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Title: Does Islam Breed Violence? (An Iranian-Born American's View)
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FaithFreedomOrg
URL Source: http://faithfreedom.org/islam/does-islam-breed-violence
Published: Nov 14, 2009
Author: Amil Amani
Post Date: 2009-12-03 22:32:29 by Liberator
Keywords: Islam, Bloody, Muslim, Cult
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Comments: 650
There is a division of the house. On one side are the politically correct in government, the leftist mainstream media, and a raft of Islamist apologists. One and all are tripping over each other in reassuring us that the mass murderers such as Maj. Nidal Malik Hasan and suicide bombers who detonate their explosive vests in crowded marketplaces and even mosques are individual anomalies and Islam is not responsible for what they do. On the other hand are those who have been fed up with the numberless daily horrific acts that are clearly committed under the banner of Islam throughout the world. In all fairness, there needs to be a distinction. Numerous criminal acts are also committed, on a daily basis, by non-Muslims. The critical difference is that non-Muslim criminals do not hoist a religious banner to justify their misdeeds, while the Muslims proudly claim that they commit their heinous acts in obedience to the dictates of their religious faith. Would someone, please, explain what motivated Nidal Hasan who had been, at tax payer’s expense, educated from college all the way through medical school and post medical-school training, to turn his deadly weapons against a nation that gave him everything he had? If Islam had nothing to do with what Maj. Nidal Malik Hasan did, why: * had he repeatedly preached the ascendancy of Islam to the U.S. Constitution? * had he publicly supported Islamic suicide bombing? * had he proclaimed his highest loyalty to Islam? * had he been in contact with violent anti-U.S. Islamists and a virulent Yemeni Imam? * did he distribute copies of the Quran to people the morning of his bloody attack? * did he keep screaming “Allah-o-Akbar” as he heartlessly sprayed over a hundred bullets, killing thirteen and injuring some thirty innocent men and women? Here is the truth, as bitter as it may be. Islam is the culprit. Islam is anything but a religion of peace. Violence is at the very core of Islam. Violence is institutionalized in the Muslim’s holy book, the Quran, in many suras: Qur'an:9:5 "Fight and kill the disbelievers wherever you find them, take them captive, harass them, lie in wait and ambush them using every stratagem of war." Qur'an:9:112 "The Believers fight in Allah's cause; they slay and are slain, kill and are killed." Qur'an:8:39 "So fight them until there is no more Fitnah (disbelief [non-Muslims]) and all submit to the religion of Allah alone (in the whole world)." Qur'an:8:65 "O Prophet, urge the faithful to fight. If there are twenty among you with determination they will vanquish two hundred; if there are a hundred then they will slaughter a thousand unbelievers, for the infidels are a people devoid of understanding." Qur'an:9:38 "Believers, what is the matter with you, that when you are asked to go forth and fight in Allah's Cause you cling to the earth? Do you prefer the life of this world to the Hereafter? Unless you go forth, He will afflict and punish you with a painful doom, and put others in your place." Qur'an:47:4 "When you clash with the unbelieving Infidels in battle (fighting Jihad in Allah's Cause), smite their necks until you overpower them, killing and wounding many of them. At length, when you have thoroughly subdued them, bind them firmly, making (them) captives. Thereafter either generosity or ransom (them based upon what benefits Islam) until the war lays down its burdens. Thus are you commanded by Allah to continue carrying out Jihad against the unbelieving infidels until they submit to Islam." And the Quran is considered by Muslims as the word-for-word literal edicts of the Muslims’ god, Allah. Right from the start, violence served as the engine of Islam under the command and supervision of Muhammad himself. For one, the Prophet’s son-in-law cousin, Ali, was titled the Commander of the Faithful for his unsurpassed feats of butchery. Ali with the assistance of one or two of his thugs, beheaded some seven hundred captives, most of them Jews, in only one day. This man, highly esteemed by the prophet of Allah, had a sword that had its own name—Zolfaghar. Ali’s portrait, holding the menacing sword, adorns the homes and shops throughout Shi’a’-lands. And this man, Ali, is revered by the Shi’a at the same level as Muhammad. On the Sunni side, Muhammad’s co-revered is Umar, another unabashed killer of untold numbers. And of course the choice weapon of these champions of the religion of peace was the sword. And to this day, a sword adorns the flag of the birthplace of the religion of peace, Saudi Arabia. And Islam, by the nature of its very doctrine, appeals to man’s base nature. It promotes intolerance, hatred, discrimination, and much more: Qur'an:61:2 "O Muslims, why say one thing and do another? Grievously odious and hateful is it in the sight of Allah that you say that which you do not. Truly Allah loves those who fight in His Cause in a battle array, as if they were a solid cemented structure." In reality, Islam is like a deadly contagious disease. Once it invades the mind of its victim, this debilitating disease is capable of transforming him to a helpless pawn that has no choice but to execute what he is directed to do. Of the reported 1.3 billion Muslims in the world, millions are already trapped in the terminal stages of this affliction while millions of others are rapidly joining them. The people enslaved with the extreme cases of Islamic mental disease are highly infectious. They actively work to transmit the disease to others, while they themselves engage in horrific acts of mayhem and violence to demonstrate their unconditional obedience to the dictates of the Islamic cult of violence. The savagery and variety of the actions of these Islamic captives are seen daily around the globe. Many of these acts, committed under the banner of Islam, have become so commonplace that the world has come to view them as the normal part and parcel of a troubled humanity. And, from time-to-time, the world is shocked into a passing and momentary realization of the evil deeds these Islamist robots commit and quickly gets over it and does nothing to seriously address this affliction of humanity. The recent dastardly mass murder at Fort Hood, committed by Maj. Nidal Malik Hasan will be forgotten by the public before very long. Life will continue on its deadly course, pushed along in a variety of ways by agents of death, Islamists. Only the families who lost their loved-ones and those who survived the bullets have to live the rest of their lives with incapacitating injuries, in the main, won’t be able to put the episode behind them. The mass murderer Nidal Malik Hasan did not riddle people with bullets under the pressure of momentary insanity. The insanity, ironically, in a man who was trained to help people with sanity was introduced in him from the moment of birth and from the very early years when he prostrated himself five times daily toward Mecca in expression of total submission to the dogma of hate called Islam. Islam is a mental retrovirus that has mutated into numerous varieties and degrees of severity, over the past 1400 years. Everyone born in a Muslim family, as well as those who convert to Islam, contract a particular mutation of the Islamic Virus. As is the case with all retroviruses, the Islamic Virus burrows deeply in the person and erupts, from time-to-time with potentially devastating consequences. The Islamic Virus first divests the person of his most fundamental human attribute. It takes away his right to make decisions himself and absolves him, in return, of any responsibility for his actions rendered in blind obedience to it. A true Muslim does not and cannot believe in freedom of choice. In the religion of Islam—Submission—everything is up to Allah, as clearly and repeatedly stipulated in the Quran .The Raison d'être for the Muslim is to be an unconditional submissive to the will and dictates of Allah. Everything that a “good” Muslim does is contingent upon the will and decree of Allah, he is indoctrinated to believe. Humanity is facing a deeply troubling dilemma. On the one hand is the desire of enlightened people whose aim it is to forge a world of diverse people into one universal society ruled by peace and justice for everyone while, on the other hand, Islamists are hell-bent on imposing their stone-age system on everyone. Tellingly, the Muslims themselves are at one another’s throat regarding which of dozens of Islamic sects’ dogma should rule. For now, Islam is busy with what it did from the time of its birth, fighting the non-Muslims and infighting. Truth be told: Violence is the animating force of Islam. Islam is a religion born through violence, raised by violence, thrives on violence and dies without violence. Author's Bio: Amil Imani is an Iranian-born American citizen and pro-democracy activist residing in the United States of America. Imani is a columnist, literary translator, novelist and an essayist who has been writing and speaking out for the struggling people of his native land, Iran. He and his family escaped Iran after the radical Islamic revolution.
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#580. To: mel_living (#579)
Last night? That's history, I was expecting narrative! :)
In 2007, the FBI reported on concern about white supremacists recruiting soldiers, saying "hundreds" of neo-Nazis were in the active military. But in April, a Department of Homeland Security report on extremism that reiterated much the same point was widely criticized by veterans groups and some conservative politicians as being unpatriotic, leading the Justice Department to retract the DHS report. Critics acknowledge that extremism in the Army is a touchy political subject. you are fucking with me. BACK-OFF.
“Gold is the money of kings; silver is the money of gentlemen; barter is the money of peasants; but debt is the money of slaves.”
Wave your NYC titties at her, girl, I'm sure someone will take notice.
In 2007, the FBI reported on concern about white supremacists recruiting soldiers, saying "hundreds" of neo-Nazis were in the active military. But in April, a Department of Homeland Security report on extremism that reiterated much the same point was widely criticized by veterans groups and some conservative politicians as being unpatriotic, leading the Justice Department to retract the DHS report. Critics acknowledge that extremism in the Army is a touchy political subject. uh..whose property is this? you need a time out.
Thank you for the link. That is not a one setting read. I'll have to go back to it when I have more time. Although to simplify the issue in a broad stroke about 2 1/2% of the population falls into the psychopathic/anti-social personality category and of those only a small handful are really dangerous. Where it gets really dangerous is when these types of twisted personalities achieve positions of power as they have in our current political structure. That they go unrecognized for what they are compounds the problem. Most people are not psychopaths and that type of thinking is so foreign to them that most just don't get it. They assume, wrongly that everyone else reacts as they do - generally operating on the greatest good for the greatest number. Of course they are sadly wrong. That wrongness coupled with the inability to recognize the problem could get us all killed. These anti-social psychopaths are the types who could and would pull the nuclear trigger without remorse. This is also why the West is in such a dire predicament, as these types are not amenable to reason (they are quite mad - all outward appearances to the contrary) and operate off of a perverse illogic that is deadly dangerous to all. Directly in their sphere of influence they affect maybe another 17 or 18 percent and send them off the rails as well - although not quite to the same extent as the psycho in the center of it all. The psychopath is so destructive, and out of touch with reality, the fact that his solution kills everybody does not enter into his/her calculations. Psychopaths are also very bad at predicting the outcome of their actions.
"An education isn't how much you have committed to memory, or even how much you know. It's being able to differentiate between what you know and what you don't. ~ Anatole France
Oops. My bad you are quite right. Mexico City as I recall. At least I remembered the right body part. I should have checked before I wrote but got lazy. That's what I get for not double checking my memory. I think he should have gotten a stiletto in the brain stem ["Good Fellas" if I recall - correctly this time. ;)]
"An education isn't how much you have committed to memory, or even how much you know. It's being able to differentiate between what you know and what you don't. ~ Anatole France
More like a "dry-out". "An education isn't how much you have committed to memory, or even how much you know. It's being able to differentiate between what you know and what you don't. ~ Anatole France
You are one patient lady.
Amen.
"The only thing better than a Federal Reserve audit would be a Federal Reserve autopsy." ~ unknown
I remember seeing all the ads in Shotgun News years ago that were selling Egyptian army rifles that said "Never fired,and only dropped once!" Between 1979 and 1989, against almost impossible odds, the Afghan mujahideen, with a little logistical help from the US, accomplished what you chest-thumping blowhards were never able to do during the 45-year entire Cold War period. Namely: Inflict enough damage on the Red Army they decided that staying in a country they had invaded and occupied just wasn't worth it. Who the hell are you butch types to claim that Muslims are cowards and sneak attackers? How many victories over Ivan can you claim? Hell, you couldn't even kick out Ivan's JV.
"By your sword you shall live, and your brother you shall serve. But when you become restive, you will cast his yoke from off your neck." Genesis 27:40
All these wars benefit mostly if not only the elite and the military industrial complex. They are unnecessary and based on lies. The fighting of them by innocent and unaware soldiers which I before thought to be glorious and honorable I now see as sad and tragic.
Amen. Well said.
"An education isn't how much you have committed to memory, or even how much you know. It's being able to differentiate between what you know and what you don't. ~ Anatole France
"By your sword you shall live, and your brother you shall serve. But when you become restive, you will cast his yoke from off your neck." Genesis 27:40
OBL 2004: Goal is to Bankrupt America "And it all shows that the real loser is you," he said. "It is the American people and their economy." "By your sword you shall live, and your brother you shall serve. But when you become restive, you will cast his yoke from off your neck." Genesis 27:40
No doubt about that. And the lies are told to promote greed and power. You can only justify war if you are attacked,and even then you don't have a license to keep the war going forever so contractors and politicians can get rich from it. BTW,this is my last reply to this thread. I just logged on and must have 15 or 20 pings to it. I just don't have the time or patience for this nonsense.
Thank you.
Fight the good fight, Pete. We need you.
YW
"An education isn't how much you have committed to memory, or even how much you know. It's being able to differentiate between what you know and what you don't. ~ Anatole France
Nonsense. You are not willing for the government to win are you????
Yes they do, but as they find each other so darned predictable they generally prefer to work alone. There is a theory that a high percentage actually will outgrow the problem around the age of forty. Clinton evidently did not luck out.
I thought it interesting that Michael Savage said on one of his programs last week that there is probably not more than 100 Afghans actually fighting against our troops. Does anyone have any info to back this up?
No, there are supposed to be around 100 Al Qaeda, there are many more people called "Taliban." The problem the US has in Afghanistan is it decided to attack Afghan Pushtuns instead of focusing on al Qaeda. The Pushtuns have a centuries old tradition of hospitality which means anyone who comes to them escaping from his enemies should be taken in and protected at all costs. This tradition was at work when they took in Al Qaeda and OBL specifically. This tradition was also at work when a Navy SEAL a few years ago got seriously wounded with Taliban trying to finish him off, when a local took the SEAL into his house and hid him until the Americans were able to rescue him. But by attacking the Pashtuns who had nothing to do with 911 America made millions of new enemies, who are now becoming closer and closer to the Al Qaida worldview. The other huge blunder the US has made is to empower the Tajik minority in Afghanistan and make them the most powerful group in the Afghan Army and the Afghan government. What this means is the tribal adversaries of the Pushtuns now have American backing to go into Pashtun homes, search, harass, and degrade them. The Pashtuns have always kicked the Tajik's butts whenever there has been conflict between the two. Once American protection is neutralized, the next time, and they are heading toward a next time, the outcome will not be any different. But bottom line is there are over 40 million Pushtuns in Afghanistan and Pakistan - they are the largest single tribe in the world - and a substantial number of them hate America's guts after thinking America could do no wrong only 20 short years ago.
"By your sword you shall live, and your brother you shall serve. But when you become restive, you will cast his yoke from off your neck." Genesis 27:40
read that article's paragraph's 6&7. that may answer your question somewhat.
read that article's paragraph's 6&7. that may answer your question somewhat THEY ARE THE WARRIORS AND THEIR SONS WHO ANNIHILATED THE VAST 40TH ARMY OF THE MIGHTY USSR RED ARMY THAT HAD NEVER BEFORE BEEN DEFEATED. THE IDEA THAT A TINY FORCE OF UNIFORMED AND SECRET US GANG BOYS FROM L.A. AND CHICAGO ARE GOING TO DEFEAT A VAST NATION OF WARRIORS SET ON FIRE WITH HOLY WARRIOR ZEAL AGAINST THE INFIDEL INVADERS AND TRAITORS TO ISLAM LIKE BARACK OBAMA, HOLY WARRIORS WHO ARE ALSO FIGHTING FOR THEIR FAMILIES AND HOMES AND ANCIENT HOMELANDS AND SEEKING REVENGE FOR THE US SLAUGHTER OF THEIR FAMILY MEMBERS WITH HELLFIRE MISSILES, IS UTTERLY PREPOSTEROUS. Spot on. "Osama" has become a popular name for male children in that part of the world.
"By your sword you shall live, and your brother you shall serve. But when you become restive, you will cast his yoke from off your neck." Genesis 27:40
I think another point MS wanted to emphasize that it was a small minority that was taking on and inflicting major damage on our troops out of all proportion to their size. He now says he's against the Afghan War because it is just making the defense contractors wealthy. I guess any excuse will do right now. If we model this surge after the Iraqi one where we pay tribal warlords to "keep the peace", how will the Pushtuns react? Won't they will be the tribe on the outs?
Pushtuns live and breathe a code called "Pushtunwali" in which honor is the most important part. The United States has offered $25 million for both OBL and Mullah Omar since 2001, and they are still at large. No bona fide Pushtun will sell somebody out for any amount of money. They can spot the few degenerates who might a mile away, because life is hard there and anybody who can't take the hardships is immediately suspect. If they do take any American money, they will do with it whatever they please, and it is possible if it comes with too many strings attached they may very well tell the USA to eff off. One of the reasons the Pushtuns dislike the Tajiks in Afghanistan is because Ahmad Shah Massoud's Tajiks signed 7 separate truces with the Red Army during the 10 year long Soviet Afghan war, while the Pushtuns never once even considered the idea. So the US is now backing the Tajiks, and making enemies of the Pushtuns. Very bad move.
"By your sword you shall live, and your brother you shall serve. But when you become restive, you will cast his yoke from off your neck." Genesis 27:40
Bump. Thanks for the info. I don't believe that info is widely known...certainy not by our doofus desk jockeys in the Pentagon.
Our President has stated that we are not a Christian nation.
COMRADE! Why are you not showing your Party affiliation and showing proper respect for Dear Leader? Put your Barackstika armband on RIGHT NOW!
Not in the slightest. The blame resides with the responsible parties in Washington DC, not in you. If you do not pay the taxes imposed on you, then you go to prison. It is rational to avoid prison, and you are not an active participant in any carnage, nor are you issuing the orders, nor, I would wager, are you casting a vote for the people who are appropriating your money to fund the carnage. You are an innocent bystander caught in a situation not of your own making and trying to do the best you can.
COMRADE! Why are you not showing your Party affiliation and showing proper respect for Dear Leader? Put your Barackstika armband on RIGHT NOW!
Thanks for the informative posts re: Pashtuns and Tajiks. Sadly, I'm as ignorant as the next American on the matter.
That's it? That's your response? I expected better of you, mirage. It's clear that I made an error in judgement. Good night.
After half a bottle of rum, you're lucky to get something you can read intelligently. In the interim, I leave you with Yet another example of 'misunderstanders' of Islam. Oddly enough, these "misunderstanders" all seem to "misunderstand" Islam the exact same way. It is very strange. Perhaps you can shed some light on this development? Good night.
COMRADE! Why are you not showing your Party affiliation and showing proper respect for Dear Leader? Put your Barackstika armband on RIGHT NOW!
There are jokes among Arabs about taking revenge after only 20 years (or 30 or 50 or whatever) where the punchline is always "Why so soon?"
COMRADE! Why are you not showing your Party affiliation and showing proper respect for Dear Leader? Put your Barackstika armband on RIGHT NOW!
But not every one of those has an entire school (Wahabbisim) that is funded by the Saudi Government that goes forth and preaches violence. Do some reading on it. You'll be amazed. Just so you know, Wikipedia puts Wahabbisim as a subset of Sunni Islam, which is the majority branch. With Saudi petrodollars and a documented minimum 1500 Wahabbi Mosques they have funded, do the math.
COMRADE! Why are you not showing your Party affiliation and showing proper respect for Dear Leader? Put your Barackstika armband on RIGHT NOW!
1) Islam breeds violence--oh, ok-- so invading and butchering two of thier countries is a great idea along the lines of "Hey, y'all, watch me go slap that homicidal maniac in the face." 2) Now they have a real reason to hate US for generations to come--Zionist Islamophobia becomes a self fulfilling prophecy. 3) 10-25% (or whatever that Zionist propaganda number was above) of Muslims are inbred, intractable violent fanatics. WELL WITH THE ABSOLUTE NUMBER OF MUSLIMS IN AMERICA, WHERE HAVE BEEN THE DAILY AND WIDESPRERD VIOLENCE AND ATTACKS that you attach to these people. Hasn't been happening. 4) You clowns actually believe that Iraq, Afghanistan and Muslims are and were a direct and real threat to the United States States of America--abject, laughable bullsh*t. 5) Islam breeds violence--how would you all react to this thread "Judaism breeds greed and corruption" and think about how my tragline is RIGHT NOW bankrupting America and destroying American culture and society while they have you bitching and worrying about Muslims. Oy.
TRAITORS TO AMERICA AND BRAINWASHED IDIOTS SUPPORT AND DEFEND ISRAEL. TO HELL WITH ZIONISTS AND THIER AMERICAN FRONTS: AIPAC/PNAC/ADL/JPCA/NAACP/CFR/FEDERAL RESERVE/NWO/SPLC/JINSA/ACLU/FPI/CHRISTIAN ZIONISTS/AEI/FEDERAL MEDIA/HOLLYWOOD, et. al.
6) No doubt you parrot this line: "We're fighting them there so we don't have to fight them here." Gee, what does that say about the $trillions and $trillion we spend on the CIA, FBI, Army, Navy, Coast Guard, Air Force, ect....what..a monumental waste of money--these trillions and these incompetent and worthless people are INCAPABLE of protecting America. Well, I guess thier job is made more difficult with the Zionist run federal government keeping our borders wide open.
TRAITORS TO AMERICA AND BRAINWASHED IDIOTS SUPPORT AND DEFEND ISRAEL. TO HELL WITH ZIONISTS AND THIER AMERICAN FRONTS: AIPAC/PNAC/ADL/JPCA/NAACP/CFR/FEDERAL RESERVE/NWO/SPLC/JINSA/ACLU/FPI/CHRISTIAN ZIONISTS/AEI/FEDERAL MEDIA/HOLLYWOOD, et. al.
It's partially my fault. The engineer in me enjoys bringing stress to bear on structures that weren't up to code in the first place and seeing what shears. It's a personal failing, albeit a tremendously amusing one to me. On an unrelated note, Texas stole that game from Nebraska last night. Clot McCoy and Mack Brown should be scratching their defeated asses at home. If at first you don't succeed, if you're Texas, you just add another second to the clock and kick a field goal. ;) Alabama will right that wrong in a month or so, however.
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TRAITORS TO AMERICA AND BRAINWASHED IDIOTS SUPPORT AND DEFEND ISRAEL. TO HELL WITH ZIONISTS AND THIER AMERICAN FRONTS: AIPAC/PNAC/ADL/JPCA/NAACP/CFR/FEDERAL RESERVE/NWO/SPLC/JINSA/ACLU/FPI/CHRISTIAN ZIONISTS/AEI/FEDERAL MEDIA/HOLLYWOOD, et. al.
Do some reading on it. You'll be amazed. I'm not the least ***amazed*** to find out that an objective source about the subject says absolutely nothing about Wahhabism "preaching violence." Yes, Wahabbis have historically been involved in some wars. So has every other religious sect in existence, starting with your joos. However there is nothing in Wahhabi doctrine which says they are obligated to kill anything and everything they have differences with. Your Screamy Heeby analyses of Islam and Muslims count for zilch, because they are used to justify the existence of a parasitic and murderous regime.
After wasting a trillion dollars, some of them are catching on, including McChrystal, so now they want quotas for Pushtuns and kind of an "affirmative action" program for Pushtuns in both the Afghan Army and the government. A very telling picture of how dominant the Tajiks are, is when Afghan Army recruits graduate, they get inducted in front of a giant photo of Ahmad Shah Massoud, who is universally considered a traitor by the Pushtuns because of his 7 truces with the Russians, and his subsequent accepting of planeloads weapons from them when the mujahideen began fighting among themselves once all the communists had been kicked out. No self respecting Pushtun will join an organization which considers a traitor like Massoud one of its heroes. The problem with that is Pushtuns have a very strong sense of honor and with them it's either all or none. They're not going to live under the thumb of another people they can easily kick out of their territories without American meddling, and they're not going to support a government that does not have their interests first. It's quite parallel to the Sunnis and the Shias in Iraq, but at least in Iraq the Shias are larger numerically. So America will need to baby sit both countries into perpetuity to keep the ethnic and tribal factions from going after each other. And there will be a steady attrition of Americans as this happens. So yes, America is in a quagmire.
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#581. To: christine (#574)
you'vee missed my point. i'm not taking any sides. i don't care. it's not my concern. i don't want it on 4um.
#582. To: buckeroo (#581)
you are fucking with me. BACK-OFF.
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#584. To: bluegrass (#562)
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#585. To: bluegrass (#568)
That's why I'm glad he got an icepick to the brain instead. ; )
#586. To: christine, buckeroo (#583)
#587. To: christine (#583)
#588. To: bluegrass, christine (#587)
You are one patient lady.
#589. To: sneakypete, bluegrass, wudidiz, Original_Intent, buckeroo (#421)
That's right. It's hard to defend yourself against cowards that fight like sneak thief's.
#590. To: AGAviator, sneakypete, bluegrass, Original_Intent, buckeroo, all (#589)
"The trouble with people is not that they don't know but that they know so much that ain't so." ~ Josh Billings
#591. To: wudidiz (#590)
All these wars benefit mostly if not only the elite and the military industrial complex. They are unnecessary and based on lies. The fighting of them by innocent and unaware soldiers which I before thought to be glorious and honorable I now see as sad and tragic.
#592. To: Original_Intent (#591)
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#593. To: Original_Intent, wudidiz (#591)
All these wars benefit mostly if not only the elite and the military industrial complex. They are unnecessary and based on lies.
"It is true that this shows that al Qaeda has gained, but on the other hand it shows that the Bush administration has also gained, something that anyone who looks at the size of the contracts acquired by the shady Bush administration-linked mega- corporations, like Halliburton and its kind, will be convinced.
#594. To: wudidiz (#590)
All these wars benefit mostly if not only the elite and the military industrial complex. They are unnecessary and based on lies.
#595. To: Original_Intent (#591)
"The trouble with people is not that they don't know but that they know so much that ain't so." ~ Josh Billings
#596. To: sneakypete (#594)
"The trouble with people is not that they don't know but that they know so much that ain't so." ~ Josh Billings
#597. To: wudidiz (#595)
#598. To: sneakypete (#594)
I just don't have the time or patience for this nonsense.
#599. To: bluegrass (#568)
If roughly one percent of the population are psychopathic, that means that there about sixty million+ psychopaths roaming around. I wonder if they recognize each other.
#600. To: AGAviator, all (#589)
Between 1979 and 1989, against almost impossible odds, the Afghan mujahideen, with a little logistical help from the US, accomplished what you chest-thumping blowhards were never able to do during the 45-year entire Cold War period.
#601. To: mininggold (#600)
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I thought it interesting that Michael Savage said on one of his programs last week that there is probably not more than 100 Afghans actually fighting against our troops. Does anyone have any info to back this up?
#602. To: mininggold (#600)
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#603. To: christine (#602)
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THE US IS ACTUALLY FIGHTING A VAST, ANCIENT WARRIOR NATION IN AFPAK THAT IS TEN TIMES THE SIZE OF THE SUNNI NATION IN IRAQ AND MANY LESSER NATIONS AND GROUPS WHICH ARE ALSO FIERCE WARRIORS.
#604. To: AGAviator (#601)
#605. To: mininggold (#604)
If we model this surge after the Iraqi one where we pay tribal warlords to "keep the peace", how will the Pushtuns react? Won't they will be the tribe on the outs?
#606. To: AGAviator, All (#605)
#607. To: scrapper2 (#550)
majority Christian nation
#608. To: wbales (#533)
And using my tax money to fund the disproportionate carnage for one side implicates, most unfortunately, me.
#609. To: AGAviator (#605)
#610. To: mirage (#607)
#611. To: scrapper2 (#610)
That's it? That's your response?
#612. To: wbales (#529)
I bet they have long memories, as well.
#613. To: scrapper2 (#479)
Btw, extremists are not unique to the Islamic faith/Muslims - every religious faith/ ethnic group has extremists who advocate or commit acts of violence.
#614. To: mirage, Liberator, sneakypete, any Zionist brainwashed Islamophobes (#612)
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There are jokes among Arabs about taking revenge after only 20 years (or 30 or 50 or whatever) where the punchline is always "Why so soon?"
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#616. To: christine (#574)
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#618. To: mirage, scrapper2 (#613)
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But not every one of those has an entire school (Wahabbisim) that is funded by the Saudi Government that goes forth and preaches violence.
#619. To: scrapper2, bluegrass (#606)
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Bump. Thanks for the info. I don't believe that info is widely known...certainy not by our doofus desk jockeys in the Pentagon
#620. To: wbales, Original_Intent, wudidiz (#614)
Islam breeds violence
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