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Title: Does Islam Breed Violence? (An Iranian-Born American's View)
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URL Source: http://faithfreedom.org/islam/does-islam-breed-violence
Published: Nov 14, 2009
Author: Amil Amani
Post Date: 2009-12-03 22:32:29 by Liberator
Keywords: Islam, Bloody, Muslim, Cult
Views: 59695
Comments: 650
There is a division of the house. On one side are the politically correct in government, the leftist mainstream media, and a raft of Islamist apologists. One and all are tripping over each other in reassuring us that the mass murderers such as Maj. Nidal Malik Hasan and suicide bombers who detonate their explosive vests in crowded marketplaces and even mosques are individual anomalies and Islam is not responsible for what they do. On the other hand are those who have been fed up with the numberless daily horrific acts that are clearly committed under the banner of Islam throughout the world. In all fairness, there needs to be a distinction. Numerous criminal acts are also committed, on a daily basis, by non-Muslims. The critical difference is that non-Muslim criminals do not hoist a religious banner to justify their misdeeds, while the Muslims proudly claim that they commit their heinous acts in obedience to the dictates of their religious faith. Would someone, please, explain what motivated Nidal Hasan who had been, at tax payer’s expense, educated from college all the way through medical school and post medical-school training, to turn his deadly weapons against a nation that gave him everything he had? If Islam had nothing to do with what Maj. Nidal Malik Hasan did, why: * had he repeatedly preached the ascendancy of Islam to the U.S. Constitution? * had he publicly supported Islamic suicide bombing? * had he proclaimed his highest loyalty to Islam? * had he been in contact with violent anti-U.S. Islamists and a virulent Yemeni Imam? * did he distribute copies of the Quran to people the morning of his bloody attack? * did he keep screaming “Allah-o-Akbar” as he heartlessly sprayed over a hundred bullets, killing thirteen and injuring some thirty innocent men and women? Here is the truth, as bitter as it may be. Islam is the culprit. Islam is anything but a religion of peace. Violence is at the very core of Islam. Violence is institutionalized in the Muslim’s holy book, the Quran, in many suras: Qur'an:9:5 "Fight and kill the disbelievers wherever you find them, take them captive, harass them, lie in wait and ambush them using every stratagem of war." Qur'an:9:112 "The Believers fight in Allah's cause; they slay and are slain, kill and are killed." Qur'an:8:39 "So fight them until there is no more Fitnah (disbelief [non-Muslims]) and all submit to the religion of Allah alone (in the whole world)." Qur'an:8:65 "O Prophet, urge the faithful to fight. If there are twenty among you with determination they will vanquish two hundred; if there are a hundred then they will slaughter a thousand unbelievers, for the infidels are a people devoid of understanding." Qur'an:9:38 "Believers, what is the matter with you, that when you are asked to go forth and fight in Allah's Cause you cling to the earth? Do you prefer the life of this world to the Hereafter? Unless you go forth, He will afflict and punish you with a painful doom, and put others in your place." Qur'an:47:4 "When you clash with the unbelieving Infidels in battle (fighting Jihad in Allah's Cause), smite their necks until you overpower them, killing and wounding many of them. At length, when you have thoroughly subdued them, bind them firmly, making (them) captives. Thereafter either generosity or ransom (them based upon what benefits Islam) until the war lays down its burdens. Thus are you commanded by Allah to continue carrying out Jihad against the unbelieving infidels until they submit to Islam." And the Quran is considered by Muslims as the word-for-word literal edicts of the Muslims’ god, Allah. Right from the start, violence served as the engine of Islam under the command and supervision of Muhammad himself. For one, the Prophet’s son-in-law cousin, Ali, was titled the Commander of the Faithful for his unsurpassed feats of butchery. Ali with the assistance of one or two of his thugs, beheaded some seven hundred captives, most of them Jews, in only one day. This man, highly esteemed by the prophet of Allah, had a sword that had its own name—Zolfaghar. Ali’s portrait, holding the menacing sword, adorns the homes and shops throughout Shi’a’-lands. And this man, Ali, is revered by the Shi’a at the same level as Muhammad. On the Sunni side, Muhammad’s co-revered is Umar, another unabashed killer of untold numbers. And of course the choice weapon of these champions of the religion of peace was the sword. And to this day, a sword adorns the flag of the birthplace of the religion of peace, Saudi Arabia. And Islam, by the nature of its very doctrine, appeals to man’s base nature. It promotes intolerance, hatred, discrimination, and much more: Qur'an:61:2 "O Muslims, why say one thing and do another? Grievously odious and hateful is it in the sight of Allah that you say that which you do not. Truly Allah loves those who fight in His Cause in a battle array, as if they were a solid cemented structure." In reality, Islam is like a deadly contagious disease. Once it invades the mind of its victim, this debilitating disease is capable of transforming him to a helpless pawn that has no choice but to execute what he is directed to do. Of the reported 1.3 billion Muslims in the world, millions are already trapped in the terminal stages of this affliction while millions of others are rapidly joining them. The people enslaved with the extreme cases of Islamic mental disease are highly infectious. They actively work to transmit the disease to others, while they themselves engage in horrific acts of mayhem and violence to demonstrate their unconditional obedience to the dictates of the Islamic cult of violence. The savagery and variety of the actions of these Islamic captives are seen daily around the globe. Many of these acts, committed under the banner of Islam, have become so commonplace that the world has come to view them as the normal part and parcel of a troubled humanity. And, from time-to-time, the world is shocked into a passing and momentary realization of the evil deeds these Islamist robots commit and quickly gets over it and does nothing to seriously address this affliction of humanity. The recent dastardly mass murder at Fort Hood, committed by Maj. Nidal Malik Hasan will be forgotten by the public before very long. Life will continue on its deadly course, pushed along in a variety of ways by agents of death, Islamists. Only the families who lost their loved-ones and those who survived the bullets have to live the rest of their lives with incapacitating injuries, in the main, won’t be able to put the episode behind them. The mass murderer Nidal Malik Hasan did not riddle people with bullets under the pressure of momentary insanity. The insanity, ironically, in a man who was trained to help people with sanity was introduced in him from the moment of birth and from the very early years when he prostrated himself five times daily toward Mecca in expression of total submission to the dogma of hate called Islam. Islam is a mental retrovirus that has mutated into numerous varieties and degrees of severity, over the past 1400 years. Everyone born in a Muslim family, as well as those who convert to Islam, contract a particular mutation of the Islamic Virus. As is the case with all retroviruses, the Islamic Virus burrows deeply in the person and erupts, from time-to-time with potentially devastating consequences. The Islamic Virus first divests the person of his most fundamental human attribute. It takes away his right to make decisions himself and absolves him, in return, of any responsibility for his actions rendered in blind obedience to it. A true Muslim does not and cannot believe in freedom of choice. In the religion of Islam—Submission—everything is up to Allah, as clearly and repeatedly stipulated in the Quran .The Raison d'être for the Muslim is to be an unconditional submissive to the will and dictates of Allah. Everything that a “good” Muslim does is contingent upon the will and decree of Allah, he is indoctrinated to believe. Humanity is facing a deeply troubling dilemma. On the one hand is the desire of enlightened people whose aim it is to forge a world of diverse people into one universal society ruled by peace and justice for everyone while, on the other hand, Islamists are hell-bent on imposing their stone-age system on everyone. Tellingly, the Muslims themselves are at one another’s throat regarding which of dozens of Islamic sects’ dogma should rule. For now, Islam is busy with what it did from the time of its birth, fighting the non-Muslims and infighting. Truth be told: Violence is the animating force of Islam. Islam is a religion born through violence, raised by violence, thrives on violence and dies without violence. Author's Bio: Amil Imani is an Iranian-born American citizen and pro-democracy activist residing in the United States of America. Imani is a columnist, literary translator, novelist and an essayist who has been writing and speaking out for the struggling people of his native land, Iran. He and his family escaped Iran after the radical Islamic revolution.
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#184. To: Liberator (#182)
Either produce a list of Moroccan, Albanian, Turzhekestan and Ohio Terrorists or go to hell.
In 2007, the FBI reported on concern about white supremacists recruiting soldiers, saying "hundreds" of neo-Nazis were in the active military. But in April, a Department of Homeland Security report on extremism that reiterated much the same point was widely criticized by veterans groups and some conservative politicians as being unpatriotic, leading the Justice Department to retract the DHS report. Critics acknowledge that extremism in the Army is a touchy political subject. Why are you suddenly picking on Sallies', are you acting like a lamer?
“Gold is the money of kings; silver is the money of gentlemen; barter is the money of peasants; but debt is the money of slaves.”
Didn't like the way the question was phrased. In fact, why should picking a side be the only choice, when I recall plenty of times in real life simply walking away. I'm walking away from government, and hope to write a song about my experience.
In 2007, the FBI reported on concern about white supremacists recruiting soldiers, saying "hundreds" of neo-Nazis were in the active military. But in April, a Department of Homeland Security report on extremism that reiterated much the same point was widely criticized by veterans groups and some conservative politicians as being unpatriotic, leading the Justice Department to retract the DHS report. Critics acknowledge that extremism in the Army is a touchy political subject. NO foreign power influence, lobbyists, and dual-citizens should have ANY say-so in what's right for America - never mind SERVE within our government. Why are We-The-People subservient just because corrupt Elites sell us out to the highest bidder? I want our country back. If allegiance to the Republic and our representative government is violated AND superseded by foreign interests, it's TREASON. I'm afraid though that now the US is merely the final large piece of portfolio of Global Assets; now a commodity to be bought and sold by the Kissinger puppetmeister Elites. Thanks fot the link, JT... Gimme time to peruse it and give you my honest assessment.
I've set my glasses down near the end of my nose a la Charles Gibson and assessed that link.... ROFL
Do you have a point to make, or do we add you to the "Muzzies-are-my-Homies" list?
This ONE story took about ONE second to find. (CNN) -- A former U.S. soldier could face the death penalty after being convicted of raping a 14-year-old Iraqi girl and killing her and her family. Former U.S. soldier Steven Green has been convicted of raping and killing a 14- year-old Iraqi girl. Steven Green of Midland, Texas, was found guilty Thursday in U.S. District Court in Paducah, Kentucky, said court spokeswoman Vanessa Armstrong. She said the penalty phase of the trial begins Monday. Jurors deliberated for more than 10 hours before finding Green guilty of murder, rape, conspiracy and obstruction of justice, according to the court's Web site. Green, 23, was accused of leading a group of soldiers that committed the crimes in 2006 in the Mahmoudiya area, south of Baghdad. They killed the girl's father, mother and younger sister before raping and killing her and burning her body. Last year, then-Pfc. Jesse Spielman received a 110-year sentence in the case for felony murder, conspiracy to commit rape, rape and housebreaking with the intent to commit rape. Three other soldiers charged in the case received sentences ranging from 27 months to 100 ... http://www.cnn.com/2009/WORLD/meast/05/08/kentucky.iraq.soldier.rape/
TRAITORS TO AMERICA AND BRAINWASHED IDIOTS SUPPORT AND DEFEND ISRAEL. TO HELL WITH ZIONISTS AND THIER AMERICAN FRONTS: AIPAC/PNAC/ADL/JPCA/NAACP/CFR/FEDERAL RESERVE/NWO/SPLC/JINSA/ACLU/FPI/CHRISTIAN ZIONISTS/AEI/FEDERAL MEDIA/HOLLYWOOD, et. al.
rape thier women and butcher their children; steal thier land; use white phosphorous on them; bulldoze their homes and farms; poison their water; invade their countries and install corrupt puppet governments; bomb their lands with B-52s; cruise missle their weddings; machine gun their neighborhoods from Apache helicopter gunships; ambush their ambulances; occupy their countries with battle troops; spit on them; unload a paltoon's worth of M-16s into their living rooms; ect....and--very important--keep maintaining that Islam breeds violence. Which of those do you deny? Next?
TRAITORS TO AMERICA AND BRAINWASHED IDIOTS SUPPORT AND DEFEND ISRAEL. TO HELL WITH ZIONISTS AND THIER AMERICAN FRONTS: AIPAC/PNAC/ADL/JPCA/NAACP/CFR/FEDERAL RESERVE/NWO/SPLC/JINSA/ACLU/FPI/CHRISTIAN ZIONISTS/AEI/FEDERAL MEDIA/HOLLYWOOD, et. al.
You are over your head here. Scoot on back to LP.
TRAITORS TO AMERICA AND BRAINWASHED IDIOTS SUPPORT AND DEFEND ISRAEL. TO HELL WITH ZIONISTS AND THIER AMERICAN FRONTS: AIPAC/PNAC/ADL/JPCA/NAACP/CFR/FEDERAL RESERVE/NWO/SPLC/JINSA/ACLU/FPI/CHRISTIAN ZIONISTS/AEI/FEDERAL MEDIA/HOLLYWOOD, et. al.
Lib is just another Jew suckup.
If Islam = Terrorism, as you insist, how do you account for huge populations of peaceful Muslims? When was the last time a Turk threatened you? Are you afraid of Indonesians? Are Moroccans mocking you?
In 2007, the FBI reported on concern about white supremacists recruiting soldiers, saying "hundreds" of neo-Nazis were in the active military. But in April, a Department of Homeland Security report on extremism that reiterated much the same point was widely criticized by veterans groups and some conservative politicians as being unpatriotic, leading the Justice Department to retract the DHS report. Critics acknowledge that extremism in the Army is a touchy political subject. And a waste of time.
TRAITORS TO AMERICA AND BRAINWASHED IDIOTS SUPPORT AND DEFEND ISRAEL. TO HELL WITH ZIONISTS AND THIER AMERICAN FRONTS: AIPAC/PNAC/ADL/JPCA/NAACP/CFR/FEDERAL RESERVE/NWO/SPLC/JINSA/ACLU/FPI/CHRISTIAN ZIONISTS/AEI/FEDERAL MEDIA/HOLLYWOOD, et. al.
I think Lib is cute, let's keep him!
In 2007, the FBI reported on concern about white supremacists recruiting soldiers, saying "hundreds" of neo-Nazis were in the active military. But in April, a Department of Homeland Security report on extremism that reiterated much the same point was widely criticized by veterans groups and some conservative politicians as being unpatriotic, leading the Justice Department to retract the DHS report. Critics acknowledge that extremism in the Army is a touchy political subject. Well...allright...but YOU have to empty the litter box.
TRAITORS TO AMERICA AND BRAINWASHED IDIOTS SUPPORT AND DEFEND ISRAEL. TO HELL WITH ZIONISTS AND THIER AMERICAN FRONTS: AIPAC/PNAC/ADL/JPCA/NAACP/CFR/FEDERAL RESERVE/NWO/SPLC/JINSA/ACLU/FPI/CHRISTIAN ZIONISTS/AEI/FEDERAL MEDIA/HOLLYWOOD, et. al.
Kevin MacDonald on Jews and Immigration
Does Islam Breed Violence? --------------------- Damn right! So Amerisrael should continue to: rape thier women and butcher their children; steal thier land; use white phosphorous on them; bulldoze their homes and farms; poison their water; invade their countries and install corrupt puppet governments; bomb their lands with B-52s; cruise missle their weddings; machine gun their neighborhoods from Apache helicopter gunships; ambush their ambulances; occupy their countries with battle troops; spit on them; unload a paltoon's worth of M-16s into their living rooms; ect....and--very important--keep maintaining that Islam breeds violence. Should you be so inclined, what is your opinion on my statement/observation/position?
TRAITORS TO AMERICA AND BRAINWASHED IDIOTS SUPPORT AND DEFEND ISRAEL. TO HELL WITH ZIONISTS AND THIER AMERICAN FRONTS: AIPAC/PNAC/ADL/JPCA/NAACP/CFR/FEDERAL RESERVE/NWO/SPLC/JINSA/ACLU/FPI/CHRISTIAN ZIONISTS/AEI/FEDERAL MEDIA/HOLLYWOOD, et. al.
Muslims are NOT our problem. My tagline is.
TRAITORS TO AMERICA AND BRAINWASHED IDIOTS SUPPORT AND DEFEND ISRAEL. TO HELL WITH ZIONISTS AND THIER AMERICAN FRONTS: AIPAC/PNAC/ADL/JPCA/NAACP/CFR/FEDERAL RESERVE/NWO/SPLC/JINSA/ACLU/FPI/CHRISTIAN ZIONISTS/AEI/FEDERAL MEDIA/HOLLYWOOD, et. al.
Thanks for that.
Isn't that what the SPLC is for?
In 2007, the FBI reported on concern about white supremacists recruiting soldiers, saying "hundreds" of neo-Nazis were in the active military. But in April, a Department of Homeland Security report on extremism that reiterated much the same point was widely criticized by veterans groups and some conservative politicians as being unpatriotic, leading the Justice Department to retract the DHS report. Critics acknowledge that extremism in the Army is a touchy political subject. Well, the very smelly, black clad odd balls in NJ, that I lived near for two years, sucked hard.
Interesting and true. And allow me: on 09/12 and for the following 7 years, Bush did not lock down/secure this nation's borders. 1) this, IMO, proves "Homeland Security" & "War on Terror" to be 100% fraud 2) as you point out, illegal immigration/invasion continued unfettered and, my point, 3) the illegal drug trade continued full speed ahead, unabated-- add to that the Afghan opium crop which is NOW flourishing under US--well, well, well.... Who is making all those $Trillions on otherwise cheap chemicals???? [christine, I know you have previously mentioned the Afghan drug angle, so I ping you]
TRAITORS TO AMERICA AND BRAINWASHED IDIOTS SUPPORT AND DEFEND ISRAEL. TO HELL WITH ZIONISTS AND THIER AMERICAN FRONTS: AIPAC/PNAC/ADL/JPCA/NAACP/CFR/FEDERAL RESERVE/NWO/SPLC/JINSA/ACLU/FPI/CHRISTIAN ZIONISTS/AEI/FEDERAL MEDIA/HOLLYWOOD, et. al.
You are very welcome, sir. YouTube has a number of excellent MacDonald interviews regarding Jewish influence.
The first pillar of Islam is Belief and Witness - believing and professing the unity of God and the messengership of Muhammad, teaching others about Islam but do not use coersion to convert them. There are those who choose to distort the scriptures and abuse it, just as in other religions, even in Christianity. Most of the slaves brought here from Africa were of Muslim faith. They were forbidden to practice their own faith and forced to convert to Christianity. They see Christianity as part of the oppression they suffered under the white man as slaves and early on after they were freed. There are many movements now dedicated to helping them revert back to their ancestral religion - Islam. I've been studying their beliefs this week and the stereotypes are disgustingly misleading. Believe whatever you want to believe. Most of our ancestors came here to escape religious prosecution - they came here to practice their beliefs in peace. Our nation was founded on freedoms, the freedom of religion included. Get off your high horse. Your religion has done just as much damage as anyone elses.
You might have to. He's working on pissing Goldi off so bad she's threatening to retire his account.
Here is another thing that just slays me. The Muslim psycho fanatic MFers (I'll give you that, JT) will cut your hands off if they catch you with drugs-- but now that we're there--the poppies are blooming again! And, yet, the American sheeple hear this from the federal media-- the "terrorists" are using drug money to finance their "terrorist" operations. BEAM ME UP SCOTTIE!!
TRAITORS TO AMERICA AND BRAINWASHED IDIOTS SUPPORT AND DEFEND ISRAEL. TO HELL WITH ZIONISTS AND THIER AMERICAN FRONTS: AIPAC/PNAC/ADL/JPCA/NAACP/CFR/FEDERAL RESERVE/NWO/SPLC/JINSA/ACLU/FPI/CHRISTIAN ZIONISTS/AEI/FEDERAL MEDIA/HOLLYWOOD, et. al.
HEY! Hitler was a Christian!
I cannot see that from two peas in a pod.
TRAITORS TO AMERICA AND BRAINWASHED IDIOTS SUPPORT AND DEFEND ISRAEL. TO HELL WITH ZIONISTS AND THIER AMERICAN FRONTS: AIPAC/PNAC/ADL/JPCA/NAACP/CFR/FEDERAL RESERVE/NWO/SPLC/JINSA/ACLU/FPI/CHRISTIAN ZIONISTS/AEI/FEDERAL MEDIA/HOLLYWOOD, et. al.
Does that include anyone with an almanac?
In 2007, the FBI reported on concern about white supremacists recruiting soldiers, saying "hundreds" of neo-Nazis were in the active military. But in April, a Department of Homeland Security report on extremism that reiterated much the same point was widely criticized by veterans groups and some conservative politicians as being unpatriotic, leading the Justice Department to retract the DHS report. Critics acknowledge that extremism in the Army is a touchy political subject. I believe the short answer would be: Yes. Of course there are Muslims who are peaceful- but the violence by radical Muslims, throughout history is there. That can not be denied.
lol.
Hitler was a "Christian" like 0bama was a Christian.
Thus spake der Sheckelgrubber.
In 2007, the FBI reported on concern about white supremacists recruiting soldiers, saying "hundreds" of neo-Nazis were in the active military. But in April, a Department of Homeland Security report on extremism that reiterated much the same point was widely criticized by veterans groups and some conservative politicians as being unpatriotic, leading the Justice Department to retract the DHS report. Critics acknowledge that extremism in the Army is a touchy political subject. Godwin's law is so good. It is always the mentally challenged who are the first ones to bring up Hitler, in a discussion. ;)
It IS denied here at this forum or justified. By the response of the majority of posts defending Islam on this thread, I can't tell whether this forum is actually 'Freedom 4um' OR MajorNadal.org. The issue Diva isn't about individual peaceful Muslims, but what happens when they arise en masse "in the name of Allah."
True - and in the same sense some psychos are Muslim, Jewish, Christian, etc. etc. etc.
The "Hitler was a Christian" claim is...insane. I'm not surprised who the one was who brought it up. Ironically, I once had a heating discussion with a Jewish citizen of Germany circa WWII who INSISTED Hitler was a "Christian"; Ergo he blamed ALL "Christians" for Nazism. On this very thread someone has posted how Hitler resented a population of Christians as his foil and instead wished they were Muslim.
You will be interested in this lib: Was Hitler a Christian? By John Baskette - but the information came from Marty Helgesen in a soc.religion.christian post. The claim is sometimes made that Hitler was a Christian - a Roman Catholic until the day he died. In fact, Hitler rejected Christianity. The book Hitler's Secret Conversations 1941-1944 published by Farrar, Straus and Young, Inc.first edition, 1953, contains definitive proof of Hitler's real views. The book was published in Britain under the title, _Hitler's Table Talk 1941-1944, which title was used for the Oxford University Press paperback edition in the United States. All of these are quotes from Adolf Hitler: Night of 11th-12th July, 1941: National Socialism and religion cannot exist together.... The heaviest blow that ever struck humanity was the coming of Christianity. Bolshevism is Christianity's illegitimate child. Both are inventions of the Jew. The deliberate lie in the matter of religion was introduced into the world by Christianity.... Let it not be said that Christianity brought man the life of the soul, for that evolution was in the natural order of things. (p 6 & 7) 10th October, 1941, midday: Christianity is a rebellion against natural law, a protest against nature. Taken to its logical extreme, Christianity would mean the systematic cultivation of the human failure. (p 43) 14th October, 1941, midday: The best thing is to let Christianity die a natural death.... When understanding of the universe has become widespread... Christian doctrine will be convicted of absurdity.... Christianity has reached the peak of absurdity.... And that's why someday its structure will collapse.... ...the only way to get rid of Christianity is to allow it to die little by little.... Christianity the liar.... We'll see to it that the Churches cannot spread abroad teachings in conflict with the interests of the State. (p 49-52) 19th October, 1941, night: The reason why the ancient world was so pure, light and serene was that it knew nothing of the two great scourges: the pox and Christianity. 21st October, 1941, midday: Originally, Christianity was merely an incarnation of Bolshevism, the destroyer.... The decisive falsification of Jesus' doctrine was the work of St.Paul. He gave himself to this work... for the purposes of personal exploitation.... Didn't the world see, carried on right into the Middle Ages, the same old system of martyrs, tortures, faggots? Of old, it was in the name of Christianity. Today, it's in the name of Bolshevism. Yesterday the instigator was Saul: the instigator today, Mardochai. Saul was changed into St.Paul, and Mardochai into Karl Marx. By exterminating this pest, we shall do humanity a service of which our soldiers can have no idea. (p 63-65) 13th December, 1941, midnight: Christianity is an invention of sick brains: one could imagine nothing more senseless, nor any more indecent way of turning the idea of the Godhead into a mockery.... .... When all is said, we have no reason to wish that the Italians and Spaniards should free themselves from the drug of Christianity. Let's be the only people who are immunised against the disease. (p 118 & 119) 14th December, 1941, midday: Kerrl, with noblest of intentions, wanted to attempt a synthesis between National Socialism and Christianity. I don't believe the thing's possible, and I see the obstacle in Christianity itself.... Pure Christianity-- the Christianity of the catacombs-- is concerned with translating Christian doctrine into facts. It leads quite simply to the annihilation of mankind. It is merely whole-hearted Bolshevism, under a tinsel of metaphysics. (p 119 & 120) 9th April, 1942, dinner: There is something very unhealthy about Christianity (p 339) 27th February, 1942, midday: It would always be disagreeable for me to go down to posterity as a man who made concessions in this field. I realize that man, in his imperfection, can commit innumerable errors-- but to devote myself deliberately to errors, that is something I cannot do. I shall never come personally to terms with the Christian lie. Our epoch Uin the next 200 yearse will certainly see the end of the disease of Christianity.... My regret will have been that I couldn't... behold ." (p 278) A reader asks,"Where did the quotes from Hitler's Secret Conversations come from? How do we know that they are accurate?" Hitler's Secret Conversations is a translation of a document called the "Bormann-Vermerke" or Borrman endorsements. They are a collection of hand written notes made by Martin Bormann who was Hitler's personal secretary during the war. Bormann is known to have been an extraordinarily powerful figure in Nazi Germany and a notorious opponent of Christianity. There is no real dispute regarding the authenticity of these notes. They are what Borrman wrote. They are published in the original German in Adolf Hitler, Monologe im Führerhauptquartier 1941-1944. published by Orbis Verlag, Hamburg, Approved Special Edition in 2000. The quotes are disputed by some because Hitler is often quoted as publically professing to be a Christian. The simplest reconciliation of this seeming contradiction is that Hitler lied to gain the support of the German people, 90% of whom where professing Christians. What follows is an excerpt from "Inside the Third Reich" by Hitler's chief architect and minister of Armaments, Albert Speer. It illuminates how Hitler "adapted his remarks to his surroundings", thus making himself a friend of the church when it was convenient. It is also another independent witness to Hitler's true feeling regarding Christianity -- it was meek and flabby, Germany would have been better off if Islam had conquered Europe after the battle of Tours, and that Germany had the misfortune of having the wrong religion. From Inside the Third Reich, Memiors by Albert Speer, Translated from the German by Richard and Clara Winston, Avon Publishers, 1970: What remains in my memory of social life at Obersalzberg is a curious vacuity. Fortunately, during my first years of imprisonment, while my recollections were still fresh, I noted down a few scraps of conversations which I can now regard as reasonably authentic.... Amid his political associates in Berlin, Hitler made harsh pronouncements against the church, but in the presence of women he adopted a milder tone -- one of the instances where he adapted his remarks to his surroundings. "The church is certainly necessary for the people. It is a strong and conservative element," he might say at one time or another in this private circle. However, he conceived of the church as an instrument that could be useful to him. "If only Reibi [this was his nickname for Reich Bishop Ludwig Müller] had some kind of stature. But why do they appoint a nobody of an army chaplain? I'd be glad to give him my full support. Think of all he could do with that. Through me the Evangelical [Protestant] Church could become the established church, as in England." Even after 1942 Hitler went on maintaining that he regarded the church as indispensable in political life. He would be happy, he said in one of those teatime talks at Obersalzberg, if someday a prominent churchman turned up who was suited to lead one of the churches -- or if possible both the Catholic and Protestant churches reunited. He still regretted that Reich Bishop Müller was not the right man to carry out his far-reaching plans. But he sharply condemned the campaign against the church, calling it a crime against the future of the nation. For it was impossible, he said, to replace the church by any "party ideology." Undoubtedly, he continued, the church would learn to adapt to the political goals of National Socialism in the long run, as it had always adapted in the course of history. A new party religion would only bring about a relapse into the mysticism of the Middle Ages. The growing SS myth showed that clearly enough, as did Rosenburg's unreadable Myth of the Twentieth Century. If in the course of such a monologue Hitler had pronounced a more negative judgment upon the church, Bormann would undoubtedly have taken from his jacket pocket one of the white cards he always carried with him. For he noted down all Hitler's remarks that seemed to him important; and there was hardly anything he wrote down more eagerly than deprecating comments on the church. At the time I assumed that he was gathering material for a biography of Hitler. Around 1937, when Hitler heard that at the instigation of the party and the SS vast numbers of his followers had left the church because it was obstinately opposing his plans, he nevertheless ordered his chief associates, above all Goering and Goebbels, to remain members of the church. He too would remain a member of the Catholic Church, he said, although he had no real attachment to it. And in fact he remained in the church until his suicide. Hitler had been much impressed by a scrap of history he had learned from a delegation of distinguished Arabs. When the Mohammedans attempted to penetrate beyond France into Central Europe during the eight century, his visitors had told him, they had been driven back at the battle of Tours. Had the Arabs won this battle, the world would be Mohammedan today. For theirs was a religion that believed in spreading the faith by the sword and subjugating all nations to that faith. The Germanic peoples would have become the heirs to that religion. Such a creed was perfectly suited to the Germanic temperament. Hitler said that the conquering Arabs, because of their racial inferiority, would in the long run have been unable to contend with the harsher climate and conditions of the country. They could not have kept down the more vigorous natives, so that ultimately not Arabs but Islamized Germans could have stood at the head of this Mohammedan Empire. Hitler usually concluded this historical speculation by remarking: "You see, it's been our misfortune to have the wrong religion. Why didn't we have the religion of the Japaneses, who regard sacrifice for the Fatherland as the highest good? The Mohammedan religion too would have been much more compatible to use than Christianity with its meekness and flabbiness?"
Speaking of "psycho"...
It's good you recognize that because it was your (mentally challenged) friend Liberator who was first to bring up Hitler. ;-)
Yes. Insane people say insane things.
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#185. To: Dakmar. (#184)
#186. To: buckeroo (#185)
#187. To: Jethro Tull (#183)
#188. To: Jethro Tull (#183)
#189. To: Dakmar (#184)
Either produce a list of Moroccan, Albanian, Turzhekestan and Ohio Terrorists or go to hell.
#190. To: Liberator (#182)
#191. To: Liberator (#182)
#192. To: Liberator (#189)
#193. To: wbales (#192)
You are over your head here.
#194. To: Liberator (#189)
Do you have a point to make, or do we add you to the "Muzzies-are-my-Homies" list?
#195. To: Cynicom (#193)
Lib is just another Jew suckup.
#196. To: wbales, Liberator, christine (#195)
#197. To: Dakmar (#196)
I think Lib is cute, let's keep him!
#198. To: Jethro Tull, Liberator (#183)
#199. To: sneakypete (#146)
#200. To: Jethro Tull (#183)
I'd be thrilled if all the Muslims left this country.
#201. To: Disgusted (#198)
#202. To: wbales (#197)
YOU have to empty the litter box.
#203. To: wbales (#200)
Muslims are NOT our problem.
#204. To: Disgusted, christine (#198)
Kevin MacDonald on Jews and Immigration
#205. To: Cynicom (#201)
#206. To: Liberator (#2)
#207. To: Dakmar, wbales, Liberator, christine (#196)
I think Lib is cute, let's keep him!
#208. To: Disgusted, Jethro Tull, christine, Cynicom (#205)
#209. To: Liberator (#11)
That's almost as significant as Adolf Hitler welcoming Neville Chamberlain to Germany in 1938:
#210. To: mel_living (#207)
He's working on pissing Goldi off so bad she's threatening to retire his account
#211. To: wbales (#208)
And, yet, the American sheeple hear this from the federal media-- the "terrorists" are using drug money to finance their "terrorist" operations.
#212. To: Liberator (#0)
#213. To: wbales (#210)
#214. To: mel_living (#209)
HEY! Hitler was a Christian!
#215. To: Liberator (#214)
(Edited)
Hitler was a "Christian" like 0bama was a Christian.
#216. To: Liberator (#214)
#217. To: diva betsy ross (#212)
The violence by radical Muslims, throughout history is there. That can not be denied.
#218. To: Liberator (#214)
Hitler was a "Christian" like 0bama was a Christian.
#219. To: diva betsy ross (#216)
Godwin's law is so good. It is always the mentally challenged who are the first ones to bring up Hitler, in a discussion.
#220. To: Liberator (#217)
#221. To: mel_living (#218)
True - and in the same sense some psychos are Muslim, Jewish, Christian, etc. etc. etc.
#222. To: diva betsy ross (#216)
It is always the mentally challenged who are the first ones to bring up Hitler, in a discussion
#223. To: Liberator (#219)
The "Hitler was a Christian" claim is...insane. I'm not surprised who the one was who brought it up.
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