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Title: Does Islam Breed Violence? (An Iranian-Born American's View)
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URL Source: http://faithfreedom.org/islam/does-islam-breed-violence
Published: Nov 14, 2009
Author: Amil Amani
Post Date: 2009-12-03 22:32:29 by Liberator
Keywords: Islam, Bloody, Muslim, Cult
Views: 59604
Comments: 650
There is a division of the house. On one side are the politically correct in government, the leftist mainstream media, and a raft of Islamist apologists. One and all are tripping over each other in reassuring us that the mass murderers such as Maj. Nidal Malik Hasan and suicide bombers who detonate their explosive vests in crowded marketplaces and even mosques are individual anomalies and Islam is not responsible for what they do. On the other hand are those who have been fed up with the numberless daily horrific acts that are clearly committed under the banner of Islam throughout the world. In all fairness, there needs to be a distinction. Numerous criminal acts are also committed, on a daily basis, by non-Muslims. The critical difference is that non-Muslim criminals do not hoist a religious banner to justify their misdeeds, while the Muslims proudly claim that they commit their heinous acts in obedience to the dictates of their religious faith. Would someone, please, explain what motivated Nidal Hasan who had been, at tax payer’s expense, educated from college all the way through medical school and post medical-school training, to turn his deadly weapons against a nation that gave him everything he had? If Islam had nothing to do with what Maj. Nidal Malik Hasan did, why: * had he repeatedly preached the ascendancy of Islam to the U.S. Constitution? * had he publicly supported Islamic suicide bombing? * had he proclaimed his highest loyalty to Islam? * had he been in contact with violent anti-U.S. Islamists and a virulent Yemeni Imam? * did he distribute copies of the Quran to people the morning of his bloody attack? * did he keep screaming “Allah-o-Akbar” as he heartlessly sprayed over a hundred bullets, killing thirteen and injuring some thirty innocent men and women? Here is the truth, as bitter as it may be. Islam is the culprit. Islam is anything but a religion of peace. Violence is at the very core of Islam. Violence is institutionalized in the Muslim’s holy book, the Quran, in many suras: Qur'an:9:5 "Fight and kill the disbelievers wherever you find them, take them captive, harass them, lie in wait and ambush them using every stratagem of war." Qur'an:9:112 "The Believers fight in Allah's cause; they slay and are slain, kill and are killed." Qur'an:8:39 "So fight them until there is no more Fitnah (disbelief [non-Muslims]) and all submit to the religion of Allah alone (in the whole world)." Qur'an:8:65 "O Prophet, urge the faithful to fight. If there are twenty among you with determination they will vanquish two hundred; if there are a hundred then they will slaughter a thousand unbelievers, for the infidels are a people devoid of understanding." Qur'an:9:38 "Believers, what is the matter with you, that when you are asked to go forth and fight in Allah's Cause you cling to the earth? Do you prefer the life of this world to the Hereafter? Unless you go forth, He will afflict and punish you with a painful doom, and put others in your place." Qur'an:47:4 "When you clash with the unbelieving Infidels in battle (fighting Jihad in Allah's Cause), smite their necks until you overpower them, killing and wounding many of them. At length, when you have thoroughly subdued them, bind them firmly, making (them) captives. Thereafter either generosity or ransom (them based upon what benefits Islam) until the war lays down its burdens. Thus are you commanded by Allah to continue carrying out Jihad against the unbelieving infidels until they submit to Islam." And the Quran is considered by Muslims as the word-for-word literal edicts of the Muslims’ god, Allah. Right from the start, violence served as the engine of Islam under the command and supervision of Muhammad himself. For one, the Prophet’s son-in-law cousin, Ali, was titled the Commander of the Faithful for his unsurpassed feats of butchery. Ali with the assistance of one or two of his thugs, beheaded some seven hundred captives, most of them Jews, in only one day. This man, highly esteemed by the prophet of Allah, had a sword that had its own name—Zolfaghar. Ali’s portrait, holding the menacing sword, adorns the homes and shops throughout Shi’a’-lands. And this man, Ali, is revered by the Shi’a at the same level as Muhammad. On the Sunni side, Muhammad’s co-revered is Umar, another unabashed killer of untold numbers. And of course the choice weapon of these champions of the religion of peace was the sword. And to this day, a sword adorns the flag of the birthplace of the religion of peace, Saudi Arabia. And Islam, by the nature of its very doctrine, appeals to man’s base nature. It promotes intolerance, hatred, discrimination, and much more: Qur'an:61:2 "O Muslims, why say one thing and do another? Grievously odious and hateful is it in the sight of Allah that you say that which you do not. Truly Allah loves those who fight in His Cause in a battle array, as if they were a solid cemented structure." In reality, Islam is like a deadly contagious disease. Once it invades the mind of its victim, this debilitating disease is capable of transforming him to a helpless pawn that has no choice but to execute what he is directed to do. Of the reported 1.3 billion Muslims in the world, millions are already trapped in the terminal stages of this affliction while millions of others are rapidly joining them. The people enslaved with the extreme cases of Islamic mental disease are highly infectious. They actively work to transmit the disease to others, while they themselves engage in horrific acts of mayhem and violence to demonstrate their unconditional obedience to the dictates of the Islamic cult of violence. The savagery and variety of the actions of these Islamic captives are seen daily around the globe. Many of these acts, committed under the banner of Islam, have become so commonplace that the world has come to view them as the normal part and parcel of a troubled humanity. And, from time-to-time, the world is shocked into a passing and momentary realization of the evil deeds these Islamist robots commit and quickly gets over it and does nothing to seriously address this affliction of humanity. The recent dastardly mass murder at Fort Hood, committed by Maj. Nidal Malik Hasan will be forgotten by the public before very long. Life will continue on its deadly course, pushed along in a variety of ways by agents of death, Islamists. Only the families who lost their loved-ones and those who survived the bullets have to live the rest of their lives with incapacitating injuries, in the main, won’t be able to put the episode behind them. The mass murderer Nidal Malik Hasan did not riddle people with bullets under the pressure of momentary insanity. The insanity, ironically, in a man who was trained to help people with sanity was introduced in him from the moment of birth and from the very early years when he prostrated himself five times daily toward Mecca in expression of total submission to the dogma of hate called Islam. Islam is a mental retrovirus that has mutated into numerous varieties and degrees of severity, over the past 1400 years. Everyone born in a Muslim family, as well as those who convert to Islam, contract a particular mutation of the Islamic Virus. As is the case with all retroviruses, the Islamic Virus burrows deeply in the person and erupts, from time-to-time with potentially devastating consequences. The Islamic Virus first divests the person of his most fundamental human attribute. It takes away his right to make decisions himself and absolves him, in return, of any responsibility for his actions rendered in blind obedience to it. A true Muslim does not and cannot believe in freedom of choice. In the religion of Islam—Submission—everything is up to Allah, as clearly and repeatedly stipulated in the Quran .The Raison d'être for the Muslim is to be an unconditional submissive to the will and dictates of Allah. Everything that a “good” Muslim does is contingent upon the will and decree of Allah, he is indoctrinated to believe. Humanity is facing a deeply troubling dilemma. On the one hand is the desire of enlightened people whose aim it is to forge a world of diverse people into one universal society ruled by peace and justice for everyone while, on the other hand, Islamists are hell-bent on imposing their stone-age system on everyone. Tellingly, the Muslims themselves are at one another’s throat regarding which of dozens of Islamic sects’ dogma should rule. For now, Islam is busy with what it did from the time of its birth, fighting the non-Muslims and infighting. Truth be told: Violence is the animating force of Islam. Islam is a religion born through violence, raised by violence, thrives on violence and dies without violence. Author's Bio: Amil Imani is an Iranian-born American citizen and pro-democracy activist residing in the United States of America. Imani is a columnist, literary translator, novelist and an essayist who has been writing and speaking out for the struggling people of his native land, Iran. He and his family escaped Iran after the radical Islamic revolution.
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#476. To: noone222 (#341)
I don't remember. That was a long time ago for me.
Gotta to keep the MIC well supplied with capital.
AGA - Islam is a major world religion .... it is estimated that there are about 2Billion followers.
“Gold is the money of kings; silver is the money of gentlemen; barter is the money of peasants; but debt is the money of slaves.”
No offense, mirage, but I think you are wrong about AGAviator. Admittedly I've come late to this thread because the title of the article put me off just as another article title about Jews did. However, based on my readings of the last 25-50 posts made by AGAviator, imo, he's only been defending Muslims from broad brush stroke prejudices that other posters like sneaky pete and Liberator have expressed on multiple occasions. AGAviator has tried add some balance some perspective to this thread that was sorely needed frankly. Furthermore, AGAviator has not defended violent actions committed by Muslim extremists, who represent a very small percentage of Muslims as a whole. Btw, extremists are not unique to the Islamic faith/Muslims - every religious faith/ ethnic group has extremists who advocate or commit acts of violence.
Exactly.
Fisher, M. P. (2005). Living religions (6th ed.). It's not my perspective. It's fact - recorded history.
Highlight that! excellent post, O_I
I think a statement with more truth to it would read: Most of the slaves brought here from Africa were captured by and sold into slavery initially by many of the Muslim faith, placed on board ships many of which were owned and financed by Jews, and sold to plantations and other interested parties most of which were Christians.
Mel - As always you hold onto some insignificant and meaningless opinion as fact. The main methods of the slave trade from Africa imported into the western colonies [new world] were by the Portuguese exploiting localized Afican tribes, whom were at war with each other. You are a “Gold is the money of kings; silver is the money of gentlemen; barter is the money of peasants; but debt is the money of slaves.”
Post 481 is an excerpt of historical facts. I made no statement about who captured the slaves, who owned the ships, etc.
There were English, Portugese, Spanish, and Dutch Jews all involved in the slave trade. Not only that but Jews were quite involved with abducting Slavs from Eastern Europe and taking them south to the Moors.
"By your sword you shall live, and your brother you shall serve. But when you become restive, you will cast his yoke from off your neck." Genesis 27:40
Either you have documents facts to refute the documented facts I posted, or you're simply trying to pick a fight. Neither one is going to happen. Have a good day.
{{{applauding}}} i've said that at least 3 times on this thread and it's gone ignored.
Do you realize what Mel attempted to portray with her god-damned lie? She was saying [in effect] that Muslims practice slavery when in fact it was Christians. That bitch needs some heavy slapping around.
“Gold is the money of kings; silver is the money of gentlemen; barter is the money of peasants; but debt is the money of slaves.”
I've been posting on the Internet for over 12 years and never once have I said that Islam is a superior belief system, or the Koran justifies the things the suicide bombers and the screamy Heebies say it does. But as I've said already the Jews and the WOT supporters cannot discuss the subject at any length without resorting to hyperbole, name calling, and appeals to emotionalism because their position is unsupported by either facts or logic when you look at the big picture.
"By your sword you shall live, and your brother you shall serve. But when you become restive, you will cast his yoke from off your neck." Genesis 27:40
Many does not mean most. Yet where is the evidence that African slaves brought teachings and practices from the Koran to the New World? That author is basing his theory on an unproven premise. And don't forget also that most Caribbean Indian tribes were captured and enslaved by good Christians right here in the New World without an ounce of Muslim help.
PS - I wasn't discussing the slave tade. I was discussing the religion of the slaves brought here from [West] Africa and their forced conversion to Christianity and why they have been converting back to Islam.
Good. I hope the door slaps you on your ass as you exit.
“Gold is the money of kings; silver is the money of gentlemen; barter is the money of peasants; but debt is the money of slaves.”
Historically, both of them have.
"By your sword you shall live, and your brother you shall serve. But when you become restive, you will cast his yoke from off your neck." Genesis 27:40
What is your opinion of Israel using white phosphorous bombs on the Gaza populace?
TRAITORS TO AMERICA AND BRAINWASHED IDIOTS SUPPORT AND DEFEND ISRAEL. TO HELL WITH ZIONISTS AND THIER AMERICAN FRONTS: AIPAC/PNAC/ADL/JPCA/NAACP/CFR/FEDERAL RESERVE/NWO/SPLC/JINSA/ACLU/FPI/CHRISTIAN ZIONISTS/AEI/FEDERAL MEDIA/HOLLYWOOD, et. al.
I stated no such thing. Isn't it a bit early to be hitting the bottle?
You are full of shit. I called you out on your god-damned lies and all you produce is some ignorant opinion. Muslims don't run run around a HOT-POT with Christian missionaries subdued in the same; moreover on the West Coast of Africa, the Muslim faith wasn't established until the last century.
“Gold is the money of kings; silver is the money of gentlemen; barter is the money of peasants; but debt is the money of slaves.”
Who wants to be thought of as an 'anti-Semite'? Like being considered a terrorist. But it's better to know the truth. Ignorance is not bliss. It's just ignorance.
It's a generalized summary by the text book's author. I see no document or references listed. A text book is not a reference.
Only those slaves from [West] Africa. I inadvertantly left out the "West" pat in my original post. It's not theory and it's not unproven. Seiously? lol. They were not allowed to practice their religion. They were forced to practice Christianity. Still, they maintained some pat of their ancestral religion in secret. Here's some more from the text:
Many of the South American plantations were owned by Dutch and Portuguese Jews. The 17th and 18th century was quite a heyday for European Jewish slavedealers/owners in the Caribbean and South America.
I produced well-researched, scholary documentation of History - You produced foul language. Do you even know who actually recognized Muhammad as a Prophet? A Christian Monk. True Muslims live in peace with all other religions, as they are commanded by Allah. Those commands wre given by Allah to Muhammad and recorded in the Qur'an by the scribe hired by Muhammad.
Christian faith conquered the world. From war to raping little girls all over the world. You don't read that same set of issues with the Muslim religion, so your perspective is [akin to Mel's BS]... sorry you receive my wrath but Christianity as practiced in the 18th and 19th centuries was pure torture. Ever hear about the Spanish Inquisition?
“Gold is the money of kings; silver is the money of gentlemen; barter is the money of peasants; but debt is the money of slaves.”
FUCK YOU!
“Gold is the money of kings; silver is the money of gentlemen; barter is the money of peasants; but debt is the money of slaves.”
Thank you for the kind words. My one and only goal is to convince people to look honestly at the honest facts. And quixotically in so doing help in my own small way to bring to an end the horrors that visit our world. "An education isn't how much you have committed to memory, or even how much you know. It's being able to differentiate between what you know and what you don't. ~ Anatole France
I agree-excellent post.
TRAITORS TO AMERICA AND BRAINWASHED IDIOTS SUPPORT AND DEFEND ISRAEL. TO HELL WITH ZIONISTS AND THIER AMERICAN FRONTS: AIPAC/PNAC/ADL/JPCA/NAACP/CFR/FEDERAL RESERVE/NWO/SPLC/JINSA/ACLU/FPI/CHRISTIAN ZIONISTS/AEI/FEDERAL MEDIA/HOLLYWOOD, et. al.
Ignorance is not bliss. It's just ignorance. Which reminds me of a T-Shirt I saw in the window of a shop near the University of Washington: The reality is that it is.
"An education isn't how much you have committed to memory, or even how much you know. It's being able to differentiate between what you know and what you don't. ~ Anatole France
They kept many parts of their tribal culture hidden but still practiced especially in the Caribbean Islands. Yet not an ounce of the Koran made it through until it's "revival" by Jewish white liberals in the seventies. To take advantage of the upcoming need for Black distinction and division among the races in this country, plus Indian power, feminism, gay rights and even animal rights got their start then too and by many of the same people most of whom belonged to an ancient tribe. This killed the melting pot theory in it's tracks. Who would be the least interested in assimilating?
I hate to tell you this but you will need to learn this before you start your thesis, you gave a text book summary as a reference. That would have killed your thesis 30 years ago.
"An education isn't how much you have committed to memory, or even how much you know. It's being able to differentiate between what you know and what you don't. ~ Anatole France
Murder is murder, is it not?
COMRADE! Why are you not showing your Party affiliation and showing proper respect for Dear Leader? Put your Barackstika armband on RIGHT NOW!
So you want the authors refrences as well? No problem. Then you have to post your evidence that refutes what I have posted deal? I can hang out and tell people thy are wrong all day long, but without any evidence to show them they are wrong, my words would mean nothing. So cough up your evidence. I should remind you that one must be well learned in a subject in order to write a text book for use in University courses. The authors refrences: Ahmed, Akbar, S., Islam Under Siege, Cambridge: Polity Press, 2003. Careful explanation of Islamic ideals and concerns in the context of contemporary violence in the name of Islam. Ahmed, Akbar S., Discovering Islam: Making Sense of Muslim History and Society, London and New York: Routledge, revised edition, 2002. A well-known Pakistani diplomat and scholar teaching in the United States offers keen insights into the spirituality and history of modern Muslim cultures. Ali, Maulana Muhammad, The Religion of Islam, sixth edition, Columbus, Ohio: Ahmadiyya Anjuman Isha’at Islam, 1994. A classic reference explaining all aspects of Muslim belief and practice, with extensive scriptural quotations. Armstrong, Karen, The Battle for God, New York: Alfred A. Knopf, 2000. A monumental study of the development of fundamentalism in the United States, Israel, and Egypt in response to modernity. Dessouki, Ali E. Hillal, ed., Islamic Resurgence in the Arab World, New York: Praeger Publishers, 1982. A scholarly study of the contemporary Islamic resurgence in specific Arab nations. Esack, Farid, Qur’an, Liberation and Pluralism: An Islamic Perspective of Interreligious Solidarity against Oppression, Oxford: Oneworld Publications, 1997. A first-person account of the struggle for justice in South Africa from the point of view of a Muslim scholar and activist, exploring Qur’anic principles that lead to inter-religious fraternity. Esposito, John L., The Islamic Threat: Myth or Reality?, third edition, New York: Oxford University Press, 1999. An insighful survey of militant Islamic movements around the world. Esposito, John L., Islam: The Straight Path, New York, Oxford: Oxford University Press, 1988. A scholarly, clear introduction to historical and contemporary Islam. Hefner, Robert W. and Patricia Horvatich, eds., Islam in an Era of Nation- states: Politics and Religious Renewal in Muslim Southeast Asia, Honolulu: University of Hawaii Press, 1997. Detailed analyses of Muslim reformist movements in Southeast Asia with reference to modern governmental structures. The Holy Qur’an. Although the Qur’an is considered untranslatable, numerous translations from the Arabic have been attempted. Many Muslims’ favorite English translation is by Abdullah Yusuf Ali (Durban, South Africa: Islamic Propagation Center International, 1946). The King Fahd Holy Qur’an Printing Complex in Medina has published a very helpful revision based on Yusuf Ali’s translation, with extensive thematic index. Thomas Ballantine Irving (Al-Hajj Ta’lim’Ali) has prepared “The First American Version” of the Qur’an (translation and commentary, Brattleboro, Vermont: Amana Books, © 1985). Lings, Martin, Muhammad, London: George Allen & Unwin, and Islamic Text Society, 1983. A highly regarded biography of the Prophet. McCloud, Aminah Beverly, African American Islam, New York and London: Routledge, 1995. An accessible inside view of contemporary African–American Muslim communities and issues they face in a contrasting cultural context. Nasr, Seyyed Hossein, Ideals and Realities of Islam, second edition, London: Unwin Hyman Ltd., 1985. Thoughtful presentation of both esoteric and exoteric features of Islam. Nasr, Seyyed Hossein, ed., Islamic Spirituality I: Foundations, New York: Crossroad Publishing Company, 1987 and London: SCM Press, 1989. Excellent chapters on key features of Muslim spirituality, from fasting to angels, with sections on Sunnism, Shi’ism, and Sufism. Nasr, Seyyed Hossein, Traditional Islam in the Modern World, London and New York: Kegan Paul International, 1990. Religiously sensitive discussions of varied topics in attempts to bring forth traditional Muslim values within contemporary social settings. Nasr, Seyyed Hossein, Dabashi, Hamid, and Nasr, Seyyed Vali Reza, Shi’ism: Doctrines, Thought, and Spirituality, Albany, New York: State University of New York Press, 1988. To balance the predominant media attention to Shi’ite politics, a set of thoughtful essays on aspects of Shi’ite spirituality. Paige, Glenn D., Satha-Anand, Chaiwats, and Gilliatt, Sarah, Islam and Nonviolence, Honolulu: University of Hawaii, Center for Global Nonviolence Planning Project, 1993. Strong essays on theories and practice of non-violence stemming from Muslim values. Pinault, David, The Shiites: Ritual and Popular Piety in a Muslim Community, New York: St. Martin’s Press, 1992. Sensitive discussions of Shi’ite interpretations of Muslim history and how these inform communal life and action. Rashid, Ahmed, Taliban: Militant Islam, Oil and Fundamentalism in Central Asia, New Haven: Yale University Press, 2000. A Pakistani journalist chronicles the Taliban’s rise to power, including global politics and economics as well as religion. Schimmel, Annemarie, And Muhammad is His Messenger: The Veneration of the Prophet in Islamic Piety, Chapel Hill, North Carolina: University of North Carolina Press, 1985. Extensive exploration of Muslims’ love for the Prophet. Schimmel, Annemarie, Mystical Dimensions of Islam, Chapel Hill, North Carolina: University of North Carolina Press, 1975. A classic survey of Sufi history, teachings, and saints. Schuon, Frithjof, Understanding Islam, London: George Allen & Unwin, 1963. Profound and lyrical observations about the way of Islam. Stowasser, Barbara Freyer, The Islamic Impulse, Washington, D.C.: Center for Contemporary Arab Studies, Georgetown University, 1987. Sensitive articles exploring the meanings of Islamist movements. Wadud, Amina, Qur’an and Woman, New York/Oxford: Oxford University Press, 1999. Probing hermeneutic analysis of the Qur’an, revealing its principles of social justice, including gender equality. Webb, Gisela, Windows of Faith: Muslim Women Scholar-Activists in North America, Syracuse, New York: Syracuse University Press, 2000. Articles revealing the depth of feminist scholarship within Islam, particularly with reference to the ideal of social justice as seen from the point of view of women of faith.
It is so very predictable. A closely related discussion to this thread topic, "Islam breeds violence", would be "Why do they hate us?" where the general answers fall into two camps: 1) they hate us because of our freedoms, way of life, elections, religion and so forth, and; 2) we're bank rolling Israel and we seem to be perpetually OVER THERE f-ing with them in some onerous manner--our middle east foreign policy.
TRAITORS TO AMERICA AND BRAINWASHED IDIOTS SUPPORT AND DEFEND ISRAEL. TO HELL WITH ZIONISTS AND THIER AMERICAN FRONTS: AIPAC/PNAC/ADL/JPCA/NAACP/CFR/FEDERAL RESERVE/NWO/SPLC/JINSA/ACLU/FPI/CHRISTIAN ZIONISTS/AEI/FEDERAL MEDIA/HOLLYWOOD, et. al.
There's so much beauty in your posts. Have you found the refuting evidence yet or have you already had too much to drink to produce anything more than childish rants?
You just lost. If there are a billion or two Muslims and 10-25% follow a school (Wahabbiism) that advocates violence, then that "insignificant portion" is about the population of the United States. 200 or 300 million to you is "insignificant" and yet you whine about Israel and the Joos all the time who number 1/10 of that, or about 30 million total. You are a complete blithering idiot who lies when he has lost. You lose, buddy. You are so lost.
COMRADE! Why are you not showing your Party affiliation and showing proper respect for Dear Leader? Put your Barackstika armband on RIGHT NOW!
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#477. To: bluegrass (#471)
Those opposed to Empire are unAmerican" is essentially what every hawk and chickenhawk spouts.
#478. To: AGAviator (#474)
You are attempting to conflate the actions and beliefs of an insignificant portion of the total population into some sort of indictment of the system as a whole.
#479. To: mirage, AGAviator, sneaky pete, Liberator (#468)
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You are a moron and an apologist for murder.
#480. To: AGAviator, mirage, all (#474)
You are attempting to conflate the actions and beliefs of an insignificant portion of the total population into some sort of indictment of the system as a whole. Yet you can cite no objective facts or statistics or facts to support your claims in any way, shape, or form.
"The trouble with people is not that they don't know but that they know so much that ain't so." ~ Josh Billings
#481. To: buckeroo (#475)
Conversion to Islam by African–Americans was encouraged early in the twentieth century as a form of separatism from white oppression. The Christianity espoused by the dominant white population was interpreted as part of the pattern of oppression, and awareness grew that many of the slaves who had been brought from West Africa had been of Muslim faith. A number of movements developed to bring the former slaves back to their suppressed ancestral faith.
#482. To: Original_Intent (#467)
This is why the ADL and other Jewish groups are so adamant and insistent about passing "Hate Speech" Laws as they want to make it illegal hate speech to bring up any of this historically accurate and well documented information (as well as preventing mention of the War Crimes ongoing in Israel). This is why the apologists for Israel and Zionism have such explosive reactions to being confronted with this information. For the duped it shakes the stable foundation around which they have oriented their view of the world. Their entire edifice is founded upon and supported by lies and they cannot, and are completely unwilling to examine it as it is too horrble for them to confront. As a former apologist, and a good strong one, for Israel myself I can say point blank that the gut wrenching I went through when I first learned all of this to be true was traumatic. The other reason for the censorship of "hate speech" laws is to prevent exposure of the ongoing ethnic cleansing in Palestine which is nothing more than a slow motion mass murder. Liars and murderers desperately dislike being exposed as liars and murderers. That is also why they seek to distract from the facts through the constant barrage of hate and propaganda leveled at Islam and Muslims. There are other reasons - such as their own irrational ethnic hatreds, but the main reason is to distract from their OWN crimes against humanity. It is a standard m.o. of the criminal to point at the crimes of others or attempt to transfer responsibility for their crimes to someone else. It is a cloud of lies aimed only at preventing a judgment upon the truth.
#483. To: mel_living (#473)
Most of the slaves brought here from Africa were of Muslim faith.
#484. To: mel_living (#481)
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fool a total idiot.
#485. To: mininggold (#483)
#486. To: buckeroo (#484)
The main methods of the slave trade from Africa imported into the western colonies [new world] were by the Portuguese exploiting localized Afican trib
#487. To: buckeroo (#484)
#488. To: scrapper2 (#479)
Btw, extremists are not unique to the Islamic faith/Muslims - every religious faith/ ethnic group has extremists who advocate or commit acts of violence.
#489. To: AGAviator, mel_living (#486)
#490. To: scrapper2 (#479)
However, based on my readings of the last 25-50 posts made by AGAviator, imo, he's only been defending Muslims from broad brush stroke prejudices that other posters like sneaky pete and Liberator have expressed on multiple occasions.
#491. To: mel_living (#481)
It's not my perspective. It's fact - recorded history.
#492. To: buckeroo (#484)
#493. To: mel_living (#487)
Have a good day.
#494. To: buckeroo (#489)
Do you realize what Mel attempted to portray with her god-damned lie? She was saying [in effect] that Muslims practice slavery when in fact it was Christians.
#495. To: mirage (#468)
You are a moron and an apologist for murder.
#496. To: buckeroo (#489)
#497. To: mel_living (#492)
#498. To: Original_Intent, christine, all (#482)
As a former apologist, and a good strong one, for Israel myself I can say point blank that the gut wrenching I went through when I first learned all of this to be true was traumatic.
"The trouble with people is not that they don't know but that they know so much that ain't so." ~ Josh Billings
#499. To: mel_living (#485)
Post 481 is an excerpt of historical facts.
#500. To: mininggold (#491)
Yet where is the evidence that African slaves brought teachings and practices from the Koran to the New World?
A number of movements developed to bring the former slaves back to their suppressed ancestral faith. For instance, in 1913 Noble Drew Ali (1886–1929) began a movement, eventually called the Moorish Science Temple of America, that was designed to begin teaching the elements of the faith to African–Americans and thus give them a strong sense of their own identity. Members were encouraged to adopt Noble Drew Ali’s understanding of Muslim lifestyles, with modest dress, gender separation, traditional family structure, and community solidarity. The Holy Prophet Noble Drew Ali declared that it was his “Divine Mission” to “uplift fallen humanity.”
#501. To: mininggold (#483)
Most of the slaves brought here from Africa were captured by and sold into slavery initially by many of the Muslim faith, placed on board ships many of which were owned and financed by Jews, and sold to plantations and other interested parties most of which were Christians.
#502. To: buckeroo (#497)
#503. To: AGAviator (#494)
Historically, both of them have.
#504. To: mel_living (#502)
You produced foul language.
#505. To: christine (#482)
"The truth is cruel, but it can be loved, and sets free those who have loved it." ~ Albert Camus
#506. To: Original_Intent (#505)
#507. To: wudidiz (#498)
But it's better to know the truth.
Ignorance Ought to be Painful
#508. To: mel_living (#500)
Seiously? lol. They were not allowed to practice their religion. They were forced to practice Christianity. Still, they maintained some pat of their ancestral religion in secret
#509. To: mel_living (#502)
I produced well-researched, scholary documentation of History - You produced foul language.
#510. To: wbales (#506)
#511. To: wbales (#495)
What is your opinion of Israel using white phosphorous bombs on the Gaza populace?
#512. To: mininggold (#499)
#513. To: AGAviator (#490)
But as I've said already the Jews and the WOT supporters cannot discuss the subject at any length without resorting to hyperbole, name calling, and appeals to emotionalism because their position is unsupported by either facts or logic when you look at the big picture.
#514. To: buckeroo (#504)
#515. To: AGAviator (#474)
You are attempting to conflate the actions and beliefs of an insignificant portion of the total population into some sort of indictment of the system as a whole. Yet you can cite no objective facts or statistics or facts to support your claims in any way, shape, or form.
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