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Title: MSG Causes Obesity, Hides
Source: [None]
URL Source: http://www.rense.com/general88/msg.htm
Published: Dec 4, 2009
Author: Staff
Post Date: 2009-12-04 11:43:41 by Horse
Keywords: None
Views: 2218
Comments: 88

MSG hides behind 25 or more names, such as "Natural Flavoring". MSG is even in your favourite coffee from Tim Horton's and Starbucks coffee shops.

I wondered if there could be an actual chemical causing the massive obesity epidemic, and so did a friend of mine, John Erb. He was a research assistant at the University of Waterloo in Ontario, Canada, and spent years working for the government. He made an amazing discovery while going through scientific journals for a book he was writing called "The Slow Poisoning of America".

In hundreds of studies around the world, scientists were creating obese mice and rats to use in diet or diabetes test studies. No strain of rat or mice is naturally obese, so scientists have to create them. They make these creatures morbidly obese by injecting them with MSG when they are first born.

The MSG triples the amount of insulin the pancreas creates, causing rats (and perhaps humans) to become obese. They even have a name for the fat rodents they create: 'MSG-Treated Rats.'

When I heard this, I was shocked. I went into my kitchen and checked the cupboards and the refrigerator. MSG was in everything -- the Campbell's soups, the Hostess Doritos, the Lays flavoured potato chips, Top Ramen, Betty Crocker Hamburger Helper, Heinz canned gravy, Swanson frozen prepared meals, and Kraft salad dressings, especially the 'healthy low-fat' ones. The items that didn't have MSG marked on the product label had something called 'Hydrolysed Vegetable Protein,' which is just another name for Monosodium Glutamate. It was shocking to see just how many of the foods we feed our children everyday are filled with this stuff. MSG is hidden under many different names in order to fool those who read the ingredient list, so that they don't catch on. (Other names for MSG are 'Accent, 'Aginomoto, 'Natural Meat Tenderiser,' etc.) But it didn't stop there.

When our family went out to eat, we started asking at the restaurants what menu items contained MSG. Many employees, even the managers, swore they didn't use MSG. But when we ask for the ingredient list, which they grudgingly provided, sure enough, MSG and Hydrolysed Vegetable Protein were everywhere.

Burger King, McDonald's, Wendy's, Taco Bell, every restaurant -- even the sit-down eateries like TGIF, Chili's, Applebee's, and Denny's -- use MSG in abundance. Kentucky Fried Chicken seemed to be the WORST offender: MSG was in every chicken dish, salad dressing and gravy. No wonder I loved to eat that coating on the skin -- their secret spice was MSG!

So why is MSG in so many of the foods we eat? Is it a preservative, or a vitamin?

Not according to my friend John Erb. In his book "The Slow Poisoning of America", he said that MSG is added to food for the addictive effect it has on the human body.

Even the propaganda website sponsored by the food manufacturers lobby group supporting MSG explains that the reason they add it to food is to make people eat more.

A study of the elderly showed that older people eat more of the foods that it is added to. The Glutamate Association lobbying group says eating more is a benefit to the elderly, but what does it do to the rest of us?

'Betcha can't eat [just] one,' takes on a whole new meaning where MSG is concerned! And we wonder why the nation is overweight!

MSG manufacturers themselves admit that it addicts people to their products. It makes people choose their product over others, and makes people eat more of it than they would if MSG wasn't added. Not only is MSG scientifically proven to cause obesity, it is an addictive substance.

Since its introduction into the American food supply fifty years ago, MSG has been added in larger and larger doses to the pre-packaged meals, soups, snacks, and fast foods we are tempted to eat everyday.

The FDA has set no limits on how much of it can be added to food. They claim it's safe to eat in any amount. But how can they claim it's safe when there are hundreds of scientific studies with titles like these: ''The monosodium glutamate (MSG) obese rat as a model for the study of exercise in obesity.'' Gobatto CA, Mello MA, Souza CT, Ribeiro IA. Res Commun Mol Pathol Pharmacol. 2002.

''Adrenalectomy abolishes the food-induced hypothalamic serotonin release in both normal and monosodium glutamate-obese rats.'' Guimaraes RB, Telles MM, Coelho VB, Mori C, Nascimento CM, Ribeiro. Brain Res Bull. 2002 Aug.

''Obesity induced by neonatal monosodium glutamate treatment in spontaneously hypertensive rats: An animal model of multiple risk factors." Iwase M, Yamamoto M, Iino K, Apparatchik K, Maraschinos N, Seminarians Fujishima Hyper tens Res. 1998 Mar.

''Hypothalamic lesion induced by injection of monosodium glutamate in suckling period and subsequent development of obesity.'' Tanaka K, Chimaera M, Nakamura K Kusunoki. Exp Neural. 1978 Oct.

(Hypothalamic dysfunction is a problem with the region of the brain called the hypothalamus, which helps control the pituitary gland and regulate many body functions, particularly in response to stress. The pituitary, in turn, controls the:

*Adrenal glands,

*Ovaries

*Testes

*Thyroid gland

No, the date of that last study was not a typo; it was published in 1978. Both the ''medical research community'' and ''food manufacturers'' have known about the side effects of MSG for decades.

Many more of the studies mentioned in John Erb's book link MSG to diabetes, migraines and headaches, autism, ADHD, and even Alzheimer's. So what can we do to stop the food manufactures from dumping this fattening and addictive MSG into our food supply and causing the obesity epidemic we now see?

Several months ago, John Erb took his book and his concerns to one of the highest government health officials in Canada. While he was sitting in the government office, the official told him, 'Sure, I know how bad MSG is. I wouldn't touch the stuff.' But this top-level government official refuses to tell the public what he knows.

The big media doesn't want to tell the public either, fearing issues with their advertisers. It seems that the fallout on the fast food industry may hurt their profit margin. The food producers and restaurants have been addicting us to their products for years, and now we are paying the price for it. Our children should not be cursed with obesity caused by an addictive food additive.

But what can I do about it? I'm just one voice! What can I do to stop the poisoning of our children, while our governments are insuring financial protection for the industry that is poisoning us?

This message is going out to everyone I know in an attempt to tell you the truth that the corporate-owned politicians and media won't tell you.

The best way you can help to save yourself and your children from this drug-induced epidemic is to forward this article to everyone. With any luck, it will circle the globe before politicians can pass the legislation protecting those who are poisoning us.

The food industry learned a lot from the tobacco industry. Imagine if big tobacco had a bill like this in place before someone blew the whistle on nicotine?

If you are one of the few who can still believe that MSG is good for us and you don't believe what John Erb has to say, see for yourself. Go to the National Library of Medicine at www.pubmed.com. Type in the words 'MSG Obese' and read a few of the 115 medical studies that appear.

We the public do not want to be rats in one giant experiment, and we do not approve of food that makes us into a nation of obese, lethargic, addicted sheep, feeding the food industry's bottom line while waiting for the heart transplant, the diabetic induced amputation, blindness, or other obesity-induced, life-threatening disorders.

With your help we can put an end to this poison. Do your part in sending this message out by word of mouth, e-mail, or by distribution of this printout to your friends all over the world and stop this 'Slow Poisoning of Mankind' by the packaged food industry.

Blowing the whistle on MSG is our responsibility, so get the word out.

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#1. To: horse (#0)

MSG Causes Obesity, Hides Behind Many Fake Names

Corrected Full Title.

The Truth of 911 Shall Set You Free From The Lie

Horse  posted on  2009-12-04   11:46:56 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#2. To: Horse (#0)

A study of the elderly showed that older people eat more of the foods that it is added to. The Glutamate Association lobbying group says eating more is a benefit to the elderly, but what does it do to the rest of us?

If this is as detailed as the "so called study got", then it is criminal junk-science. There is no mention of the subject's real ages. Also, weight gain and weight loss can radically shift either way for a number of reasons, such as illness and medicine.

Also, the other study mentioned, the one taken in 1978, is over three decades out of date.

Monosodium glutamate (MSG) back then was made from "wheat gluten", now MSG is made from bacterial fermentation. So the 1978 study is invalidated as well.

The people pushing these studies are just like the people pushing the fake global warning studies.

PaulCJ  posted on  2009-12-04   12:02:01 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#3. To: PaulCJ (#2) (Edited)

Monosodium glutamate (MSG) back then was made from "wheat gluten", now MSG is made from bacterial fermentation. So the 1978 study is invalidated as well.

That's BS. Wheat gluten is the dregs left after beer creation, which goes through a bacterial fermentation process also. The gluten is often further ammoniated inorder to bring up the protein content for various uses, the primary which was as a fattening agent for livestock,.... now it's for people too. Eat up!!!

Also why is MSG also sold under the name of yeast extract?

mininggold  posted on  2009-12-04   12:07:01 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#4. To: Horse (#1)

I was wondering how MSG's caused hides. Seemed to me that I only get hides from the animals I skin, and thought that if a new way had been found that I'd give it a shot.

MapQuest really needs to start their directions on #5. Pretty sure I know how to get out of my neighborhood.

SonOfLiberty  posted on  2009-12-04   12:20:13 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#5. To: mininggold (#3)

1. That's BS. Wheat gluten is the dregs left after beer creation which is a bacterial fermentation process also.

2. Also why is MSG also sold under the name of yeast extract too?

1. My sources are: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Monosodium_glutamate (top paragraph)

www.celiac.ca/Articles/Fall1990-1.html

2. I don't know.

PaulCJ  posted on  2009-12-04   12:25:09 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#6. To: PaulCJ (#5)

. I don't know.

See my edited post.

mininggold  posted on  2009-12-04   12:27:25 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#7. To: mininggold (#6)

I posted my sources. Post yours.

PaulCJ  posted on  2009-12-04   12:35:24 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#8. To: PaulCJ (#7)

I posted my sources. Post yours.

Feed stores and mills all over the country (I use Hunt and Behrens), Cargill Feeds, Archer Daniels Midland, Cattletoday.com, Beef magazine and any dairy farm in the US. Just for starters.

mininggold  posted on  2009-12-04   12:41:51 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#9. To: mininggold, PaulCJ (#6)

I won't pretend that I know the truth about MSG. Some studies say one thing, some another. I know I eat the hell out of Shin Ramen and Chapagetti as well as other foods with MSG in it. I don't worry about it. However, I believe that arguing about whether studies are valid or not misses the point of the article. Customers should be able to make the decision whether or not they want to eat a product with MSG, or salt or peanuts, etc., etc. in it. Doing a Google search I found that some companies mislead customers about whether or not their products have MSG in them. They do this by having many different names for MSG and new ones are being thought of all the time. To me this is outright fraud and those companies doing this should be exposed and their dishonesty noted so that once again, the customer can make a decision to whether or not they want to do business with a company that lies to them.

Notice I do not call for the government to get involved. I believe the market can take care of itself without government involvement.

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F.A. Hayek Fan  posted on  2009-12-04   12:44:59 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#10. To: F.A. Hayek Fan (#9)

Notice I do not call for the government to get involved. I believe the market can take care of itself without government involvement.

I've always been real sensitive to it. If I get a headache right after eating I can bet it's due to hidden MSG. So I've just learned to take basic unadulterated ingredients and cook them! No prepackaged or pre-prepared stuff except on a very limited basis. And I rarely dine out anymore.

I do know that the stuff MSG is extracted from is meant to fatten whatever eats it.

mininggold  posted on  2009-12-04   12:52:29 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#11. To: Horse (#0)

Thanks for this, Horse. I sent it to someone who will benefit from the information. I thought MSG was limited to Chinese food - so much for me. I don't eat most of what is on that list but I bet 90% of Americans do.

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Jethro Tull  posted on  2009-12-04   13:31:14 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#12. To: F.A. Hayek Fan (#9)

Notice I do not call for the government to get involved. I believe the market can take care of itself without government involvement.

Amen to that.

Though, studies should be questioned, because studies are used as justification for tyranny.

PaulCJ  posted on  2009-12-04   14:32:39 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#13. To: PaulCJ (#2)

Ever consider the fact that if it were good for you, companies wouldn't bother trying to hide the fact they put it in their product?

It IS a toxic substance, causes serotonin imbalances (gee, I wonder why there are so many people who need anti-depressants today), and adrenal gland disorders, besides making you eat like a pig.

Yeah, great stuff. Go chow down at KFC dude, just go buy some private health insurance so that the rest of us won't need to pay your doctor and hospital bills when the inevitable happens.


"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen

FormerLurker  posted on  2009-12-04   14:51:32 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#14. To: F.A. Hayek Fan (#9)

Notice I do not call for the government to get involved. I believe the market can take care of itself without government involvement.

They already ARE involved by shielding the corporations from scutiny, and trying to pass off MSG as if it were as safe as pure unadulterated cow's milk.


"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen

FormerLurker  posted on  2009-12-04   14:53:14 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#15. To: Horse (#0)

I bet it is not Kosher either.

God is always good!

RickyJ  posted on  2009-12-04   17:20:38 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#16. To: FormerLurker (#13)

1. Ever consider the fact that if it were good for you, companies wouldn't bother trying to hide the fact they put it in their product?

2. It IS a toxic substance, causes serotonin imbalances

1. I view it as negligence on their part. I am more concerned with the agendas of those who fund and do these studies.

2. At what amount per day?

PaulCJ  posted on  2009-12-04   20:43:57 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#17. To: PaulCJ (#16)

1. I view it as negligence on their part. I am more concerned with the agendas of those who fund and do these studies.

Willfully renaming an "ingredient" in order to trick people into thinking that ingredient is not in the product is not negligence, it's willful deceipt.

And why are you so worried that there are legitimate researchers out there who are trying to alert the public to dangers in our food supply? Why aren't you worried about the fact there are unscrupulous people out there who don't give a rat's ass about your health, where their only concern is their profit margin?

2. At what amount per day?

Who knows, but since it's in practically everything most people eat, I'm sure the threshold for harm is reached by many on a daily basis.


"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen

FormerLurker  posted on  2009-12-05   21:37:00 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#18. To: FormerLurker (#17)

And why are you so worried that there are legitimate researchers out there who are trying to alert the public to dangers in our food supply?

Because "studies" are the foundation for tyranny caused by government. Most of the government regulations that deny us are freedoms were started by creating "studies" to justify such tyranny.

PaulCJ  posted on  2009-12-05   21:43:50 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#19. To: PaulCJ (#18)

Because "studies" are the foundation for tyranny caused by government. Most of the government regulations that deny us are freedoms were started by creating "studies" to justify such tyranny.

The only studies you appear to have problems with are those which refute corporate lies and attempt to warn people of danger.

If regulations were applied as intended, we wouldn't have so many sick and screwed up people in this land of ours. No, only when it's profitable for those pulling the strings do regulations apply.


"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen

FormerLurker  posted on  2009-12-06   12:34:15 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#20. To: PaulCJ (#18)

Tell me, what benefit for the consumer is there by companies spiking their food with MSG? It's not a nutrient, nor is it necessary. So then, why do you vehemiently defend the practice of putting it in foods, where consumers are largely unaware it's even there?


"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen

FormerLurker  posted on  2009-12-06   12:36:28 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#21. To: FormerLurker (#20)

"Silent Spring", the lie that has murdered millions of people.

Studies are used as justification for tyranny.

PaulCJ  posted on  2009-12-06   12:49:19 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#22. To: FormerLurker (#20)

Tell me, why do you support studies created by those who support tyranny?

PaulCJ  posted on  2009-12-06   12:50:36 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#23. To: FormerLurker, PaulCJ (#22)

".....why do you support studies created by those who support tyranny?"

That reminds me of the time he called me a "bootlicker of tyranny" because I supported the move in California from 6 gallon to 1.5 gallon toilets.

Big Meanie  posted on  2009-12-06   13:29:49 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#24. To: F.A. Hayek Fan (#9)

"...I eat the hell out of Shin Ramen...."

I used to like those too until I checked the label. One package contains 480 calories and 2100 mg sodium.

Link

Big Meanie  posted on  2009-12-06   13:49:35 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#25. To: Horse, christine (#1)

MSG Causes Obesity, Hides Behind Many Fake Names

Corrected Full Title.

You need to tell christine. This is very interesting. All this concern over fat yet this is never addressed.


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farmfriend  posted on  2009-12-06   13:51:43 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#26. To: Big Meanie (#23)

That reminds me of the time he called me a "bootlicker of tyranny" because I supported the move in California from 6 gallon to 1.5 gallon toilets.

That is 3 gallon toilets. You cannot be honest even with one sentence.

PaulCJ  posted on  2009-12-06   14:16:19 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#27. To: Big Meanie. all who flush (#23)

That reminds me of the time he called me a "bootlicker of tyranny" because I supported the move in California from 6 gallon to 1.5 gallon toilets.

Changing out our forty year-old toilets to the 1.28 gallon/flush has helped reduce our monthly water bill to $25 and change. And the ciy's $200/toilet rebate was icing on the cake.

Lod  posted on  2009-12-06   14:30:51 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#28. To: PaulCJ (#26)

"That is 3 gallon toilets. You cannot be honest even with one sentence."

What is it that you think I'm being dishonest about?

"An ultra-low flow (ULF) toilet uses only 1.6 gallons per flush (gpf). A toilet uses between 5 and 7.5 gpf if it was manufactured before 1980. The older your toilet, the more water it uses. If your toilet was manufactured after 1980, it uses 3.5 gpf. The newest toilets use only 1.4-1.6 gpf"......Link

Big Meanie  posted on  2009-12-06   15:42:20 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#29. To: PaulCJ (#21)

Studies are used as justification for tyranny.

Do you support vaccines and fluoridation of water supplies? They are supported by GOVERNMENT and INDUSTRY studies.

So c'mon Paul, tell me your thoughts on that.


"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen

FormerLurker  posted on  2009-12-06   16:26:02 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#30. To: PaulCJ (#22)

Tell me, why do you support studies created by those who support tyranny?

So you're trying to say those who oppose corrupt industry practices and perform scientific analysis proving that a substance is harmful (a substance which is NOT even supposed to be in food in the first place), that they somehow support tyranny?

I guess perhaps you have a different notion of what tyranny is, sort of an Orwellian perspective. Corrupt corporate entities poisoning us is freedom, informing the public of the fact it is happening equates to tyranny, according to you.


"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen

FormerLurker  posted on  2009-12-06   16:29:33 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#31. To: FormerLurker (#30)

So you're trying to say those who oppose corrupt industry practices and perform scientific analysis proving that a substance is harmful (a substance which is NOT even supposed to be in food in the first place), that they somehow support tyranny?

And thirty years later, those studies will have been discredited, just like the studies three decades ago that got DDT banned were finally discredited.

PaulCJ  posted on  2009-12-06   16:44:15 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#32. To: FormerLurker (#29)

Do you support vaccines and fluoridation of water supplies? They are supported by GOVERNMENT and INDUSTRY studies.

You finally admit that government uses studies to hurt the people?

PaulCJ  posted on  2009-12-06   16:45:31 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#33. To: Big Meanie (#28) (Edited)

"An ultra-low flow (ULF) toilet uses only 1.6 gallons per flush (gpf). A toilet uses between 5 and 7.5 gpf if it was manufactured before 1980. The older your toilet, the more water it uses. If your toilet was manufactured after 1980, it uses 3.5 gpf. The newest toilets use only 1.4-1.6 gpf"......Link

And you said it was 6 gallons per flush. Even your source points out you are wrong.

PaulCJ  posted on  2009-12-06   16:50:02 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#34. To: PaulCJ (#31)

And thirty years later, those studies will have been discredited, just like the studies three decades ago that got DDT banned were finally discredited.

Tell me Paul, why do YOU want ME and my FAMILY to eat MSG?


"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen

FormerLurker  posted on  2009-12-06   17:14:44 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#35. To: PaulCJ. all (#31)

And thirty years later, those studies will have been discredited, just like the studies three decades ago that got DDT banned were finally discredited.

Rachael Carson screwed the world with her research, just as algore's minions are trying to do with their research.

Totally bogus, lying, frauds.

Lod  posted on  2009-12-06   17:18:08 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#36. To: PaulCJ (#32)

You finally admit that government uses studies to hurt the people?

Those "studies" were full of rampant flaws and outright fraud, yet "experts" to this day defend them, because BILLIONS of dollars ride on the notion that they were telling the truth.

Who profits here? It's those who have their hands in the game of making people pay them to make them sick then having people pay them to "get better", that's who.

Thing is, there are MANY studies showing that fluoride is a toxin and that it is detrimental to human health, yet THOSE studies have been silenced by the likes of people such as you, who ONLY attack studies when they try to alert people to potential harm caused by corporations who care more about money than the health and welfare of their clients.

Same goes for vaccines, where there is NO evidence that vaccines have prevented disease, in fact, the evidence points to the fact that they have CAUSED the very disesases they were supposed to prevent. Not just that, but the evidence is clear that vaccines can lead to various neurological and immune system related disorders, amongst other health issues ranging from cancer to diabetes.

With MSG, who profits from informing people of the dangers? It's nobody, since eliminating MSG from food would not cost a penny, in fact, it would be CHEAPER to NOT put it in food in the first place. But wait, the people who MAKE the MSG want to continue to rake in the money, and the food industry believes it HAS to put the stuff in to make their products taste better.

People ate food without MSG for ten's of thousands of years, I don't see it as something that needs to be in food in order for people to eat.


"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen

FormerLurker  posted on  2009-12-06   17:25:41 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#37. To: PaulCJ (#31)

Oh and BTW Paul, do you think sipping a nice tall glass of liquid DDT would be good for you? Go ahead and try it, and let us know the outcome.

As far as DDT studies being discredited, by whom, Sarah Palin?


"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen

FormerLurker  posted on  2009-12-06   17:29:05 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#38. To: FormerLurker (#37)

As far as DDT studies being discredited, by whom

Monsanto, of course.

abraxas  posted on  2009-12-06   17:37:02 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#39. To: abraxas (#38)

Monsanto, of course.

Wouldn't doubt that, whether it's a joke or not, more than likely they'd be behind it.


"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen

FormerLurker  posted on  2009-12-06   17:52:35 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#40. To: FormerLurker (#39)

Wouldn't doubt that, whether it's a joke or not, more than likely they'd be behind it.

Seriously, the same company that put DDT on the market funds all the "science" claiming that it's safe and good and healthy.

Same company that gave us Agent Orange and brings us GMO crops......who wouldn't just believe whatever their highly paid scientists churn out as research? It's not as if human health is an issue, not compared to obscene profits.

abraxas  posted on  2009-12-06   18:30:26 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  



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