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Title: MSG Causes Obesity, Hides
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URL Source: http://www.rense.com/general88/msg.htm
Published: Dec 4, 2009
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Post Date: 2009-12-04 11:43:41 by Horse
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MSG hides behind 25 or more names, such as "Natural Flavoring". MSG is even in your favourite coffee from Tim Horton's and Starbucks coffee shops. I wondered if there could be an actual chemical causing the massive obesity epidemic, and so did a friend of mine, John Erb. He was a research assistant at the University of Waterloo in Ontario, Canada, and spent years working for the government. He made an amazing discovery while going through scientific journals for a book he was writing called "The Slow Poisoning of America". In hundreds of studies around the world, scientists were creating obese mice and rats to use in diet or diabetes test studies. No strain of rat or mice is naturally obese, so scientists have to create them. They make these creatures morbidly obese by injecting them with MSG when they are first born. The MSG triples the amount of insulin the pancreas creates, causing rats (and perhaps humans) to become obese. They even have a name for the fat rodents they create: 'MSG-Treated Rats.' When I heard this, I was shocked. I went into my kitchen and checked the cupboards and the refrigerator. MSG was in everything -- the Campbell's soups, the Hostess Doritos, the Lays flavoured potato chips, Top Ramen, Betty Crocker Hamburger Helper, Heinz canned gravy, Swanson frozen prepared meals, and Kraft salad dressings, especially the 'healthy low-fat' ones. The items that didn't have MSG marked on the product label had something called 'Hydrolysed Vegetable Protein,' which is just another name for Monosodium Glutamate. It was shocking to see just how many of the foods we feed our children everyday are filled with this stuff. MSG is hidden under many different names in order to fool those who read the ingredient list, so that they don't catch on. (Other names for MSG are 'Accent, 'Aginomoto, 'Natural Meat Tenderiser,' etc.) But it didn't stop there. When our family went out to eat, we started asking at the restaurants what menu items contained MSG. Many employees, even the managers, swore they didn't use MSG. But when we ask for the ingredient list, which they grudgingly provided, sure enough, MSG and Hydrolysed Vegetable Protein were everywhere. Burger King, McDonald's, Wendy's, Taco Bell, every restaurant -- even the sit-down eateries like TGIF, Chili's, Applebee's, and Denny's -- use MSG in abundance. Kentucky Fried Chicken seemed to be the WORST offender: MSG was in every chicken dish, salad dressing and gravy. No wonder I loved to eat that coating on the skin -- their secret spice was MSG! So why is MSG in so many of the foods we eat? Is it a preservative, or a vitamin? Not according to my friend John Erb. In his book "The Slow Poisoning of America", he said that MSG is added to food for the addictive effect it has on the human body. Even the propaganda website sponsored by the food manufacturers lobby group supporting MSG explains that the reason they add it to food is to make people eat more. A study of the elderly showed that older people eat more of the foods that it is added to. The Glutamate Association lobbying group says eating more is a benefit to the elderly, but what does it do to the rest of us? 'Betcha can't eat [just] one,' takes on a whole new meaning where MSG is concerned! And we wonder why the nation is overweight! MSG manufacturers themselves admit that it addicts people to their products. It makes people choose their product over others, and makes people eat more of it than they would if MSG wasn't added. Not only is MSG scientifically proven to cause obesity, it is an addictive substance. Since its introduction into the American food supply fifty years ago, MSG has been added in larger and larger doses to the pre-packaged meals, soups, snacks, and fast foods we are tempted to eat everyday. The FDA has set no limits on how much of it can be added to food. They claim it's safe to eat in any amount. But how can they claim it's safe when there are hundreds of scientific studies with titles like these: ''The monosodium glutamate (MSG) obese rat as a model for the study of exercise in obesity.'' Gobatto CA, Mello MA, Souza CT, Ribeiro IA. Res Commun Mol Pathol Pharmacol. 2002. ''Adrenalectomy abolishes the food-induced hypothalamic serotonin release in both normal and monosodium glutamate-obese rats.'' Guimaraes RB, Telles MM, Coelho VB, Mori C, Nascimento CM, Ribeiro. Brain Res Bull. 2002 Aug. ''Obesity induced by neonatal monosodium glutamate treatment in spontaneously hypertensive rats: An animal model of multiple risk factors." Iwase M, Yamamoto M, Iino K, Apparatchik K, Maraschinos N, Seminarians Fujishima Hyper tens Res. 1998 Mar. ''Hypothalamic lesion induced by injection of monosodium glutamate in suckling period and subsequent development of obesity.'' Tanaka K, Chimaera M, Nakamura K Kusunoki. Exp Neural. 1978 Oct. (Hypothalamic dysfunction is a problem with the region of the brain called the hypothalamus, which helps control the pituitary gland and regulate many body functions, particularly in response to stress. The pituitary, in turn, controls the: *Adrenal glands, *Ovaries *Testes *Thyroid gland No, the date of that last study was not a typo; it was published in 1978. Both the ''medical research community'' and ''food manufacturers'' have known about the side effects of MSG for decades. Many more of the studies mentioned in John Erb's book link MSG to diabetes, migraines and headaches, autism, ADHD, and even Alzheimer's. So what can we do to stop the food manufactures from dumping this fattening and addictive MSG into our food supply and causing the obesity epidemic we now see? Several months ago, John Erb took his book and his concerns to one of the highest government health officials in Canada. While he was sitting in the government office, the official told him, 'Sure, I know how bad MSG is. I wouldn't touch the stuff.' But this top-level government official refuses to tell the public what he knows. The big media doesn't want to tell the public either, fearing issues with their advertisers. It seems that the fallout on the fast food industry may hurt their profit margin. The food producers and restaurants have been addicting us to their products for years, and now we are paying the price for it. Our children should not be cursed with obesity caused by an addictive food additive. But what can I do about it? I'm just one voice! What can I do to stop the poisoning of our children, while our governments are insuring financial protection for the industry that is poisoning us? This message is going out to everyone I know in an attempt to tell you the truth that the corporate-owned politicians and media won't tell you. The best way you can help to save yourself and your children from this drug-induced epidemic is to forward this article to everyone. With any luck, it will circle the globe before politicians can pass the legislation protecting those who are poisoning us. The food industry learned a lot from the tobacco industry. Imagine if big tobacco had a bill like this in place before someone blew the whistle on nicotine? If you are one of the few who can still believe that MSG is good for us and you don't believe what John Erb has to say, see for yourself. Go to the National Library of Medicine at www.pubmed.com. Type in the words 'MSG Obese' and read a few of the 115 medical studies that appear. We the public do not want to be rats in one giant experiment, and we do not approve of food that makes us into a nation of obese, lethargic, addicted sheep, feeding the food industry's bottom line while waiting for the heart transplant, the diabetic induced amputation, blindness, or other obesity-induced, life-threatening disorders. With your help we can put an end to this poison. Do your part in sending this message out by word of mouth, e-mail, or by distribution of this printout to your friends all over the world and stop this 'Slow Poisoning of Mankind' by the packaged food industry. Blowing the whistle on MSG is our responsibility, so get the word out.
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If this is as detailed as the "so called study got", then it is criminal junk-science. There is no mention of the subject's real ages. Also, weight gain and weight loss can radically shift either way for a number of reasons, such as illness and medicine. Also, the other study mentioned, the one taken in 1978, is over three decades out of date. Monosodium glutamate (MSG) back then was made from "wheat gluten", now MSG is made from bacterial fermentation. So the 1978 study is invalidated as well. The people pushing these studies are just like the people pushing the fake global warning studies.
That's BS. Wheat gluten is the dregs left after beer creation, which goes through a bacterial fermentation process also. The gluten is often further ammoniated inorder to bring up the protein content for various uses, the primary which was as a fattening agent for livestock,.... now it's for people too. Eat up!!! Also why is MSG also sold under the name of yeast extract?
I was wondering how MSG's caused hides. Seemed to me that I only get hides from the animals I skin, and thought that if a new way had been found that I'd give it a shot.
MapQuest really needs to start their directions on #5. Pretty sure I know how to get out of my neighborhood.
2. Also why is MSG also sold under the name of yeast extract too? 1. My sources are: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Monosodium_glutamate (top paragraph) www.celiac.ca/Articles/Fall1990-1.html 2. I don't know.
See my edited post.
I posted my sources. Post yours.
Feed stores and mills all over the country (I use Hunt and Behrens), Cargill Feeds, Archer Daniels Midland, Cattletoday.com, Beef magazine and any dairy farm in the US. Just for starters.
I won't pretend that I know the truth about MSG. Some studies say one thing, some another. I know I eat the hell out of Shin Ramen and Chapagetti as well as other foods with MSG in it. I don't worry about it. However, I believe that arguing about whether studies are valid or not misses the point of the article. Customers should be able to make the decision whether or not they want to eat a product with MSG, or salt or peanuts, etc., etc. in it. Doing a Google search I found that some companies mislead customers about whether or not their products have MSG in them. They do this by having many different names for MSG and new ones are being thought of all the time. To me this is outright fraud and those companies doing this should be exposed and their dishonesty noted so that once again, the customer can make a decision to whether or not they want to do business with a company that lies to them. Notice I do not call for the government to get involved. I believe the market can take care of itself without government involvement.
"The Central Intelligence Agency owns everyone of any significance in the major media." ~ William Colby, Director, CIA 1973–1976 The purpose of the legal system is to protect the elites from the wrath of those they plunder.- Elliott Jackalope "When plunder becomes a way of life for a group of men living together in society, they create for themselves in the course of time a legal system that authorizes it and a moral code that justifies it." - Frederic Bastiat
I've always been real sensitive to it. If I get a headache right after eating I can bet it's due to hidden MSG. So I've just learned to take basic unadulterated ingredients and cook them! No prepackaged or pre-prepared stuff except on a very limited basis. And I rarely dine out anymore. I do know that the stuff MSG is extracted from is meant to fatten whatever eats it.
Thanks for this, Horse. I sent it to someone who will benefit from the information. I thought MSG was limited to Chinese food - so much for me. I don't eat most of what is on that list but I bet 90% of Americans do.
Amen to that. Though, studies should be questioned, because studies are used as justification for tyranny.
Ever consider the fact that if it were good for you, companies wouldn't bother trying to hide the fact they put it in their product? It IS a toxic substance, causes serotonin imbalances (gee, I wonder why there are so many people who need anti-depressants today), and adrenal gland disorders, besides making you eat like a pig. Yeah, great stuff. Go chow down at KFC dude, just go buy some private health insurance so that the rest of us won't need to pay your doctor and hospital bills when the inevitable happens.
They already ARE involved by shielding the corporations from scutiny, and trying to pass off MSG as if it were as safe as pure unadulterated cow's milk.
I bet it is not Kosher either.
God is always good!
2. It IS a toxic substance, causes serotonin imbalances 1. I view it as negligence on their part. I am more concerned with the agendas of those who fund and do these studies. 2. At what amount per day?
1. I view it as negligence on their part. I am more concerned with the agendas of those who fund and do these studies. Willfully renaming an "ingredient" in order to trick people into thinking that ingredient is not in the product is not negligence, it's willful deceipt. And why are you so worried that there are legitimate researchers out there who are trying to alert the public to dangers in our food supply? Why aren't you worried about the fact there are unscrupulous people out there who don't give a rat's ass about your health, where their only concern is their profit margin? 2. At what amount per day? Who knows, but since it's in practically everything most people eat, I'm sure the threshold for harm is reached by many on a daily basis.
Because "studies" are the foundation for tyranny caused by government. Most of the government regulations that deny us are freedoms were started by creating "studies" to justify such tyranny.
The only studies you appear to have problems with are those which refute corporate lies and attempt to warn people of danger. If regulations were applied as intended, we wouldn't have so many sick and screwed up people in this land of ours. No, only when it's profitable for those pulling the strings do regulations apply.
Tell me, what benefit for the consumer is there by companies spiking their food with MSG? It's not a nutrient, nor is it necessary. So then, why do you vehemiently defend the practice of putting it in foods, where consumers are largely unaware it's even there?
"Silent Spring", the lie that has murdered millions of people. Studies are used as justification for tyranny.
Tell me, why do you support studies created by those who support tyranny?
That reminds me of the time he called me a "bootlicker of tyranny" because I supported the move in California from 6 gallon to 1.5 gallon toilets.
I used to like those too until I checked the label. One package contains 480 calories and 2100 mg sodium.
Corrected Full Title. You need to tell christine. This is very interesting. All this concern over fat yet this is never addressed.
"The only thing better than a Federal Reserve audit would be a Federal Reserve autopsy." ~ unknown
That is 3 gallon toilets. You cannot be honest even with one sentence.
Changing out our forty year-old toilets to the 1.28 gallon/flush has helped reduce our monthly water bill to $25 and change. And the ciy's $200/toilet rebate was icing on the cake.
What is it that you think I'm being dishonest about? "An ultra-low flow (ULF) toilet uses only 1.6 gallons per flush (gpf). A toilet uses between 5 and 7.5 gpf if it was manufactured before 1980. The older your toilet, the more water it uses. If your toilet was manufactured after 1980, it uses 3.5 gpf. The newest toilets use only 1.4-1.6 gpf"......Link
Do you support vaccines and fluoridation of water supplies? They are supported by GOVERNMENT and INDUSTRY studies. So c'mon Paul, tell me your thoughts on that.
So you're trying to say those who oppose corrupt industry practices and perform scientific analysis proving that a substance is harmful (a substance which is NOT even supposed to be in food in the first place), that they somehow support tyranny? I guess perhaps you have a different notion of what tyranny is, sort of an Orwellian perspective. Corrupt corporate entities poisoning us is freedom, informing the public of the fact it is happening equates to tyranny, according to you.
And thirty years later, those studies will have been discredited, just like the studies three decades ago that got DDT banned were finally discredited.
You finally admit that government uses studies to hurt the people?
And you said it was 6 gallons per flush. Even your source points out you are wrong.
Tell me Paul, why do YOU want ME and my FAMILY to eat MSG?
Rachael Carson screwed the world with her research, just as algore's minions are trying to do with their research. Totally bogus, lying, frauds.
Those "studies" were full of rampant flaws and outright fraud, yet "experts" to this day defend them, because BILLIONS of dollars ride on the notion that they were telling the truth. Who profits here? It's those who have their hands in the game of making people pay them to make them sick then having people pay them to "get better", that's who. Thing is, there are MANY studies showing that fluoride is a toxin and that it is detrimental to human health, yet THOSE studies have been silenced by the likes of people such as you, who ONLY attack studies when they try to alert people to potential harm caused by corporations who care more about money than the health and welfare of their clients. Same goes for vaccines, where there is NO evidence that vaccines have prevented disease, in fact, the evidence points to the fact that they have CAUSED the very disesases they were supposed to prevent. Not just that, but the evidence is clear that vaccines can lead to various neurological and immune system related disorders, amongst other health issues ranging from cancer to diabetes. With MSG, who profits from informing people of the dangers? It's nobody, since eliminating MSG from food would not cost a penny, in fact, it would be CHEAPER to NOT put it in food in the first place. But wait, the people who MAKE the MSG want to continue to rake in the money, and the food industry believes it HAS to put the stuff in to make their products taste better. People ate food without MSG for ten's of thousands of years, I don't see it as something that needs to be in food in order for people to eat.
Oh and BTW Paul, do you think sipping a nice tall glass of liquid DDT would be good for you? Go ahead and try it, and let us know the outcome. As far as DDT studies being discredited, by whom, Sarah Palin?
Monsanto, of course.
Wouldn't doubt that, whether it's a joke or not, more than likely they'd be behind it.
Seriously, the same company that put DDT on the market funds all the "science" claiming that it's safe and good and healthy. Same company that gave us Agent Orange and brings us GMO crops......who wouldn't just believe whatever their highly paid scientists churn out as research? It's not as if human health is an issue, not compared to obscene profits.
2. Totally bogus, lying, frauds. 1. And both did it through conducting and publishing "studies". Said studies used by the government to harm the people. This is what I am talking about when I question studies. This is the point I am trying to make. 2. You will get no argument about that from me.
I could care less what you and your family it. Though, government will likely someday demand people only eat tofu and soybean products at the rate the tyranny is going.
My statement was "That reminds me of the time (PaulCJ) called me a 'bootlicker of tyranny' because I supported the move in California from 6 gallon to 1.5 gallon toilets." Are you going to tell me how I was being "dishonest," or are you just going to shuck and jive until everyone goes to another thread? IIRC, you were in favor of us keeping our 6 gal toilets and converting sea water into fresh water "like the Israelis do." Is that still your position?
Then why are you siding with those who slip it into most foods, where it's virtually impossible NOT to eat it?
Why do you support using "safety" for justification for tyranny by government? Come on, admit it, you want government to ban anything you don't like.
Come on, admit it, you want government to ban anything you don't like. Why do you support fascist who poison the US population in order to enrich themselves? You support tyranny as long as the rich get richer, yet scold those who try to alert people to the fact they're being poisoned for profit.
Totally bogus, lying, frauds. Former Miss Argentina, Solange Magnano, 38, dies after buttock implants operation. More lying....... **** Yes ...... it was worth the picture ................
Because they are not fascists. They are not forcing you to eat their products. And there is a large enough variety of food products you can get that does not have any additives. You on the other hand support the studies that lead to tyranny, where government DEMANDS you do something it wants, there is not choices, no variety, you do what it wants or you go to jail, or worse. That is the fascism YOU SUPPORT!!!
Wrong, wrong, and wrong. A) Yes they are, they believe they are above the law and act in a very callous and immoral manner by slipping a hazardous substance into their food products in order to try to addict consumers to those products, and to cause them to consume them in more volume. B) It is close to impossible to know which foods do NOT have MSG (or MSG hidden in the ingredients) at any resturant, fast food or otherwise, and most people are totally unaware that MOST foods prepared at resturants DO contain unknown quantities of MSG. So that is pretty much FORCING people to eat something that they wouldn't eat if they KNEW what they were eating. C) Unless a person is to eat nothing but fresh organic fruit, vegetables, meat, organic milk and juice, then it is impossible to avoid consuming MSG or other harmful substances. Avoiding MSG involves avoiding most processed foods, salad dressings, sauces, gravies, and most anything typically taken for granted. You support the practice of adulterating food with harmful substances, and keeping the consumer in the dark in regards to exactly what is being put into the foods they consume. Why is that Paul? Do you profit from poisoning people without their knowledge?
How many people do you think actually WANT MSG in their food? Feel free to go buy some and slather it all over your fucking meal dude, but DON'T toss it into my food without ASKING me if I want it there. YOU support those who FORCE people to eat shit they don't want.
2. YOU support those who FORCE people to eat shit they don't want. 1. How many people do you think actually WANT GOVERNMENT in their IN THEIR LIVES? Government forces them by telling them what to eat, where to work, who to talk too. This is the type of fascist these studies create, the studies you support. 2. And how are companies forcing people to eat their products?
By not labeling their GMO products as such. People should have a choice to eat it or not, but you have no choice when you do not know. This happens because the EPA and the FDA are filled with Monsanto executives who waltz from one side to the other for the benefit of Monasanto and not the people. Government is forcing GMO products on the people by doing the bidding of the corporations. There is no distinction between the corporation and the government these days Paul. Slow creep to fascism, but we have arrived. You might have a point if the government wasn't filled with corporate execs and lobbyists who rarely implement any regulation on the side of the people. How many people do you actually think want DDT in their lives?
Let us get this straight. We're going to pass a health care plan written by a committee whose head says he doesn't understand it, passed by a Congress that hasn't read it but exempts themselves from it, signed by a president that also hasn't read it and who smokes, with funding administered by a treasury chief who didn't pay his taxes, overseen by a surgeon general who is obese, and financed by a country that's nearly broke. What could possibly go wrong?
To prevent deaths from insect caused diseases.
Why do you think that DDT is the only option for irradication? This was true when it hit the market in WWII, but that isn't true today.
Let us get this straight. We're going to pass a health care plan written by a committee whose head says he doesn't understand it, passed by a Congress that hasn't read it but exempts themselves from it, signed by a president that also hasn't read it and who smokes, with funding administered by a treasury chief who didn't pay his taxes, overseen by a surgeon general who is obese, and financed by a country that's nearly broke. What could possibly go wrong?
It is the safest option. You on the other hand support going back to the stone age, except for yourself.
Bovine excrement. If your going to post something like that, cough up some data to back your claims. You cough up the data and I'll show you how Monsanto paid for the research. What part of other options indicates going back to the stone age? You are the one stuck in 1950 cheerleading the benefits of DDT.
Let us get this straight. We're going to pass a health care plan written by a committee whose head says he doesn't understand it, passed by a Congress that hasn't read it but exempts themselves from it, signed by a president that also hasn't read it and who smokes, with funding administered by a treasury chief who didn't pay his taxes, overseen by a surgeon general who is obese, and financed by a country that's nearly broke. What could possibly go wrong?
Those who help to ban DDT are partly responsible for the 20 million deaths caused by insect carried diseases in the last three decades. Do you feel any guilt at all?
FYI Paul: The evolution of resistance to DDT in mosquitoes has greatly reduced its effectiveness in many parts of the world, and current WHO guidelines require that before the chemical is used in an area, susceptibility of local mosquitoes to DDT must be confirmed. It's been 50 years since DDT was used extensively and deemed the best form of irradiction of mosquitos, especially since mosquitos have EVOLVED in the same manner that effective irradication has evolved from extensive DDT usage.
Let us get this straight. We're going to pass a health care plan written by a committee whose head says he doesn't understand it, passed by a Congress that hasn't read it but exempts themselves from it, signed by a president that also hasn't read it and who smokes, with funding administered by a treasury chief who didn't pay his taxes, overseen by a surgeon general who is obese, and financed by a country that's nearly broke. What could possibly go wrong?
Do try to keep up Paul. Mosquitos evolved and are now resistent to DDT. Are those who banned DDT also responsible for the mosquitoes evolving and becoming resistant to DDT? Face it, you are promoting an ineffective solution when there are effective solutions to for dealing with insect irradication. Where do you come up with this 20 million number? I wonder how many of those died because DDT was still used even when it wasn't effective. BTW Paul, DDT continues to be used to this day, especially in Africa where milaria and also DDT resistant mosquitos continue to take lives--do you feel guilty about that?
Let us get this straight. We're going to pass a health care plan written by a committee whose head says he doesn't understand it, passed by a Congress that hasn't read it but exempts themselves from it, signed by a president that also hasn't read it and who smokes, with funding administered by a treasury chief who didn't pay his taxes, overseen by a surgeon general who is obese, and financed by a country that's nearly broke. What could possibly go wrong?
Just more BS by environmentalists.
For crying out loud, Paul, the ineffetiveness and resistance to DDT was first reported in 1956. Resistance was noted early in spray campaigns, with Paul Russell, a former head of the Allied Anti-Malaria campaign, observing in 1956 that eradication programs had to be wary of relying on DDT for too long as "resistance has appeared after six or seven years." NOTE SOURCE: Allied Anti-Milaria campaign. I've noted that you haven't coughed up one bit of date to substantiate your claims, Paul.
Let us get this straight. We're going to pass a health care plan written by a committee whose head says he doesn't understand it, passed by a Congress that hasn't read it but exempts themselves from it, signed by a president that also hasn't read it and who smokes, with funding administered by a treasury chief who didn't pay his taxes, overseen by a surgeon general who is obese, and financed by a country that's nearly broke. What could possibly go wrong?
It was banned on a pack of lies (thinning of bird eggshells). And not the reasons you stated, which means the reasons you state, which means those reasons are not true.
Paul, I am giving you the information on DDT that is necessary for you to understand that it isn't as effective as you claim it to be. BTW, not one shred of evidence regarding effectiveness for ag usage or as an insecticide have you offered--not one. When the resistance was first noted, back in 1956, there was no Rachel Carson or environmentalists on the scene. Despite this noted resistance, DDT use continued up to the peak of using 82,000 tons per year in 1963. I don't think you even realize that the massive overuse of DDT in agriculture is what led to the mosquito mutations and resistance. FYI: As early as the 1940s, scientists in the U.S. had begun expressing concern over possible hazards associated with DDT, and in the 1950s the government began tightening some of the regulations governing its use. This was before the environmentalists and Rachel Carson were around. Were you aware of this information, Paul? What pack of lies Paul? There is a large body of evidence that you are completely unaware of that begins in the 1940's, long before Carson came on the scene and, to be honest, I don't know a lot about her claims or research. What I do know is that regulation and concern began in the 1940's. I've verified all of my facts, Paul. Why don't you do the same? You keep making these outlandish statments and opinions that are far removed from any facts about DDT.
Let us get this straight. We're going to pass a health care plan written by a committee whose head says he doesn't understand it, passed by a Congress that hasn't read it but exempts themselves from it, signed by a president that also hasn't read it and who smokes, with funding administered by a treasury chief who didn't pay his taxes, overseen by a surgeon general who is obese, and financed by a country that's nearly broke. What could possibly go wrong?
You are not hearing me. Those were not the reasons DDT were banned. You on the other hand keep coming up one with false reason after another to oppose DDT. The reason, it worked and because it worked, it against the plans of the enviro-fascism pushed by governments and elitists. Today, the EPA is going to start restricting levels of CO2. This logically will lead to the genocide of the people, because human exhale CO2. All of this fascism is based on lies.
I do everything I can to avoid MSG and yet it is impossible to avoid completely. It has become the universal food additive to increase consumption. I don't eat KFC, I very very rarely eat at McDonald's - I ate a couple of their breakfast items on the fly last week which was the first time in well over a year. I felt dirty by doing so knowing some of what really goes into McFood. Anyone wonder why there are so many fat black people? Most of the processed foods they eat contain MSG. Blacks are McDonald's largest demographic as a percentage of their population. MSG is also an excitotoxin. Meaning that it overstimulates and then kills, by overstimulation, nerve cells and brain cells. Even if you don't drink and you eat a standard Amurkin' diet you are killing lots of brain cells daily. Fluoride, a poison, is also an excitotoxin as is Aspartame (Nutra-Sweet/Death). A couple of references: Toxicity of Monosodium Glutamate Dirty Secrets of the Food Processing Industry and for good measure: Why Americans Will Believe Almost Anything
"An education isn't how much you have committed to memory, or even how much you know. It's being able to differentiate between what you know and what you don't. ~ Anatole France
Those are the salient points that concern your argument. I have given you no false reasons, merely facts about DDT. It worked initially because the mosquitos hadn't built resistence. I've even offered you commentary from Allied Anti Malaria dating back to 1956 that resistence was evident then, yet you claim, without any evidence to the contrary, that this isn't true. If DDT was so great and safe and effective, why did the goobermint begin restricting usage in the 1950's? Why were scientists putting up red flags regarding usage in the 1940's? Why do you ignore everything prior to Rachel Carson? Do you realize that Rachel Carson never pushed for a ban on DDT? She was a non-fiction author who wrote a story. BTW: DDT resistant mosquitoes have generally proved susceptible to pyrethroids, an alternative to DDT.
Let us get this straight. We're going to pass a health care plan written by a committee whose head says he doesn't understand it, passed by a Congress that hasn't read it but exempts themselves from it, signed by a president that also hasn't read it and who smokes, with funding administered by a treasury chief who didn't pay his taxes, overseen by a surgeon general who is obese, and financed by a country that's nearly broke. What could possibly go wrong?
2. YOU support those who FORCE people to eat shit they don't want. 1. How many people do you think actually WANT GOVERNMENT in their IN THEIR LIVES? Government forces them by telling them what to eat, where to work, who to talk too. This is the type of fascist these studies create, the studies you support. 2. And how are companies forcing people to eat their products? It is not a matter of government telling people what to eat but telling them what poisons are in their food so that they may make an informed choice. Would you advocate allowing Food Processors to put Strychnine in their products because it is would be unwarranted government intervention in people's lives to prevent them from doing so? I don't often make that simile because I am not a fan of big government. I, however, am equally opposed to allowing food processors to adulterate their products and not disclosing that they have and the side effects of that adulteration. People are forced to eat those products at this point in time because they are: A. Unaware as the information is not widely available. It is more so than ten years ago but still full labeling disclosure should be required. B. By hiding it under names people do not recognize i.e., by fraud and deception. Do you approve of fraud and deception because allowing government to order them not to would be an unwarranted intrusion?
"An education isn't how much you have committed to memory, or even how much you know. It's being able to differentiate between what you know and what you don't. ~ Anatole France
Yes, she did by writing a book full of lies. It is quite clear that you refuse to listen to reason. And I am finished this issue for now.
You obviously been ignoring what is happening right now in D.C.; Obamacare, EPA co2 regulation, cap and trade, fascist control of the economy.
And they do not develop resistance to pyrethin based insecticides because it works mechanically plugging up bodily orofices. Just as Iron Phospate, non-toxic to humans and larger mammals, kills slugs deader than a doornail without adding poisons to the environment. The entire Petro-chemical based Insecticide business is built upon old science continued by fraud and failure to research and produce less toxic natural substitutes.
"An education isn't how much you have committed to memory, or even how much you know. It's being able to differentiate between what you know and what you don't. ~ Anatole France
You obviously been ignoring what is happening right now in D.C.; Obamacare, EPA co2 regulation, cap and trade, fascist control of the economy. I have been paying close attention and have written about it extensively. You are making an apples and oranges distinction. Requiring disclosure of toxins is not the same as mandating people's choices. If they want to poison themselves that is their business but people should be informed and manufacturers should not be allowed to defraud the consuming public through the omission of vital data.
"An education isn't how much you have committed to memory, or even how much you know. It's being able to differentiate between what you know and what you don't. ~ Anatole France
That's been going on for years where have you been? Obamacare means that ingredients will be listed on the label? And last but not least the act that created the EPA was signed by........................Tricky Dicky. And you think the GOP is going to save you! lol
lol.....Original Intent walked in just in time to beat this dead horse into the ground.
Let us get this straight. We're going to pass a health care plan written by a committee whose head says he doesn't understand it, passed by a Congress that hasn't read it but exempts themselves from it, signed by a president that also hasn't read it and who smokes, with funding administered by a treasury chief who didn't pay his taxes, overseen by a surgeon general who is obese, and financed by a country that's nearly broke. What could possibly go wrong?
"An education isn't how much you have committed to memory, or even how much you know. It's being able to differentiate between what you know and what you don't. ~ Anatole France
I use diatomaceous earth on some of my critters. Insects rarely develop a resistance to that either.
It also adds a small amount of calcium to the soil as it breaks down.
"An education isn't how much you have committed to memory, or even how much you know. It's being able to differentiate between what you know and what you don't. ~ Anatole France
That too, as much of the SF Northbay soils are calcium deficient.
Another item you might want then is ground up Glacial Rock Dust (Brand Name: Gaia Green Glacial Rock Dust) and Oyster Shell Calcium - both good organic amendments for mineral deficient soils.. Peaceful Valley Farm supply sells it - although I found a cheaper price near where I live in the Willamette Valley.
"An education isn't how much you have committed to memory, or even how much you know. It's being able to differentiate between what you know and what you don't. ~ Anatole France
How many people do you think actually WANT GOVERNMENT in their IN THEIR LIVES? Government forces them by telling them what to eat, where to work, who to talk too. This is the type of fascist these studies create, the studies you support. Yeah, government is telling them to eat what YOU and your corporate pals insist they consume, whether they like it or not. Thanks, to people such as you, kids are coming down with all sort of unheard of diseases, largely due to vaccines and toxins slipped into food with a nod and a wink from the very agencies which are supposed to be protecting public health. You support monied old goons who are salivating over how many young whores they can fit on their private jets, while damaging the US population in order to squeeze a few extra cents here and there from every single one of them. And BTW nutjob, government is NOT telling me where to work, or who to talk to. I think the MSG and various other shit has fried what little grey matter you had between those big floppy ears of yours. And how are companies forcing people to eat their products? Every single one that passes their food products off as completely safe and natural, yet are adulterated with chemicals that can and do cause harm. People shouldn't need to bring along a chemist and a testing lab with them each time they go to the supermarket or to a resturant. People need to eat, and if they think they are buying wholesome food and getting garbage, then the company selling the garbage IS forcing them to eat it since they are TRICKING the consumer into thinking it ISN'T garbage. If I spit in your cheeseburger if I'm a chef, is that ok with you since you asked for the cheeseburger?
See above post...
A very telling point. While most people are ill informed as to what is in their food they are not well served by labeling that seeks to deceive by burying important information in dense polysyllables. Maybe there is a niche market for a Supermarket Food Toxicity Testing Kit? "No home should be without one. It helps you to identify 336 different toxins used as food additives."
"An education isn't how much you have committed to memory, or even how much you know. It's being able to differentiate between what you know and what you don't. ~ Anatole France
Do you know how crops are grown? Do you know what crops use for food to grow? The trace chemicals found in crops are numerous. And that is before the crops get harvested.
You didn't answer the question. If I spit in your cheeseburger because you want to eat a cheeseburger, is that ok?
You refuse to answer my questions.
If the companies manufacturing the kits were simply selling water that reacted to absolutely nothing, Paul would be all for it, because who are we to question what companies sell to us...
I asked you first. Any moron can see that you are asking ridiculous questions, such as "are you still beating your wife". I've asked you honest questions that you have yet to answer. Start by answering this one, "If I spit in your cheeseburger at a resturant, is that ok with you since you asked for a cheeseburger"? You see Paul, you are apparently supporting ANY slop tossed into food, since it would be supporting tyranny to question anything about what you put in your mouth and swallow, according to your logic at least.
You see FL, you would support any study, not matter the damage it does to the freedom and liberty of the people.
That's where you're wrong Paul. You seem to be an anti-science, anti-common sense sort of guy, especially if it has to do with protecting the asses of your corporate masters. Myself, I don't swallow information without questioning it, just like I don't swallow food without questioning what's in it. However, blatently unnecessary practices which involve the safety of food is a no-brainer, where nobody HAS to put MSG into food, and nobody but your corporate pals will care if MSG is prohibited. It's not a matter of telling people they can't have something they want, because NOBODY WANTS MSG in their food. Just like most people don't want spit in their cheeseburgers, people don't want corporations to add their spit in what they eat, and if there IS spit in there, it'd be nice for them to know it's there in the first place at least. You can always add spit yourself if you crave it so much. But nooooo, to you, the corporations are the only ones that count, and for us to tell them they can't add spit to our food, or to even want them to tell us it's there in the first place, well by golly that's supporting tyranny. In other words bud, you are a whackjob.
MSG Causes Obesity, Hides Behind Many Fake Names
#2. To: Horse (#0)
A study of the elderly showed that older people eat more of the foods that it is added to. The Glutamate Association lobbying group says eating more is a benefit to the elderly, but what does it do to the rest of us?
#3. To: PaulCJ (#2)
(Edited)
Monosodium glutamate (MSG) back then was made from "wheat gluten", now MSG is made from bacterial fermentation. So the 1978 study is invalidated as well.
#4. To: Horse (#1)
#5. To: mininggold (#3)
1. That's BS. Wheat gluten is the dregs left after beer creation which is a bacterial fermentation process also.
#6. To: PaulCJ (#5)
. I don't know.
#7. To: mininggold (#6)
#8. To: PaulCJ (#7)
I posted my sources. Post yours.
#9. To: mininggold, PaulCJ (#6)
#10. To: F.A. Hayek Fan (#9)
Notice I do not call for the government to get involved. I believe the market can take care of itself without government involvement.
#11. To: Horse (#0)
#12. To: F.A. Hayek Fan (#9)
Notice I do not call for the government to get involved. I believe the market can take care of itself without government involvement.
#13. To: PaulCJ (#2)
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
#14. To: F.A. Hayek Fan (#9)
Notice I do not call for the government to get involved. I believe the market can take care of itself without government involvement.
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
#15. To: Horse (#0)
#16. To: FormerLurker (#13)
1. Ever consider the fact that if it were good for you, companies wouldn't bother trying to hide the fact they put it in their product?
#17. To: PaulCJ (#16)
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
#18. To: FormerLurker (#17)
And why are you so worried that there are legitimate researchers out there who are trying to alert the public to dangers in our food supply?
#19. To: PaulCJ (#18)
Because "studies" are the foundation for tyranny caused by government. Most of the government regulations that deny us are freedoms were started by creating "studies" to justify such tyranny.
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
#20. To: PaulCJ (#18)
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
#21. To: FormerLurker (#20)
#22. To: FormerLurker (#20)
#23. To: FormerLurker, PaulCJ (#22)
".....why do you support studies created by those who support tyranny?"
#24. To: F.A. Hayek Fan (#9)
"...I eat the hell out of Shin Ramen...."
#25. To: Horse, christine (#1)
MSG Causes Obesity, Hides Behind Many Fake Names
#26. To: Big Meanie (#23)
That reminds me of the time he called me a "bootlicker of tyranny" because I supported the move in California from 6 gallon to 1.5 gallon toilets.
#27. To: Big Meanie. all who flush (#23)
That reminds me of the time he called me a "bootlicker of tyranny" because I supported the move in California from 6 gallon to 1.5 gallon toilets.
#28. To: PaulCJ (#26)
"That is 3 gallon toilets. You cannot be honest even with one sentence."
#29. To: PaulCJ (#21)
Studies are used as justification for tyranny.
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
#30. To: PaulCJ (#22)
Tell me, why do you support studies created by those who support tyranny?
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
#31. To: FormerLurker (#30)
So you're trying to say those who oppose corrupt industry practices and perform scientific analysis proving that a substance is harmful (a substance which is NOT even supposed to be in food in the first place), that they somehow support tyranny?
#32. To: FormerLurker (#29)
Do you support vaccines and fluoridation of water supplies? They are supported by GOVERNMENT and INDUSTRY studies.
#33. To: Big Meanie (#28)
(Edited)
"An ultra-low flow (ULF) toilet uses only 1.6 gallons per flush (gpf). A toilet uses between 5 and 7.5 gpf if it was manufactured before 1980. The older your toilet, the more water it uses. If your toilet was manufactured after 1980, it uses 3.5 gpf. The newest toilets use only 1.4-1.6 gpf"......Link
#34. To: PaulCJ (#31)
And thirty years later, those studies will have been discredited, just like the studies three decades ago that got DDT banned were finally discredited.
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
#35. To: PaulCJ. all (#31)
And thirty years later, those studies will have been discredited, just like the studies three decades ago that got DDT banned were finally discredited.
#36. To: PaulCJ (#32)
You finally admit that government uses studies to hurt the people?
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
#37. To: PaulCJ (#31)
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
#38. To: FormerLurker (#37)
As far as DDT studies being discredited, by whom
#39. To: abraxas (#38)
Monsanto, of course.
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
#40. To: FormerLurker (#39)
Wouldn't doubt that, whether it's a joke or not, more than likely they'd be behind it.
#41. To: Lod (#35)
1. Rachael Carson screwed the world with her research, just as algore's minions are trying to do with their research.
#42. To: FormerLurker (#34)
Tell me Paul, why do YOU want ME and my FAMILY to eat MSG?
#43. To: PaulCJ (#33)
"And you said it was 6 gallons per flush. Even your source points out you are wrong."
#44. To: PaulCJ (#42)
I could care less what you and your family it.
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
#45. To: FormerLurker (#44)
#46. To: PaulCJ (#45)
Why do you support using "safety" for justification for tyranny by government?
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
#47. To: Lod, liberator, sneakypete (#35)
Rachael Carson screwed the world with her research, just as algore's minions are trying to do with their research.
#48. To: FormerLurker (#46)
Why do you support fascist who poison the US population in order to enrich themselves?
#49. To: PaulCJ (#48)
Because they are not fascists. They are not forcing you to eat their products. And there is a large enough variety of food products you can get that does not have any additives.
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
#50. To: PaulCJ (#48)
You on the other hand support the studies that lead to tyranny, where government DEMANDS you do something it wants, there is not choices, no variety, you do what it wants or you go to jail, or worse. That is the fascism YOU SUPPORT!!!
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
#51. To: FormerLurker (#50)
1. How many people do you think actually WANT MSG in their food?
#52. To: PaulCJ (#51)
2. And how are companies forcing people to eat their products?
#53. To: abraxas (#52)
How many people do you actually think want DDT in their lives?
#54. To: PaulCJ (#53)
To prevent deaths from insect caused diseases.
#55. To: abraxas (#54)
(Edited)
Why do you think that DDT is the only option for irradication?
#56. To: PaulCJ (#55)
It is the safest option
#57. To: abraxas (#56)
You are the one stuck in 1950 cheerleading the benefits of DDT.
#58. To: PaulCJ (#55)
#59. To: PaulCJ (#57)
Those who help to ban DDT are partly responsible for the 20 million deaths caused by insect carried diseases in the last three decades.
#60. To: abraxas (#58)
The evolution of resistance to DDT in mosquitoes has greatly reduced its effectiveness in many parts of the world, and current WHO guidelines require that before the chemical is used in an area, susceptibility of local mosquitoes to DDT must be confirmed.
#61. To: PaulCJ (#60)
Just more BS by environmentalists.
#62. To: abraxas (#61)
For crying out loud, Paul, the ineffetiveness and resistance to DDT was first reported in 1956.
#63. To: PaulCJ (#62)
It was banned on a pack of lies (thinning of bird eggshells). And not the reasons you stated, which means the reasons you state, which means those reasons are not true.
#64. To: abraxas (#63)
Paul, I am giving you the information on DDT that is necessary for you to understand that it isn't as effective as you claim it to be.
#65. To: Horse (#0)
#66. To: PaulCJ (#64)
Those were not the reasons DDT were banned.
#67. To: PaulCJ, FormerLurker, christine, wudidiz, TwentyTwelve, all (#51)
1. How many people do you think actually WANT MSG in their food?
#68. To: abraxas (#66)
Do you realize that Rachel Carson never pushed for a ban on DDT?
#69. To: Original_Intent (#67)
It is not a matter of government telling people what to eat but telling them what poisons are in their food so that they may make an informed choice.
#70. To: abraxas, PaulCJ (#66)
BTW: DDT resistant mosquitoes have generally proved susceptible to pyrethroids, an alternative to DDT.
#71. To: PaulCJ (#69)
(Edited)
It is not a matter of government telling people what to eat but telling them what poisons are in their food so that they may make an informed choice.
#72. To: PaulCJ (#69)
You obviously been ignoring what is happening right now in D.C.; Obamacare, EPA co2 regulation, cap and trade, fascist control of the economy.
#73. To: PaulCJ, Original_Intent (#68)
And I am finished this issue for now.
#74. To: abraxas (#73)
#75. To: Original_Intent (#70)
And they do not develop resistance to pyrethin based insecticides because it works mechanically plugging up bodily orofices. Just as Iron Phospate, non-toxic to humans and larger mammals, kills slugs deader than a doornail without adding poisons to the environment.
#76. To: mininggold (#75)
#77. To: Original_Intent (#76)
It also adds a small amount of calcium to the soil as it breaks down.
#78. To: mininggold (#77)
#79. To: PaulCJ (#51)
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
#80. To: Original_Intent, christine, wudidiz, TwentyTwelve, ALL (#79)
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
#81. To: FormerLurker (#79)
Every single one that passes their food products off as completely safe and natural, yet are adulterated with chemicals that can and do cause harm. People shouldn't need to bring along a chemist and a testing lab with them each time they go to the supermarket or to a resturant.
#82. To: FormerLurker (#79)
Every single one that passes their food products off as completely safe and natural, yet are adulterated with chemicals that can and do cause harm.
#83. To: PaulCJ (#82)
(Edited)
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
#84. To: FormerLurker (#83)
You didn't answer the question.
#85. To: Original_Intent (#81)
Maybe there is a niche market for a Supermarket Food Toxicity Testing Kit? "No home should be without one. It helps you to identify 336 different toxins used as food additives."
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
#86. To: PaulCJ (#84)
You refuse to answer my questions.
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
#87. To: FormerLurker (#86)
(Edited)
You see Paul, you are apparently supporting ANY slop tossed into food, since it would be supporting tyranny to question anything about what you put in your mouth and swallow, according to your logic at least.
#88. To: PaulCJ (#87)
You see FL, you would support any study, not matter the damage it does to the freedom and liberty of the people.
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
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