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War, War, War See other War, War, War Articles Title: McChrystal: Offer Taliban Chance To Quit The Fight "With Dignity" KABUL — The top U.S. commander in Afghanistan said Wednesday that the Afghan government and its international partners should use the coming 18 months to convince the Taliban they can't win and offer militants a way to quit the insurgency "with dignity." Gen. Stanley McChrystal made the call after President Barack Obama announced he was sending 30,000 more U.S. troops to the unpopular war. If conditions are right, Obama said American troops could begin leaving Afghanistan in 18 months. The Afghan government welcomed Obama's announcement but cautioned against setting a deadline for handing over security to Afghan forces and starting to withdraw. In a statement, the Taliban said Obama's plan was "no solution for the problems of Afghanistan" and would give the insurgents an opportunity "to increase their attacks and shake the American economy which is already facing crisis." Reaction among Afghans and U.S. soldiers was mixed, with many wondering whether the Afghan government can meet the challenges of fighting both corruption and the insurgents and whether the surge means more Afghan civilians will die. "I am asking America `What did you do for the last eight years against your enemies? You have killed Afghans and your enemies have killed Afghans. It seems you are weak and the enemy is strong. Will you defeat the enemy this time?" said Haji Anwar Khan, a white-bearded resident of Kandahar in Afghanistan's violent south. Shortly after Obama's speech, McChrystal told reporters the 18-month timetable was enough time to build up Afghan forces and convince the people of this war-ravaged country that they can eventually take care of their own security. He said the Afghan government and the coalition should also use that period "to convince the Taliban and the people from whom they recruit that they cannot win – that there is not a way for the insurgency to win militarily." At the same time, he said the U.S. should support the Afghan government in a reintegration program to allow insurgents a way to return to society. "I think they should be faced with the option to come back if they are willing to come back under the constitution of Afghanistan – that they can come back with dignity," he said. "If you look at the end of most civil wars and insurgencies, I think that everybody needs a chance to come back with dignity and respect and rejoin society. I think that will be important for us to look forward to." McChrystal said he met Wednesday with President Hamid Karzai for nearly an hour and described the Afghan leader's reaction as "really positive." "The president was very upbeat, very resolute this morning," he said. "I really believe that everybody's got a focus now that's sharper than it was 24 hours ago." But Interior Minister Hanif Atmar said 18 month timeframe was too short for a complete handoff from international forces. "That kind of time frame will give us momentum," Atmar said. "We are hoping that there will be clarity in terms of long-term growth needs of the Afghan national security forces and what can be achieved in 18 months." In neighboring Pakistan, Obama's speech drew a lukewarm reaction. Key al-Qaida leaders including Osama bin Laden are believed to have taken refuge in Pakistan, and Obama's announcement of a tentative date to begin withdrawing U.S. troops could deter Pakistan from cracking down on Taliban fighters using Pakistani territory as a safe haven. "The Americans would like to keep the pressure on the Pakistan army to chase the militants all over the tribal regions, but Pakistan of course has to see whether it's feasible," said Dr. Riffat Hussain, a professor of Defense Studies at Quaid-e-Azam University in Islamabad. "It seems Pakistan prefers the incremental approach." In Brussels, NATO Secretary-General Anders Fogh Rasmussen said he expects the allies to boost the NATO-led force by more than 5,000 soldiers. He said the best way to overcome widespread public opposition to the war in Europe is by demonstrating progress on the battlefield. Capt. Mark Reel from Norfolk, Virginia, U.S. military civil affairs officer deployed in Wardak province, west of Kabul, said more troops mean nothing unless they can give local Afghans a sense of perceived security. "They have to believe they are more secure. You get thousands of troops on some of these bases here, but what are they really doing? The troops just have to get out there (in the field)." The reason the surge worked in Iraq, he said, is because troops were able to get into the field and make Iraqis feel safer. More than 850 members of the U.S. military have died in Afghanistan, Pakistan and Uzbekistan as a result of the U.S. invasion of Afghanistan in late 2001, according to the Defense Department. Of those, the military reports nearly 660 were killed by hostile action. NATO reported that the latest member of the U.S. forces to die was killed in eastern Afghanistan on Tuesday when his patrol was attacked by insurgents. Davood Moradian, senior adviser to the Afghan Ministry of Foreign Affairs, welcomed Obama's statement but cautioned against comparing the wars in Afghanistan and Iraq. "We are very pleased and support President Obama's analysis that Afghanistan is not Vietnam. But I think Afghanistan is not Iraq. Therefore, we have to be very careful about that," he said. Ghulam Haider Hamidi, the mayor of Kandahar in southern Afghanistan where a large chunk of the new U.S. forces will be deployed, cited corruption – which Karzai has pledged to fight – as the worst problem facing his nation. "The biggest problem is corruption in the Afghan government, police and military but also in some of the companies coming from the United States, Canada and England and Germany," Hamidi said. "There is corruption and drug dealing by the people who are in power, within the police and the military." Hamidi said just last month he was told that Taliban were sleeping in the police barracks. "The police are taking money from both sides – the government and the Taliban," he said. "When we have this kind of police and military, the Afghan problem won't be solved in 20 years." He also said that safe havens next door in Pakistan have to be shut down if Afghanistan's insurgency is to be curbed. On Wednesday, a suicide attacker struck Pakistan's naval headquarters in Islamabad, the capital of Pakistan, which has been hit with a series of bombings in recent months by Islamist militants. "More American troops will mean more violence," said Pakistani engineering student Ammar Ahmed, 20. "It will worsen the situation both in Afghanistan and Pakistan."
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#1. To: christine (#0)
They are made of sterner stuff, and are not afraid of Ragnarok. The least of them is more of a man than President Spider Monkey. Our soldiers, fighting an unjust war, will never match their resolve. What dignity is there in such men surrendering to men of inferior resolve? It seems you are weak and the enemy is strong. Will you defeat the enemy this time? It would not be undignified, it would be ludicrous! Is McChrystal really that dumb, or is this for domestic consumption?
If a nation expects to be diverse and free, it expects what never was and never will be.
More idiocy. They don't have to win. He does. All they have to do is not lose.
If a nation expects to be diverse and free, it expects what never was and never will be.
Thus it has always been when protecting your country from invaders.
If McChrystal's not that dumb, then, what is this, a fig leaf for public consumption? What would happen if this was followed by a false flag domestic attack? Would the two combined be considered by the public sufficient grounds for genocide?
If a nation expects to be diverse and free, it expects what never was and never will be.
I don't know. Echoing PCR's brilliant essay today, we should give the money to the MIC to do nothing. It would save lives and treasures around the world.
What dignity is there in such men surrendering to men of inferior resolve? I had the same thought. How can our so called "leaders" be so utterly clueless about those they claim to know well enough to fight? "With dignity"? Christ, like they give a rats ass. These folks strap bombs to themselves and slaughter unarmed people on the orders of parched lip old men in caves, wtf do they care about dignity? Dignity is a human construct, and they are fighting (in their view) a war for God, which is the ultimate highest purpose. Settling for less than the highest "good" would be against their entire lives upbringings. How can the idiots over here not get that? I suspect that they do, this is to frame up Obama as some kind of man of peace, so he can say he tried everything when the troops don't pull out 3 years from now.
MapQuest really needs to start their directions on #5. Pretty sure I know how to get out of my neighborhood.
He COULD just declare Victory and leave. Just leave a few units of Special Forces and all of the Predator Units behind and take out the Taliban and AlQuida leaders. Use the Predators to spot them, and the SF to take them out. I noted in one source that the numbers we're fighting are approx. 20,000 Taliban and 1-200 AlQuida with our total NATO of 100,000 troops. But, then that doesn't stimulate our economy.
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