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Title: Does Islam Breed Violence? (An Iranian-Born American's View)
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FaithFreedomOrg
URL Source: http://faithfreedom.org/islam/does-islam-breed-violence
Published: Nov 14, 2009
Author: Amil Amani
Post Date: 2009-12-03 22:32:29 by Liberator
Keywords: Islam, Bloody, Muslim, Cult
Views: 59738
Comments: 650
There is a division of the house. On one side are the politically correct in government, the leftist mainstream media, and a raft of Islamist apologists. One and all are tripping over each other in reassuring us that the mass murderers such as Maj. Nidal Malik Hasan and suicide bombers who detonate their explosive vests in crowded marketplaces and even mosques are individual anomalies and Islam is not responsible for what they do. On the other hand are those who have been fed up with the numberless daily horrific acts that are clearly committed under the banner of Islam throughout the world. In all fairness, there needs to be a distinction. Numerous criminal acts are also committed, on a daily basis, by non-Muslims. The critical difference is that non-Muslim criminals do not hoist a religious banner to justify their misdeeds, while the Muslims proudly claim that they commit their heinous acts in obedience to the dictates of their religious faith. Would someone, please, explain what motivated Nidal Hasan who had been, at tax payer’s expense, educated from college all the way through medical school and post medical-school training, to turn his deadly weapons against a nation that gave him everything he had? If Islam had nothing to do with what Maj. Nidal Malik Hasan did, why: * had he repeatedly preached the ascendancy of Islam to the U.S. Constitution? * had he publicly supported Islamic suicide bombing? * had he proclaimed his highest loyalty to Islam? * had he been in contact with violent anti-U.S. Islamists and a virulent Yemeni Imam? * did he distribute copies of the Quran to people the morning of his bloody attack? * did he keep screaming “Allah-o-Akbar” as he heartlessly sprayed over a hundred bullets, killing thirteen and injuring some thirty innocent men and women? Here is the truth, as bitter as it may be. Islam is the culprit. Islam is anything but a religion of peace. Violence is at the very core of Islam. Violence is institutionalized in the Muslim’s holy book, the Quran, in many suras: Qur'an:9:5 "Fight and kill the disbelievers wherever you find them, take them captive, harass them, lie in wait and ambush them using every stratagem of war." Qur'an:9:112 "The Believers fight in Allah's cause; they slay and are slain, kill and are killed." Qur'an:8:39 "So fight them until there is no more Fitnah (disbelief [non-Muslims]) and all submit to the religion of Allah alone (in the whole world)." Qur'an:8:65 "O Prophet, urge the faithful to fight. If there are twenty among you with determination they will vanquish two hundred; if there are a hundred then they will slaughter a thousand unbelievers, for the infidels are a people devoid of understanding." Qur'an:9:38 "Believers, what is the matter with you, that when you are asked to go forth and fight in Allah's Cause you cling to the earth? Do you prefer the life of this world to the Hereafter? Unless you go forth, He will afflict and punish you with a painful doom, and put others in your place." Qur'an:47:4 "When you clash with the unbelieving Infidels in battle (fighting Jihad in Allah's Cause), smite their necks until you overpower them, killing and wounding many of them. At length, when you have thoroughly subdued them, bind them firmly, making (them) captives. Thereafter either generosity or ransom (them based upon what benefits Islam) until the war lays down its burdens. Thus are you commanded by Allah to continue carrying out Jihad against the unbelieving infidels until they submit to Islam." And the Quran is considered by Muslims as the word-for-word literal edicts of the Muslims’ god, Allah. Right from the start, violence served as the engine of Islam under the command and supervision of Muhammad himself. For one, the Prophet’s son-in-law cousin, Ali, was titled the Commander of the Faithful for his unsurpassed feats of butchery. Ali with the assistance of one or two of his thugs, beheaded some seven hundred captives, most of them Jews, in only one day. This man, highly esteemed by the prophet of Allah, had a sword that had its own name—Zolfaghar. Ali’s portrait, holding the menacing sword, adorns the homes and shops throughout Shi’a’-lands. And this man, Ali, is revered by the Shi’a at the same level as Muhammad. On the Sunni side, Muhammad’s co-revered is Umar, another unabashed killer of untold numbers. And of course the choice weapon of these champions of the religion of peace was the sword. And to this day, a sword adorns the flag of the birthplace of the religion of peace, Saudi Arabia. And Islam, by the nature of its very doctrine, appeals to man’s base nature. It promotes intolerance, hatred, discrimination, and much more: Qur'an:61:2 "O Muslims, why say one thing and do another? Grievously odious and hateful is it in the sight of Allah that you say that which you do not. Truly Allah loves those who fight in His Cause in a battle array, as if they were a solid cemented structure." In reality, Islam is like a deadly contagious disease. Once it invades the mind of its victim, this debilitating disease is capable of transforming him to a helpless pawn that has no choice but to execute what he is directed to do. Of the reported 1.3 billion Muslims in the world, millions are already trapped in the terminal stages of this affliction while millions of others are rapidly joining them. The people enslaved with the extreme cases of Islamic mental disease are highly infectious. They actively work to transmit the disease to others, while they themselves engage in horrific acts of mayhem and violence to demonstrate their unconditional obedience to the dictates of the Islamic cult of violence. The savagery and variety of the actions of these Islamic captives are seen daily around the globe. Many of these acts, committed under the banner of Islam, have become so commonplace that the world has come to view them as the normal part and parcel of a troubled humanity. And, from time-to-time, the world is shocked into a passing and momentary realization of the evil deeds these Islamist robots commit and quickly gets over it and does nothing to seriously address this affliction of humanity. The recent dastardly mass murder at Fort Hood, committed by Maj. Nidal Malik Hasan will be forgotten by the public before very long. Life will continue on its deadly course, pushed along in a variety of ways by agents of death, Islamists. Only the families who lost their loved-ones and those who survived the bullets have to live the rest of their lives with incapacitating injuries, in the main, won’t be able to put the episode behind them. The mass murderer Nidal Malik Hasan did not riddle people with bullets under the pressure of momentary insanity. The insanity, ironically, in a man who was trained to help people with sanity was introduced in him from the moment of birth and from the very early years when he prostrated himself five times daily toward Mecca in expression of total submission to the dogma of hate called Islam. Islam is a mental retrovirus that has mutated into numerous varieties and degrees of severity, over the past 1400 years. Everyone born in a Muslim family, as well as those who convert to Islam, contract a particular mutation of the Islamic Virus. As is the case with all retroviruses, the Islamic Virus burrows deeply in the person and erupts, from time-to-time with potentially devastating consequences. The Islamic Virus first divests the person of his most fundamental human attribute. It takes away his right to make decisions himself and absolves him, in return, of any responsibility for his actions rendered in blind obedience to it. A true Muslim does not and cannot believe in freedom of choice. In the religion of Islam—Submission—everything is up to Allah, as clearly and repeatedly stipulated in the Quran .The Raison d'être for the Muslim is to be an unconditional submissive to the will and dictates of Allah. Everything that a “good” Muslim does is contingent upon the will and decree of Allah, he is indoctrinated to believe. Humanity is facing a deeply troubling dilemma. On the one hand is the desire of enlightened people whose aim it is to forge a world of diverse people into one universal society ruled by peace and justice for everyone while, on the other hand, Islamists are hell-bent on imposing their stone-age system on everyone. Tellingly, the Muslims themselves are at one another’s throat regarding which of dozens of Islamic sects’ dogma should rule. For now, Islam is busy with what it did from the time of its birth, fighting the non-Muslims and infighting. Truth be told: Violence is the animating force of Islam. Islam is a religion born through violence, raised by violence, thrives on violence and dies without violence. Author's Bio: Amil Imani is an Iranian-born American citizen and pro-democracy activist residing in the United States of America. Imani is a columnist, literary translator, novelist and an essayist who has been writing and speaking out for the struggling people of his native land, Iran. He and his family escaped Iran after the radical Islamic revolution.
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#596. To: sneakypete (#594)
Fight the good fight, Pete. We need you.
YW
"An education isn't how much you have committed to memory, or even how much you know. It's being able to differentiate between what you know and what you don't. ~ Anatole France
Nonsense. You are not willing for the government to win are you????
Yes they do, but as they find each other so darned predictable they generally prefer to work alone. There is a theory that a high percentage actually will outgrow the problem around the age of forty. Clinton evidently did not luck out.
I thought it interesting that Michael Savage said on one of his programs last week that there is probably not more than 100 Afghans actually fighting against our troops. Does anyone have any info to back this up?
No, there are supposed to be around 100 Al Qaeda, there are many more people called "Taliban." The problem the US has in Afghanistan is it decided to attack Afghan Pushtuns instead of focusing on al Qaeda. The Pushtuns have a centuries old tradition of hospitality which means anyone who comes to them escaping from his enemies should be taken in and protected at all costs. This tradition was at work when they took in Al Qaeda and OBL specifically. This tradition was also at work when a Navy SEAL a few years ago got seriously wounded with Taliban trying to finish him off, when a local took the SEAL into his house and hid him until the Americans were able to rescue him. But by attacking the Pashtuns who had nothing to do with 911 America made millions of new enemies, who are now becoming closer and closer to the Al Qaida worldview. The other huge blunder the US has made is to empower the Tajik minority in Afghanistan and make them the most powerful group in the Afghan Army and the Afghan government. What this means is the tribal adversaries of the Pushtuns now have American backing to go into Pashtun homes, search, harass, and degrade them. The Pashtuns have always kicked the Tajik's butts whenever there has been conflict between the two. Once American protection is neutralized, the next time, and they are heading toward a next time, the outcome will not be any different. But bottom line is there are over 40 million Pushtuns in Afghanistan and Pakistan - they are the largest single tribe in the world - and a substantial number of them hate America's guts after thinking America could do no wrong only 20 short years ago.
"By your sword you shall live, and your brother you shall serve. But when you become restive, you will cast his yoke from off your neck." Genesis 27:40
read that article's paragraph's 6&7. that may answer your question somewhat.
read that article's paragraph's 6&7. that may answer your question somewhat THEY ARE THE WARRIORS AND THEIR SONS WHO ANNIHILATED THE VAST 40TH ARMY OF THE MIGHTY USSR RED ARMY THAT HAD NEVER BEFORE BEEN DEFEATED. THE IDEA THAT A TINY FORCE OF UNIFORMED AND SECRET US GANG BOYS FROM L.A. AND CHICAGO ARE GOING TO DEFEAT A VAST NATION OF WARRIORS SET ON FIRE WITH HOLY WARRIOR ZEAL AGAINST THE INFIDEL INVADERS AND TRAITORS TO ISLAM LIKE BARACK OBAMA, HOLY WARRIORS WHO ARE ALSO FIGHTING FOR THEIR FAMILIES AND HOMES AND ANCIENT HOMELANDS AND SEEKING REVENGE FOR THE US SLAUGHTER OF THEIR FAMILY MEMBERS WITH HELLFIRE MISSILES, IS UTTERLY PREPOSTEROUS. Spot on. "Osama" has become a popular name for male children in that part of the world.
"By your sword you shall live, and your brother you shall serve. But when you become restive, you will cast his yoke from off your neck." Genesis 27:40
I think another point MS wanted to emphasize that it was a small minority that was taking on and inflicting major damage on our troops out of all proportion to their size. He now says he's against the Afghan War because it is just making the defense contractors wealthy. I guess any excuse will do right now. If we model this surge after the Iraqi one where we pay tribal warlords to "keep the peace", how will the Pushtuns react? Won't they will be the tribe on the outs?
Pushtuns live and breathe a code called "Pushtunwali" in which honor is the most important part. The United States has offered $25 million for both OBL and Mullah Omar since 2001, and they are still at large. No bona fide Pushtun will sell somebody out for any amount of money. They can spot the few degenerates who might a mile away, because life is hard there and anybody who can't take the hardships is immediately suspect. If they do take any American money, they will do with it whatever they please, and it is possible if it comes with too many strings attached they may very well tell the USA to eff off. One of the reasons the Pushtuns dislike the Tajiks in Afghanistan is because Ahmad Shah Massoud's Tajiks signed 7 separate truces with the Red Army during the 10 year long Soviet Afghan war, while the Pushtuns never once even considered the idea. So the US is now backing the Tajiks, and making enemies of the Pushtuns. Very bad move.
"By your sword you shall live, and your brother you shall serve. But when you become restive, you will cast his yoke from off your neck." Genesis 27:40
Bump. Thanks for the info. I don't believe that info is widely known...certainy not by our doofus desk jockeys in the Pentagon.
Our President has stated that we are not a Christian nation.
COMRADE! Why are you not showing your Party affiliation and showing proper respect for Dear Leader? Put your Barackstika armband on RIGHT NOW!
Not in the slightest. The blame resides with the responsible parties in Washington DC, not in you. If you do not pay the taxes imposed on you, then you go to prison. It is rational to avoid prison, and you are not an active participant in any carnage, nor are you issuing the orders, nor, I would wager, are you casting a vote for the people who are appropriating your money to fund the carnage. You are an innocent bystander caught in a situation not of your own making and trying to do the best you can.
COMRADE! Why are you not showing your Party affiliation and showing proper respect for Dear Leader? Put your Barackstika armband on RIGHT NOW!
Thanks for the informative posts re: Pashtuns and Tajiks. Sadly, I'm as ignorant as the next American on the matter.
That's it? That's your response? I expected better of you, mirage. It's clear that I made an error in judgement. Good night.
After half a bottle of rum, you're lucky to get something you can read intelligently. In the interim, I leave you with Yet another example of 'misunderstanders' of Islam. Oddly enough, these "misunderstanders" all seem to "misunderstand" Islam the exact same way. It is very strange. Perhaps you can shed some light on this development? Good night.
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There are jokes among Arabs about taking revenge after only 20 years (or 30 or 50 or whatever) where the punchline is always "Why so soon?"
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But not every one of those has an entire school (Wahabbisim) that is funded by the Saudi Government that goes forth and preaches violence. Do some reading on it. You'll be amazed. Just so you know, Wikipedia puts Wahabbisim as a subset of Sunni Islam, which is the majority branch. With Saudi petrodollars and a documented minimum 1500 Wahabbi Mosques they have funded, do the math.
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1) Islam breeds violence--oh, ok-- so invading and butchering two of thier countries is a great idea along the lines of "Hey, y'all, watch me go slap that homicidal maniac in the face." 2) Now they have a real reason to hate US for generations to come--Zionist Islamophobia becomes a self fulfilling prophecy. 3) 10-25% (or whatever that Zionist propaganda number was above) of Muslims are inbred, intractable violent fanatics. WELL WITH THE ABSOLUTE NUMBER OF MUSLIMS IN AMERICA, WHERE HAVE BEEN THE DAILY AND WIDESPRERD VIOLENCE AND ATTACKS that you attach to these people. Hasn't been happening. 4) You clowns actually believe that Iraq, Afghanistan and Muslims are and were a direct and real threat to the United States States of America--abject, laughable bullsh*t. 5) Islam breeds violence--how would you all react to this thread "Judaism breeds greed and corruption" and think about how my tragline is RIGHT NOW bankrupting America and destroying American culture and society while they have you bitching and worrying about Muslims. Oy.
TRAITORS TO AMERICA AND BRAINWASHED IDIOTS SUPPORT AND DEFEND ISRAEL. TO HELL WITH ZIONISTS AND THIER AMERICAN FRONTS: AIPAC/PNAC/ADL/JPCA/NAACP/CFR/FEDERAL RESERVE/NWO/SPLC/JINSA/ACLU/FPI/CHRISTIAN ZIONISTS/AEI/FEDERAL MEDIA/HOLLYWOOD, et. al.
6) No doubt you parrot this line: "We're fighting them there so we don't have to fight them here." Gee, what does that say about the $trillions and $trillion we spend on the CIA, FBI, Army, Navy, Coast Guard, Air Force, ect....what..a monumental waste of money--these trillions and these incompetent and worthless people are INCAPABLE of protecting America. Well, I guess thier job is made more difficult with the Zionist run federal government keeping our borders wide open.
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It's partially my fault. The engineer in me enjoys bringing stress to bear on structures that weren't up to code in the first place and seeing what shears. It's a personal failing, albeit a tremendously amusing one to me. On an unrelated note, Texas stole that game from Nebraska last night. Clot McCoy and Mack Brown should be scratching their defeated asses at home. If at first you don't succeed, if you're Texas, you just add another second to the clock and kick a field goal. ;) Alabama will right that wrong in a month or so, however.
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Do some reading on it. You'll be amazed. I'm not the least ***amazed*** to find out that an objective source about the subject says absolutely nothing about Wahhabism "preaching violence." Yes, Wahabbis have historically been involved in some wars. So has every other religious sect in existence, starting with your joos. However there is nothing in Wahhabi doctrine which says they are obligated to kill anything and everything they have differences with. Your Screamy Heeby analyses of Islam and Muslims count for zilch, because they are used to justify the existence of a parasitic and murderous regime.
After wasting a trillion dollars, some of them are catching on, including McChrystal, so now they want quotas for Pushtuns and kind of an "affirmative action" program for Pushtuns in both the Afghan Army and the government. A very telling picture of how dominant the Tajiks are, is when Afghan Army recruits graduate, they get inducted in front of a giant photo of Ahmad Shah Massoud, who is universally considered a traitor by the Pushtuns because of his 7 truces with the Russians, and his subsequent accepting of planeloads weapons from them when the mujahideen began fighting among themselves once all the communists had been kicked out. No self respecting Pushtun will join an organization which considers a traitor like Massoud one of its heroes. The problem with that is Pushtuns have a very strong sense of honor and with them it's either all or none. They're not going to live under the thumb of another people they can easily kick out of their territories without American meddling, and they're not going to support a government that does not have their interests first. It's quite parallel to the Sunnis and the Shias in Iraq, but at least in Iraq the Shias are larger numerically. So America will need to baby sit both countries into perpetuity to keep the ethnic and tribal factions from going after each other. And there will be a steady attrition of Americans as this happens. So yes, America is in a quagmire.
If you dig into it further you will find that Wahabbiism is a creation of British Intelligence. The Wahabbi school serves the neads of both the West and the Saud fambly (which was put in power by the Brits early in the 20th Century). It preaches loyalty and obedience to the Reigning House AND rejection of "infidels" (thus keeping the competition for resources out). Puritanical schools of all faiths seem to attract certain types of individuals who wish to deprive others, and themselves, from any of the joys of life. They seem to take a perverse pleasure in misery. They generally require strict and austere codes of conduct are very insular. "Either yer' with us or agin' us."
"An education isn't how much you have committed to memory, or even how much you know. It's being able to differentiate between what you know and what you don't. ~ Anatole France
"One million Arabs are not worth a Jewish fingernail," Rabbi Yaacov Perrin
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The process of mass expulsion was made all the more easy with massacres of entire villages, the details of which were then made known to outlying towns resulting in mass panic and subsequent flight. Of the more infamous massacres taking place was the slaughter at Deir Yassin, where Jewish terrorists butchered as many as 250 men, women and children, including–if it can be imagined–pregnant women who had their bellies slashed open with Jewish bayonets and their unborn children ripped out in what was a repeat performance of what the ancient Israelites did to the Tiphsahite women in the Old Testament as recounted in the Book of Kings. Some of the testimonies of those who witnessed and even participated in the slaughter at Deir Yassin have testified that– “We eliminated every Arab that came our way.” –Ben Zion Cohen, an Irgun commander “I saw the horrors that the fighters had created. I saw bodies of women and children, who were murdered in their houses in cold blood by gunfire, with no signs of battle and not as the result of blowing up the houses. I have seen a great deal of war, but I never saw a sight like Deir Yassin.” –Eliahu Arbel, Operations Officer in the Jewish Haganah “The attackers chose to kill anybody they found alive as though every living thing in the village was the enemy and they could only think ‘kill them all.’… It was a lovely spring day, the almond trees were in bloom, the flowers were out and everywhere there was the stench of the dead, the thick smell of blood, and the terrible odor of the corpses burning in the quarry.” –Yeshurun Shiff, assistant to David Shaltiel, commander of Jewish Haganah forces in Jerusalem “… A total of more than 200 dead, men, women, and children…One was a woman who must have been eight months pregnant, hit in the stomach, with powder burns on her dress indicating she’d been shot point-blank.” –Jacques de Reynier, Representative of the International Red Cross “In the houses there were dead, in all about a hundred men, women and children. It was terrible. It was clear that the attackers had gone from house to house and shot the people at close range. I was a doctor in the German army for 5 years in World War I but I had not seen such a horrifying spectacle.” –Dr. Alfred Engel, Red Cross worker “What we saw were women, young children, and old men. What shocked us was at least two or three cases of old men dressed in women’s clothes. My conclusion was that what happened in the village so terrorized these old men that they knew being old men would not save them. They hoped that if they were seen as old women that would save them.” –Yair Tsaban, was one of several youths tasked with burying the dead at Deir Yessin Menachem Begin, one of the commanders overseeing the slaughter and who would one day become one of Israel’s Prime Ministers later remarked gloatingly that– “The Arabs throughout the country were seized with limitless panic and started to flee for their lives and this mass flight soon developed into a maddened, uncontrollable stampede. The political and economic significance of this development can hardly be overestimated.” The slaughter in villages such as took place at Deir Yassin were done to affect the circumstances as they exist today–to rid Palestine of Gentiles so that Israel could be a “Jews only“ state in the exact fashion as described in the same Old Testament acting as a road map for all obnoxious, violent, narcissistic Jewish behavior seen not only today but throughout history. Despite the mountains of evidence in the form of photos and testimony, nevertheless in typical lying, obfuscating fashion Israel and her supporters continue to maintain as they have for the last 60 years that no massacres took place, that there was no Jewish plan to force the Arabs to leave and that the Palestinians fled because various Arab governments told them to leave. Out of the horse’s mouth though the lies are laid bare. David Ben Gurion, Israel’s 1st Prime Minister who personally oversaw the ethnic cleansing of the Palestinians in 1948 spoke of what was to come decades before the Nakbah took place– “In many parts of the country new settlement will not be possible without transferring the Palestinian Arabs… Jewish power, which grows steadily, will also increase our possibilities to carry out the transfer on a large scale…With compulsory transfer we would have a vast area for settlement…I support compulsory transfer. I don’t see anything immoral in it…There are two issues here–1) sovereignty and 2) the removal of a certain number of Arabs, and we must insist on both of them.” And indicating that violence was the only way to achieve this, Ben Gurion wrote years earlier that– “It is impossible to imagine general evacuation without brutal compulsion. It would be very difficult to bring about resettlement of other Arab populations by transferring them voluntarily, whatever economic inducements are offered to them.”
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Good research.
The BBC documentary "The Power of Nightmares" explains how the branding of Islam, or any other enemy of empire for that matter, came about. It's a fascinating documentary, almost as good as "Century of Self." : ) It's rich in history, talks about the use of relion, stopping the peace process, corruption of ME leaders by the West, useful puppets, keeping the American sheeple pacified by manipulating the good vs. evil roots.
The numbers are similar for the intifada - where "bloodthirsty" "muslimaniacs" wantonly attacked with stones and chants the "pooooooooor little, armed to the teeth with modern weaponry, Israel®" for their simple heartfelt desire to steal the Palestinians water, land, and lives. From If Americans Knew: 124 Israeli Children have been killed by Palestinians and 1,441 Palestinian Children have been killed by Israeli's since Sept. 29 2,000. 1,072 Israelis have been killed by Palestinians and at least 6,348 Palestinians have been killed by Israeli's since Sept. 29 2,000. During Fiscal Year 2009 the United States is providing at least 7 million dollars per day in military aid to Israel and 0 dollars to Palestinians. There is currently 1 Political Prisoner held by the Palestinians and minimally 7,383 held by the Israelis. O Israeli homes have been destroyed by Palestinians and 24,145 Palestinian homes by the Israelis since 1967. Israel currently has 223 Illegal Settlements on confiscated Palestinian Land and the Palestinians have 0 on "Israeli Land". Uncounted here, overwhelmingly in Israel's favor, are the numbers of unprovoked massacres to drive inhabitants off of their own land e.g., Deir Yassim.
"An education isn't how much you have committed to memory, or even how much you know. It's being able to differentiate between what you know and what you don't. ~ Anatole France
It's rich in history, talks about the use of relion, stopping the peace process, corruption of ME leaders by the West, useful puppets, keeping the American sheeple pacified by manipulating the good vs. evil roots. Every time that there is a threat of a reasonable settlement and actual peace the Israelis will provoke the Palestinians into a violent response or engage in a False Flag event to derail it. The Israelis have become quite expert at this. The thing people need to get is that THE ISRAELIS DO NOT WANT PEACE. At least not the upper tiers of Zionist society. With peace comes fixed borders and an end to Eretz Y'srael (Greater Israel as proposed by Theodore Herzl). The only peace the Israelis desire is total conquest to the Egyptian Border and complete subjugation (followed by more ethnic cleansing to rid the land of all those awkward native inhabitants). I truly do wish I could say it was otherwise but it is not. The reality is that Zionism is an expansionist Political Philosophy which uses religion as a cover for its political objectives. The Israelis have one of the most sophisticated and effective propaganda machines on the planet. They have been able, for over 50 years, categorize Palestinian responses to Israeli aggression as Palestinian Aggression. Along with the use of the Holoco$t card to justify their actions the Israelis have literally gotten away with murder, and murder most foul. "An education isn't how much you have committed to memory, or even how much you know. It's being able to differentiate between what you know and what you don't. ~ Anatole France
It's clear what their intention is.
For some--the inconvenient truth.
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And if we were talking about the hijackers, you'd have contributed to the conversation I was having. I suspect that the hijackers were not the only knuckleheads to engage in violence for Islam. Please try to stay on topic.
MapQuest really needs to start their directions on #5. Pretty sure I know how to get out of my neighborhood.
I suspect however that any large group of unemployed young men sitting idle in the desert most of their lives, under the reign of despots and tyrants, who cannot find a good purpose in life due to denied opportunity, will turn to the best port in the storm so to speak. In this case, it's Islam. Actually the most notorious jihadists, including the key leaders of the 911 hijackings, were upper middle class and well-educated And if we were talking about the hijackers, you'd have contributed to the conversation I was having. I suspect that the hijackers were not the only knuckleheads to engage in violence for Islam What you "suspect" is not borne out by statements of people who actually have knowledge of the situation. Anybody from Saudi Arabia ("the desert") who wants to participate in jihad must travel hundreds of miles to another country, and someone needs to pay these expenses. Furthermore Saudi Arabia imports workers like Filipinos and Shi'ites to do the more menial work because the Saudis think it's beneath them. If Saudis are unemployed it's by choice, and even those are from families who are not impoverished.
You're creating an argument out of thin air in order to argue (we used to call that creating a straw man). The question was about Islam. I answered fairly and it reflects the situation for the average, in my estimation. You're trying to drum up a straw man about hijackers. I'm talking about the average guy sitting on the dust road in the desert. Two different scenarios. Of course religious fundamentalism can occur at any social strata, which was never in question. Or is criticism of anything Islam forbidden now? Not that I offered much criticism of it, more rather, of the situation of a lot of guys sitting in the middle east. If you want to make the case that Islam is inherently violent and evil, that's your issue, not mine.
MapQuest really needs to start their directions on #5. Pretty sure I know how to get out of my neighborhood.
To be fair, and don't take this wrong as I do NOT support Obama, had he said we are a Christian Nation, it would be construed as a violation of the US Constitution. Considering the fact that we have Freedom of Religion here, to say we are a Christian Nation would be like declaring Christianity the official Religion of the USA. Some countries have official religions. In some of those countries, certain religions are against the law. China declared Atheism as it's official "religion" and forbade it's people from openly practicing any religion for a while. Things have changed a bit recently and they're not as strict with the anti-religion stuff as they used to be. Even though the majority of Americans are Christian, there are many other religions here as well, so we are more of a multi-religous nation than simply a Christian Nation. JMHO
Islam and it's adherents are totally incompatible with Western Civilization because Islam has never modernized: “How dreadful are the curses which Mohammedanism lays on its votaries! Besides the fanatical frenzy, which is as dangerous in a man as hydrophobia in a dog, there is this fearful fatalistic apathy. The effects are apparent in many countries. Improvident habits, slovenly systems of agriculture, sluggish methods of commerce, and insecurity of property exist wherever the followers of the Prophet (Mohammed) rule or live." - Sir Winston Churchill “I studied the Kuran a great deal … I came away from that study with the conviction that by and large there have been few religions in the world as deadly to men as that of Muhammed.” - ALEXIS DE TOCQVILLE
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"The trouble with people is not that they don't know but that they know so much that ain't so." ~ Josh Billings
#597. To: wudidiz (#595)
#598. To: sneakypete (#594)
I just don't have the time or patience for this nonsense.
#599. To: bluegrass (#568)
If roughly one percent of the population are psychopathic, that means that there about sixty million+ psychopaths roaming around. I wonder if they recognize each other.
#600. To: AGAviator, all (#589)
Between 1979 and 1989, against almost impossible odds, the Afghan mujahideen, with a little logistical help from the US, accomplished what you chest-thumping blowhards were never able to do during the 45-year entire Cold War period.
#601. To: mininggold (#600)
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I thought it interesting that Michael Savage said on one of his programs last week that there is probably not more than 100 Afghans actually fighting against our troops. Does anyone have any info to back this up?
#602. To: mininggold (#600)
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#603. To: christine (#602)
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THE US IS ACTUALLY FIGHTING A VAST, ANCIENT WARRIOR NATION IN AFPAK THAT IS TEN TIMES THE SIZE OF THE SUNNI NATION IN IRAQ AND MANY LESSER NATIONS AND GROUPS WHICH ARE ALSO FIERCE WARRIORS.
#604. To: AGAviator (#601)
#605. To: mininggold (#604)
If we model this surge after the Iraqi one where we pay tribal warlords to "keep the peace", how will the Pushtuns react? Won't they will be the tribe on the outs?
#606. To: AGAviator, All (#605)
#607. To: scrapper2 (#550)
majority Christian nation
#608. To: wbales (#533)
And using my tax money to fund the disproportionate carnage for one side implicates, most unfortunately, me.
#609. To: AGAviator (#605)
#610. To: mirage (#607)
#611. To: scrapper2 (#610)
That's it? That's your response?
#612. To: wbales (#529)
I bet they have long memories, as well.
#613. To: scrapper2 (#479)
Btw, extremists are not unique to the Islamic faith/Muslims - every religious faith/ ethnic group has extremists who advocate or commit acts of violence.
#614. To: mirage, Liberator, sneakypete, any Zionist brainwashed Islamophobes (#612)
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There are jokes among Arabs about taking revenge after only 20 years (or 30 or 50 or whatever) where the punchline is always "Why so soon?"
#615. To: All (#614)
#616. To: christine (#574)
#617. To: Original_Intent (#614)
#618. To: mirage, scrapper2 (#613)
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But not every one of those has an entire school (Wahabbisim) that is funded by the Saudi Government that goes forth and preaches violence.
#619. To: scrapper2, bluegrass (#606)
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Bump. Thanks for the info. I don't believe that info is widely known...certainy not by our doofus desk jockeys in the Pentagon
#620. To: wbales, Original_Intent, wudidiz (#614)
Islam breeds violence
#621. To: mirage, Scrapper2 (#613)
But not every one of those has an entire school (Wahabbisim) that is funded by the Saudi Government that goes forth and preaches violence.
#622. To: AGAviator, Original_Intent, wudidiz (#620)
Islam breeds violence
#623. To: AGAviator, Original_Intent, wudidiz (#622)
Islam breeds violence
#624. To: wbales (#623)
#625. To: wbales, AGAviator, Original_Intent, wudidiz (#623)
#626. To: AGAviator, Liberator, mirage, ratcat, bluegrass, wudidiz, christine, TwentyTwelve, Rotara, all (#620)
#627. To: abraxas, wbales, AGAviator, Original_Intent, wudidiz, ratcat, Liberator, mirage, christine, all (#625)
The BBC documentary "The Power of Nightmares" explains how the branding of Islam, or any other enemy of empire for that matter, came about. It's a fascinating documentary, almost as good as "Century of Self." : )
"When we have settled the land, all the Arabs will be able to do about it will be to scurry around like drugged cockroaches in a bottle." Raphael Eitan, Chief of Staff of the Israeli Defense Forces, New York Times, 14 April 1983.
"The thesis that the danger of genocide was hanging over us in June 1967 and that Israel was fighting for its physical existence is only bluff, which was born and developed after the war." Israeli General Matityahu Peled, Ha'aretz, 19 March 1972.
David Ben Gurion (the first Israeli Prime Minister): "If I were an Arab leader, I would never sign an agreement with Israel. It is normal; we have taken their country. It is true God promised it to us, but how could that interest them? Our God is not theirs. There has been Anti - Semitism, the Nazis, Hitler, Auschwitz, but was that their fault ? They see but one thing: we have come and we have stolen their country. Why would they accept that?" Quoted by Nahum Goldmann in Le Paraddoxe Juif (The Jewish Paradox), pp121.
"We have to kill all the Palestinians unless they are resigned to live here as slaves." Chairman Heilbrun of the Committee for the Re-election of General Shlomo Lahat, the mayor of Tel Aviv, October 1983.
"Jewish villages were built in the place of Arab villages. You do not even know the names of these Arab villages, and I do not blame you because geography books no longer exist. Not only do the books not exist, the Arab villages are not there either. Nahlal arose in the place of Mahlul; Kibbutz Gvat in the place of Jibta; Kibbutz Sarid in the place of Huneifis; and Kefar Yehushua in the place of Tal al-Shuman. There is not a single place built in this country that did not have a former Arab population." Moshe Dayan, address to the Technion, Haifa, reported in Haaretz, April 4, 1969.
"We walked outside, Ben-Gurion accompanying us. Allon repeated his question, What is to be done with the Palestinian population?' Ben-Gurion waved his hand in a gesture which said 'Drive them out!'" Yitzhak Rabin, leaked censored version of Rabin memoirs, published in the New York Times, 23 October 1979.
#628. To: Original_Intent (#627)
"The trouble with people is not that they don't know but that they know so much that ain't so." ~ Josh Billings
#629. To: Original_Intent, *Israeli Espionage* (#626)
#630. To: AGAviator (#315)
#631. To: SonOfLiberty (#630)
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...it would be wise to hold off on enshrining as common wisdom the belief that madrassas are the main producers of nascent mujahideen. The first lies in some recent academic work. Marc Sageman, in his excellent book Understanding Terrorist Networks (Philadelphia, 2004), and Robert Pape, in his equally outstanding study Dying to Win (New York, 2005), demonstrate that few of the non-indigenous Islamist fighters the West is encountering in the Iraq and Afghan insurgencies are the products of madrassas. Both Sageman and Pape show that these fighters are, more often than not, young men educated in areas beyond the strictly religious studies that dominate the madrassas' curriculum. Many have studied sciences and engineering and hail from stable, middle-class families. In short, Sageman, Pape and a few other analysts have concluded after extensive research and statistical study that the largest number of foreign fighters who travel to participate in the insurgencies in Iraq and Afghanistan are not madrassa graduates. (NB: The exception to this conclusion is Pakistan, where it seems likely that madrassas produce the majority of Pakistanis who join the Afghan insurgency.)
#632. To: AGAviator (#631)
#633. To: mirage (#607)
Our President has stated that we are not a Christian nation.
#634. To: Liberator (#0)
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"This man is Jesus,” shouted one man, spilling his Guinness as Barack Obama began his inaugural address. “When will he come to Kenya to save us?”
-Schweizerische Schuetzenzeitung (Swiss Shooting Federation) April, 1941
#635. To: X-15, All, yes you (#634)
“I studied the Kuran a great deal … I came away from that study with the conviction that by and large there have been few religions in the world as deadly to men as that of Muhammed.” - ALEXIS DE TOCQVILLE
"If you love wealth more than liberty, the tranquility of servitude better than the animating contest of freedom, depart from us in peace. We ask not your counsel nor your arms. Crouch down and lick the hand that feeds you. May your chains rest lightly upon you and may posterity forget that you were our countrymen.”—Samuel Adams 
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