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Title: Does Islam Breed Violence? (An Iranian-Born American's View)
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URL Source: http://faithfreedom.org/islam/does-islam-breed-violence
Published: Nov 14, 2009
Author: Amil Amani
Post Date: 2009-12-03 22:32:29 by Liberator
Keywords: Islam, Bloody, Muslim, Cult
Views: 58625
Comments: 650
There is a division of the house. On one side are the politically correct in government, the leftist mainstream media, and a raft of Islamist apologists. One and all are tripping over each other in reassuring us that the mass murderers such as Maj. Nidal Malik Hasan and suicide bombers who detonate their explosive vests in crowded marketplaces and even mosques are individual anomalies and Islam is not responsible for what they do. On the other hand are those who have been fed up with the numberless daily horrific acts that are clearly committed under the banner of Islam throughout the world. In all fairness, there needs to be a distinction. Numerous criminal acts are also committed, on a daily basis, by non-Muslims. The critical difference is that non-Muslim criminals do not hoist a religious banner to justify their misdeeds, while the Muslims proudly claim that they commit their heinous acts in obedience to the dictates of their religious faith. Would someone, please, explain what motivated Nidal Hasan who had been, at tax payer’s expense, educated from college all the way through medical school and post medical-school training, to turn his deadly weapons against a nation that gave him everything he had? If Islam had nothing to do with what Maj. Nidal Malik Hasan did, why: * had he repeatedly preached the ascendancy of Islam to the U.S. Constitution? * had he publicly supported Islamic suicide bombing? * had he proclaimed his highest loyalty to Islam? * had he been in contact with violent anti-U.S. Islamists and a virulent Yemeni Imam? * did he distribute copies of the Quran to people the morning of his bloody attack? * did he keep screaming “Allah-o-Akbar” as he heartlessly sprayed over a hundred bullets, killing thirteen and injuring some thirty innocent men and women? Here is the truth, as bitter as it may be. Islam is the culprit. Islam is anything but a religion of peace. Violence is at the very core of Islam. Violence is institutionalized in the Muslim’s holy book, the Quran, in many suras: Qur'an:9:5 "Fight and kill the disbelievers wherever you find them, take them captive, harass them, lie in wait and ambush them using every stratagem of war." Qur'an:9:112 "The Believers fight in Allah's cause; they slay and are slain, kill and are killed." Qur'an:8:39 "So fight them until there is no more Fitnah (disbelief [non-Muslims]) and all submit to the religion of Allah alone (in the whole world)." Qur'an:8:65 "O Prophet, urge the faithful to fight. If there are twenty among you with determination they will vanquish two hundred; if there are a hundred then they will slaughter a thousand unbelievers, for the infidels are a people devoid of understanding." Qur'an:9:38 "Believers, what is the matter with you, that when you are asked to go forth and fight in Allah's Cause you cling to the earth? Do you prefer the life of this world to the Hereafter? Unless you go forth, He will afflict and punish you with a painful doom, and put others in your place." Qur'an:47:4 "When you clash with the unbelieving Infidels in battle (fighting Jihad in Allah's Cause), smite their necks until you overpower them, killing and wounding many of them. At length, when you have thoroughly subdued them, bind them firmly, making (them) captives. Thereafter either generosity or ransom (them based upon what benefits Islam) until the war lays down its burdens. Thus are you commanded by Allah to continue carrying out Jihad against the unbelieving infidels until they submit to Islam." And the Quran is considered by Muslims as the word-for-word literal edicts of the Muslims’ god, Allah. Right from the start, violence served as the engine of Islam under the command and supervision of Muhammad himself. For one, the Prophet’s son-in-law cousin, Ali, was titled the Commander of the Faithful for his unsurpassed feats of butchery. Ali with the assistance of one or two of his thugs, beheaded some seven hundred captives, most of them Jews, in only one day. This man, highly esteemed by the prophet of Allah, had a sword that had its own name—Zolfaghar. Ali’s portrait, holding the menacing sword, adorns the homes and shops throughout Shi’a’-lands. And this man, Ali, is revered by the Shi’a at the same level as Muhammad. On the Sunni side, Muhammad’s co-revered is Umar, another unabashed killer of untold numbers. And of course the choice weapon of these champions of the religion of peace was the sword. And to this day, a sword adorns the flag of the birthplace of the religion of peace, Saudi Arabia. And Islam, by the nature of its very doctrine, appeals to man’s base nature. It promotes intolerance, hatred, discrimination, and much more: Qur'an:61:2 "O Muslims, why say one thing and do another? Grievously odious and hateful is it in the sight of Allah that you say that which you do not. Truly Allah loves those who fight in His Cause in a battle array, as if they were a solid cemented structure." In reality, Islam is like a deadly contagious disease. Once it invades the mind of its victim, this debilitating disease is capable of transforming him to a helpless pawn that has no choice but to execute what he is directed to do. Of the reported 1.3 billion Muslims in the world, millions are already trapped in the terminal stages of this affliction while millions of others are rapidly joining them. The people enslaved with the extreme cases of Islamic mental disease are highly infectious. They actively work to transmit the disease to others, while they themselves engage in horrific acts of mayhem and violence to demonstrate their unconditional obedience to the dictates of the Islamic cult of violence. The savagery and variety of the actions of these Islamic captives are seen daily around the globe. Many of these acts, committed under the banner of Islam, have become so commonplace that the world has come to view them as the normal part and parcel of a troubled humanity. And, from time-to-time, the world is shocked into a passing and momentary realization of the evil deeds these Islamist robots commit and quickly gets over it and does nothing to seriously address this affliction of humanity. The recent dastardly mass murder at Fort Hood, committed by Maj. Nidal Malik Hasan will be forgotten by the public before very long. Life will continue on its deadly course, pushed along in a variety of ways by agents of death, Islamists. Only the families who lost their loved-ones and those who survived the bullets have to live the rest of their lives with incapacitating injuries, in the main, won’t be able to put the episode behind them. The mass murderer Nidal Malik Hasan did not riddle people with bullets under the pressure of momentary insanity. The insanity, ironically, in a man who was trained to help people with sanity was introduced in him from the moment of birth and from the very early years when he prostrated himself five times daily toward Mecca in expression of total submission to the dogma of hate called Islam. Islam is a mental retrovirus that has mutated into numerous varieties and degrees of severity, over the past 1400 years. Everyone born in a Muslim family, as well as those who convert to Islam, contract a particular mutation of the Islamic Virus. As is the case with all retroviruses, the Islamic Virus burrows deeply in the person and erupts, from time-to-time with potentially devastating consequences. The Islamic Virus first divests the person of his most fundamental human attribute. It takes away his right to make decisions himself and absolves him, in return, of any responsibility for his actions rendered in blind obedience to it. A true Muslim does not and cannot believe in freedom of choice. In the religion of Islam—Submission—everything is up to Allah, as clearly and repeatedly stipulated in the Quran .The Raison d'être for the Muslim is to be an unconditional submissive to the will and dictates of Allah. Everything that a “good” Muslim does is contingent upon the will and decree of Allah, he is indoctrinated to believe. Humanity is facing a deeply troubling dilemma. On the one hand is the desire of enlightened people whose aim it is to forge a world of diverse people into one universal society ruled by peace and justice for everyone while, on the other hand, Islamists are hell-bent on imposing their stone-age system on everyone. Tellingly, the Muslims themselves are at one another’s throat regarding which of dozens of Islamic sects’ dogma should rule. For now, Islam is busy with what it did from the time of its birth, fighting the non-Muslims and infighting. Truth be told: Violence is the animating force of Islam. Islam is a religion born through violence, raised by violence, thrives on violence and dies without violence. Author's Bio: Amil Imani is an Iranian-born American citizen and pro-democracy activist residing in the United States of America. Imani is a columnist, literary translator, novelist and an essayist who has been writing and speaking out for the struggling people of his native land, Iran. He and his family escaped Iran after the radical Islamic revolution.
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#137. To: mirage (#136)
Then let's get the Israelis out of American government, yes? Israelis in the American government are why buffoons like the One Worlder author of this thread's original posting are making a living in the first place.
Dual-citizenship should be disallowed for those serving in Government. Let's not stop at just the Israelis. Sweep everyone with dual citizenship out.
COMRADE! Why are you not showing your Party affiliation and showing proper respect for Dear Leader? Put your Barackstika armband on RIGHT NOW!
Agreement on something is a positive thing. We can start with Obama and Rahm.
The day that happens, I will buy the first round.
COMRADE! Why are you not showing your Party affiliation and showing proper respect for Dear Leader? Put your Barackstika armband on RIGHT NOW!
I already used it in a sentence above. But the sentence does nothing to define the term. You may as well have written: The Palestinians need to take a lesson from Mohammed and call a taxi.
Obama's health care plan shall be written by a committee whose head says he doesn't understand it, passed by a Congress that hasn't read it, signed by a president who smokes and has no birth certificate, funded by a treasury chief who did not pay his taxes, overseen by a surgeon general who is overweight and financed by a country that is nearly broke. What could possibly go wrong? - buckeroo deleted
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Very little of what you have been discussing has to do with Islam. You mud slingers are attempting to conflate the behavior of a very small group of individuals out of 1.4 billion people into some sort of indictment of Islam, which is basically an Abrahamic religion having little differences between itself and what the Jews have in their Old Testament regarding what to do about adultery, war, unnatural sex acts, witchcraft, etc.. The Koran does not advocate honor killings, female genital mutilation, or suicide. It did advocate having non-Muslim people pay a tax at a time when so- called Christians were burning non-Christians at the stake and putting them on the rack among other niceties. I repeat. Jews found it to their advantage to live under Islam for 1,300 years, and a Jew or a Jew supporter should be the last to lecture any white person about being a dhimmi, or how there is anything wrong with Islam or its teachings.
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Damn right! So Amerisrael should continue to: rape thier women and butcher their children; steal thier land; use white phosphorous on them; bulldoze their homes and farms; poison their water; invade their countries and install corrupt puppet governments; bomb their lands with B-52s; cruise missle their weddings; machine gun their neighborhoods from Apache helicopter gunships; ambush their ambulances; occupy their countries with battle troops; spit on them; unload a paltoon's worth of M-16s into their living rooms; ect....and--very important--keep maintaining that Islam breeds violence.
TRAITORS TO AMERICA AND BRAINWASHED IDIOTS SUPPORT AND DEFEND ISRAEL. TO HELL WITH ZIONISTS AND THIER AMERICAN FRONTS: AIPAC/PNAC/ADL/JPCA/NAACP/CFR/FEDERAL RESERVE/NWO/SPLC/JINSA/ACLU/FPI/CHRISTIAN ZIONISTS/AEI/FEDERAL MEDIA/HOLLYWOOD, et. al.
Remaining "neutral" is virtually impossible; Pick a side. Under whose influence or "neighborhood" would you survive? Who says I have to pick a side, you? Bullshit. I do not have to pick a damned thing. Fuck the Islamics, fuck the Jews, fuck Israel and fuck the United States government. As far as I'm concerned the greatest threat to the American people is the Republican and Democrat party political machine.
"The Central Intelligence Agency owns everyone of any significance in the major media." ~ William Colby, Director, CIA 1973–1976 The purpose of the legal system is to protect the elites from the wrath of those they plunder.- Elliott Jackalope "When plunder becomes a way of life for a group of men living together in society, they create for themselves in the course of time a legal system that authorizes it and a moral code that justifies it." - Frederic Bastiat
agreed
agreed Thank you. I have no doubt that Liberator does not agree.
"The Central Intelligence Agency owns everyone of any significance in the major media." ~ William Colby, Director, CIA 1973–1976 The purpose of the legal system is to protect the elites from the wrath of those they plunder.- Elliott Jackalope "When plunder becomes a way of life for a group of men living together in society, they create for themselves in the course of time a legal system that authorizes it and a moral code that justifies it." - Frederic Bastiat
agreed Thank you. I have no doubt that Liberator does not agree. There are many threats to the American people - both internal and external. It's easy to discount Islam from the safety of a still extremely light demographic here in America as seen from this map. The map of America is nearly a decade old - the dark orange comprises 2.2%-10% Muslim populations - enough to start demanding Sharia Law and raising havoc as they've done in certain areas of Europe. When you are unfortunate enough that your county is occupied by that kind of demographic, you'll reassess your respective opinion on "greatest threats." As an aside, those who live in the American Southwest and Southern California have yet another map of demographics to consider. Now should some of America become engulfed in GREEN as seen by the international Muslim Fantasy Map of Conquest, unimagined horror will ensue. Europe may have 10-20 years before succumbing to the Muslim hordes who make Attila the Hun seem like Gandhi. As to who or what is "the greatest threat the the American people (Dems/GOP), let's get real; It's the Elites of the New World Order calling 95% of the shots regarding domestic, economic and international policy - whether it's a (D) or (R) with damn few exceptions.
A) Tell me what you believe are the short-term or long-term consequences should Islam "shove Israel into the sea"? B) Can you provide ANY solution (beside antipathetic indifference and derision) that helps empower We-The-People?
rape thier women and butcher their children; steal thier land; use white phosphorous on them; bulldoze their homes and farms; poison their water; invade their countries and install corrupt puppet governments; bomb their lands with B-52s; cruise missle their weddings; machine gun their neighborhoods from Apache helicopter gunships; ambush their ambulances; occupy their countries with battle troops; spit on them; unload a paltoon's worth of M-16s into their living rooms; ect....and--very important--keep maintaining that Islam breeds violence. Though I agree with some posters philosophies, Some posters will occasionally contribute some bit of wisdom. You? You a delusional cartoon; an off-the-chart f***ing deranged moonbat.
Which is why Dubya's so-called "WoT" was absolute BS from Day One (aka 9/11.)
More lies. No, make that more f***ing lies. Hey - good thing those 72 virgins await suicide bombers who you pretend don't exist, eh? I repeat. Jews found it to their advantage to live under Islam for 1,300 years, and a Jew or a Jew supporter should be the last to lecture any white person about being a dhimmi, or how there is anything wrong with Islam or its teachings. Yeah - the Jews must have LOVED dhimmihood - who wouldn't? They loved it about as much as Americans would love it (you being an exception.) You're effin delusional-to-the-max.
Absolutely.
Why don't you put on a olive-drab burka, get yourself a Johnny Lindh Jordanian/Saudi/Palestinian visa, and get on a plane and help your Muslim allies? Talk is cheap.
You'd know. You drive the value down by increasing the supply.
We can also look forward to more terror cells and recruiting like the lovely Somalis in Minneapolis just got picked up for. Yes, that will backfire quite nicely. But, noooooooo..... The "Religion of Peace" are Gandhi-like and as American as Apple Pie. Muslim "Terror Cells" are mere joo-ish propaganda.
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Then put your money where your big mouth is; "Increase the supply" of Muslims by getting on a plane and helping those poor undermanned Jihadists who clearly need your muscle to help shove the Israelis into the sea.
And good luck! Even FR's sheep are re-thinking Dubya's "legacy." Oh wait, but then you're half neocon too, particularly given your penchant for Palin. So how did you come to this astute observation? Lol - chyeah, RON PAUL is going to change the game. Oh that's right - he punked out of running for Prez, chickened out of running as an Independent and hung you out to dry. NOW WHAT, Genius? Get onboard the Palin Outside-the Beltway wave and get 90% of what you want, or sulk and give 0bama another four years. GREAT strategery.
It will come. [Islam] keeps itself mired in the middle ages... Sharia Law is ALWAYS the goal. If they infect 10-20% of a given population they PUSH for it. And depending how feckless the "leaders" and local population is, they'll succumb. Even considering the middle-ages is a bit too progressively modern for Islam... It's been regressive if anything....perhaps it can now be pinpointed to the Cro-Magnon Era.
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Damn right! So Amerisrael should continue to: rape thier women and butcher their children; steal thier land; use white phosphorous on them; bulldoze their homes and farms; poison their water; invade their countries and install corrupt puppet governments; bomb their lands with B-52s; cruise missle their weddings; machine gun their neighborhoods from Apache helicopter gunships; ambush their ambulances; occupy their countries with battle troops; spit on them; unload a paltoon's worth of M-16s into their living rooms; ect....and--very important--keep maintaining that Islam breeds violence. Good one.
Though I agree with some posters philosophies, Some posters will occasionally contribute some bit of wisdom. You? You a delusional cartoon; an off-the-chart f***ing deranged moonbat.
Typical. Projection is your greatest asset, Eric Blutarsky. Laughably comparing Pailn to Dubya loses you even more IQ points that you couldn't afford to lose in the first place. That said, go ahead and take Sarah Palin out of the equation... NOW provide a political answer to 0bama. Tick...tick...tick...
rape thier women and butcher their children; steal thier land; use white phosphorous on them; bulldoze their homes and farms; poison their water; invade their countries and install corrupt puppet governments; bomb their lands with B-52s; cruise missle their weddings; machine gun their neighborhoods from Apache helicopter gunships; ambush their ambulances; occupy their countries with battle troops; spit on them; unload a paltoon's worth of M-16s into their living rooms; ect....and--very important--keep maintaining that Islam breeds violence. You don't like my idea??
TRAITORS TO AMERICA AND BRAINWASHED IDIOTS SUPPORT AND DEFEND ISRAEL. TO HELL WITH ZIONISTS AND THIER AMERICAN FRONTS: AIPAC/PNAC/ADL/JPCA/NAACP/CFR/FEDERAL RESERVE/NWO/SPLC/JINSA/ACLU/FPI/CHRISTIAN ZIONISTS/AEI/FEDERAL MEDIA/HOLLYWOOD, et. al.
True or untrue that Paul bailed?? Your solution (or viable candidate) to removing 0bama, Genius. Oh...and make sure they run on a "kick 40 million Illegal outta the country, and "pull the troops tomorrow" platform, and "disband the Fed," "shrink the gubmint platform." I'll pull that lever. Just FIND 'EM. If not, propose SOMEONE, SOMETHING, Eric-the Blu. Thank you, Professor.
You mean of half-truths, incomplete equations, Muslim Propaganda, and the usual one-sided horrors of war between factions fighting over turf? What's your Middle East "solution" to Muslims bent on "shoving the Israelis into the sea" since 1948? Oh that's right - "shoving" them HARDER, QUICKER, and more ruthlessly."
That they haven't been very good at it, so leave them alone.
Which of those do you deny? Amerisrael breeds violence.
TRAITORS TO AMERICA AND BRAINWASHED IDIOTS SUPPORT AND DEFEND ISRAEL. TO HELL WITH ZIONISTS AND THIER AMERICAN FRONTS: AIPAC/PNAC/ADL/JPCA/NAACP/CFR/FEDERAL RESERVE/NWO/SPLC/JINSA/ACLU/FPI/CHRISTIAN ZIONISTS/AEI/FEDERAL MEDIA/HOLLYWOOD, et. al.
Canada girl says, "You're ugly."
I suspect that the debate could continue forever and never be settled. Whether Islam breeds violence as an intentional meme or not, one thing is certain. A lot of very violent people use Islam to justify their own violent tendencies. Unfortunately, there are an awful lot of passages that they themselves may cite on occasion which back up their own violent tendencies. I suspect however that any large group of unemployed young men sitting idle in the desert most of their lives, under the reign of despots and tyrants, who cannot find a good purpose in life due to denied opportunity, will turn to the best port in the storm so to speak. In this case, it's Islam. The problem is that being unemployed, poor, hungry, unable to control your fate and generally screwed societally leads most young men to some kind of embrace of violence. Were Christianity the prevalent religion in the middle east, I suspect that the violence levels would be the same, if all other factors were the same. There were no shortages of recruits for the first few Crusades during the Dark Ages after all, where young European men suffered along the same lines. Islam as a faith seems rather revolting to me, and it certainly doesn't preach much of a peaceful message. I believe it was Hitler himself who lamented that he had to whip up a mostly Christian society into a war fervor and wished he had Islam to work with instead (I'll need to find that quote, sure I've seen it though). Dunno. Again, seems like poverty, oppression and young male testosterone is a dangerous combination regardless of the tenants of faith one follows.
MapQuest really needs to start their directions on #5. Pretty sure I know how to get out of my neighborhood.
“You see, it’s been our misfortune to have the wrong religion. Why didn’t we have the religion of the Japanese, who regard sacrifice for the Fatherland as the highest good? The Mohammedan religion too would have been much more compatible to us than Christianity. Why did it have to be Christianity with its meekness and flabbiness?” ~ Hitler
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#138. To: bluegrass (#137)
Then let's get the Israelis out of American government, yes?
#139. To: mirage (#138)
Sweep everyone with dual citizenship out.
#140. To: bluegrass (#139)
Agreement on something is a positive thing. We can start with Obama and Rahm.
#141. To: mirage (#74)
The Palestinians need to take a lesson from Mohammed and call a hudna.
Let me get this straight.
#142. To: Liberator (#0)
#143. To: All (#0)
#144. To: mirage, bluegrass, Original_intent, christine (#116)
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With all the apologetics for Islam being thrown about, I still can't find an answer for why these "misunderstanders" of the Religion of Peace all seem to "misunderstand" Islam in exactly the same way.
#145. To: All (#0)
#146. To: Liberator, AGAviator, mininggold, wudidiz, Esso, Original_Intent, mel_living, Bluegrass, noone222, Christine (#0)
Does Islam Breed Violence?
#147. To: Liberator (#2)
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One cannot not support Islam and be pro-America, yet the converse of supporting both Israel and America IS true.
#148. To: F.A. Hayek Fan (#147)
As far as I'm concerned the greatest threat to the American people is the Republican and Democrat party political machine.
#149. To: christine (#148)
As far as I'm concerned the greatest threat to the American people is the Republican and Democrat party political machine.
#150. To: F.A. Hayek Fan, christine (#149)
As far as I'm concerned the greatest threat to the American people is the Republican and Democrat party political machine.
#151. To: F.A. Hayek Fan (#147)
Who says I have to pick a side, you? Bullshit. I do not have to pick a damned thing. Fuck the Islamics, fuck the Jews, fuck Israel and fuck the United States government.
#152. To: wbales (#146)
So Amerisrael should continue to:
#153. To: Eric Stratton (#145)
Yet, according to Junior, the GOP/War-Party, and assorted necons, these principles are in no way conflicting with a Constitutionally oriented way of life here in the States.
#154. To: AGAviator (#144)
The Koran does not advocate honor killings, female genital mutilation, or suicide.
#155. To: mirage (#138)
Dual-citizenship should be disallowed for those serving in Government.
#156. To: bluegrass (#126)
Drive them [Israelis] into the sea.
#157. To: Liberator (#156)
Talk is cheap.
#158. To: mirage, bluegrass (#125)
We can look forward to more Temple, Yeshiva, and Jewish Center bombings and shootings as the Arab Muslim population grows.
#159. To: Liberator (#153)
#160. To: bluegrass (#157)
You drive the value down by increasing the supply.
#161. To: Eric Stratton (#159)
Goes w/o saying. Now, just try to convince the neocons that their hero and fearless God-fearing honest leader was a crock-o-shit.
#162. To: mirage (#121)
Watch world events. It seems that when Muslims become a certain percentage of the population, they start demanding Sharia. Given how we here in the West value giving people The Vote, all we have to do is wait.
#163. To: Liberator (#161)
#164. To: wbales (#146)
Does Islam Breed Violence?
"The trouble with people is not that they don't know but that they know so much that ain't so." ~ Josh Billings
#165. To: Liberator, wbales (#150)
Now should some of America become engulfed in GREEN as seen by the international Muslim Fantasy Map of Conquest, unimagined horror will ensue. Europe may have 10-20 years before succumbing to the Muslim hordes who make Attila the Hun seem like Gandhi.
"The trouble with people is not that they don't know but that they know so much that ain't so." ~ Josh Billings
#166. To: Eric Stratton (#163)
Once again Fibrillator, great answer! You can't address the question so it's tangent city!
#167. To: wudidiz (#165)
You a delusional cartoon;
'Nuff said, Sweetheart.
#168. To: Liberator (#152)
So Amerisrael should continue to:
#169. To: Eric Stratton (#163)
Oh that's right - he punked out of running for Prez, chickened out of running as an Independent and hung you out to dry. NOW WHAT, Genius?
#170. To: wbales (#168)
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You don't like my idea??
#171. To: Liberator (#170)
What's your Middle East "solution" to Muslims bent on "shoving the Israelis into the sea" since 1948?
#172. To: Liberator (#170)
rape thier women and butcher their children; steal thier land; use white phosphorous on them; bulldoze their homes and farms; poison their water; invade their countries and install corrupt puppet governments; bomb their lands with B-52s; cruise missle their weddings; machine gun their neighborhoods from Apache helicopter gunships; ambush their ambulances; occupy their countries with battle troops; spit on them; unload a paltoon's worth of M-16s into their living rooms; ect....and--very important--keep maintaining that Islam breeds violence.
#173. To: Liberator (#167)
"The trouble with people is not that they don't know but that they know so much that ain't so." ~ Josh Billings
#174. To: Liberator (#0)
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#175. To: SonOfLiberty, Liberator, all (#174)
"The trouble with people is not that they don't know but that they know so much that ain't so." ~ Josh Billings
#176. To: Liberator (#166)
#177. To: Liberator, all (#169)
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