[Home]  [Headlines]  [Latest Articles]  [Latest Comments]  [Post]  [Sign-in]  [Mail]  [Setup]  [Help] 

Status: Not Logged In; Sign In

Pfizer bribery probe dropped after ex-company lawyer Pam Bondi takes over DOJ in February 2025.

Life Expectancy of Covid-Vaxxed Plunges by 30 Years

Trump Signals Support For New Israeli Attack On Iran Report?

Keir Starmer reveals where his family is really from

(Real) 10 Non-Tax Policies In Trump's Megabill That Will Affect Americans

10 Non-Tax Policies In Trump's Megabill That Will Affect Americans

The Global Debanking Crisis Exposed! Banks Are Now Weapons Against Free Speech

Italian Government Warning of a Super Volcano

Tucker Carlson: Fox News & neo-cons are LYING about Trump and they’re keeping us in endless wars.

Tariff Windfall Drives Surprise $27 Billion US Budget Surplus In June

Tucker Carlson Reveals Who He Thinks Funded Jeffrey Epstein's Crimes

Russia's Dark Future

A Missile Shield for America - A Trillion Dollar Fantasy?

Kentucky School Board Chairman Resigns After Calling for People to ‘Shoot Republicans’

These Are 2025's 'Most Livable' Cities

Nicotine and Fish

Genocide Summer Camp, And Other Notes From The Edge Of The Narrative Matrix

This Can Create Endless Green Energy WITHOUT Electricity

Geoengineering: Who’s Behind It and How We Stop It

Pam Bondi Ordered Prosecution of Dr. Kirk Moore After Refusing to Dismiss Case

California woman bombarded with Amazon packages for over a year

CVS ordered to pay $949 MILLION in Medicaid fraud case.

Starmer has signed up to the UNs agreement to raise taxes in the UK

Magic mushrooms may hold the secret to longevity: Psilocybin extends lifespan by 57% in groundbreaking study

Cops favorite AI tool automatically deletes evidence of when AI was used

Leftist Anti ICE Extremist OPENS FIRE On Cops, $50,000 REWARD For Shooter

With great power comes no accountability.

Auto loan debt hits $1.63T. 20% of buyers now pay $1,000+ monthly. Texas delinquency hits 7.92%.

Quotable Quotes from the Chosenites

Tokara Islands NOW crashing into the Ocean ! Mysterious Swarm continues with OVER 1700 Quakes !


Science/Tech
See other Science/Tech Articles

Title: Study looks at scientific, cultural perspectives on race
Source: PhysOrg
URL Source: http://www.physorg.com/news177701341.html
Published: Nov 17, 2009
Author: UChicago News
Post Date: 2009-11-23 12:53:03 by Prefrontal Vortex
Keywords: None
Views: 101
Comments: 2

Study looks at scientific, cultural perspectives on race

November 17, 2009 (PhysOrg.com) -- A new study compares personal perceptions of race, color and ancestry of Brazilian high school students with the results of genetic ancestry tests, with the aim of investigating the tensions between cultural and scientific conceptions of race. The research, led by Ricardo Ventura Santos of the Federal University of Rio de Janeiro and Oswaldo Cruz foundation, appears in the December issue of Current Anthropology.

Modern genetics can provide detailed information about a person’s geographic ancestry. But most scientists agree that human genetic variation doesn’t correspond neatly with traditional notions about race.

“In recent decades biologists, especially geneticists, have repeatedly stated that the notion of race does not apply to the human species,” Santos and his team write. “On the other hand, social scientists claim that race is highly significant in cultural, historical, and socioeconomic terms because it molds everyday social relations and because it is a powerful motivator for social and political movements based on race differences.”

The tension between scientific and cultural conceptions of race is on full display in Brazil. Brazilians pride themselves on their mixed European, African and Amerindian ancestries. But in recent years, racial inequalities—especially for blacks—have spurred controversial government policies, including racial quotas for government jobs and university admissions. “At the same time,” the researchers write, “the results of genomic studies that emphasize the considerable extent of biological admixture in the Brazilian population have been widely reported in the media …, bringing up further questions about the implementation of public policies based on race.”

In that context, Santos and his team worked with a group of students from a technical high school just outside Rio de Janeiro. The students were asked in a series of questionnaires to categorize their race or color, and to estimate by percentage their geographic ancestry. The students also gave DNA samples that were used for genetic ancestry tests. The researchers then discussed the results with the students.

“The results of the genomic ancestry tests are quite different from the perceived ancestry estimates,” the researchers report. In general, the genomic results showed that the students had far more European ancestry than they had thought.

For example, students who categorized themselves as “black” perceived their ancestry to be, on average, 63 percent African, 19.8 percent Amerindian and 17 percent European. But the genetic tests showed that European ancestry actually dominates among the black students. The tests showed average ancestry as 51.7 percent European, 40.9 percent African and 7.4 percent Amerindian.

Students who saw themselves as “brown” perceived themselves as having roughly equal European, African, and Amerindian ancestry. The genetic test again, however, came out more European—in fact, over 80 percent European. White students, who perceived themselves as having substantial African and Amerindian decent, were shown by the tests to have very little of either.

The students’ reactions to the results varied.

“Students who had classified themselves as white generally declared themselves ‘disappointed’ with the low percentages of African and Amerindian ancestry in their genomic reports,” the authors write. Others were “disconcerted” when their test results showed high European ancestry.

Some were even defiant. “In spite of that high percentage of European ancestry I won’t cease to be ‘black’; never!” one student said.

One student greeted the news with humor.

“One girl, who had classified herself as brown, talked about her ambition to become a ballet dancer; but, according to her, the admission process of ballet companies, especially classical ballet, favored girls with whiter skin,” the researchers write. “She said jokingly that at the next admission exam she was going to dance with the genomic test results glued to her forehead, proving her predominately European ancestry.”

Some addressed issues of public policy and race directly.

“Mine is 96 percent European, 1 percent Amerindian, 3 percent African,” one student said. “I guess the only thing that changes is that I don’t have a chance of getting on the quota.”

There is little doubt the influence of genomics on societies will continue to grow. This study, the authors say, “is pertinent to understanding the complex ways in which information about genetics may be interpreted by the lay public, and why it pervades the politics of race and/or racism affecting national policies designed to promote social inclusion.”

Post Comment   Private Reply   Ignore Thread  


TopPage UpFull ThreadPage DownBottom/Latest

#1. To: Prefrontal Vortex (#0)

“In recent decades biologists, especially geneticists, have repeatedly stated that the notion of race does not apply to the human species,” Santos and his team write. “On the other hand, social scientists claim that race is highly significant in cultural, historical, and socioeconomic terms because it molds everyday social relations and because it is a powerful motivator for social and political movements based on race differences.”

People tend to identify with the group they see themselves a member of. Whether it be a ball club, a city, region, state, or race. We are all members of groups and loyalty and defense of the group is a normal. Witness all the banners flying during Football season for whatever team someone considers "their" team. Group loyalty in most cases is either harmless or a laudable survival trait.

When carried to extremes we have other names for it. One of the milder ones is "parochialism".

As well "Group Loyalty" is not the only dimension to existence and one could as well include survival of self, of family, of humanity as a whole, etc., .... All are essential parts of our nature and existence.

Some were even defiant. “In spite of that high percentage of European ancestry I won’t cease to be ‘black’; never!” one student said.

Thus demonstrating very clearly that much of what we think of as "race" is actually culture and self identification with a given group. In other words if someone thinks of themselves as a member of a given group, and are accepted by that group, then they are a member of that group regardless of other factors and genetics (materialism) becomes irrelevant except as a curiosity.

"An education isn't how much you have committed to memory, or even how much you know. It's being able to differentiate between what you know and what you don't. ~ Anatole France

Original_Intent  posted on  2009-11-23   13:08:15 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#2. To: Prefrontal Vortex (#0)

“In spite of that high percentage of European ancestry I won’t cease to be ‘black’; never!”

....said Barry Hussein Obama.

_________________________________________________________________________
"This man is Jesus,” shouted one man, spilling his Guinness as Barack Obama began his inaugural address. “When will he come to Kenya to save us?”

“The best and first guarantor of our neutrality and our independent existence is the defensive will of the people…and the proverbial marksmanship of the Swiss shooter. Each soldier a good marksman! Each shot a hit!”
-Schweizerische Schuetzenzeitung (Swiss Shooting Federation) April, 1941

X-15  posted on  2009-11-23   16:08:36 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


TopPage UpFull ThreadPage DownBottom/Latest


[Home]  [Headlines]  [Latest Articles]  [Latest Comments]  [Post]  [Sign-in]  [Mail]  [Setup]  [Help]