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Title: Palin says questioning Obama’s birth certificate legit
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URL Source: http://rawstory.com/2009/12/palin-questioning-obama/
Published: Dec 5, 2009
Author: Raw Story
Post Date: 2009-12-05 14:21:59 by wudidiz
Keywords: None
Views: 1544
Comments: 183

Palin says questioning Obama’s birth certificate legit

By Raw Story
Friday, December 4th, 2009 -- 8:32 am

Update at bottom: Palin backtracks -- partly -- in Facebook posting

In a radio appearance Thursday, former Alaska governor and GOP vice presidential nominee Sarah Palin said questions about President Obama's birth certificate -- a spurious attempt to argue that he's not a US citizen and thus ineligible for President -- are fair game for debate.

Transcript and video follows.

HUMPHRIES: Sarah Palin here on the Rusty Humphries Show. One of the questions Jason asks is would you make the birth certificate an issue if you ran?

PALIN: I think the public rightly is still making it an issue. I don’t have a problem with that. I don’t know if I would have to bother to make it an issue because I think there are enough members of the electorate that still want answers.

HUMPHRIES: Do you think it’s a fair question to be looking at?

PALIN: I think it’s a fair question just like I think past associations and past voting records. All of that is fair game. You know, I’ve got to tell you too, I think our campaign, the McCain-Palin campaign didn’t do a good enough job in that area. We didn’t call out Obama and some of his associates on their records and what their beliefs were, and perhaps what their future plans were, and I don’t think that was fair to voters to not have done our job as candidates and a campaign to bring to light a lot of things that now we’re seeing manifest in the administration.

HUMPHRIES: I mean, truly if your past is fair game and your kids are fair game, certainly Obama’s past should be. I mean, we want to treat men and women equally, right?

PALIN: Hey, you know, that’s a great point. And that weird conspiracy theory freaky thing that people talk about that Trig isn’t my real son, and a lot of people that went "Well, you need to produce his birth certificate, you need to prove that he’s your kid," which we have done, but yeah, so maybe we can reverse that, and use the same [inaudible] thinking on the other one.

UPDATE

Following her radio interview comments about Obama's birth certificate, Sarah Palin backtracked -- partly -- in a posting to her Facebook page late Wednesday night.

"At no point ... have I asked the president to produce his birth certificate or suggested that he was not born in the United States," Palin wrote in a posting she titled "Stupid conspiracies."

The full statement reads:

Voters have every right to ask candidates for information if they so choose. I’ve pointed out that it was seemingly fair game during the 2008 election for many on the left to badger my doctor and lawyer for proof that Trig is in fact my child. Conspiracy-minded reporters and voters had a right to ask... which they have repeatedly. But at no point – not during the campaign, and not during recent interviews – have I asked the president to produce his birth certificate or suggested that he was not born in the United States.

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#124. To: abraxas (#121)

You still believe that the abortion issue is anything more than a stalking horse to rally the emotions of the true believers? Gee, you had a republican controlled house, senate and executive and beyond the election cycle they never bothered to talk about the issue. That should have been a clue for folks.

What percentage of people do you think knew about that vote by Obama? I'd say less than one eighth of one percent. Was that vote getting airplay beyond a group of people who weren't going to vote for Obama anyway?

You are correct that many Republicans just pretend to be pro life to get votes. But certainly not all of them.

A correction for you though, they did pass ban on partial birth abortion. I don't think that went far enough.

The Jury is still out on Palin if she would champion the anti abortion cause if she were so fortunate to be elected President.

I don't know what percent knew that Obama hated babies so much that he voted to let them be murdered. But it was wrong that is the important thing.

You are correct that only Republicans talked about Obama hating kids so much he would let them be murdered. I wonder why the mainstream media didn't highlight Obamas anti kid ideology. Could it be that they are "in bed" with him and his hate baby ideology?

Error of opinion may be tolerated where reason is left free to combat it - Thomas Jefferson

A K A Stone  posted on  2009-12-06   12:21:59 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#125. To: abraxas (#110)

I despised McCain. I was a Ron Paul man. I voted for McCain/Palin because Palin wasn't born rich. She had to work for what she got. She started off as a pissed off partent on the PTA. She is grass roots. She is the only candidate on the horizon that has any kind of chance of turning things around. Until someone better comes along that has a real shot. I will support Palin. Besides it pisses off the liberal turds.

Error of opinion may be tolerated where reason is left free to combat it - Thomas Jefferson

A K A Stone  posted on  2009-12-06   12:22:54 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#126. To: A K A Stone (#125)

I voted for McCain/Palin because Palin wasn't born rich. She had to work for what she got. She started off as a pissed off partent on the PTA. She is grass roots. She is the only candidate on the horizon that has any kind of chance of turning things around. Until someone better comes along that has a real shot. I will support Palin. Besides it pisses off the liberal turds.

How did Palin work? Did she pay her own way through college? Did she take out taxpayer loans? Did her parents foot the bill?

How is she grass roots? This is the PR story, yes. But what do you kow to support this claim?

She is now the "only one on the horizon" to strap your hopes and dreams upon? This is how Saint Sarah is marketing herself...her team is doing a hell of a job. Sounds quite similar to the Obama strategy.......lol. Funny how Obama is a fraud for using such marketing gimmicks, but ol' Sarah is a saint.

Tell me, how is Saint Sarah going to turn ANYTHING around. I don't want platitudes, but some real substance......if you can find any.

Yes, she is very effective at pissing off liberal turds. Sad thing is that folks actually think this is a good enough quality to cover her lack of substance and inability to offer any real solutions for any issus. She is so useful at keeping the masses focused on the two party fraud!!

abraxas  posted on  2009-12-06   12:32:03 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#127. To: your_neighbor (#100)

A fair description of this thread is “beat down” from the left and right.

See the National Review article I quoted.

A conservative female columnist started out believing in her and hoping for her, and after she opened her mouth a few times, the columnist started cringing more and more, and now has come to the conclusion that the best thing Palin could have done is get out of the picture so as not to embarrass McCain any more than she already had.

Outside of a core group of noisy yappy supporters who see her as some kind of anti-politician - even though she parrots pro-Jewish talking points - few see her as relevant or qualified.

AGAviator  posted on  2009-12-06   12:38:39 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#128. To: abraxas (#126)

I went to the McCain event where she was announced. I've posted pics I took at the event.

Getting up close and looking her and her family in the eye. I could see that she was an ordinary person. With an ordinary family. You can tell something about a person when you look in their eyes and see their facial expressions and the way the react to stuff. I went there to protest McCain. I didn't clap at anything he said. When he started announcing her as a she. I thought what a ploy and I was prepared not to like her. But having been there I came to respect her.

I don't know if she paid her way through college or those other things. It doesn't really concern me how she went to college.

I know a guy from Alaska and his name is Pete. He said the people up in Alaska like here a great deal for the most part. The people of Alaska by in large have great values and a better understanding of limited government then most people in the lower states do imo.

Is she perfect. Certainly not, no one is. But I honestly believe she is a good person and wants to do what is right. I disagree with her on the war and hope she will change her mind on that issue.

Nice chit chatting with you.

Error of opinion may be tolerated where reason is left free to combat it - Thomas Jefferson

A K A Stone  posted on  2009-12-06   12:39:47 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#129. To: AGAviator (#127)

A conservative female columnist started out believing in her and hoping for her, and after she opened her mouth a few times, the columnist started cringing more and more, and now has come to the conclusion that the best thing Palin could have done is get out of the picture so as not to embarrass McCain any more than she already had.

The reporter was loyal to McCain and the Republican Party -- big deal.

I sure am not - neither is Sarah - good on her!

your_neighbor  posted on  2009-12-06   13:40:37 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#130. To: abraxas (#126)

She is so useful at keeping the masses focused on the two party fraud!!

That two party fraud has been going on for 200 years - and you blame Sarah???

That is a weak argument - you are reaching.

She went against her party in Alaska - remember!

your_neighbor  posted on  2009-12-06   13:49:58 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#131. To: your_neighbor (#130)

That two party fraud has been going on for 200 years - and you blame Sarah???

Blame Sarah? I merely pointed out that she is yet another marketing ploy to keep up the charade.......and it's very succcessful, jut read your comments. That speaks volumes as to what she is accomplishing. She sure is a pretty diversion and she doesn't have to speak truth on issues or offer substance, just piss off liberals and carry on with perception management for the true believers. Go Sarah!!

She quit or job in Alaska after the changes she made opened up ethics violation complaints against her. The fire got hot and Sarah fled. And she quit at such a convenient time, when she was facing economic shortfalls and wouldn't be able to funnel federal funds to her constituency. Oh, but it was all for the people. Quit your elected position, working for the people, to save the people from a ethics violations that came about from ineffective changes made at the executive level of Alaska government. Now the next Gov. is left to clean house.........all for the people!! Yeah, she really took on the establishment, like leaving Wasilla in debt for decades when she waltzed off to find higher political ground.

Hail Sarah. I know, these facts matter not to true believers who buy the story that she really made significant changes up in Alaska.

abraxas  posted on  2009-12-06   14:01:04 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#132. To: your_neighbor (#129)

The reporter was loyal to McCain and the Republican Party -- big deal.

I sure am not - neither is Sarah - good on her!

So as if it's not enough that Republicans of all shapes, sizes, and forms are becoming an endangered species, we have a Republican candidate who feels like she does not need to support the party she has accepted a position from, whenever she feels like not supporting the party.

As I don't particularly like Republicans, I second your "Good on Her!" statement.

What you've said, without realizing it, is that Palin will forever be a fringe candidate, who can't work with other people and build consensus, even among what should be her base, and who will just be a way for fringe voters to protest the system without ever being able to do anything about it.

The only thing Palin will unswervingly support will be Sarah Palin.

Sarah Palin - the "Up yours" non-candidate.

Good on her!

AGAviator  posted on  2009-12-06   14:18:28 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#133. To: abraxas (#131)

That two party fraud has been going on for 200 years - and you blame Sarah???

Blame Sarah? I merely pointed out that she is yet another marketing ploy to keep up the charade.......and it's very successful, jut read your comments. That speaks volumes as to what she is accomplishing.

Palin is NOT the pick of the established Republican Party. The Midwest and East Cost Republicans will support someone else – with a vengeance.

They would rather lose then support someone who would bring in Westerners that would displace them.

They hate and fear Sarah more then you do.

your_neighbor  posted on  2009-12-06   14:22:51 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#134. To: AGAviator (#132)

The only thing Palin will unswervingly support will be Sarah Palin.

That is not true - you miss judge her.

your_neighbor  posted on  2009-12-06   14:27:23 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#135. To: your_neighbor (#133)

Palin is NOT the pick of the established Republican Party

They hate and fear Sarah more then you do.

No, that would be marketing suicide at this time. Right? She is the "outsider" that all the disgruntled constituency can get behind. Boy does the disgruntled constituency need that. Why Sarah is like manna falling from the sky. lol Just like Obama and his liberal constituency. You true believers will be just as disappointed when the marketing image sold to you doesn't show up in reality, like Obama's core constituency is moaning today.

This is already true for Palin, but you people bury your heads in the sand and refuse to allow any information into your schema that doesn't fit with perception management. She has no substance, offers no salient solutions to any problem but you just love her anyway, especially because she upsets the liberals. You are being played like a fiddle with your emotions on your sleeve.

You are the one with all this emotion for Sarah Palin. I don't hate her. I see her for the marketing ploy that she is and, like I said, she is damn good at selling an image to a group of people desparate for an image that will give them hope again.

abraxas  posted on  2009-12-06   14:35:42 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#136. To: Cynicom (#105)

If Palin was picked as a throwaway it was a bad choice, republicans have turned on her as well as cons, indicating they see her as a threat, even tho she has zero qualifications for President as espoused by many. Someone erred in her choice.

I think Palin was chosen because the Republicans at the time realized they were already so far behind they had nothing to lose, so they wanted someone different to create some buzz and generate some excitement.

I think it was a "swing for the fences" move, and as often happens when you swing for the fences, you have a good chance of striking out.

The aftermath of this bad move is that Palin has become empowered as an individual to some extent, and since she is unable to work with other people and only look out for herself she will further weaken and divide the Republicans.

AGAviator  posted on  2009-12-06   14:37:05 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#137. To: AGAviator (#136)

The aftermath of this bad move is that Palin has become empowered as an individual to some extent, and since she is unable to work with other people and only look out for herself she will further weaken and divide the Republicans.

Good -- a shakeup is what the Republican party needs. The Repubican elite are worthless.

Go Sarah!

your_neighbor  posted on  2009-12-06   14:56:20 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#138. To: your_neighbor (#137) (Edited)

Good -- a shakeup is what the Republican party needs. The Repubican elite are worthless.

Go Sarah!

Leaders are able to persuade and change, rather than destroy.

What was one of Ronald Reagan's nicknames? "The Great Communicator."

Unlike Palin, Reagan had the ability to get people to see his perspective and change their own.

Sarah is a diva and a destroyer, not a leader.

Go Sarah!

AGAviator  posted on  2009-12-06   15:21:29 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#139. To: AGAviator (#138)

Currently the Republicans are pushing Romney – what a woos – he is the same old big money bullsh*ter that kneels to the Jewish – not only on foreign matters, but on domestic matters also.

The Republicans are going to run some Bush/Cheney lookalike (with zero chance of winning)!

Go Sarah!

p.s. If in two years, she still persists on the Jewish pro war agenda – then forget her!

your_neighbor  posted on  2009-12-06   15:52:44 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#140. To: your_neighbor (#139)

p.s. If in two years, she still persists on the Jewish pro war agenda – then forget her!

It will depend on who she is talking to at the time....

AGAviator  posted on  2009-12-06   16:07:55 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#141. To: AGAviator (#140)

It will depend on who she is talking to at the time....

Live to fight another day - do not fall on your sword!

your_neighbor  posted on  2009-12-06   16:50:14 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#142. To: your_neighbor (#134)

The only thing Palin will unswervingly support will be Sarah Palin. That is not true - you miss judge her.

Why else would she take a nomination for the 2nd highest office in the country from the party, leapfrogging over hundreds of other people with more experience and ability, then immediately afterwards go on a self-promoting book tour while criticizing her former benefactors.

AGAviator  posted on  2009-12-06   17:00:41 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#143. To: AGAviator (#142)

Why else would she take a nomination for the 2nd highest office in the country from the party, leapfrogging over hundreds of other people with more experience and ability, then immediately afterwards go on a self-promoting book tour while criticizing her former benefactors.

We need someone politically shrewd like that on our side.

Shed no tears for the Republican elite – they have been using us for far to long.

They used Sarah – but she came out on top --- good on her!

your_neighbor  posted on  2009-12-06   17:26:27 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#144. To: your_neighbor (#143)

They used Sarah – but she came out on top

You're dreaming.

She has not won anything.

Her only accomplishment is to get a lot of money for herself from gullible dupes.

Another Orly Taitz.

AGAviator  posted on  2009-12-06   18:07:57 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#145. To: abraxas (#77)

Notice the complete omission of substance regarding her position, a mantra is repeated over and over with no logic or reasoning or insight....and this stance is as firm today as it was when she was campaigning with McCain.

Change the gender and the names and you have buckwheat. As much as Palin was disliked, that many and more were drooling over the empty-suited person we now have as the POTUS. Wonder how many who voted for HIM have come to terms with what lack of experience, knowledge and intellect got them?

Phant2000  posted on  2009-12-06   20:10:16 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#146. To: Phant2000 (#145)

Wonder how many who voted for HIM have come to terms with what lack of experience, knowledge and intellect got them?

Obama, like Palin, is a PR dream. He's an image manufactured to meet an objective. Oh, but how the lefties are whining now!! The college profs were so giddy about the new POTUS are feeling so much buyers remorse. Hate to say it, but I told them so. I rarely hear people yap about his intellect or knowledge these days, with the exception of Tingley Leg Mathews. Code Pink and the anti war crowd are ready to hunt him down with pitchforks.

Of course, any candidate with real substance was marginalized and told that they couldn't win because we don't want people to consider substance over fantastic PR creations.

At this point Palin doesn't care about the dislike just so long as she is getting coverage. She can throw out the victim card and blame the lefties or the MSM and her true believers gobble it up like candy.

Let us get this straight. We're going to pass a health care plan written by a committee whose head says he doesn't understand it, passed by a Congress that hasn't read it but exempts themselves from it, signed by a president that also hasn't read it and who smokes, with funding administered by a treasury chief who didn't pay his taxes, overseen by a surgeon general who is obese, and financed by a country that's nearly broke. What could possibly go wrong?

abraxas  posted on  2009-12-06   20:21:08 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#147. To: abraxas (#146)

We're going to pass a health care plan written by a committee whose head says he doesn't understand it, passed by a Congress that hasn't read it but exempts themselves from it, signed by a president that also hasn't read it and who smokes, with funding administered by a treasury chief who didn't pay his taxes, overseen by a surgeon general who is obese, and financed by a country that's nearly broke. What could possibly go wrong?

Good statement, abraxas.

Unfortunately, there is still more to come. It distresses me to see so many see so little.

Phant2000  posted on  2009-12-06   20:26:43 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#148. To: Phant2000 (#147)

Good statement, abraxas.

That's my new tag line.....my friend sent it to me in an e-mail. Maybe I need to change the color and make the font smaller, eh? : )

Let us get this straight. We're going to pass a health care plan written by a committee whose head says he doesn't understand it, passed by a Congress that hasn't read it but exempts themselves from it, signed by a president that also hasn't read it and who smokes, with funding administered by a treasury chief who didn't pay his taxes, overseen by a surgeon general who is obese, and financed by a country that's nearly broke. What could possibly go wrong?

abraxas  posted on  2009-12-06   20:28:19 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#149. To: abraxas (#146)

At this point Palin doesn't care about the dislike just so long as she is getting coverage. She can throw out the victim card and blame the lefties or the MSM and her true believers gobble it up like candy.

Yup.

The first rule of publicity hounds is "There is no such thing as bad publicity."

Sarah Palin is the Kim Kardashaian of politics!

AGAviator  posted on  2009-12-06   21:54:02 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#150. To: your_neighbor (#78)

who went to 6 collages in five years,

There's a red flag right there. Did she graduate from any of them?

During times of universal deceit, telling the truth becomes a revolutionary act.

Bill D Berger  posted on  2009-12-07   10:03:48 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#151. To: abraxas (#148)

Maybe I need to change the color and make the font smaller, eh? : )

yes ;) so we can distinguish it from your comments.

christine  posted on  2009-12-07   10:38:09 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#152. To: Phant2000 (#145) (Edited)

Change the gender and the names and you have buckwheat. As much as Palin was disliked, that many and more were drooling over the empty-suited person we now have as the POTUS. Wonder how many who voted for HIM have come to terms with what lack of experience, knowledge and intellect got them?

Either the GOP steps up to the plate or we need a true third party that's not a poor imitation of the one in office now. The lesser of two evils unconstitutionalists got us the Bushs and then Obama. We have been played like fiddles by both sides and need to drop the need for a Messiah baby sitter and get to work. Men are not gods.

mininggold  posted on  2009-12-07   11:05:10 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#153. To: christine (#151)

Christine -- is there a printout of how to use HTML or whatever to modify our posts - thanks!

your_neighbor  posted on  2009-12-07   19:25:26 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#154. To: Bill D Berger (#150) (Edited)

who went to 6 collages in five years,

There's a red flag right there. Did she graduate from any of them?

The same things were said about Reagan - "not to bright".

Whatever the case, she does seem to be one savvy politician.

She seems to make the right political moves – quitting the governorship was pure genius.

It got a political target off her back, made her rich, and got her 150 posts on our Freedom4um – what more can you ask for?

your_neighbor  posted on  2009-12-07   19:35:34 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#155. To: your_neighbor (#154)

She seems to make the right political moves – quitting the governorship was pure genius.

lol.....quitting your elected position prior to completing your term is such a great selling point on resume.

Run, Sarah, the fire is too hot, the criticism too much (even if you did call the media again and again), the budget shortfalls are mounting by the day. Even if you quit, your true believers will call it "genius" and even if you put the interests of Israel before the interests of American, that too will be okie dokie with your true believers. : )

Let us get this straight. We're going to pass a health care plan written by a committee whose head says he doesn't understand it, passed by a Congress that hasn't read it but exempts themselves from it, signed by a president that also hasn't read it and who smokes, with funding administered by a treasury chief who didn't pay his taxes, overseen by a surgeon general who is obese, and financed by a country that's nearly broke. What could possibly go wrong?

abraxas  posted on  2009-12-07   19:48:03 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#156. To: your_neighbor (#153)

none specific to 4um, but here's a html tags chart

hope that helps.

christine  posted on  2009-12-07   20:04:50 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#157. To: christine, your_neighbor, all (#156)

HTML Sandbox

HTML Sandbox 2008

MERRY CHRISTMAS


"The trouble with people is not that they don't know but that they know so much that ain't so." ~ Josh Billings

wudidiz  posted on  2009-12-07   20:10:09 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#158. To: wudidiz (#157)

i remember those from FR. great pages. thanks, wud.

christine  posted on  2009-12-07   20:14:51 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#159. To: Cynicom (#118)

Sarah is trying to ride the tiger's back without being eaten or bagged by left wing hunters aiming scopes to send rhetorical bullets at her from the political helicopters the Daily KOS, DU and other blog/forum entities are.

She would be smarter to remain aloft from the frey and let others mount up that beastie. Bottom line. ;-)


Ferret Mike  posted on  2009-12-07   20:16:09 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#160. To: christine (#158)

You're welcome. :-)

MERRY CHRISTMAS


"The trouble with people is not that they don't know but that they know so much that ain't so." ~ Josh Billings

wudidiz  posted on  2009-12-07   20:20:15 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#161. To: christine, Ferret Mike (#159)

Ferret is back and he has posted a photo of two asswipes on your forum.

TRAITORS TO AMERICA SUPPORT AND DEFEND ISRAEL. TO HELL WITH ZIONISTS AND THIER AMERICAN FRONTS: AIPAC/PNAC/ADL/JPCA/NAACP/CFR/FEDERAL RESERVE/NWO/SPLC/JINSA/ACLU/FPI/CHRISTIAN ZIONISTS/AEI/FEDERAL MEDIA/HOLLYWOOD, et. al.

wbales  posted on  2009-12-07   20:22:19 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#162. To: wbales (#161)

Heh, not only that, he forgot that was his signature, he did. Don't worry precious, I am going to replace it with a smalleer diddy. But, hey thanks for sharing.

(Pssst.... I am authorized to be here. Good to see you too. And in a Christmaslike mood no less. ;-)


Ferret Mike  posted on  2009-12-07   21:22:11 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#163. To: Ferret Mike (#162)

Just kidding...welcome back.

TRAITORS TO AMERICA SUPPORT AND DEFEND ISRAEL. TO HELL WITH ZIONISTS AND THIER AMERICAN FRONTS: AIPAC/PNAC/ADL/JPCA/NAACP/CFR/FEDERAL RESERVE/NWO/SPLC/JINSA/ACLU/FPI/CHRISTIAN ZIONISTS/AEI/FEDERAL MEDIA/HOLLYWOOD, et. al.

wbales  posted on  2009-12-07   21:41:45 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#164. To: christine, wdidiz (#156)

Thank You Both!

your_neighbor  posted on  2009-12-07   21:45:32 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  



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