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Title: Blessed are the conservative in Bible translation (The fundie-nuts are at it again)
Source: AP
URL Source: http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/us_rel_conservative_bible
Published: Dec 3, 2009
Author: TOM BREEN
Post Date: 2009-12-03 12:26:49 by F.A. Hayek Fan
Keywords: None
Views: 320
Comments: 11

CHARLESTON, W.Va. – The Gospel of Luke records that, as he was dying on the cross, Jesus showed his boundless mercy by praying for his killers this way: "Father, forgive them; for they know not what they do."

Not so fast, say contributors to the Conservative Bible Project.

The project, an online effort to create a Bible suitable for contemporary conservative sensibilities, claims Jesus' quote is a disputed addition abetted by liberal biblical scholars, even if it appears in some form in almost every translation of the Bible.

The project's authors argue that contemporary scholars have inserted liberal views and ahistorical passages into the Bible, turning Jesus into little more than a well-meaning social worker with a store of watered-down platitudes.

"Professors are the most liberal group of people in the world, and it's professors who are doing the popular modern translations of the Bible," said Andy Schlafly, founder of Conservapedia.com, the project's online home.

Experts who have devoted their careers to unraveling the ancient texts of the Scriptures, many in long-extinct languages, are predictably skeptical about a project by amateur translators.

"This is not making scripture understandable to people today, it's reworking scripture to support a particular political or social agenda," said Timothy Paul Jones, a professor at the Southern Baptist Theological Seminary in Louisville, Ky., who calls himself a theological conservative.

Religious publishers already provide an alphabet soup of Bible translations for a range of theological outlooks, from the King James Version (KJV) to the Revised Standard Version (RSV) and beyond. The most widely used traditional translations were overseen by scholars who are considered the best minds in conservative Christianity.

"The phrase 'theological conservative' does not mean that someone is politically conservative," said Schlafly, who lives in Far Hills, N.J.

This liberal slanting, Schlafly argues, ranges from changing gendered language — Jesus calling his disciples to be "fishers of people" rather than "fishers of men" — to more subtle choices, like the 2001 English Standard Version of the Bible, which uses "comrade" and "laborer" more often than the conservative-friendly "volunteer."

Contributors to the project aren't arguing on ideological grounds alone. The discussion forum on the site is full of discourse on Greek grammar, along with arguments long familiar to Biblical scholars about the history of certain passages.

Take the famous passage from Luke: the Conservative Bible Project omits it not only because it's "a favorite of liberals," but because there's some dispute over its authenticity, based on the manuscripts it appears in.

Jones, the professor, said while some early Greek manuscripts omit Jesus' words, others include them.

"There are so many factors to consider when looking at that, but here it gets boiled down to 'liberals put it in,'" he said. "You've got people who are doing this who have probably never looked at an actual ancient manuscript."

In some ways, the Conservative Bible Project reflects an ancient debate over Scripture. The Bible as it's known today more or less took final shape in the 4th century after hundreds of years of debate over which books were canonical.

The debate flared up again during the Protestant Reformation, when Martin Luther fruitlessly yearned to cut the Book of James because of its fairly explicit contradiction of his belief that salvation could be attained by faith alone.

"People have always done this with the Bible," said Philip Jenkins, a professor of history and religious studies at Pennsylvania State University. "Virtually everyone in a mainstream Protestant or Roman Catholic church in the United States is reading a doctored version of the Bible."

Jenkins is referring to the Revised Common Lectionary, a selection of biblical texts read in worship services that amounts to about a third of the full text.

Schlafly's project is distinctive, though, because non-experts collaborate Wiki-style on the Internet to produce their version.

"The best of the public is better than a group of experts," said Schlafly, whose mother, Phyllis, is a longtime conservative activist known for her opposition to the Equal Rights Amendment.

Jones says the project is a misguided effort to read contemporary politics back into the text.

"Ironically, there's a long tradition of the liberal twisting of scripture," Jones said. "Scholars have rightly deemed those translations illegitimate, and this conservative Bible is every bit as illegitimate."

The Bible's roots in a dizzying variety of ancient manuscripts require a lifetime of dedication to master, said the Rev. Frank Matera, a professor at the Catholic University of America in Washington, D.C., and a former president of the Catholic Biblical Association of America.

"There's a little Italian proverb, 'Every translator is a traitor,'" Matera said. "Most Bible translations are usually done by a group of scholars, precisely so they can balance out each other. It's not something that everybody can do."

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#1. To: F.A. Hayek Fan (#0)

Could be a great project.

Are they going to change "love your enemy?" Because the current colloquial understanding has nothing at all to do with the Greek version, and is part of the anti-white program.

If a nation expects to be diverse and free, it expects what never was and never will be.

Prefrontal Vortex  posted on  2009-12-03   13:36:13 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#2. To: Prefrontal Vortex (#1)

Are they going to change "love your enemy?" Because the current colloquial understanding has nothing at all to do with the Greek version, and is part of the anti-white program.

Considering that the fundi-nuts are involved, my first assumption is that they are going to try and turn Jesus into some sort of war God.

"The Central Intelligence Agency owns everyone of any significance in the major media." ~ William Colby, Director, CIA 1973–1976

The purpose of the legal system is to protect the elites from the wrath of those they plunder.- Elliott Jackalope

"When plunder becomes a way of life for a group of men living together in society, they create for themselves in the course of time a legal system that authorizes it and a moral code that justifies it." - Frederic Bastiat

F.A. Hayek Fan  posted on  2009-12-03   13:44:50 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#3. To: F.A. Hayek Fan (#2)

Well, to be fair, the traditional Western paintings/pictures of Jesus are nothing more than a toga wearing gooey eyed Thor.

MapQuest really needs to start their directions on #5. Pretty sure I know how to get out of my neighborhood.

SonOfLiberty  posted on  2009-12-03   13:46:40 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#4. To: SonOfLiberty (#3)

Well, to be fair, the traditional Western paintings/pictures of Jesus are nothing more than a toga wearing gooey eyed Thor.

And they do call Jesus the Lamb of God. It is well known that the lamb is amongst the world's most vicious animals.

"The Central Intelligence Agency owns everyone of any significance in the major media." ~ William Colby, Director, CIA 1973–1976

The purpose of the legal system is to protect the elites from the wrath of those they plunder.- Elliott Jackalope

"When plunder becomes a way of life for a group of men living together in society, they create for themselves in the course of time a legal system that authorizes it and a moral code that justifies it." - Frederic Bastiat

F.A. Hayek Fan  posted on  2009-12-03   13:49:36 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#5. To: F.A. Hayek Fan (#4)

It is well known that the lamb is amongst the world's most vicious animals.

They're nearly as bloodthirsty as rabbits. Hey, btw, do some call you...Tim? :)

MapQuest really needs to start their directions on #5. Pretty sure I know how to get out of my neighborhood.

SonOfLiberty  posted on  2009-12-03   13:51:29 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#6. To: SonOfLiberty (#5)

Hey, btw, do some call you...Tim? :)

I'm afraid you lost me on that one.

"The Central Intelligence Agency owns everyone of any significance in the major media." ~ William Colby, Director, CIA 1973–1976

The purpose of the legal system is to protect the elites from the wrath of those they plunder.- Elliott Jackalope

"When plunder becomes a way of life for a group of men living together in society, they create for themselves in the course of time a legal system that authorizes it and a moral code that justifies it." - Frederic Bastiat

F.A. Hayek Fan  posted on  2009-12-03   13:52:54 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#7. To: F.A. Hayek Fan (#6)

Vicious rabbit...a sorcerer named....Tim?...and such. Monty Python and the Holy Grail.

MapQuest really needs to start their directions on #5. Pretty sure I know how to get out of my neighborhood.

SonOfLiberty  posted on  2009-12-03   13:53:46 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#8. To: F.A. Hayek Fan (#2)

Paul to the rescue!

If a nation expects to be diverse and free, it expects what never was and never will be.

Prefrontal Vortex  posted on  2009-12-03   14:01:56 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#9. To: SonOfLiberty (#5)

They're nearly as bloodthirsty as rabbits. Hey, btw, do some call you...Tim? :)

You evidently have never raised rabbits. lol

Time for some rabbit husbandry.

Males after the age of four months when caged together will fight and try to castrate each other and females will often fight until bloody and try to kill or take over each other's litters. They must be caged separately or housed in a large enough area where each can set up it's own territory, for their own protection, inspite of PETAs arguments to the contrary.

Does with litters will often attack to the point of drawing blood anything invading their space including humans giving them their pellet rations.

mininggold  posted on  2009-12-03   14:02:29 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#10. To: SonOfLiberty (#7)

Vicious rabbit...a sorcerer named....Tim?...and such. Monty Python and the Holy Grail.

OK LOL! I got it now. It's been quite a few years since I've seen that movie so I didn't make the connection.

"The Central Intelligence Agency owns everyone of any significance in the major media." ~ William Colby, Director, CIA 1973–1976

The purpose of the legal system is to protect the elites from the wrath of those they plunder.- Elliott Jackalope

"When plunder becomes a way of life for a group of men living together in society, they create for themselves in the course of time a legal system that authorizes it and a moral code that justifies it." - Frederic Bastiat

F.A. Hayek Fan  posted on  2009-12-03   14:03:26 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#11. To: Prefrontal Vortex (#8)

Paul to the rescue!

I'm sure they'll twist his words as well. Anything to justify their blood thirst and desire to kill in the name of Israel.

"The Central Intelligence Agency owns everyone of any significance in the major media." ~ William Colby, Director, CIA 1973–1976

The purpose of the legal system is to protect the elites from the wrath of those they plunder.- Elliott Jackalope

"When plunder becomes a way of life for a group of men living together in society, they create for themselves in the course of time a legal system that authorizes it and a moral code that justifies it." - Frederic Bastiat

F.A. Hayek Fan  posted on  2009-12-03   14:05:15 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


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