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Title: Palin says questioning Obama’s birth certificate legit
Source: [None]
URL Source: http://rawstory.com/2009/12/palin-questioning-obama/
Published: Dec 5, 2009
Author: Raw Story
Post Date: 2009-12-05 14:21:59 by wudidiz
Keywords: None
Views: 1472
Comments: 183

Palin says questioning Obama’s birth certificate legit

By Raw Story
Friday, December 4th, 2009 -- 8:32 am

Update at bottom: Palin backtracks -- partly -- in Facebook posting

In a radio appearance Thursday, former Alaska governor and GOP vice presidential nominee Sarah Palin said questions about President Obama's birth certificate -- a spurious attempt to argue that he's not a US citizen and thus ineligible for President -- are fair game for debate.

Transcript and video follows.

HUMPHRIES: Sarah Palin here on the Rusty Humphries Show. One of the questions Jason asks is would you make the birth certificate an issue if you ran?

PALIN: I think the public rightly is still making it an issue. I don’t have a problem with that. I don’t know if I would have to bother to make it an issue because I think there are enough members of the electorate that still want answers.

HUMPHRIES: Do you think it’s a fair question to be looking at?

PALIN: I think it’s a fair question just like I think past associations and past voting records. All of that is fair game. You know, I’ve got to tell you too, I think our campaign, the McCain-Palin campaign didn’t do a good enough job in that area. We didn’t call out Obama and some of his associates on their records and what their beliefs were, and perhaps what their future plans were, and I don’t think that was fair to voters to not have done our job as candidates and a campaign to bring to light a lot of things that now we’re seeing manifest in the administration.

HUMPHRIES: I mean, truly if your past is fair game and your kids are fair game, certainly Obama’s past should be. I mean, we want to treat men and women equally, right?

PALIN: Hey, you know, that’s a great point. And that weird conspiracy theory freaky thing that people talk about that Trig isn’t my real son, and a lot of people that went "Well, you need to produce his birth certificate, you need to prove that he’s your kid," which we have done, but yeah, so maybe we can reverse that, and use the same [inaudible] thinking on the other one.

UPDATE

Following her radio interview comments about Obama's birth certificate, Sarah Palin backtracked -- partly -- in a posting to her Facebook page late Wednesday night.

"At no point ... have I asked the president to produce his birth certificate or suggested that he was not born in the United States," Palin wrote in a posting she titled "Stupid conspiracies."

The full statement reads:

Voters have every right to ask candidates for information if they so choose. I’ve pointed out that it was seemingly fair game during the 2008 election for many on the left to badger my doctor and lawyer for proof that Trig is in fact my child. Conspiracy-minded reporters and voters had a right to ask... which they have repeatedly. But at no point – not during the campaign, and not during recent interviews – have I asked the president to produce his birth certificate or suggested that he was not born in the United States.

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#1. To: wudidiz, christine, Cynicom, HOUNDDAWG, Prefrontal Vortex, Original_Intent (#0)

Palin is a useful tool. To question Obama's eligibility is now even further marginalized. So close on the new 'surge', it's a little too coincidental.

Eff the Bankers

bluegrass  posted on  2009-12-05   14:26:59 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#2. To: wudidiz (#0)

Saint Sarah knows all the best PR move to rally her constituency. She's the plain folks' heroine who knows how to bring more people onto her bandwagon.

abraxas  posted on  2009-12-05   14:27:49 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#3. To: bluegrass (#1)

it's a little too coincidental.

Well, to be fair, we haven't been living in the land of opportunity for a long time, for several decades this has been, at best, the land of coincidences.

abraxas  posted on  2009-12-05   14:29:06 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#4. To: abraxas (#2)

I hope you're being sarcastic.

Eff the Bankers

bluegrass  posted on  2009-12-05   14:33:44 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#5. To: bluegrass (#4)

lol.......she's a PR campaign dream and all of her constituency believes her to be exactly what she's been marketed as: a plain folks' herione. Presenting this image to the true believers is so easy to reinforce and the true believers will never once question the marketing strategies that manipulate their emotional response to Saint Sarah.

abraxas  posted on  2009-12-05   14:38:02 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#6. To: wudidiz (#0)

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Eric Stratton  posted on  2009-12-05   14:44:04 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#7. To: abraxas (#5)

Whew. I thought you got zombified for a second.

Eff the Bankers

bluegrass  posted on  2009-12-05   14:50:39 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#8. To: All (#0)

Oh for Christ sake. Now you're going to attract the OCDs that have spend months and months in the mire that is Orly's legal swamp. The Kenyan isn't called the Kenyan because he was born in Iowa. The legal nerds on the net can post all the unreadable articles they care to and nobody is going to change their mind. The bottom line is Obama will remain president regardless of where he was born because any attempt to remove him would ignite the Mother of all race wars.

Click Me

Jethro Tull  posted on  2009-12-05   15:09:09 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#9. To: Jethro Tull, bluegrass, wudidiz (#0)

I hope your not talkin bad about my milf Palin.

Shes gonna save us from the evel Irans that hates us our freeedums an wipe Isreel offa map. Then kiss my peenee.

your stoopid an a fag.

AKA Esso

Godfrey Smith: Mike, I wouldn't worry. Prosperity is just around the corner.
Mike Flaherty: Yeah, it's been there a long time. I wish I knew which corner.
My Man Godfrey (1936)

Esso  posted on  2009-12-05   15:16:53 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#10. To: Esso (#9)

Click Me

Jethro Tull  posted on  2009-12-05   15:22:05 ET  (1 image) Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#11. To: Jethro Tull (#10) (Edited)

RedX= witch proves your a muzzy an hate America.

Godfrey Smith: Mike, I wouldn't worry. Prosperity is just around the corner.
Mike Flaherty: Yeah, it's been there a long time. I wish I knew which corner.
My Man Godfrey (1936)

Esso  posted on  2009-12-05   15:29:27 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#12. To: bluegrass (#1)

Palin is a useful tool.

I'm lovin' it.™

Avoiding foreign entanglements is the best domestic policy.

Prefrontal Vortex  posted on  2009-12-05   16:23:58 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#13. To: Jethro Tull (#8)

Mother of all race wars.

White Motherhood is racist and must be abolished.

Avoiding foreign entanglements is the best domestic policy.

Prefrontal Vortex  posted on  2009-12-05   16:26:29 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#14. To: Esso (#9)


"The trouble with people is not that they don't know but that they know so much that ain't so." ~ Josh Billings

wudidiz  posted on  2009-12-05   16:29:47 ET  (1 image) Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#15. To: abraxas (#5)

Presenting this image to the true believers is so easy to reinforce and the true believers will never once question the marketing strategies that manipulate their emotional response to Saint Sarah.

The articulate among her critics on the left don't care that the emotional responses of her fans are being used to manipulate her fans. They simply hate her fans.

They care that her fans have an emotional response to her that is not negative.

On the flipside: Are the less articulate who have a negative emotional response to her also being manipulated?

Avoiding foreign entanglements is the best domestic policy.

Prefrontal Vortex  posted on  2009-12-05   16:35:15 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#16. To: Prefrontal Vortex (#15)

Are the less articulate who have a negative emotional response to her also being manipulated?

Yes. Like any other pseudopolitical media creation, she's used as a means to divide a certain population so it can be more easily manipulated. Palin's marketing is a wide but shallow footprint.

Eff the Bankers

bluegrass  posted on  2009-12-05   16:43:52 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#17. To: Esso, Orly, All (#11)

Click Me

Jethro Tull  posted on  2009-12-05   16:48:42 ET  (1 image) Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#18. To: bluegrass (#16)

In that sense I absolutely love both Obama and Palin.

Avoiding foreign entanglements is the best domestic policy.

Prefrontal Vortex  posted on  2009-12-05   17:06:12 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#19. To: Prefrontal Vortex (#18)

Obama's got it down to an art, being the good Alinsky pupil that he is. Palin's got handlers that do her dividing and conquering for her.

Eff the Bankers

bluegrass  posted on  2009-12-05   17:23:45 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#20. To: wudidiz (#0)

I think our campaign, the McCain-Palin campaign didn’t do a good enough job in that area. We didn’t call out Obama and some of his associates on their records and what their beliefs were, and perhaps what their future plans were, and I don’t think that was fair to voters to not have done our job as candidates and a campaign to bring to light a lot of things that now we’re seeing manifest in the administration.

The whole political establishment was ballless in 2008.

Obama lied throughout the campaign - and no one laid a glove on him but Palin.

I see no one other then Palin, who will tackle the Jewish machine that put Obama in office.

Go Sarah!

your_neighbor  posted on  2009-12-05   18:45:17 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#21. To: Prefrontal Vortex (#15)

On the flipside: Are the less articulate who have a negative emotional response to her also being manipulated?

Of course, the marketing keeps the two party fraud alive doesn't it? Pits the camps against one another, ensuring that the perception of only two options thrives.

By "articulate among her critics on the left" you mean the true blue believers as apposed to the true red believers. I disagree that they hate her fans, what they hate is an opposing ideology, that's what true blue believers do, especially those who are paid for being true blue believers.

abraxas  posted on  2009-12-05   18:54:52 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#22. To: your_neighbor (#20)

I see no one other then Palin, who will tackle the Jewish machine that put Obama in office.

They own her too.


"The trouble with people is not that they don't know but that they know so much that ain't so." ~ Josh Billings

wudidiz  posted on  2009-12-05   19:25:00 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#23. To: your_neighbor (#20)

The whole political establishment was ballless in 2008.

psssst ... it's a rigged game. No shit, it really is rigged, I wouldn't lie !

Doing what's right isn't always easy but it's always right.

noone222  posted on  2009-12-05   19:31:12 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#24. To: your_neighbor (#20)

I see no one other then Palin, who will tackle the Jewish machine that put Obama in office.

psssst ... Sarah's a zionist.

Doing what's right isn't always easy but it's always right.

noone222  posted on  2009-12-05   19:32:03 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#25. To: Jethro Tull (#8)

The bottom line is Obama will remain president regardless of where he was born because any attempt to remove him would ignite the Mother of all race wars.

Which is exactly why he will be removed. The elite want race wars. Any kind of war that isn't directed their way they approve of.

God is always good!

RickyJ  posted on  2009-12-05   20:19:08 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#26. To: wudidiz (#22)

I see no one other then Palin, who will tackle the Jewish machine that put Obama in office.

They own her too.

They own ALL politicians. With Palin though I think her connection goes deeper. I think she has Jewish blood in her. But I wouldn't hold that against her, lots of people have some Jewish blood in them.

God is always good!

RickyJ  posted on  2009-12-05   20:24:51 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#27. To: RickyJ (#25)

The elite want race wars.

So we all get to use all these toys we collect?

Klick the Khristmas Kat

Jethro Tull  posted on  2009-12-05   20:25:55 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#28. To: wudidiz (#0)

Palin just made Trig's birth certificate a legitimate issue (and she lied, she never provided proof that Trig was her son).

Go65  posted on  2009-12-05   20:31:48 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#29. To: wudidiz (#22)

I see no one other then Palin, who will tackle the Jewish machine that put Obama in office.

They own her too.

Then why is she attacking thier boy?

your_neighbor  posted on  2009-12-05   20:45:10 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#30. To: Go65 (#28) (Edited)

Palin just made Trig's birth certificate a legitimate issue

GOOD CHRIST! Is he running for president now???

Well, I guess if the citizenship thingy doesn't matter anymore, why should the age thingy?

Godfrey Smith: Mike, I wouldn't worry. Prosperity is just around the corner.
Mike Flaherty: Yeah, it's been there a long time. I wish I knew which corner.
My Man Godfrey (1936)

Esso  posted on  2009-12-05   20:50:48 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#31. To: your_neighbor (#29)

Then why is she attacking thier boy?

All part of the charade, I guess.


"The trouble with people is not that they don't know but that they know so much that ain't so." ~ Josh Billings

wudidiz  posted on  2009-12-05   20:54:33 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#32. To: RickyJ (#26)

I think she has Jewish blood in her. But I wouldn't hold that against her, lots of people have some Jewish blood in them.

You think she is a Jewish -- really????

your_neighbor  posted on  2009-12-05   21:08:06 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#33. To: wudidiz (#31)

Then why is she attacking thier boy?

All part of the charade, I guess.

So is it good that she is attacking Obama - or bad??

It does seem to matter.

your_neighbor  posted on  2009-12-05   21:10:57 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#34. To: Esso (#30)

hahahaha. funny ;P

christine  posted on  2009-12-05   21:14:49 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#35. To: your_neighbor (#29)

Then why is she attacking thier boy?

Brownie points from the base.

abraxas  posted on  2009-12-05   21:18:53 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#36. To: Esso (#30)

GOOD CHRIST! Is he running for president now???

Maybe he will be the first truly Jewish president --- some here say his mother is a Jew.

p.s. Careful now - putting GOOD & CHRIST together like that is offensive to the Jewish.

your_neighbor  posted on  2009-12-05   21:19:45 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#37. To: Jethro Tull (#17)

Like Sarah - the gate crasher lady must be Jewish.

your_neighbor  posted on  2009-12-05   21:30:23 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#38. To: your_neighbor (#36)

some here say his mother is a Jew.

Yes, that's an established fact.

Super Milf Sarah's family tree has no branches.

Godfrey Smith: Mike, I wouldn't worry. Prosperity is just around the corner.
Mike Flaherty: Yeah, it's been there a long time. I wish I knew which corner.
My Man Godfrey (1936)

Esso  posted on  2009-12-05   21:45:40 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#39. To: your_neighbor (#33)

It does seem to matter.

To who? It's a diversion that gets her base giddy. It's a diversion that gets her opposition frothing at the mouth. It's a dog and pony show. It's not as if this issue will go anywhere....lol. And it's not as if there isn't a mountain of salient issues Saint Sarah could address, although without the same giddy and frothy responses from the overly emotional true believers.

abraxas  posted on  2009-12-05   21:51:10 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#40. To: noone222 (#24)

psssst ... Sarah's a zionist.

My thinks that the Jews have America so fucked up that we are eating our own.

your_neighbor  posted on  2009-12-05   22:02:46 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#41. To: your_neighbor (#33)

So is it good that she is attacking Obama - or bad??

It does seem to matter.

I guess it sounds good for those that like her and don't like Obama.


"The trouble with people is not that they don't know but that they know so much that ain't so." ~ Josh Billings

wudidiz  posted on  2009-12-05   22:07:54 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#42. To: abraxas (#39)

It does seem to matter.

To who? It's a diversion that gets her base giddy.

Hmm?

What about her ‘Boycott Copenhagen’ because of ‘Climategate’ remarks?

What about her “death panel” remarks?

Do these matter to more then her base?

Were they not of value?

your_neighbor  posted on  2009-12-05   22:14:34 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#43. To: your_neighbor (#42) (Edited)

What about her ‘Boycott Copenhagen’ because of ‘Climategate’ remarks?

What about her “death panel” remarks?

Do these matter to more then her base?

Were they not of value?

All of these statements matter to the same two camps: her true believing base and her frothing at the mouth opposition. Were these statement of value to those outside the true believer camps? I don't think so.

Do you really think it mattered an iota to your average independent or libertarian?

The way Palin makes her statements is taken directly from Edward Bernays' playbook. He was the father of public relations (coined the term because people felt a negative connotation for propaganda) He new that you sold issues and people and anything under the sun, not with logic but with emotion.

Every statement Saint Sarah makes must contain loaded words. She can't open her mouth without them. IMO, you are making the mistake of allowing an emotional response to what she says without consideration of the content or intent. But, that's how she gets so much media attention, that's how she gets the base giddy, that's how she gets her opposition frothing--it's really quite a PR circus if you step back and evaluate what people say about her and what Saint Sarah says to attain the desired response.

abraxas  posted on  2009-12-05   22:27:09 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#44. To: wudidiz (#41)

So is it good that she is attacking Obama - or bad??

It does seem to matter.

I guess it sounds good for those that like her and don't like Obama.

Palin is being accused of JUST stirring the pot – WELL what is wrong with that.

I personally think that she is unsure and uneducated on many subjects – but being unsure is not the same as being stupid.

Is she 100% ready for primetime – NO but she may be learning.

Sarah has two years to get up to speed – time will tell.

your_neighbor  posted on  2009-12-05   22:30:59 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#45. To: your_neighbor (#44)

Is she 100% ready for primetime – NO but she may be learning.

Sarah has two years to get up to speed – time will tell.

Palin is a media ho, and as superfical and just plain dumb as you can get.

She cannot work with and manage people, which is an absolute necessity for leadership and consensus-building.

She will make a lot of noise and a lot of money for herself until people get tired of her after one too many gaffes, but she will go nowhere.

"By your sword you shall live, and your brother you shall serve. But when you become restive, you will cast his yoke from off your neck." Genesis 27:40

AGAviator  posted on  2009-12-05   22:43:15 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#46. To: AGAviator (#45)

Palin is a media ho, and as superfical and just plain dumb as you can get.

Your biased personal opinion, or based on something the rest of us have not read or seen?

Cynicom  posted on  2009-12-05   22:46:04 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#47. To: Cynicom, all (#46)

Sarah Palin is--

Assertion: Assertion is commonly used in advertising and modern propaganda. An assertion is an enthusiastic or energetic statement presented as a fact, although it is not necessarily true. They often imply that the statement requires no explanation or back up, but that it should merely be accepted without question.

Bandwagon: When confronted with bandwagon propaganda, we should weigh the pros and cons of joining in independently from the amount of people who have already joined, and, as with most types of propaganda, we should seek more information.

Card stacking: Card stacking, or selective omission, is one of the seven techniques identified by the IPA, or Institute for Propaganda Analysis. It involves only presenting information that is positive to an idea or proposal and omitting information contrary to it. Card stacking is used in almost all forms of propaganda, and is extremely effective in convincing the public. Although the majority of information presented by the card stacking approach is true, it is dangerous because it omits important information. The best way to deal with card stacking is to get more information.

Glittering Generalities: Glittering generalities are words that have different positive meaning for individual subjects, but are linked to highly valued concepts. When these words are used, they demand approval without thinking, simply because such an important concept is involved. For example, when a person is asked to do something in "defense of democracy" they are more likely to agree. The concept of democracy has a positive connotation to them because it is linked to a concept that they value. Words often used as glittering generalities are honor, glory, love of country, and especially in the United States, freedom. When coming across with glittering generalities, we should especially consider the merits of the idea itself when separated from specific words.

Pinpointing the Enemy: Pinpointing the enemy is used extremely often during wartime, and also in political campaigns and debates. This is an attempt to simplify a complex situation by presenting one specific group or person as the enemy. Although there may be other factors involved the subject is urged to simply view the situation in terms of clear-cut right and wrong. When coming in contact with this technique, the subject should attempt to consider all other factors tied into the situation.

Plain Folks: The plain folks device is an attempt by the propagandist to convince the public that his views reflect those of the common person and that they are also working for the benefit of the common person. The propagandist will often attempt to use the accent of a specific audience as well as using specific idioms or jokes. Also, the propagandist, especially during speeches, may attempt to increase the illusion through imperfect pronunciation, stuttering, and a more limited vocabulary. Errors such as these help add to the impression of sincerity and spontaneity. This technique is usually most effective when used with glittering generalities, in an attempt to convince the public that the propagandist views about highly valued ideas are similar to their own and therefore more valid. When confronted by this type of propaganda, the subject should consider the proposals and ideas separately from the personality of the presenter.

Please note the remedy for each type of propaganda that is presented within the public relations phenomenon Sarah Palin.

abraxas  posted on  2009-12-05   22:58:12 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#48. To: abraxas (#47)

I have been looking for the name of the person that picked Palin out of the crowd and why?????

Most would agree she did not pick herself, so there has to be someone out there that did..

McKooK accepted her but who picked her?

Cynicom  posted on  2009-12-05   23:03:58 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#49. To: Cynicom (#46) (Edited)

Palin is a media ho, and as superfical and just plain dumb as you can get. Your biased personal opinion, or based on something the rest of us have not read or seen?

What really made me take notice was her preening for the TV cameras while turkeys were being slaughtered right in back of her, and her being so oblivious and stupid to what was going on around her that she didn't even try to set the scene up so those things wouldn't find their way into the pictures.

Sarah Palin's Thanksgiving Turkey Massacre

"By your sword you shall live, and your brother you shall serve. But when you become restive, you will cast his yoke from off your neck." Genesis 27:40

AGAviator  posted on  2009-12-05   23:06:01 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#50. To: AGAviator (#49)

What really made me take notice was her preening for the TV cameras

Okay...

So any guess who and why she was picked????

Surely in person the person picking her must have sensed the negative traits.

Cynicom  posted on  2009-12-05   23:07:55 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#51. To: Cynicom (#48)

I have been looking for the name of the person that picked Palin out of the crowd and why?????

Most would agree she did not pick herself, so there has to be someone out there that did..

McKooK accepted her but who picked her?

Good questions, cyni. I'm not sure who picked her. Yet, I am certain she was chosen for specific reasons and has been packaged to meet those objectives.

Here's a quote to consider:

“The conscious and intelligent manipulation of the organized habits and opinions of the [public] is an important element in democratic society. Those who manipulate this unseen mechanism of society constitute an invisible government which is the true ruling power of our country.” –Edward Bernays

This from the father of public relations.

I do know that she makes a lovely diversion and a PR dream.

abraxas  posted on  2009-12-05   23:10:05 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#52. To: Cynicom (#46)

Your biased personal opinion, or based on something the rest of us have not read or seen?

O'Reilly preening, and oohing and aahhing all over her every weekday is all I have to know. There is never a day on his show without a Palin segment usually about how someone dared to diss her highness. She's a true marketing marvel.

mininggold  posted on  2009-12-05   23:11:53 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#53. To: Cynicom (#50) (Edited)

Surely in person the person picking her must have sensed the negative traits.

Negative traits don't really matter when you are creating perception management, Cyni. What matters most is how well the person or product fits into the desires and wants of a specific group of people.

Consider for a moment, the perception management in relation to Obama. The negative traits, such as lack of experience, questionable voting record and alliances (to name just a few) didn't matter at all. No negative traits will deter his true believers and the same is true for Saint Sarah.

abraxas  posted on  2009-12-05   23:12:03 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#54. To: Cynicom (#50)

So any guess who and why she was picked????

The conservative base is dwindling, and the number of conservative males who haven't been caught in a sex or money scandal is too, so they tried to wing it and get a mediocre telegenic broad who would hopefully create some buzz and counter Obama's charisma.

But she's too stupid and superficial to govern anything of any substance. Most of her claims about her accomplishments in Alaska are BS, including selling the jet airplane and not OKing the Bridge to Nowhere.

"By your sword you shall live, and your brother you shall serve. But when you become restive, you will cast his yoke from off your neck." Genesis 27:40

AGAviator  posted on  2009-12-05   23:13:26 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#55. To: abraxas (#51)

I'm not sure who picked her. Yet, I am certain she was chosen for specific reasons and has been packaged to meet those objectives.

It's probably the same person who picked the Bush's and Bob Dole.

mininggold  posted on  2009-12-05   23:14:36 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#56. To: abraxas (#51) (Edited)

I'm not sure who picked her

I am long in the tooth and Palin is the first VP candidate that to my knowledge has been demeaned by the entire political spectrum, and I cannot explain it.

She is disliked equally by pubs, dems, libs, cons, everyone with an opinion.

Even when olde Alben Barkley ran as VP, there were a few that liked him.

Palin for some reason sets off the hate button in all shades of politics, really odd.

Cynicom  posted on  2009-12-05   23:15:17 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#57. To: Cynicom (#56)

I am long in the tooth and Palin is the first VP candidate that to my knowledge has been demeaned by the entire political spectrum, and I cannot explain it.

She is disliked equally by pus, dems, iibs, cons, everyone with an opinion

You have no memory of Dan Quayle?

abraxas  posted on  2009-12-05   23:17:17 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#58. To: Cynicom (#56)

Geraldine Ferraro took a beating.

abraxas  posted on  2009-12-05   23:18:24 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#59. To: abraxas (#57)

You have no memory of Dan Quayle?

Quayle was not bombed by everyone, nothing like Palin.

Cynicom  posted on  2009-12-05   23:19:16 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#60. To: All (#54) (Edited)

"By your sword you shall live, and your brother you shall serve. But when you become restive, you will cast his yoke from off your neck." Genesis 27:40

AGAviator  posted on  2009-12-05   23:19:35 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#61. To: AGAviator (#60)

Gaffes????

Quayle had potatoe and Biden had FDR on nationwide TV in 1929. Obama had 57 states. They all do it.

Cynicom  posted on  2009-12-05   23:24:58 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#62. To: Cynicom (#59)

Quayle was not bombed by everyone, nothing like Palin.

Quayle also campaigned at a time when we did not have media consolidation down to a handful of people. There were regulations in place at that time. Today, our mainstream media is nothing but a propaganda machine, hence omission of any salient issues and a love/hate dichotemy that people actually think is meaningful because they are emotionally invested.

abraxas  posted on  2009-12-05   23:28:42 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#63. To: Cynicom (#61) (Edited)

Gaffes????

Quayle had potatoe

Well, comparing her to Dan Quayle is not a bad start. At least you're headed in the right direction.

Now do you see any credibility problems with her being a "Family Values" person with the trailer trash of relatives and unmarried family connections she has around her?

"By your sword you shall live, and your brother you shall serve. But when you become restive, you will cast his yoke from off your neck." Genesis 27:40

AGAviator  posted on  2009-12-05   23:29:00 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#64. To: AGAviator (#63)

Now do you see any credibility problems with her being a "Family Values" person with the trailer trash of relatives and unmarried family connections she has around her?

Not at all.

I am not responsible for my trailer trash family or friends.

Everyone likes to keep their closet door tightly shut. Everyone.

I never met anyone that didnt.

Lets check the past...

FDR had several lady friends over a period of many years.

Truman was as squeaky clean as the come.

Ike was known the world over for having a mistress all during WW2, both were married.

Kennedy, you must be old enough to know his background. He was even recorded in bed with a female German spy by the FBI during WW2.

Johnson said he bedded over a 1000 women, and he became a multi millionaire by being a politician.

Nixon was a breakin artist.

Ford was not responsible.

Carter was a decent man, just couldnt seem to find the handle.

You must know the followers.

Cynicom  posted on  2009-12-05   23:38:34 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#65. To: Cynicom (#64)

Of all the people you mention, little was publicly known about their behavior before they got elected.

Part of being electable - still - is being PR savvy enough to suppress or at least do damage control on, say, the unmarried stud who knocks up your daughter and then poses for Playboy.

AGAviator  posted on  2009-12-05   23:44:26 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#66. To: Cynicom (#56)

Palin for some reason sets off the hate button in all shades of politics, really odd.

Some may hate her but not all do. I dislike her because I detect her as being a hypocrite and a real phony. I do not sense any honor or integrity in this female at all. True, she is pretty attractive which was why she was picked. And the best way to fool the masses is to use the art of attraction to deceive and hoodwink them. Many are falling right into her baittrap. But not me!

purplerose  posted on  2009-12-05   23:52:22 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#67. To: abraxas (#43)

The way Palin makes her statements is taken directly from Edward Bernays' playbook. He was the father of public relations (coined the term because people felt a negative connotation for propaganda) He new that you sold issues and people and anything under the sun, not with logic but with emotion.

So Palin is guilty of throwing red meat to the lions – oh NO not that!

The problem for her opponents is that what she throws sticks to the ribs!

There is truth to what she says – the other side is lying when it says there will be no death panels – when they say climate change is going to raise the sea levels ten feet – when they say Obama is a legitimate middle of the road American.

Some of all of this is sticking to America’s ribs.

NO one else is saying these things with the same effect --- Thank you Sarah!

your_neighbor  posted on  2009-12-05   23:54:43 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#68. To: your_neighbor (#67) (Edited)

There is truth to what she says – the other side is lying when it says there will be no death panels – when they say climate change is going to raise the sea levels ten feet – when they say Obama is a legitimate middle of the road American.

Your statements just show how out of touch you people are.

There is going to be change. The earth will change, along with the people inhabiting it. There will be more changes that are going to become more radical and more accelerated as time goes on.

The people who most resist change, who think that someone like Mommy Palin will protect them from needing to adapt, are going to get swept away by it.

AGAviator  posted on  2009-12-06   0:06:52 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#69. To: AGAviator (#63)

Now do you see any credibility problems with her being a "Family Values" person with the trailer trash of relatives and unmarried family connections she has around her?

Oh YA -- you got that right - only trailer trash has five kids (one of them born a retard too - ha ha)!

Gloria Steinem could not have said it better!

your_neighbor  posted on  2009-12-06   0:08:59 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#70. To: AGAviator (#68)

The people who most resist change, who think that someone like Mommy Palin will protect them from needing to adapt, are going to get swept away by it.

You are talking about the Jewish - right!

your_neighbor  posted on  2009-12-06   0:12:51 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#71. To: your_neighbor (#70) (Edited)

Now that you mention it, there is quite a lot of resistance to doing things differently surrounding that enclave and the people who support it.

But I find it quite telling that the best the conservatives can do for leadership in these tumultuous times is a superficial, 40ish female who bounced around between 5 different colleges in 6 years when she was younger.

AGAviator  posted on  2009-12-06   0:21:49 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#72. To: your_neighbor (#69) (Edited)

Oh YA -- you got that right - only trailer trash has five kids (one of them born a retard too - ha ha)!

No, only those who run for some public office and tell American teenage children to abstain from sex, and yet one of her own teenage children gets knocked up while just a baby herself, has no job or means to support that child. Mommy Sarah Palin will take care of helping to raise the unwed and pregnant daughter.

See the problem here is Palin believes she's entitled to tell us how responsible we need to be in raising our children yet, she can do no wrong with hers. It's the game played onto the unattentive masses: Do as I say not do as I do. And that's what makes her out to be a hypocrite. And of course, so much for family values. I mean "family values" is just so outdated to these people it's a joke.

purplerose  posted on  2009-12-06   0:26:21 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#73. To: your_neighbor (#67)

So Palin is guilty of throwing red meat to the lions – oh NO not that!

Palin is marketing. She is a public relations phenomenon. She throws just the meat the will evoke the predetermined emotional response and media attention. There is very little substance in the meat that is thrown.

The problem is that people are so conditioned to perception management techniques and propaganda that they buy into every thing Saint Sarah says with emotional zeal.

Yes, there is truth in all propaganda if it is to be effective. Why don't you look at what is omitted? She uses loaded words like "death panels" and look how the masses fall for word manipulation. You fall for it all hook, line and sinker. Climate change or global warming? Ask Frank Luntz--he's the PR genius who coined the term climate change for the purpose of perception managment. He also dubbed the estate tax (which nobody gave a rats ass about for decades) death tax and POOF!! everbody who will never pay a dime or deal with this issue because they are too poor to count suddenly care deeply about the issue. And the serfs never even grasp that they are being manipulated.

Propaganda and public relations is all that is sticking to America's ribs--like super glue. You are an excellent example.

Tell me Sarah's views on salient issues without the use of loaded words. Yes, Sarah is a PR dream and folks are rushing to join the bandwagon!! She is the answer to your desires right? She's plain folk, just like you right? She says all those words that evoke the right emotional response and, by golly, she is the only one saying them.........and this is all simply due to her charisma and has nothing to do with how she is marketed.

abraxas  posted on  2009-12-06   0:45:56 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#74. To: AGAviator (#71) (Edited)

But I find it quite telling that the best the conservatives can do for leadership in these tumultuous times is a superficial, 40ish female who bounced around between 5 different colleges in 6 years when she was younger.

I like it that Sarah has little in common with a bunch of pseudo-intellectual North East trash.

You want to see people who knuckle under to the Jewish gutter -- then look at the North East!

Harvard is the center of the Jewish sewer.

your_neighbor  posted on  2009-12-06   0:52:48 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#75. To: your_neighbor (#74)

Palin has an Israeli flag in her office.

Google it.

They own her.

Some "independent."

A total fraud.

AGAviator  posted on  2009-12-06   1:00:44 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#76. To: your_neighbor (#74)

For crying out loud, your_neighbor, read the coverage of Saint Sarah speaking on ol' Israel:

Sarah Palin Goes Rogue On West Bank December 4, 2009

New York City Michael Felsen Special to the Jewish Times

As Sarah Palin begins what at least appears to be a testing—if not a parting—of the waters in anticipation of a potential presidential run, she has waded into the murky stuff that is the Israel/Palestine quagmire.

One of the stops on her “Going Rogue” book promotional tour last week was ABC’s “Good Morning America.” Noting that the Obama administration doesn’t want Israel to build any more settlements on what it considers Palestinian territory, interviewer Barbara Walters asked the former Alaska governor/Vice Presidential candidate for her view. Palin’s response.

The politician responded, “I disagree with the Obama administration on that. I believe that the Jewish settlements should be allowed to be expanded upon because the population of Israel is going to grow. More and more Jewish people will be flocking to Israel in the days and weeks and months ahead. And I don’t think that the Obama administration has any right to tell Israel that the Jewish settlements cannot expand.”

More and more Jewish people flocking to Israel? What’s Palin’s source of information? Since 2002—the year in which the major wave of immigration from the former Soviet Union came to an end—there has been a consistent downward trend in immigration to Israel. By 2006, immigration was down to 1980s levels, during which time 9,000-24,000 people immigrated annually. And in 2008, the number was 13,681, representing the lowest ratio of immigrants to Israelis since the establishment of the State – 1.9 immigrants per 1000 residents.

Palin is perhaps not best known for her close allegiance to the facts. (See, for example, her discussion of health care reform this summer, when she claimed that bureaucrats on “Obama’s ‘death panels’” would “decide, based on a subjective judgment…whether [the old and infirm] are worthy of health care.”)

Meanwhile, her declaration that Jews will flock to Israel “in the days and weeks and months ahead”—plainly at odds with statistical trends—has an eerily familiar ring. In fact, it’s entirely consistent with the belief of “Christian Zionists” that a mass ingathering of Jews to Israel is the necessary prerequisite to the battle of good against evil at Armageddon and the Second Coming of Christ. As Pastor John Hagee, founder of Christians United for Israel (CUFI) puts it, “We are racing to the end of time,” and more Jews (who, Christian Zionists believe, will either convert or face perdition) in all of historic Palestine are a key ingredient to fulfillment of that Biblical prophecy.

Indeed, Sarah Palin’s protest that the Obama administration has no right to oppose settlement expansion loudly resonates with the same approach taken by Christian Zionists. This summer, at CUFI’s conference in Washington, Pastor Hagee addressed Prime Minister Netanyahu—who was in Israel—by satellite, proclaiming that 50 million Christians support “Israel’s sovereign right to grow and develop the settlements of Israel as you see fit and not to yield to the pressure of the United States government.”

Barbara Walters, regrettably, failed to explore Palin’s rationale for the bold assertions she made about Jewish migration to Israel and the need for expanded settlements to accommodate the attendant burgeoning population. Religious beliefs might be their source, or they might not. The explanation, though, clearly doesn’t appear in current real world conditions.

It’s troubling to think that Palin’s policy pronouncements on the Middle East might be even remotely motivated by apocalyptic beliefs. Regardless, her support for expanded settlements in the West Bank is, in fact, an aberrant position: in conflict not only with the sound “freeze settlements, two viable and secure states” policy of the Obama administration, but also at odds with the views of every U.S. administration of the past 40 years.

Expanding the settlements, if not a prelude to Armageddon, at a minimum significantly hampers, and perhaps even destroys any remaining prospect for a just and lasting peace between the Israeli and Palestinian peoples. Going rogue in the West Bank is simply too reckless to be funny, or cute.

Michael Felsen is an author, attorney and Treasurer of Workmen’s Circle/Arbeter Ring, a 110-year old communal organization dedicated to Jewish education, culture and social justice, and is President of Boston Workmen’s Circle. More information about the group can be found at http://www.circle.org and http://www.circleboston.org.

abraxas  posted on  2009-12-06   1:05:29 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#77. To: your_neighbor (#74)

Notice the complete omission of substance regarding her position, a mantra is repeated over and over with no logic or reasoning or insight....and this stance is as firm today as it was when she was campaiging with McCain.

abraxas  posted on  2009-12-06   1:12:19 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#78. To: abraxas (#73)

Tell me Sarah's views on salient issues without the use of loaded words. Yes, Sarah is a PR dream and folks are rushing to join the bandwagon!! She is the answer to your desires right? She's plain folk, just like you right? She says all those words that evoke the right emotional response and, by golly, she is the only one saying them.........and this is all simply due to her charisma and has nothing to do with how she is marketed.

Boy hmm, this is hard to figure out - how does this trailer park trash of a women with five babies (one of them a retard no less), who went to 6 collages in five years, get this "words thing" so right without a bunch of East coast Jewish Harvard educated cultural dumpster diving sewer tramps telling her how to do it?

your_neighbor  posted on  2009-12-06   1:22:50 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#79. To: your_neighbor, abraxas (#78) (Edited)

get this "words thing" so right without a bunch of East coast Jewish Harvard educated cultural dumpster diving sewer tramps telling her how to do it?

Where do you get the idea she doesn't have anyone handing her scripts to practice?

Hell, even porn "actresses" have to memorize a line or two!

LOLOL!

AGAviator  posted on  2009-12-06   1:27:53 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#80. To: abraxas (#77)

Notice the complete omission of substance regarding her position, a mantra is repeated over and over with no logic or reasoning or insight....and this stance is as firm today as it was when she was campaiging with McCain.

"Substance" on Israel, give us a break - who dares to speak substance on Israel - speaking substance on Israel means you must fall on your political sword. Sarah is not that dumb (along with 100% of the world's Western politicians).

your_neighbor  posted on  2009-12-06   1:36:37 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#81. To: your_neighbor (#78)

get this "words thing" so right without a bunch of East coast Jewish Harvard educated cultural dumpster diving sewer tramps telling her how to do it?

What makes you think that she is doing anything without a bunch of East coast Jewish Harvard educated cultural dumpser diving sewer tramps telling her how to do it?

She's doing it just as Edward Bernays (Jewish, nephew of Freud) said to do to sway public opinion and master perception management. Who do you think runs the best PR in this nation? Or do you think Saint Sarah is handling the PR campaign for her image and book tour on her own? lol

abraxas  posted on  2009-12-06   1:36:56 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#82. To: abraxas (#77)

Notice the complete omission of substance regarding her position, a mantra is repeated over and over with no logic or reasoning or insight....and this stance is as firm today as it was when she was campaiging with McCain.

"We cannot second guess the steps that Israel has to take to defend itself."

Why not?


"The trouble with people is not that they don't know but that they know so much that ain't so." ~ Josh Billings

wudidiz  posted on  2009-12-06   1:38:37 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#83. To: your_neighbor, abraxas (#78)

National Review Criticism of Palin

When Palin first emerged as John McCain’s running mate, I confess I was delighted. She was the antithesis and nemesis of the hirsute, Birkenstock-wearing sisterhood — a refreshing feminist of a different order who personified the modern successful working mother.

Palin didn’t make a mess cracking the glass ceiling. She simply glided through it.

It was fun while it lasted.

Palin’s recent interviews with Charles Gibson, Sean Hannity, and now Katie Couric have all revealed an attractive, earnest, confident candidate. Who Is Clearly Out Of Her League.

No one hates saying that more than I do. Like so many women, I’ve been pulling for Palin, wishing her the best, hoping she will perform brilliantly. I’ve also noticed that I watch her interviews with the held breath of an anxious parent, my finger poised over the mute button in case it gets too painful. Unfortunately, it often does. My cringe reflex is exhausted.

Palin filibusters. She repeats words, filling space with deadwood. Cut the verbiage and there’s not much content there . Here’s but one example of many from her interview with Hannity: “Well, there is a danger in allowing some obsessive partisanship to get into the issue that we’re talking about today. And that’s something that John McCain, too, his track record, proving that he can work both sides of the aisle, he can surpass the partisanship that must be surpassed to deal with an issue like this.”

When Couric pointed to polls showing that the financial crisis had boosted Obama’s numbers, Palin blustered wordily: “I’m not looking at poll numbers. What I think Americans at the end of the day are going to be able to go back and look at track records and see who’s more apt to be talking about solutions and wishing for and hoping for solutions for some opportunity to change, and who’s actually done it?”

If BS were currency, Palin could bail out Wall Street herself.

If Palin were a man, we’d all be guffawing, just as we do every time Joe Biden tickles the back of his throat with his toes. But because she’s a woman — and the first ever on a Republican presidential ticket — we are reluctant to say what is painfully true.

What to do?

McCain can’t repudiate his choice for running mate. He not only risks the wrath of the GOP’s unforgiving base, but he invites others to second-guess his executive decision-making ability. Barack Obama faces the same problem with Biden.

Only Palin can save McCain, her party, and the country she loves. She can bow out for personal reasons, perhaps because she wants to spend more time with her newborn. No one would criticize a mother who puts her family first.

Do it for your country.

— Kathleen Parker is a nationally syndicated columnist.

© 2008, Washington Post Writers Group

AGAviator  posted on  2009-12-06   1:43:48 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#84. To: abraxas (#81)

She's doing it just as Edward Bernays (Jewish, nephew of Freud) said to do to sway public opinion and master perception management.

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"The trouble with people is not that they don't know but that they know so much that ain't so." ~ Josh Billings

wudidiz  posted on  2009-12-06   1:45:10 ET  (1 image) Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#85. To: your_neighbor (#80) (Edited)

"Substance" on Israel, give us a break - who dares to speak substance on Israel - speaking substance on Israel means you must fall on your political sword. Sarah is not that dumb (along with 100% of the world's Western politicians).

Bovine Excrement!!

This nation is so conditioned to the two party fraud they refuse to listen to a candidate who actually speaks with any substance on the topic.

Notice how Nader is being asked to not run? Notice how he actually speaks to the issue with knowledge, intellect and logic? Nader wasn't my choice, but he sure as hell offered substance on this issue. Blows your 100% all to pieces.

Sarah Palin simly has no substance to offer. If she refuses to speak with any substance on an issue simply to save herself from falling on a political sword, then she sure as hell isn't the image that she is selling to the plain folks, is she?

I'm not a Nader supporter, but I admire his conviction and willingness to state the truth rather than save his political image like Sarah Palin does.

This is a sad commentary, you are so conditioned to politicians saving face and keeping up with perception management that you no longer expect any truth or substance out of them. No wonder this nation is in the sorry state of corruption and ignorance that it is in today.

abraxas  posted on  2009-12-06   1:46:56 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#86. To: wudidiz (#82) (Edited)

Why not?

"We cannot second guess the steps that Israel has to take to defend itself."

Why not?

"We cannot second guess the steps that Israel has to take to defend itself."

Perception mangement 101: just keep repeating the same thing over and over again and eventually they will stop asking the question. Repeat a lie enough times and people will believe it...imagine that.

abraxas  posted on  2009-12-06   1:51:21 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#87. To: Cynicom (#50)

So any guess who and why she was picked????

She paid for PR to get her name in the hat, according to the Washington Post:

An outside public relations expert hired under a $31,000 contract with the state Department of Natural Resources pitched the "upstart governor" as a crusader against Big Oil, a story line that Palin has adopted in her campaign as Sen. John McCain's running mate. The contract was the only time the Palin administration hired an outside consultant to set up media interviews, a function performed in many states by government employees.

Palin's gubernatorial calendar, obtained by The Washington Post under the Alaska Public Records Act, adds to the understanding of Palin as a political phenomenon, a governor from an obscure state who exploded onto the national stage after just 21 months in office. While many factors played a role in Palin's rise, including her background in broadcast journalism and the appeal of her life story, she also benefited from expert counsel on how to take her message to a national audience.

The agency signed a contract last year with Marcia Brier, who is based in Needham, Mass. Brier's Web site says she has been a public relations expert for 20 years, working mostly with law and medical firms. She represented Bader al- Saud, the Saudi prince, in his plea deal on a vehicular homicide charge. Another Brier client is the law firm Greenberg Traurig, which is providing legal services to the state of Alaska on the pipeline and recommended Brier to state officials.

Brier began pitching Palin for media interviews as early as October 2007, when an e-mail was sent to The Post.

Gibson, the oil and gas team member, said the contract with Brier ended when McCain picked Palin.

"We'd achieved our objective with getting the national attention," Gibson said. "There was no need anymore to use state money to achieve that. She has the platform. She can deliver the message. She doesn't have a problem reaching out to the media."

Yet, the masses were to believe that she was just an outsider picked on a whim. She had the PR team working for two years prior to her nomination. She was picked because her PR team did their job and met thier objective. But, I still don't know who did the picking.

abraxas  posted on  2009-12-06   2:14:31 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#88. To: abraxas (#85)

Notice how Nader is being asked to not run? Notice how he actually speaks to the issue with knowledge, intellect and logic? Nader wasn't my choice, but he sure as hell offered substance on this issue. Blows your 100% all to pieces.

That video interview is absolutely awesome.

AGAviator  posted on  2009-12-06   2:25:02 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#89. To: abraxas (#85)

Notice how he actually speaks to the issue with knowledge, intellect and logic?

Palestinian deaths 300 to every 1 Israeli.

I didn't know that.

MERRY CHRISTMAS


"The trouble with people is not that they don't know but that they know so much that ain't so." ~ Josh Billings

wudidiz  posted on  2009-12-06   2:37:40 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#90. To: AGAviator (#79)

LOLOL!

Your fellow Palin haters in the White House are not LOLOL!

your_neighbor  posted on  2009-12-06   2:53:17 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#91. To: your_neighbor (#90)

And...er...uh... what's your punchline?

scrapper2  posted on  2009-12-06   2:57:52 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#92. To: your_neighbor (#90)

Your fellow Palin haters in the White House are not LOLOL!

It's their job to have enough research to be ready to blow her and all the other right wing k00ks to smithereens should they start piping up. But for now is's just time to let her continue making an ass of herself.

No need to give her any free publicity, negative or not. She's quite irrelevant, nearly as much as all those Obama Birth Certificate lawsuits.

AGAviator  posted on  2009-12-06   3:09:50 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#93. To: abraxas (#87)

Yet, the masses were to believe that she was just an outsider picked on a whim. She had the PR team working for two years prior to her nomination. She was picked because her PR team did their job and met thier objective.

E gads - 31 thousand dollars -- all of that with just one firm - oh my --- that is a 31 with 3 zeros after it!

Now that is buying your way into office!

There aught to be a law!

p.s. I wonder how much the WP spent fact checking that?

your_neighbor  posted on  2009-12-06   3:18:20 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#94. To: your_neighbor (#90)

AGAviator  posted on  2009-12-06   3:21:00 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#95. To: scrapper2 (#91)

And...er...uh... what's your punchline?

All I said was --- GO Sarah!

your_neighbor  posted on  2009-12-06   3:24:54 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#96. To: AGAviator (#92)

She's quite irrelevant

Then why all the habub and hate?

your_neighbor  posted on  2009-12-06   3:26:56 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#97. To: your_neighbor (#96)

Then why all the habub and hate?

No hate, just something to laugh at.

Just like crackpot Orly Taitz.

AGAviator  posted on  2009-12-06   3:28:49 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#98. To: AGAviator (#97) (Edited)

palin's being groomed to stage a "revolution"... the big wheels think palin will pacify knuckledraggers who might otherwise take to the streets...

it worked with obama, didnt it? ...hope and change with palin... so we wont be inclined to start shooting each other.

such a deal.

groundresonance  posted on  2009-12-06   3:37:02 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#99. To: abraxas (#85)

I admire Ralf Nader for his public stance on Palestine against Israel.

p.s. Did you notice how the media treated him – someone that was a lefty political blood brother to them.

your_neighbor  posted on  2009-12-06   3:40:58 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#100. To: AGAviator (#97)

Then why all the habub and hate?

No hate, just something to laugh at.

A fair description of this thread is “beat down” from the left and right.

your_neighbor  posted on  2009-12-06   3:49:29 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#101. To: your_neighbor (#42)

If she had sounded off when Bush was making illegal wars, passing Patriot Acts, and doing signing statements, then she might have some credibility.

When politicians speak out against the wrong headed moves of their own kind, then maybe they have some value.

Jim Traficant comes to mind. Here's a guy with some balls that could stir a nationalist movement like Pat Buchanan and then stay with it rather than bail out like Ron Paul and Pat Buchanan have done.

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/James_ Traficant

Doing what's right isn't always easy but it's always right.

noone222  posted on  2009-12-06   4:39:06 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#102. To: noone222 (#101)

At this time I do not intend to vote for Palin – but I am open to it.

I believe that Sarah Palin is naïve and uneducated on many subjects – but she does have the opportunity to learn and grow.

If she is gung-ho pro war in two years I will not support her.

What I do not understand is the hate for her.

As to Israel, with a few exceptions she is no different then most every other politician in Western culture – why the special hate?

your_neighbor  posted on  2009-12-06   5:13:55 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#103. To: your_neighbor (#102)

What I do not understand is the hate for her.

It's not her, it's the neo-con (Israeli) agenda !

She's just another "trick" or rabbit from the magicians hat. Many Americans are sick and tired of being lied to, swindled, raped and murdered by these scumbags that say one thing and do another, regardless of party affiliation.

They are ALL liars, thieves and murderers.

A true rogue or renegade would be popular like never before ... but he/she would die before the election.

Doing what's right isn't always easy but it's always right.

noone222  posted on  2009-12-06   6:03:12 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#104. To: your_neighbor (#102)

she is no different then most every other politician in Western culture – why the special hate?

You answered your own question ... they're all hated !

I think you are the victim of evangelical/fundamental Christianity, like so many Christians. (Maybe Palin is too.)

Doing what's right isn't always easy but it's always right.

noone222  posted on  2009-12-06   6:28:55 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#105. To: purplerose (#66)

But not me!

Usually VP candidates are chosen for one of two reasons.

They will bring votes to the election. Example, Kennedy hated Johnson but without him he would have never been president.

Obviously Palin was not chosen for that reason, Alaska has less than a million people and no one had ever heard of her.

Or reason number two, the power people are confident of winning and need a throw away candidate for VP. One that can be discarded at anytime.

Biden is twenty years older than Obama and will be jettisoned when the time arrives.

If Palin was picked as a throwaway it was a bad choice, republicans have turned on her as well as cons, indicating they see her as a threat, even tho she has zero qualifications for President as espoused by many. Someone erred in her choice.

Cynicom  posted on  2009-12-06   8:05:22 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#106. To: Cynicom (#105)

Someone erred in her choice.

Maybe the point was to see if Republican males were as stupid as Democrat females.

70% of Herr Klinton's votes came from females.

Doing what's right isn't always easy but it's always right.

noone222  posted on  2009-12-06   8:15:32 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#107. To: noone222 (#106)

Maybe the point was to see if Republican males were as stupid as Democrat females.

Maybe she has been assured of some support from someone when she resigned and her husband quit his job?????

Cynicom  posted on  2009-12-06   8:39:50 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#108. To: Cynicom (#107)

Her book is being advertised at $4.97 ... fucking total rip-off !!! (A $24.00 savings ... hahahahahaha ... perfect gift for a Republicrat ... symbolizing inflation and deflation at the same time !

Doing what's right isn't always easy but it's always right.

noone222  posted on  2009-12-06   8:49:14 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#109. To: your_neighbor (#93)

E gads - 31 thousand dollars -- all of that with just one firm - oh my --- that is a 31 with 3 zeros after it!

Why do you focus on the dollar amount and igrnore that Sarah Palin is a marketing manipulation? She's an image that fits perfectly into the wants and desires of plain folks like yourself, perfectly into the left right dichotemy.

No matter that she has no substance because that image evokes so darn much emotion. She can say anything and true believers will love or hate her and act as if this emotion is relevant.

abraxas  posted on  2009-12-06   11:00:39 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#110. To: Cynicom (#105)

Usually VP candidates are chosen for one of two reasons.

Cyni, McCain's campaign was barely breathing on life support. The guy had no energy, no charisma, no true believers to rush to the voter box. In walks pretty, charismaitic, plain folk Sarah Palin.

She was a stalking horse to bring in true believers and, wow, what a success. No other option on McCain's short list could have succeeded in bringing back the disgruntled true believers who actually knew that McCain wasn't a conservative by any stretch of the imagination.

abraxas  posted on  2009-12-06   11:05:14 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#111. To: your_neighbor (#102)

What I do not understand is the hate for her.

I've given you the reason for this time and again. This love-hate dichotemy is a normal response for masses of people who can't see beyond perception management, who don't demand or even value substance, who allow their emotions to determine merit not logic.

She uses loaded words to evoke this emotional response from the left and the love from her true believers. Public relations relies on emotion. This emotional response, this contrived hate and contrived love, draws in more interviews, more air time, more book promotion.

You act as if this love-hate over this woman actually matters beyond the next interview, beyond the right wing and left wing radio shows. You can't even give me any instances of Palin offering substance on any issue.

abraxas  posted on  2009-12-06   11:13:12 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#112. To: your_neighbor (#99)

p.s. Did you notice how the media treated him – someone that was a lefty political blood brother to them.

Yes, all that knowledge and logic screws with the finely crafted perception management that states there can only be to choices: dem or rep. The MSM works diligently to keep this front and center with great success. That's why they keep third party candidates, who actually might speak some substance, out of the debates. Can't have those people thinking about issues when they are supposed to be thinking about left versus right.

I loved Nader's response. If the Dems can't win this one they should just close up shop. lol

abraxas  posted on  2009-12-06   11:19:57 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#113. To: abraxas (#110)

I would say McKooK NEVER had a chance of winning. When a black man comes from nowhere and $700 million dollars is donated without a hitch, no one could withstand that effort.

It was ordained long before Palin that McKooK was not going to win.

Cynicom  posted on  2009-12-06   11:20:12 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#114. To: abraxas (#111)

Questioning Black Obama's birth certiffcate is a denial of of Black Suprenmacy, the unwritten law of the land. Palin is above reproach on this one.

Life is a tragedy to those who feel, and a comedy to those who think.

Zoroaster  posted on  2009-12-06   11:29:22 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#115. To: Cynicom (#113)

It was ordained long before Palin that McKooK was not going to win.

I agree, but Palin made the show believable didn't she? She gave the impression that he had a chance. She gave the true believers the hope that they needed to hold their noses and vote for McCain. Imagine the land slide without her......lol.

She's following Obama's step by step marketing to get elected. He began with marketing his image, getting key note speaking engagements. He wrote his book, catchy title like Palin's, shared his life story like Palin, set himself apart from the crowd like Palin. The timing is similar. The message finely crafted for true believers. The message: an outsider who will embody the desires, hopes and dreams of the true believer constituency. Both have no tedious voting record for people to question so they can sell a message and not have it scrutinized too much.

abraxas  posted on  2009-12-06   11:31:40 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#116. To: wudidiz (#89)

lol.....that link is funny.

Ol' Nader has the facts.......hence, he must be marginalized. The sheeple are not to critically think about issues, just hop an emotional bandwagon created for them by the MSM. Love!! Hate!! Dispise!! Yell!! Hope!!

abraxas  posted on  2009-12-06   11:37:34 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#117. To: abraxas (#115)

Obama voted for murdering babies born alive.

People who knew about that vote and voted for him are accessories to murder.

Palin is kind of like a saint.

Error of opinion may be tolerated where reason is left free to combat it - Thomas Jefferson

A K A Stone  posted on  2009-12-06   11:38:03 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#118. To: abraxas (#115)

I agree, but Palin made the show believable didn't she?

Not to my view.

I had never heard of her and other than being a female with a physical appearance, anyone that had decided not to vote didnt, because it was McKooK that was going to be President.

The dems tried that ploy with Ferraro and it was a flop just as was McKooK and Palin.

Had McKooK been serious about wanting the "conservative" vote, all he had to do was add Ron Paul, he didnt and he lost to a preordained winner.

Cynicom  posted on  2009-12-06   11:40:32 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#119. To: wudidiz, abraxas (#89)

Palestinian deaths 300 to every 1 Israeli.

I should add that to my statement over on the epic Islamophobe thread.

And, then, this, too: they killed 3000 of us on 09/11 so we went over there and killed over a million of them (granted that all of those were senior Al- Queda officials).

TRAITORS TO AMERICA AND BRAINWASHED IDIOTS SUPPORT AND DEFEND ISRAEL. TO HELL WITH ZIONISTS AND THIER AMERICAN FRONTS: AIPAC/PNAC/ADL/JPCA/NAACP/CFR/FEDERAL RESERVE/NWO/SPLC/JINSA/ACLU/FPI/CHRISTIAN ZIONISTS/AEI/FEDERAL MEDIA/HOLLYWOOD, et. al.

wbales  posted on  2009-12-06   11:41:49 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#120. To: your_neighbor (#102)

Sarah Palin is an Israel ass kissing illusion of choice being dished out to the FR/LP/Fox viewing types.

TRAITORS TO AMERICA AND BRAINWASHED IDIOTS SUPPORT AND DEFEND ISRAEL. TO HELL WITH ZIONISTS AND THIER AMERICAN FRONTS: AIPAC/PNAC/ADL/JPCA/NAACP/CFR/FEDERAL RESERVE/NWO/SPLC/JINSA/ACLU/FPI/CHRISTIAN ZIONISTS/AEI/FEDERAL MEDIA/HOLLYWOOD, et. al.

wbales  posted on  2009-12-06   11:43:42 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#121. To: A K A Stone (#117)

Palin is kind of like a saint.

lol.....in the same way that John Hagee is a saint.

You still believe that the abortion issue is anything more than a stalking horse to rally the emotions of the true believers? Gee, you had a republican controlled house, senate and executive and beyond the election cycle they never bothered to talk about the issue. That should have been a clue for folks.

What percentage of people do you think knew about that vote by Obama? I'd say less than one eighth of one percent. Was that vote getting airplay beyond a group of people who weren't going to vote for Obama anyway?

abraxas  posted on  2009-12-06   11:44:04 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#122. To: Cynicom (#118)

Cyni,

I knew a stripper years ago, a total airhead, but the sweetest thing. Anyway, wanna come to NYC with me to track her down? I hear she's held up well to the aging process and we can input whatever political message we care to. Trust me, it will be worth your time.

Klick the Khristmas Kat

Jethro Tull  posted on  2009-12-06   11:45:01 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#123. To: Jethro Tull (#122)

The last time I visited Queens Village, I thot I was in a jungle in some foreign country where no one spoke any known language. My doter thot we had been slum dwellers.

Paul jumped ship, Palin does not cut the mustard, Dobbs fell in love with illegals and Traficant is a big shark swimming in a small pool presently.

Maybe your airhead "friend" will help us out????

Cynicom  posted on  2009-12-06   11:51:28 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#124. To: abraxas (#121)

You still believe that the abortion issue is anything more than a stalking horse to rally the emotions of the true believers? Gee, you had a republican controlled house, senate and executive and beyond the election cycle they never bothered to talk about the issue. That should have been a clue for folks.

What percentage of people do you think knew about that vote by Obama? I'd say less than one eighth of one percent. Was that vote getting airplay beyond a group of people who weren't going to vote for Obama anyway?

You are correct that many Republicans just pretend to be pro life to get votes. But certainly not all of them.

A correction for you though, they did pass ban on partial birth abortion. I don't think that went far enough.

The Jury is still out on Palin if she would champion the anti abortion cause if she were so fortunate to be elected President.

I don't know what percent knew that Obama hated babies so much that he voted to let them be murdered. But it was wrong that is the important thing.

You are correct that only Republicans talked about Obama hating kids so much he would let them be murdered. I wonder why the mainstream media didn't highlight Obamas anti kid ideology. Could it be that they are "in bed" with him and his hate baby ideology?

Error of opinion may be tolerated where reason is left free to combat it - Thomas Jefferson

A K A Stone  posted on  2009-12-06   12:21:59 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#125. To: abraxas (#110)

I despised McCain. I was a Ron Paul man. I voted for McCain/Palin because Palin wasn't born rich. She had to work for what she got. She started off as a pissed off partent on the PTA. She is grass roots. She is the only candidate on the horizon that has any kind of chance of turning things around. Until someone better comes along that has a real shot. I will support Palin. Besides it pisses off the liberal turds.

Error of opinion may be tolerated where reason is left free to combat it - Thomas Jefferson

A K A Stone  posted on  2009-12-06   12:22:54 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#126. To: A K A Stone (#125)

I voted for McCain/Palin because Palin wasn't born rich. She had to work for what she got. She started off as a pissed off partent on the PTA. She is grass roots. She is the only candidate on the horizon that has any kind of chance of turning things around. Until someone better comes along that has a real shot. I will support Palin. Besides it pisses off the liberal turds.

How did Palin work? Did she pay her own way through college? Did she take out taxpayer loans? Did her parents foot the bill?

How is she grass roots? This is the PR story, yes. But what do you kow to support this claim?

She is now the "only one on the horizon" to strap your hopes and dreams upon? This is how Saint Sarah is marketing herself...her team is doing a hell of a job. Sounds quite similar to the Obama strategy.......lol. Funny how Obama is a fraud for using such marketing gimmicks, but ol' Sarah is a saint.

Tell me, how is Saint Sarah going to turn ANYTHING around. I don't want platitudes, but some real substance......if you can find any.

Yes, she is very effective at pissing off liberal turds. Sad thing is that folks actually think this is a good enough quality to cover her lack of substance and inability to offer any real solutions for any issus. She is so useful at keeping the masses focused on the two party fraud!!

abraxas  posted on  2009-12-06   12:32:03 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#127. To: your_neighbor (#100)

A fair description of this thread is “beat down” from the left and right.

See the National Review article I quoted.

A conservative female columnist started out believing in her and hoping for her, and after she opened her mouth a few times, the columnist started cringing more and more, and now has come to the conclusion that the best thing Palin could have done is get out of the picture so as not to embarrass McCain any more than she already had.

Outside of a core group of noisy yappy supporters who see her as some kind of anti-politician - even though she parrots pro-Jewish talking points - few see her as relevant or qualified.

AGAviator  posted on  2009-12-06   12:38:39 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#128. To: abraxas (#126)

I went to the McCain event where she was announced. I've posted pics I took at the event.

Getting up close and looking her and her family in the eye. I could see that she was an ordinary person. With an ordinary family. You can tell something about a person when you look in their eyes and see their facial expressions and the way the react to stuff. I went there to protest McCain. I didn't clap at anything he said. When he started announcing her as a she. I thought what a ploy and I was prepared not to like her. But having been there I came to respect her.

I don't know if she paid her way through college or those other things. It doesn't really concern me how she went to college.

I know a guy from Alaska and his name is Pete. He said the people up in Alaska like here a great deal for the most part. The people of Alaska by in large have great values and a better understanding of limited government then most people in the lower states do imo.

Is she perfect. Certainly not, no one is. But I honestly believe she is a good person and wants to do what is right. I disagree with her on the war and hope she will change her mind on that issue.

Nice chit chatting with you.

Error of opinion may be tolerated where reason is left free to combat it - Thomas Jefferson

A K A Stone  posted on  2009-12-06   12:39:47 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#129. To: AGAviator (#127)

A conservative female columnist started out believing in her and hoping for her, and after she opened her mouth a few times, the columnist started cringing more and more, and now has come to the conclusion that the best thing Palin could have done is get out of the picture so as not to embarrass McCain any more than she already had.

The reporter was loyal to McCain and the Republican Party -- big deal.

I sure am not - neither is Sarah - good on her!

your_neighbor  posted on  2009-12-06   13:40:37 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#130. To: abraxas (#126)

She is so useful at keeping the masses focused on the two party fraud!!

That two party fraud has been going on for 200 years - and you blame Sarah???

That is a weak argument - you are reaching.

She went against her party in Alaska - remember!

your_neighbor  posted on  2009-12-06   13:49:58 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#131. To: your_neighbor (#130)

That two party fraud has been going on for 200 years - and you blame Sarah???

Blame Sarah? I merely pointed out that she is yet another marketing ploy to keep up the charade.......and it's very succcessful, jut read your comments. That speaks volumes as to what she is accomplishing. She sure is a pretty diversion and she doesn't have to speak truth on issues or offer substance, just piss off liberals and carry on with perception management for the true believers. Go Sarah!!

She quit or job in Alaska after the changes she made opened up ethics violation complaints against her. The fire got hot and Sarah fled. And she quit at such a convenient time, when she was facing economic shortfalls and wouldn't be able to funnel federal funds to her constituency. Oh, but it was all for the people. Quit your elected position, working for the people, to save the people from a ethics violations that came about from ineffective changes made at the executive level of Alaska government. Now the next Gov. is left to clean house.........all for the people!! Yeah, she really took on the establishment, like leaving Wasilla in debt for decades when she waltzed off to find higher political ground.

Hail Sarah. I know, these facts matter not to true believers who buy the story that she really made significant changes up in Alaska.

abraxas  posted on  2009-12-06   14:01:04 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#132. To: your_neighbor (#129)

The reporter was loyal to McCain and the Republican Party -- big deal.

I sure am not - neither is Sarah - good on her!

So as if it's not enough that Republicans of all shapes, sizes, and forms are becoming an endangered species, we have a Republican candidate who feels like she does not need to support the party she has accepted a position from, whenever she feels like not supporting the party.

As I don't particularly like Republicans, I second your "Good on Her!" statement.

What you've said, without realizing it, is that Palin will forever be a fringe candidate, who can't work with other people and build consensus, even among what should be her base, and who will just be a way for fringe voters to protest the system without ever being able to do anything about it.

The only thing Palin will unswervingly support will be Sarah Palin.

Sarah Palin - the "Up yours" non-candidate.

Good on her!

AGAviator  posted on  2009-12-06   14:18:28 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#133. To: abraxas (#131)

That two party fraud has been going on for 200 years - and you blame Sarah???

Blame Sarah? I merely pointed out that she is yet another marketing ploy to keep up the charade.......and it's very successful, jut read your comments. That speaks volumes as to what she is accomplishing.

Palin is NOT the pick of the established Republican Party. The Midwest and East Cost Republicans will support someone else – with a vengeance.

They would rather lose then support someone who would bring in Westerners that would displace them.

They hate and fear Sarah more then you do.

your_neighbor  posted on  2009-12-06   14:22:51 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#134. To: AGAviator (#132)

The only thing Palin will unswervingly support will be Sarah Palin.

That is not true - you miss judge her.

your_neighbor  posted on  2009-12-06   14:27:23 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#135. To: your_neighbor (#133)

Palin is NOT the pick of the established Republican Party

They hate and fear Sarah more then you do.

No, that would be marketing suicide at this time. Right? She is the "outsider" that all the disgruntled constituency can get behind. Boy does the disgruntled constituency need that. Why Sarah is like manna falling from the sky. lol Just like Obama and his liberal constituency. You true believers will be just as disappointed when the marketing image sold to you doesn't show up in reality, like Obama's core constituency is moaning today.

This is already true for Palin, but you people bury your heads in the sand and refuse to allow any information into your schema that doesn't fit with perception management. She has no substance, offers no salient solutions to any problem but you just love her anyway, especially because she upsets the liberals. You are being played like a fiddle with your emotions on your sleeve.

You are the one with all this emotion for Sarah Palin. I don't hate her. I see her for the marketing ploy that she is and, like I said, she is damn good at selling an image to a group of people desparate for an image that will give them hope again.

abraxas  posted on  2009-12-06   14:35:42 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#136. To: Cynicom (#105)

If Palin was picked as a throwaway it was a bad choice, republicans have turned on her as well as cons, indicating they see her as a threat, even tho she has zero qualifications for President as espoused by many. Someone erred in her choice.

I think Palin was chosen because the Republicans at the time realized they were already so far behind they had nothing to lose, so they wanted someone different to create some buzz and generate some excitement.

I think it was a "swing for the fences" move, and as often happens when you swing for the fences, you have a good chance of striking out.

The aftermath of this bad move is that Palin has become empowered as an individual to some extent, and since she is unable to work with other people and only look out for herself she will further weaken and divide the Republicans.

AGAviator  posted on  2009-12-06   14:37:05 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#137. To: AGAviator (#136)

The aftermath of this bad move is that Palin has become empowered as an individual to some extent, and since she is unable to work with other people and only look out for herself she will further weaken and divide the Republicans.

Good -- a shakeup is what the Republican party needs. The Repubican elite are worthless.

Go Sarah!

your_neighbor  posted on  2009-12-06   14:56:20 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#138. To: your_neighbor (#137) (Edited)

Good -- a shakeup is what the Republican party needs. The Repubican elite are worthless.

Go Sarah!

Leaders are able to persuade and change, rather than destroy.

What was one of Ronald Reagan's nicknames? "The Great Communicator."

Unlike Palin, Reagan had the ability to get people to see his perspective and change their own.

Sarah is a diva and a destroyer, not a leader.

Go Sarah!

AGAviator  posted on  2009-12-06   15:21:29 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#139. To: AGAviator (#138)

Currently the Republicans are pushing Romney – what a woos – he is the same old big money bullsh*ter that kneels to the Jewish – not only on foreign matters, but on domestic matters also.

The Republicans are going to run some Bush/Cheney lookalike (with zero chance of winning)!

Go Sarah!

p.s. If in two years, she still persists on the Jewish pro war agenda – then forget her!

your_neighbor  posted on  2009-12-06   15:52:44 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#140. To: your_neighbor (#139)

p.s. If in two years, she still persists on the Jewish pro war agenda – then forget her!

It will depend on who she is talking to at the time....

AGAviator  posted on  2009-12-06   16:07:55 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#141. To: AGAviator (#140)

It will depend on who she is talking to at the time....

Live to fight another day - do not fall on your sword!

your_neighbor  posted on  2009-12-06   16:50:14 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#142. To: your_neighbor (#134)

The only thing Palin will unswervingly support will be Sarah Palin. That is not true - you miss judge her.

Why else would she take a nomination for the 2nd highest office in the country from the party, leapfrogging over hundreds of other people with more experience and ability, then immediately afterwards go on a self-promoting book tour while criticizing her former benefactors.

AGAviator  posted on  2009-12-06   17:00:41 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#143. To: AGAviator (#142)

Why else would she take a nomination for the 2nd highest office in the country from the party, leapfrogging over hundreds of other people with more experience and ability, then immediately afterwards go on a self-promoting book tour while criticizing her former benefactors.

We need someone politically shrewd like that on our side.

Shed no tears for the Republican elite – they have been using us for far to long.

They used Sarah – but she came out on top --- good on her!

your_neighbor  posted on  2009-12-06   17:26:27 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#144. To: your_neighbor (#143)

They used Sarah – but she came out on top

You're dreaming.

She has not won anything.

Her only accomplishment is to get a lot of money for herself from gullible dupes.

Another Orly Taitz.

AGAviator  posted on  2009-12-06   18:07:57 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#145. To: abraxas (#77)

Notice the complete omission of substance regarding her position, a mantra is repeated over and over with no logic or reasoning or insight....and this stance is as firm today as it was when she was campaigning with McCain.

Change the gender and the names and you have buckwheat. As much as Palin was disliked, that many and more were drooling over the empty-suited person we now have as the POTUS. Wonder how many who voted for HIM have come to terms with what lack of experience, knowledge and intellect got them?

Phant2000  posted on  2009-12-06   20:10:16 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#146. To: Phant2000 (#145)

Wonder how many who voted for HIM have come to terms with what lack of experience, knowledge and intellect got them?

Obama, like Palin, is a PR dream. He's an image manufactured to meet an objective. Oh, but how the lefties are whining now!! The college profs were so giddy about the new POTUS are feeling so much buyers remorse. Hate to say it, but I told them so. I rarely hear people yap about his intellect or knowledge these days, with the exception of Tingley Leg Mathews. Code Pink and the anti war crowd are ready to hunt him down with pitchforks.

Of course, any candidate with real substance was marginalized and told that they couldn't win because we don't want people to consider substance over fantastic PR creations.

At this point Palin doesn't care about the dislike just so long as she is getting coverage. She can throw out the victim card and blame the lefties or the MSM and her true believers gobble it up like candy.

Let us get this straight. We're going to pass a health care plan written by a committee whose head says he doesn't understand it, passed by a Congress that hasn't read it but exempts themselves from it, signed by a president that also hasn't read it and who smokes, with funding administered by a treasury chief who didn't pay his taxes, overseen by a surgeon general who is obese, and financed by a country that's nearly broke. What could possibly go wrong?

abraxas  posted on  2009-12-06   20:21:08 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#147. To: abraxas (#146)

We're going to pass a health care plan written by a committee whose head says he doesn't understand it, passed by a Congress that hasn't read it but exempts themselves from it, signed by a president that also hasn't read it and who smokes, with funding administered by a treasury chief who didn't pay his taxes, overseen by a surgeon general who is obese, and financed by a country that's nearly broke. What could possibly go wrong?

Good statement, abraxas.

Unfortunately, there is still more to come. It distresses me to see so many see so little.

Phant2000  posted on  2009-12-06   20:26:43 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#148. To: Phant2000 (#147)

Good statement, abraxas.

That's my new tag line.....my friend sent it to me in an e-mail. Maybe I need to change the color and make the font smaller, eh? : )

Let us get this straight. We're going to pass a health care plan written by a committee whose head says he doesn't understand it, passed by a Congress that hasn't read it but exempts themselves from it, signed by a president that also hasn't read it and who smokes, with funding administered by a treasury chief who didn't pay his taxes, overseen by a surgeon general who is obese, and financed by a country that's nearly broke. What could possibly go wrong?

abraxas  posted on  2009-12-06   20:28:19 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#149. To: abraxas (#146)

At this point Palin doesn't care about the dislike just so long as she is getting coverage. She can throw out the victim card and blame the lefties or the MSM and her true believers gobble it up like candy.

Yup.

The first rule of publicity hounds is "There is no such thing as bad publicity."

Sarah Palin is the Kim Kardashaian of politics!

AGAviator  posted on  2009-12-06   21:54:02 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#150. To: your_neighbor (#78)

who went to 6 collages in five years,

There's a red flag right there. Did she graduate from any of them?

During times of universal deceit, telling the truth becomes a revolutionary act.

Bill D Berger  posted on  2009-12-07   10:03:48 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#151. To: abraxas (#148)

Maybe I need to change the color and make the font smaller, eh? : )

yes ;) so we can distinguish it from your comments.

christine  posted on  2009-12-07   10:38:09 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#152. To: Phant2000 (#145) (Edited)

Change the gender and the names and you have buckwheat. As much as Palin was disliked, that many and more were drooling over the empty-suited person we now have as the POTUS. Wonder how many who voted for HIM have come to terms with what lack of experience, knowledge and intellect got them?

Either the GOP steps up to the plate or we need a true third party that's not a poor imitation of the one in office now. The lesser of two evils unconstitutionalists got us the Bushs and then Obama. We have been played like fiddles by both sides and need to drop the need for a Messiah baby sitter and get to work. Men are not gods.

mininggold  posted on  2009-12-07   11:05:10 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#153. To: christine (#151)

Christine -- is there a printout of how to use HTML or whatever to modify our posts - thanks!

your_neighbor  posted on  2009-12-07   19:25:26 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#154. To: Bill D Berger (#150) (Edited)

who went to 6 collages in five years,

There's a red flag right there. Did she graduate from any of them?

The same things were said about Reagan - "not to bright".

Whatever the case, she does seem to be one savvy politician.

She seems to make the right political moves – quitting the governorship was pure genius.

It got a political target off her back, made her rich, and got her 150 posts on our Freedom4um – what more can you ask for?

your_neighbor  posted on  2009-12-07   19:35:34 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#155. To: your_neighbor (#154)

She seems to make the right political moves – quitting the governorship was pure genius.

lol.....quitting your elected position prior to completing your term is such a great selling point on resume.

Run, Sarah, the fire is too hot, the criticism too much (even if you did call the media again and again), the budget shortfalls are mounting by the day. Even if you quit, your true believers will call it "genius" and even if you put the interests of Israel before the interests of American, that too will be okie dokie with your true believers. : )

Let us get this straight. We're going to pass a health care plan written by a committee whose head says he doesn't understand it, passed by a Congress that hasn't read it but exempts themselves from it, signed by a president that also hasn't read it and who smokes, with funding administered by a treasury chief who didn't pay his taxes, overseen by a surgeon general who is obese, and financed by a country that's nearly broke. What could possibly go wrong?

abraxas  posted on  2009-12-07   19:48:03 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#156. To: your_neighbor (#153)

none specific to 4um, but here's a html tags chart

hope that helps.

christine  posted on  2009-12-07   20:04:50 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#157. To: christine, your_neighbor, all (#156)

HTML Sandbox

HTML Sandbox 2008

MERRY CHRISTMAS


"The trouble with people is not that they don't know but that they know so much that ain't so." ~ Josh Billings

wudidiz  posted on  2009-12-07   20:10:09 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#158. To: wudidiz (#157)

i remember those from FR. great pages. thanks, wud.

christine  posted on  2009-12-07   20:14:51 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#159. To: Cynicom (#118)

Sarah is trying to ride the tiger's back without being eaten or bagged by left wing hunters aiming scopes to send rhetorical bullets at her from the political helicopters the Daily KOS, DU and other blog/forum entities are.

She would be smarter to remain aloft from the frey and let others mount up that beastie. Bottom line. ;-)


Ferret Mike  posted on  2009-12-07   20:16:09 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#160. To: christine (#158)

You're welcome. :-)

MERRY CHRISTMAS


"The trouble with people is not that they don't know but that they know so much that ain't so." ~ Josh Billings

wudidiz  posted on  2009-12-07   20:20:15 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#161. To: christine, Ferret Mike (#159)

Ferret is back and he has posted a photo of two asswipes on your forum.

TRAITORS TO AMERICA SUPPORT AND DEFEND ISRAEL. TO HELL WITH ZIONISTS AND THIER AMERICAN FRONTS: AIPAC/PNAC/ADL/JPCA/NAACP/CFR/FEDERAL RESERVE/NWO/SPLC/JINSA/ACLU/FPI/CHRISTIAN ZIONISTS/AEI/FEDERAL MEDIA/HOLLYWOOD, et. al.

wbales  posted on  2009-12-07   20:22:19 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#162. To: wbales (#161)

Heh, not only that, he forgot that was his signature, he did. Don't worry precious, I am going to replace it with a smalleer diddy. But, hey thanks for sharing.

(Pssst.... I am authorized to be here. Good to see you too. And in a Christmaslike mood no less. ;-)


Ferret Mike  posted on  2009-12-07   21:22:11 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#163. To: Ferret Mike (#162)

Just kidding...welcome back.

TRAITORS TO AMERICA SUPPORT AND DEFEND ISRAEL. TO HELL WITH ZIONISTS AND THIER AMERICAN FRONTS: AIPAC/PNAC/ADL/JPCA/NAACP/CFR/FEDERAL RESERVE/NWO/SPLC/JINSA/ACLU/FPI/CHRISTIAN ZIONISTS/AEI/FEDERAL MEDIA/HOLLYWOOD, et. al.

wbales  posted on  2009-12-07   21:41:45 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#164. To: christine, wdidiz (#156)

Thank You Both!

your_neighbor  posted on  2009-12-07   21:45:32 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#165. To: your_neighbor (#164)

well done!

christine  posted on  2009-12-07   21:51:46 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#166. To: wbales (#163)

--

Thanks. By the way, things are coming up roses here in Eugene. ;-D


Ferret Mike  posted on  2009-12-07   22:24:21 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#167. To: Ferret Mike (#166)

things are coming up roses

in December? ;)

christine  posted on  2009-12-07   22:48:56 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#168. To: Ferret Mike, sneakypete (#166) (Edited)

Weasel, you useless candy-striper, you're still alive......how disappointing.

Show Me Obama's Birth Certificate!

Flintlock  posted on  2009-12-07   22:52:24 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#169. To: Ferret Mike, cynicom (#166)

Bah! Humbug! I'll tell you what you can do with your "Roses".

Wait till next year in Corvallis.

"An education isn't how much you have committed to memory, or even how much you know. It's being able to differentiate between what you know and what you don't. ~ Anatole France

Original_Intent  posted on  2009-12-07   23:22:02 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#170. To: Original_Intent, Ferret Mike (#169)

One day Mike will be the worlds oldest Hippie.

Cynicom  posted on  2009-12-07   23:26:02 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#171. To: Cynicom (#170)

Pessimist.

"An education isn't how much you have committed to memory, or even how much you know. It's being able to differentiate between what you know and what you don't. ~ Anatole France

Original_Intent  posted on  2009-12-07   23:29:25 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#172. To: Original_Intent, Ferret Mike (#171)

Pessimist.

They will go away together, to their great reward, Mike and his cycle.

Cynicom  posted on  2009-12-07   23:31:43 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#173. To: Flintlock, Ferret Mike (#168)

Weasel, you useless candy-striper,

WOW! That's a term I haven't heard in a LONG time.

Do they still have candy-stripers?

sneakypete  posted on  2009-12-08   5:55:26 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#174. To: your_neighbor (#164)

Hahahaha

Your welcome.

MERRY CHRISTMAS


"The trouble with people is not that they don't know but that they know so much that ain't so." ~ Josh Billings

wudidiz  posted on  2009-12-08   5:59:10 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#175. To: christine (#167)

Nope, not December, January 1st at the Rose Bowl in Pasadena, CA

(Quack Quack, I love my ducks.)


Ferret Mike  posted on  2009-12-08   12:24:44 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#176. To: sneakypete (#173)

Nope, candy strippers are as outdated and gone as limplock's testicles.


Ferret Mike  posted on  2009-12-08   12:26:11 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#177. To: Cynicom (#170)

"One day Mike will be the worlds oldest Hippie."

Far out, man. Peace.

Wanna hit offa my joint?


Ferret Mike  posted on  2009-12-08   12:28:05 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#178. To: Cynicom, Ferret Mike (#172)

Pessimist.

They will go away together, to their great reward, Mike and his cycle.

What about the VW mini-bus with all the flower stickers? Will that be permanently parked in the lot at "Forgotten Acres"?

"An education isn't how much you have committed to memory, or even how much you know. It's being able to differentiate between what you know and what you don't. ~ Anatole France

Original_Intent  posted on  2009-12-08   12:34:00 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#179. To: Ferret Mike (#175)

that video is cool..i was teasing you about roses though.

christine  posted on  2009-12-08   13:18:44 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#180. To: christine (#179)

I know as the one thing you are not is dumb. ;-)

I used to live four houses down from Steve Prefontaine. When my Mom bought a new MG Midget Steve - who owned an MGB popped into the house without knocking and chatted my brother Tim and I up on it as he liked those sort of automotive toys.

He spotted Mom's spare keys on the dining room table, grabbed them, and bopped out with them saying, "hey I'll be right back after a short spin."

We were speechless at his hubris and watched him drive away in shock. I called Mom and said, "Steve stopped in and is using your car."

She was silent for a pregnant five minutes and said, "well.... let me know when he gets back."

What could she say? Only Steve could get away with that with her. I would of had my beetle locked into a carport for a month had I done that.

But then again, I was not Steve Prefontaine. He could get away with murder. He had great parties. I really miss him. He died in that car of his. I tear up whenever I see a gold MGB.

I was in Connecticut driving on Route 95 when I heard he had left us. I parked and sat in mourning for two hours. I never expected to see someone that immortal to die like that.

Man, he could run, and was fierce. What a profound loss his death was.


Ferret Mike  posted on  2009-12-08   22:07:50 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#181. To: Original_Intent (#178)

Seriously, I am not a VW Bus man. ut I will own a beetle until die.


Ferret Mike  posted on  2009-12-08   22:09:04 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#182. To: Ferret Mike (#180)

he was only 24 when he died. that story is cute.

christine  posted on  2009-12-08   22:15:57 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#183. To: christine (#182) (Edited)

I sometimes veer off Chambers St. onto McKinley where I had that famous neighbor which runs parallel to that main drag. The early 70s seems like centuries ago. I was 21 when he died.

That was back when I felt I would live forever.


Ferret Mike  posted on  2009-12-08   22:26:55 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


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