existing.

It's not religion or lack thereof that cause bad things, it's government power wielded by zealots of *any* stripe.

"Christians" in most cases, especially where I live, now idolize the State, but only that part of it which engages in aggressive warfare (and they are particularly fond of the preemptive murder of Muslims, who dare to believe a bit differently about the invisible sky being[s] than they do). They have turned the faith upside down. It would not be recognizable by its Founder.

I wholly agree that what many Christians worship is not what Jesus upheld. Jesus was also no hippy either though. But you're right, slavishly worshipping the state is a sickness many of them have adopted. But that's their failing, as the tenants of Christianity tend to run counter to "kill everybody with tanks and jet fighters!" last check.

Again, it comes down to the individuals and their own failings or successes. I'd rather have an honest, non-state worshipping Christian in office than I would an agnostic/atheist State Is God Stalin or Mao. Any day of the week. Conversely, an honest and just agnostict/atheist is better than a firebreathing Kill Babies For Jesus warmonger. It always comes back to the individual, with me.

SonOfLiberty  posted on  2009-11-20   9:24:46 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


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Again, it comes down to the individuals and their own failings or successes. I'd rather have an honest, non-state worshipping Christian in office than I would an agnostic/atheist State Is God Stalin or Mao. Any day of the week. Conversely, an honest and just agnostict/atheist is better than a firebreathing Kill Babies For Jesus warmonger. It always comes back to the individual, with me.

very well said. i agree.

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