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Title: Breaking: Jim Traficant guest on John Stadtmiller's Show Today 4 p.m. CST
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Published: Dec 1, 2009
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Post Date: 2009-12-01 19:02:00 by christine
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#1. To: christine (#0)

Thank you.

Is the internet the only way to get RBN here?

Lod  posted on  2009-12-01   19:42:26 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

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Jethro Tull  posted on  2009-12-01   19:54:07 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

93.3 FM from Round Rock. Too far for me.

christine  posted on  2009-12-01   20:00:52 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

Thanks. A new one for me, and I'll give it a try.

Lod  posted on  2009-12-01   20:06:39 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

Traficant needs to get his feet wet soon. Waiting is what broke the wagon.

Cynicom  posted on  2009-12-01   20:07:42 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

Waiting is what broke the wagon water.

Lod  posted on  2009-12-01   20:10:17 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

Somehow, I get the impression that Traficant will NOT come out with both barrels blazing. I have been disappointed so far.

Palin is a lost cause, and Paul is a footnote in history.

Cynicom  posted on  2009-12-01   20:16:01 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

bttt

christine  posted on  2009-12-02   15:03:42 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

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Jethro Tull  posted on  2009-12-02   17:01:16 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

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To quote from Gladiator....

"Are you not entertained?! Are you not entertained?! Is this not why you are here?!"

Jethro Tull  posted on  2009-12-02   17:18:41 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

he's outstanding. he said he's got a lot of national support. please run independent, Jim.

christine  posted on  2009-12-02   17:23:27 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

blogs.myspace.com/index.c...d=962474&blogId=153781752

"We Own America, and they know it..." - Arial Sharon

To quote from Gladiator....

"Are you not entertained?! Are you not entertained?! Is this not why you are here?!"

Jethro Tull  posted on  2009-12-02   17:23:47 ET  (2 images) Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

Great interview so far!

Thanks for the link.

randge  posted on  2009-12-02   17:33:32 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

Was that you?

Good question, regardless.

Lod  posted on  2009-12-02   17:41:00 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

did u hear what he said about Ron Paul and his audit the fed effort?

kudos, john for getting JT on and you're doing a great interview.

christine  posted on  2009-12-02   17:45:45 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

www.americanfreepress.net...demjanjuk_fights_201.html

DEMJANJUK FIGHTS FOR LIFE

Former Rep. Jim Traficant is again going to bat for an Ohio workman accused of being a Nazi camp guard

By Jim Traficant

John Demjanjuk is a retired auto worker from Cleveland. He was born in Ukraine, served in World War II as a Russian soldier, was captured and held as a prisoner of war. Demjanjuk57;s captors were soldiers of the German army. Today, as you read this column, Demjanjuk is standing trial for his very life once again. He is facing another Nazi war crimes indictment.

Think about the dynamics of this dilemma for John Demjanjuk. He57;s being tried in Germany, by the very country who captured him. They say he was a Nazi war criminal. I don57;t know about you, but on its surface it just doesn57;t add up.

Demjanjuk is not a war criminal and certainly was never a Nazi. I can  remember my first acknowledgment of the 60;Demjanjuk61; ordeal. It seems like yesterday. I was in my Washington, D.C. office in the old Cannon Building in the late 56;80s. One of my staffers came into my office in a sort of cloak-and- dagger mode stating that the 60;son of convicted Nazi mass murderer 56;Ivan the Terrible57; is in the reception room, and we told him you are not here.61; I then inquired of his purpose to meet with me, since I was not his congressman. I was then informed that young John Demjanjuk Jr. told them that he has 60;been to every office in the House and Senate, and no one would even speak with him because the matter was too sensitive.61;

John Demjanjuk Jr. further stated that 60;they did not want to involve Jim Traficant61; because they said that they 60;knew the government hated him, but he57;s our last resort for any help.61;

My staffer said, 60;Do not meet with him; you57;ll be ostracized, destroyed, ruined. Let him go back to his own congressman and the two senators of Ohio.61;

My staff further advised that I was probably already targeted by the powerful Israeli lobby, since I was an opponent of foreign aid, and certainly my involvement with John Demjanjuk would guarantee that American Israeli Public Affairs Committee [AIPAC] would not quit till I was removed from Congress.


I went to the door so I could overhear the conversation between John Demjanjuk Jr. and my staff. I could feel the pain in his voice. John Demjanjuk Jr. finally stated: 60;My dad57;s not asking to meet with anyone. I57;m asking, and I57;ve never even had a parking ticket. What kind of government is this, that I can57;t even talk to my elected officials about my family57;s grave concerns?61;

I then ordered my staff to bring John Demjanjuk Jr. and his brother-in-law Ed Nishnic into my office. My staff told me this decision would destroy my
career in Congress. I met John Demjanjuk Jr. and Ed Nishnic and offered them a seat to discuss their problems.

John Demjanjuk Jr. is a fine young man, a son any father would be proud of. His demeanor was that of a troubled and worried young man. He was accompanied by his brother-in-law Ed Nishnic and basically let Ed Nishnic explain their plight.

Ed Nishnic is also a remarkable man. Like John Demjanjuk Jr. he57;s very intelligent and was very determined to prove the innocence of his father-in-law. I stated emphatically, that 60;I57;ve decided to meet with you for one reason and one reason only: No American should ever be turned away when seeking help from our government.61; I then said, 60;Your dad has been convicted of mass murder, the extermination of one million Jewish prisoners. He has been sentenced to death. I want you to know up front, that if he is really guilty I could personally pull the switch at his execution.61;

I then told them I would hear their concerns. (Be advised that the mainstream media wrote that 60;Jim Traficant supports Nazi mass murderer61; as soon as word spread that I had met with the 60;Demjanjuk61; family.)

Nishnic handed me two report summaries of OSI investigators (Office of Special Investigations, the group within the Justice Department created by Congress to apprehend and prosecute Nazi war criminals). They had interrogated one Otto Horn in Berlin, Germany. Horn was a former SS Nazi guard who had assisted 60;Ivan Grozny61; (Ivan the Terrible), at the Treblinka, Poland concentration camps.

These two reports were originals, not copies, and were signed by agents Garand and Daugherty, and were witnessed by prosecutor Moscovitz, who handled the denaturalization trial of John Demjanjuk in Cleveland. The reports were stamped as received by the Justice Department and signed by unit chief Eli Rosenbaum.

I read the documents very carefully without input from John Demjanjuk Jr. or Ed Nishnic. I could not believe my eyes. I could not believe what I was reading. The Justice Department had committed a great crime. Moscovitz, Garand and Daugherty suborned the perjury of Otto Horn in order to convict an American citizen wrongfully52;an American now denaturalized, stripped of his citizenship and waiting to be executed. (The authenticity of these two documents cannot be denied.)

At trial, Horn stated that 60;John Demjanjuk was Ivan Grozny.61; But in these two early reports, two years before the trial, Horn could not identify Demjanjuk from the photographs displayed before him.

I had a problem. A big problem. I knew without a doubt that John Demjanjuk was not Ivan the Terrible. John Demjanjuk was in fact another victim, soon to be known as one of the most vicious and infamous mass murderers in world history. John Demjanjuk was awaiting execution as the infamous Ivan of Treblinka, Ivan the Terrible.

I would be defamed and ostracized because I would be compelled to prove the innocence of John Demjanjuk on the strength of these two Justice Department documents. John Demjanjuk was innocent52;convicted of mass murder, sentenced to death and awaiting execution52;and no one seemed to care.

I thought, what has happened to our great country that it could produce this type of brutal crime against this American and his family?

I realized I had a difficult task ahead, but with the help of John Demjanjuk Jr. and Ed Nishnic, I believed we could prove John Demjanjuk57;s innocence. It was imperative to do so. I had these two powerful documents to start with.

Otto Horn57;s testimony at the Cleveland denaturalization trial (via videotape) was very direct. Horn had been shown a series of photographs when interrogated in Berlin.

Moscovitz spread eight photos of Caucasian males in uniform, all in their early 2057;s. Horn testified that he identified John Demjanjuk immediately. Moscovitz then spread eight more photos of Caucasian soldiers in uniform, but now in their 4057;s. Horn again testified that he identified John Demjanjuk, even as an older man, because he knew him so well. Horn57;s testimony stripped John Demjanjuk of his citizenship, and he was sent to Israel to stand trial as Ivan the Terrible.

Now, back to the two reports of Horn57;s interrogation in Berlin two years earlier. Garand and Daugherty wrote in their reports immediately after their interview with Horn: 60;We spread eight photos of Caucasian men in uniform, all in their early 2057;s. Horn studied the photos at length and stated that 56;one man looks familiar57; [not John Demjanjuk] but FAILED to identify anyone.61;

The report goes on:

60;We then gathered the eight photos and put them in a stack with John Demjanjuk57;s on top. We then spread eight more photos of older men in uniform with John Demjanjuk57;s photo among them. Horn studied these photos at length, and looking at the John Demjanjuk photo on top of the stack, then back to John Demjanjuk57;s photo in the older soldiers spread, said that 56;this is the same man57; but FAILED again to identify John Demjanjuk as Ivan.61;

Be advised that Horn lied through his teeth, and U.S. prosecutor Moscovitz allowed it. Horn later testified at the Israeli trial that he positively identified John Demjanjuk from the photo spreads. When the defense team crossed-examined Horn, they asked if he could see the first photo spread when he was examining the second set. Horn testified:

60;They put the first set of photographs in an envelope and removed them from my view.61; Horn lied again. John Demjanjuk was convicted, and sentenced to death.

I immediately began my own investigation by utilizing a number of FOIA [Freedom of Information Act] requests on John Demjanjuk. The government response was 60;classified61;; thus I got nothing. At this point I conferred with John Demjanjuk Jr. and Nishnic to evaluate what options were available. We came up with a plan.

We decided to research any and all legal activity that involved the Treblinka camp. BINGO. We discovered that a Ukrainian-American from Chicago, by the name of Feodor Federenko, had been tried for war crimes at Treblinka. Federenko was acquitted. He then traveled to his homeland to visit his family, but was arrested by the Soviet KGB, was tried again in Russia, was convicted and executed. [No doubt our government arranged his demise].

I immediately sent out a new FOIA request, this time on Federenko. Most agencies threw my FOIAs in the wastebasket, but the State Department sent me two telegrams:

The first was from one of our OSI agents in Europe seeking information about Treblinka. The second was the response from the State Department listing the names of four men who had made statements about Treblinka. At the bottom of this was the following; 60;if you need further help, be advised we have another 100 pages in the file.61;

I acted immediately. I phoned the State Department and reached a Mrs. Poindexter, an honest, competent government worker. I asked her to send me those 100 pages, citing the fact that Federenko was deceased and his case was not 60;classified.61; Mrs. Poindexter complied.

Those 100 pages saved the life of John Demjanjuk. They contained the testimony of 17 witnesses about Treblinka.

All 17 identified 60;Ivan61;:

1. He was taller than John Demjanjuk;

2. He had dark hair, not blond like John Demjanjuk;

3. He was nine years older than John Demjanjuk;

4. He had a long scar on his neck.

There was also a photo of two SS Nazi guards who had been identified by one of the witnesses, who said: 60;The short guard with pistol is Tkachuk. The tall guard is the man the Jewish prisoners feared the most, 56;Ivan Grozny57;52;IVAN MARCHENKO.61;

All 17 witnesses identified a man named Ivan Marchenko as 60;Ivan the Terrible.61;

I asked Congress for a hearing. Congress refused, the case was 60;too sensitive.61; The federal courts would not accept my evidence. I took my evidence to the floor of Congress. I said John Demjanjuk was not 60;Ivan the Terrible.61; A man named Ivan Marchenko was the real 60;Ivan.61;

That night, the U.S. Justice Department issued a statement that 60;there were two Ivans.61;

The next day I released the photo of  Marchenko. The Justice Department was silent.

I then forwarded all my evidence to John Demjanjuk57;s defense team in Israel, who then submitted it in to the Israeli Supreme Court.

I flew to Israel with John Demjanjuk Jr. and Ed Nishnic, at my own expense. I did a live interview with Bryant Gumbel on the Today show. I stated that if Israel executed John Demjanjuk that Israel will lose $20 billion a year from U.S. taxpayers. Gumbel said that 60;Israel only gets $3 billion a year.61; I countered, 60;That57;s just the foreign aid bill, Bryant. Israel gets military aid, loans, loans converted to grants, and trade compacts and other money. I say that Israel gets $20,000 for every man, woman and child from America every year.61;

The interview was over.

I was phoned the following night and was told that John Demjanjuk would be released and delivered to me at the Tel Aviv Airport. We took him home.

I called a press conference for New York. While the press gathered, I ducked out with John Demjanjuk on a small plane. When approaching Cleveland, I directed the pilot to seek a landing pattern at the airport, then directed the flight to a small airstrip near Independence, Ohio, thus eluding the press.

John Demjanjuk went to a safehouse, He was home. I flew toWashington.The next day the Sixth Circuit Court in Cincinnati, Ohio issued the following statement; 60;A TRAGIC BUT HONEST MISTAKE BY OUR GOVERNMENT.61;

That was no mistake. Moscovitz, Garand and Daugherty should have been sent to prison. I said then, 60;Since when did sensitivity waive our Bill
of Rights?61; When we allow the rights of one American to be violated, we endanger the rights of all Americans.

Germany should send John Demjanjuk home. How, in God57;s name, can Germany accept any evidence from the U.S. Justice Department who suborned perjury in the first trial, withheld evidence, obstructed justice, and violated John Demjanjuk57;s civil rights?

SHAME ON GERMANY AND SHAME ON THE U.S.A. What has happened to our great country?

James A. (Jim) Traficant, Jr. was born in Youngstown, Ohio on May 8, 1941. He received B.S. and M.S. degrees from the University of Pittsburgh, where he was a well-known football star. He also received a M.S. degree from Youngstown State University in 1976. For ten years he served as executive director of the Mahoning County (Ohio) Drug Program and from 1981-1985 he served as sheriff of Mahoning County, prior to his election to the U.S. Congress as a Democrat in 1984. He was re-elected by overwhelming margins every year up until 2002 when, following his conviction on trumped up corruption charges, he was expelled from the House of Representatives. Despite his conviction and expulsion and being sent to prison for a seven year term Traficant still won 15% of the vote running for re-election to the House in the 2002 election as an independent. He recently completed a seven-year prison sentence, having refused to seek a pardon or clemency, refusing to admit to or apologize for crimes he did not commit.

To quote from Gladiator....

"Are you not entertained?! Are you not entertained?! Is this not why you are here?!"

Jethro Tull  posted on  2009-12-02   17:48:19 ET  (2 images) Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

216.240.133.177/archives3...iller_1_120209_160000.mp3

christine  posted on  2009-12-02   20:09:06 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

thanks for that one

Itistoolate  posted on  2009-12-02   20:13:38 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

yw.

this would be a good one to burn on CDs and distribute.

christine  posted on  2009-12-02   20:15:17 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

along with Greta's interview

Itistoolate  posted on  2009-12-02   20:17:25 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

This interview is a lot more important than what Goldi decides to do with her forum. Listen if you can.

To quote from Gladiator....

"Are you not entertained?! Are you not entertained?! Is this not why you are here?!"

Jethro Tull  posted on  2009-12-02   20:23:43 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

True...

However our ONE poster that knows Traficant personally has already left 4um because of the LP nonsense.

One by one, off they go.

Cynicom  posted on  2009-12-02   20:26:19 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

Kay Griggs

"Kay Griggs, wife of colonel George Griggs, USMC (retired USMC Commandant): 29th Commandant of the Marine Corps, found her husband's diary, which contains details of homosexual blackmail in the top ranks of the US Marine Corps and names leading politicians and military leaders. Kay Griggs's information about the US government also comes from observations and people she met. She exposes initiation rituals, the raping of young men and blackmail and murders to keep people quiet. Much of this, according to Griggs, is related to secret society activity and she names figures like Henry Kissinger and a string of other top government individuals."(Google Video Description)

Kay Griggs Talks: Desperate Wives (Blackmail in US Government 1 of 2 (3 Hours 43 Minutes April 7, 2006)) watch video >> www.stopthenorthamericanu...eos/Blackmail1.html#Title

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Kay Griggs Talks: Desperate Wives (Blackmail in US Government 2 of 2 (3 Hours 33 Minutes, April 7, 2006)) watch video >> www.stopthenorthamericanu...eos/Blackmail2.html#Title

Itistoolate  posted on  2009-12-02   20:36:17 ET  (1 image) Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

I will admit that I am fascinated with Jim, from back when he was on Hannity all of the time.

So what are his very strongest points in your opinion? (or anyone's opinion) :)

diva betsy ross  posted on  2009-12-02   20:42:38 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

Recall the JFK speech about secret societies???

Cynicom  posted on  2009-12-02   20:44:39 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

we posted it here numerous times

Itistoolate  posted on  2009-12-02   20:47:34 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

I often wished we knedw who and what he had in mind.

Cynicom  posted on  2009-12-02   20:48:51 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

Itistoolate  posted on  2009-12-02   20:54:09 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

listen to what he says about who controls the government and what he says about abolishing (not auditing) the FedRes and, third, IRS (income tax).

christine  posted on  2009-12-02   20:54:38 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

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wudidiz  posted on  2009-12-02   20:58:30 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

JFK - ON SECRET SOCIETIES AND FREEDOM OF THE PRESS

wudidiz  posted on  2009-12-02   21:00:53 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

I do remember watching him before he went to prison. He really did make some great points back then.

I recall that he was after Clinton about the mortgage rate scam and how it would ruin the economy.. and he was right.

diva betsy ross  posted on  2009-12-02   21:07:05 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

thanks wud.

Cynicom  posted on  2009-12-02   21:10:08 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

IMO, the strongest point Jim made was a need (and desire) to launch a 3rd party. His plan is outlined in the one hour interview linked here. What now remains is how to get him a spot on RBN so he can launch it. It's going to take money, time and effort, but there's never been a better time. I hope we can pull this together for him.

To quote from Gladiator....

"Are you not entertained?! Are you not entertained?! Is this not why you are here?!"

Jethro Tull  posted on  2009-12-02   21:12:13 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

If one tells the truth about the Jews, such as “The Jews own Hollywood” (something they admit to each other), or “The Jews own the media” (something they brag about among themselves), one is considered an “anti-Semite.”

Itistoolate  posted on  2009-12-02   21:17:56 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

If one tells the truth about the Jews, such as “The Jews own Hollywood” (something they admit to each other), or “The Jews own the media” (something they brag about among themselves), one is considered an “anti-Semite.”

If you consider a Jew by culture then you would be correct and an anti semite.

Many people do not understand that the term anti-semite is an OFFENSIVE WEAPON used by Jews, NOT a defensive weapon. Once you deny you are anti semetic they have you cornered.

There are hundreds of millions of true Semites and I have no problem with them.

Cynicom  posted on  2009-12-02   21:23:56 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

I am downloading the interview- but it is taking forever. I am on a weak signal tonight for some reason- I will listen.

I agree with 3rd party. I thought it was a good idea back when Perot ran. :)

It will be interesting to see what happens for the next election, to see which way people are moving. As recent polls show- the country is majority conservative.. so then what has prevented us from having a conservative candidate??

Answer: The GOP.

They need to go. We have known it for so long- but, like you said, it takes money and.. I believe it needs a superstar. People also want the feel good stuff they got with Clinton (Don;t stop thinking about tomorrow) and Obama (The Audacity of Hope).. or else we just end up with Perot, and his humorless charts all over again.

SO this is an excellent twist to the story, IMO. Jim could prove to be enticing, with that personality of his. Interesting.

diva betsy ross  posted on  2009-12-02   21:24:53 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

link to archive of Traficant above

christine  posted on  2009-12-03   14:13:34 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

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