Title: Internet geeks here! Who can determine how many web spiders/crawlers are on 4um?? Source:
none URL Source:http://none Published:Nov 20, 2009 Author:X-15 Post Date:2009-11-20 03:04:08 by X-15 Keywords:None Views:2810 Comments:170
"Web spiders/crawlers: programs that search websites looking for specific words or patterns to compile into a database."
A popular gun website I visit had 20 running, if 4um has less then I assume it has a lower profile in the eyes of FedGov.
Forgive me Maam for my ignorance or paranoia or stupidity or whatever my problem is, but isn't the fact that there are two different urls mean that there are two different websites? Regardless of how similar they look?
How snarky you are, wudi. Nevertheless, I'll answer you, noting the irony of you calling me rude.
All website servers and all computers (and devices like addressable routers) occupy a dotted-IP address on the internet, just as your own home network has its own range of addresses. So your home network might use the common reserved range of addresses 192.168.0.1 - 192.168.255.255. In other words, a range of 65536 addresses (roughly) are reserved from any server or other LAN using them. So you might use an IP address of 192.168.0.1 for your DSL modem, the router you connect to it might use 192.168.1.1 and then all your home network computers could use addresses in the range 192.168.1.2 - 192.168.1.254.
So a place like libertypost.org has a server with a dotted-IP address too. The dotted-IP address is what you access, the name is just a convenient way to access the actually address.
You can point one domain name to a webserver. Or you can point a million names to a webserver. Or you can point different domain names to different subdirectories of the same server. Or whatever. Domain names don't care what you point them at. And the domain registrars are happy when you buy multiple names so they make more money.
So, using common utilities, you can look up the actual dotted-IP address of LibertyPost.
libertypost.net. 236 IN A 69.55.11.240 libertypost.org. 236 IN A 69.55.11.240
So you can see for yourself that the two names are the same. You can also just use the dotted-IP address since that is what you always end up using anyway. The name only translates to the number.
So try clicking it: 69.55.11.240. Once again, you arrive at LibertyPost. Unless Goldi really is the supersecret hacker of all time.
You can verify these domain names are at these numbers as I've told you by using your Command Prompt on Windows XP (or its equivalent on Vista or Win7). It's found in the Programs->Accessories folder. Once you open it, you can type nslookup to find your own primary, probably a DSL modem or router in your house. You can then enter libertypost.net or libertypost.org or whatever to check for yourself what the IP address really is. Type 'exit' to leave nslookup and then type 'exit' again to dismiss the command prompt and return to Windows. You can also google for 'nslookup' and use the online versions of these but you can't really trust those nslookup sites either because it might be Goldi running them all on her secret Evil Servers. Obviously, you can trust no one. It's really sad.
Of course, Goldi's site, like 4um, runs from a single mySQL database using a bunch of Perl scripts and PHP pages, the most common kind of interactive site. So it is possible that she has two "copies" of her site, one with Good Decent Godfearing code, the other with the Supersecret Evil Goldi-Lox Killer code. So that if you go to libertypost.org, you get the Good Decent Godfearing version and if you go to libertypost.net, you get the Supersecrect Evil Goldi-Lox Killer version.
Now, this whole notion of a good Goldi-server and an evil Goldi-server is somewhat daft. First, Goldi would have to be a lot more sophisticated than she is about servers and writing code. She doesn't do any of that stuff and hasn't even upgraded her older Pinguinite code (written by Neil and available for free) to the newer Pinguinite code that christine uses here which has more features, is more secure, etc. Beyond that, the idea of Goldi-two-servers is rather odd because the first principle of Being Evil is: Don't let anyone figure out that you really are evil.
Now, I can go to any of the three known methods of reaching LibertyPost via libertypost.org or libertypost.net or 69.55.11.240 (among who knows how many other evil versions of LP there are), and the pages are the same, the most recent articles are the same, the most recent comments are the same. And again, I can sign in to any of them and they behave identically.
Now, since everyone but you and a bunch of old cat ladies posting on Usenet or chatting on IRC already knows the above info, then what sense would it make to have the Goldi-two-servers thing? None whatsoever. What would be more interesting would be to have a single server with the two names pointed at it but monitor the access to it by the IP addresses of those you have banned from it. This way, you can be Evil to banned or disliked users but never look Evil to the Chosen People of LibertyPost (those who Goldi hasn't banned, this being 4um, I thought that was fun way to express it). And people on Goldi's ban list are always going to be assumed to be nursing a grudge anyway so no one will believe their accusations. So you might choose to be paranoid and think that Goldi is only running her Supersecret Evil Goldi-Code if you visit her server but she does show no signs of such code or admin sophistication and sneakiness. It really is just her chat board, I think.
But you can believe or make up anything you like if you enjoy that more. But I see no reason to believe that Goldi or Christine are quite so powerful or obsessed over their chat boards as that would require. Now, me posting this much text to you, that might in and of itself seem Quite Evil to some folks despite my obvious benevolent intentions. But then, perhaps paranoid nihilism really is the safest policy and you have to assume that every website and every server and every person is out to get you and that they are also only figments of your own imagination.
Of course, maybe Goldi is Christine and 4um/LP are just two of her servers. Maybe Goldi/Christine is an employee of FBI/NSA/ADL/SPLC and these sites are just honeypots, beginning to end. Let your imagination run wild.
Or maybe Goldi and Christine are just two ladies who run chat forums, as they appear to be.
TooConservative posted on 2009-11-22 8:06:06 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
"The trouble with people is not that they don't know but that they know so much that ain't so." ~ Josh Billings
(from #47) Now, since everyone but you and a bunch of old cat ladies posting on Usenet or chatting on IRC already knows the above info, then what sense would it make to have the Goldi-two-servers thing? None whatsoever. What would be more interesting would be to have a single server with the two names pointed at it but monitor the access to it by the IP addresses of those you have banned from it. This way, you can be Evil to banned or disliked users but never look Evil to the Chosen People of LibertyPost (those who Goldi hasn't banned, this being 4um, I thought that was fun way to express it). And people on Goldi's ban list are always going to be assumed to be nursing a grudge anyway so no one will believe their accusations. So you might choose to be paranoid and think that Goldi is only running her Supersecret Evil Goldi-Code if you visit her server but she does show no signs of such code or admin sophistication and sneakiness. It really is just her chat board, I think.
You two geniuses wanna explain to me how you figure I ever thought any of this?
Stupid people bug me.
"The trouble with people is not that they don't know but that they know so much that ain't so." ~ Josh Billings
I thought maybe it was a duplicate website to get people to sign in so whoever owned it could get their password.
But, I didn't know.
THAT'S WHY I ASKED.
I didn't just go ahead and make assumptions.
I asked questions. I looked into it.
Then TooConservative, in a futile attempt to make herself look like a hero to Gold-Lox, Pinguinite, christine and whoever else she thought she might impress, made it sound as though I was accusing Goldi-Lox of something and had concocted some crazy delusional conspiracy theory in my head.
I wasn't though.
I just wanted to know why there was this 'libertypost.net' when I thought it was suppposed to be libertypost.org.
TooConservative thought she was going to mock and ridicule wudidiz and instead TooConservative got a piece of my mind.
A very small piece.
"The trouble with people is not that they don't know but that they know so much that ain't so." ~ Josh Billings
Oh boy he said snarky. That is so so bad. Look at what you said fool.
Some of these Truthers are quite needy and paranoid. Kind of like a crack baby that screams for attention and then screams when anyone so much as looks them in the eye.
Libertypost.com and libertypost.us are owned by the USPS and that isn't sinister either.
Huh? Who would have known that LP is owned by the Post Office. So there is no real Goldi, it's some person sitting in a post office somewhere running the show. Well that explains why "Goldi" goes "postal" at times I guess.
What sort of detective work did you do to arrive at that conclusion?
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
Or maybe Goldi and Christine are just two ladies who run chat forums, as they appear to be.
Why are you dragging christine into this? Wudidiz wasn't saying anything about 4um domain names, he was talking about libertypost.net and .org, which you apparently think is owned by the post office. Now which is it, does Goldi own LP or is it USPS?
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
#77. To: Lod, Original_Intent, Pinguinite. all (#40)
I don't recall any so-called terrorist plots being busted that didn't involve an FBI agent being proactively involved in the mix somehow.
Rule Number 1: Always assume that the the guy baiting you into doing something illegal is a fed.
Rule Number 2: If you think he isn't, refer to Rule Number 1.
Let me get this straight.
Obama's health care plan shall be written by a committee whose head says he doesn't understand it, passed by a Congress that hasn't read it, signed by a president who smokes and has no birth certificate, funded by a treasury chief who did not pay his taxes, overseen by a surgeon general who is overweight and financed by a country that is nearly broke.
That's the exact thing that crosses my mind when I see these Rambo types posting their intents on a public forum, trying to lure people into "discussing things" with them offline perhaps.
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
Huh? Who would have known that LP is owned by the Post Office. So there is no real Goldi, it's some person sitting in a post office somewhere running the show. Well that explains why "Goldi" goes "postal" at times I guess.
USPS owns libertypost.us and libertypost.com. I can't figure out why but I assume it is historical.
Goldi owns libertypost.org and libertypost.net.
What sort of detective work did you do to arrive at that conclusion?
Umm...I looked them up at GoDaddy.com?
Just enter the domain name and hit Search. When the page comes up to tell you the name is already taken, click the link for info on who owns the domain.
Quite revealing. It's easy to find this stuff out.
USPS owns libertypost.us and libertypost.com. I can't figure out why but I assume it is historical.
My mind played a trick on me and I thought you had written libertypost.ORG and libertypost.us.
But yeah, sort of odd that USPS uses an identical subdomain name.
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
Kind of like a crack baby that screams for attention and then screams when anyone so much as looks them in the eye.
Speaking from personal experience?
And why the cheap shot against those who know the official 9/11 legend is bullshit?
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
Good luck getting a straight answer out of the piece of work calling itself TooConservative.
He (or she) appears to be ignoring me for some reason or another...
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
Either of you ever going to make a meaningful informed post on the topic?
However fulfilling you find making silly ad hominems on me to be, you may recall this thread is about web spiders, how to detect them, what they are, how they operate, etc.?
Other than wudi's delusional notions about various liberty____.___ domain names, do you guys have anything to actually contribute to the topic?
do you guys have anything to actually contribute to the topic?
Perhaps you missed this question. Do you have an answer?
"And why the cheap shot against those who know the official 9/11 legend is bullshit?"
I have no issues with your comments concerning web spiders, however, you decided to divert from that topic, so I'm just asking why, and what do you have to say about it.
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
Because I saw wudi making enemies for the RP movement on other sites because he had to carry the Truther banner and try to associate RP with it, despite the fact that RP himself only favored fuller investigations of 9/11, not any kind of endorsement of MIHOP or LIHOP Trutherism.
BTW, I do not intend to take this thread on an excursion into Trutherism. I am quite familiar with how bitter the adherents are for those who do not find the cut-and-paste Alex Jones articles quite so compelling. I mention it only because wudi got chased off a couple of conservative forums with Truth threads.
Because I saw wudi making enemies for the RP movement on other sites because he had to carry the Truther banner and try to associate RP with it, despite the fact that RP himself only favored fuller investigations of 9/11, not any kind of endorsement of MIHOP or LIHOP Trutherism.
BTW, I do not intend to take this thread on an excursion into Trutherism. I am quite familiar with how bitter the adherents are for those who do not find the cut-and-paste Alex Jones articles quite so compelling. I mention it only because wudi got chased off a couple of conservative forums with Truth threads.
So you decided you'd jump on the bandwagon and be my enemy?
How did I 'make enemies for the RP movement'?
What are these 'other sites' of which you speak?
lol
How was I associating RP with the 'Truther banner'?
What are these 'couple of conservative forums with Truth threads'?
Don't worry now, I don't expect someone as unreasonable and dishonest as yourself to answer any or all of these direct questions.
"The trouble with people is not that they don't know but that they know so much that ain't so." ~ Josh Billings
You called someone a pedophile. THAT isn't even a debatable ban. It's instant and without recourse.
Have a nice life...someplace else.
Goldi-Lox posted on 2009-11-17 00:19:29 ET ReplyTrace
Trying to be a little disingenuous for an audience, wudi? I notice that somehow this thread has also become all about you. What a surprise. But, no, you aren't "needy", not at all.
#96. To: TooConservative, wudidiz, Former Lurker (#91)(Edited)
BTW, I do not intend to take this thread on an excursion into Trutherism. I am quite familiar with how bitter the adherents are for those who do not find the cut-and-paste Alex Jones articles quite so compelling. I mention it only because wudi got chased off a couple of conservative forums with Truth threads
Yet you already have confided in Stone .....one of the bigger flakes in the universe or haven't you visited his website lately?.
There are plenty of discrepancies about 911 that should be discussed especially WTC7, Ron Paul isn't running anymore and I doubt Wudidiz had one iota of influence on him losing when he had enemies such as OReilly, Beck and the GOP establishment to isolate and diss him, and deny him media coverage. Really.... one little poster on a website had such an influence? You are usually better than that.