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Title: Palin says questioning Obama’s birth certificate legit
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URL Source: http://rawstory.com/2009/12/palin-questioning-obama/
Published: Dec 5, 2009
Author: Raw Story
Post Date: 2009-12-05 14:21:59 by wudidiz
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Palin says questioning Obama’s birth certificate legit

By Raw Story
Friday, December 4th, 2009 -- 8:32 am

Update at bottom: Palin backtracks -- partly -- in Facebook posting

In a radio appearance Thursday, former Alaska governor and GOP vice presidential nominee Sarah Palin said questions about President Obama's birth certificate -- a spurious attempt to argue that he's not a US citizen and thus ineligible for President -- are fair game for debate.

Transcript and video follows.

HUMPHRIES: Sarah Palin here on the Rusty Humphries Show. One of the questions Jason asks is would you make the birth certificate an issue if you ran?
PALIN: I think the public rightly is still making it an issue. I don’t have a problem with that. I don’t know if I would have to bother to make it an issue because I think there are enough members of the electorate that still want answers.

HUMPHRIES: Do you think it’s a fair question to be looking at?
PALIN: I think it’s a fair question just like I think past associations and past voting records. All of that is fair game. You know, I’ve got to tell you too, I think our campaign, the McCain-Palin campaign didn’t do a good enough job in that area. We didn’t call out Obama and some of his associates on their records and what their beliefs were, and perhaps what their future plans were, and I don’t think that was fair to voters to not have done our job as candidates and a campaign to bring to light a lot of things that now we’re seeing manifest in the administration.
HUMPHRIES: I mean, truly if your past is fair game and your kids are fair game, certainly Obama’s past should be. I mean, we want to treat men and women equally, right?
PALIN: Hey, you know, that’s a great point. And that weird conspiracy theory freaky thing that people talk about that Trig isn’t my real son, and a lot of people that went "Well, you need to produce his birth certificate, you need to prove that he’s your kid," which we have done, but yeah, so maybe we can reverse that, and use the same [inaudible] thinking on the other one.

UPDATE

Following her radio interview comments about Obama's birth certificate, Sarah Palin backtracked -- partly -- in a posting to her Facebook page late Wednesday night.

"At no point ... have I asked the president to produce his birth certificate or suggested that he was not born in the United States," Palin wrote in a posting she titled "Stupid conspiracies."

The full statement reads:

Voters have every right to ask candidates for information if they so choose. I’ve pointed out that it was seemingly fair game during the 2008 election for many on the left to badger my doctor and lawyer for proof that Trig is in fact my child. Conspiracy-minded reporters and voters had a right to ask... which they have repeatedly. But at no point – not during the campaign, and not during recent interviews – have I asked the president to produce his birth certificate or suggested that he was not born in the United States.

All of these statements matter to the same two camps: her true believing base and her frothing at the mouth opposition. Were these statement of value to those outside the true believer camps? I don't think so.

Do you really think it mattered an iota to your average independent or libertarian?

The way Palin makes her statements is taken directly from Edward Bernays' playbook. He was the father of public relations (coined the term because people felt a negative connotation for propaganda) He new that you sold issues and people and anything under the sun, not with logic but with emotion.

Every statement Saint Sarah makes must contain loaded words. She can't open her mouth without them. IMO, you are making the mistake of allowing an emotional response to what she says without consideration of the content or intent. But, that's how she gets so much media attention, that's how she gets the base giddy, that's how she gets her opposition frothing--it's really quite a PR circus if you step back and evaluate what people say about her and what Saint Sarah says to attain the desired response.

Palin is being accused of JUST stirring the pot – WELL what is wrong with that.

I personally think that she is unsure and uneducated on many subjects – but being unsure is not the same as being stupid.

She cannot work with and manage people, which is an absolute necessity for leadership and consensus-building.

She will make a lot of noise and a lot of money for herself until people get tired of her after one too many gaffes, but she will go nowhere.

"By your sword you shall live, and your brother you shall serve. But when you become restive, you will cast his yoke from off your neck." Genesis 27:40

Your biased personal opinion, or based on something the rest of us have not read or seen?

Assertion: Assertion is commonly used in advertising and modern propaganda. An assertion is an enthusiastic or energetic statement presented as a fact, although it is not necessarily true. They often imply that the statement requires no explanation or back up, but that it should merely be accepted without question.

Bandwagon: When confronted with bandwagon propaganda, we should weigh the pros and cons of joining in independently from the amount of people who have already joined, and, as with most types of propaganda, we should seek more information.

Card stacking: Card stacking, or selective omission, is one of the seven techniques identified by the IPA, or Institute for Propaganda Analysis. It involves only presenting information that is positive to an idea or proposal and omitting information contrary to it. Card stacking is used in almost all forms of propaganda, and is extremely effective in convincing the public. Although the majority of information presented by the card stacking approach is true, it is dangerous because it omits important information. The best way to deal with card stacking is to get more information.

Glittering Generalities: Glittering generalities are words that have different positive meaning for individual subjects, but are linked to highly valued concepts. When these words are used, they demand approval without thinking, simply because such an important concept is involved. For example, when a person is asked to do something in "defense of democracy" they are more likely to agree. The concept of democracy has a positive connotation to them because it is linked to a concept that they value. Words often used as glittering generalities are honor, glory, love of country, and especially in the United States, freedom. When coming across with glittering generalities, we should especially consider the merits of the idea itself when separated from specific words.

Pinpointing the Enemy: Pinpointing the enemy is used extremely often during wartime, and also in political campaigns and debates. This is an attempt to simplify a complex situation by presenting one specific group or person as the enemy. Although there may be other factors involved the subject is urged to simply view the situation in terms of clear-cut right and wrong. When coming in contact with this technique, the subject should attempt to consider all other factors tied into the situation.

Plain Folks: The plain folks device is an attempt by the propagandist to convince the public that his views reflect those of the common person and that they are also working for the benefit of the common person. The propagandist will often attempt to use the accent of a specific audience as well as using specific idioms or jokes. Also, the propagandist, especially during speeches, may attempt to increase the illusion through imperfect pronunciation, stuttering, and a more limited vocabulary. Errors such as these help add to the impression of sincerity and spontaneity. This technique is usually most effective when used with glittering generalities, in an attempt to convince the public that the propagandist views about highly valued ideas are similar to their own and therefore more valid. When confronted by this type of propaganda, the subject should consider the proposals and ideas separately from the personality of the presenter.

Please note the remedy for each type of propaganda that is presented within the public relations phenomenon Sarah Palin.

I have been looking for the name of the person that picked Palin out of the crowd and why?????

Most would agree she did not pick herself, so there has to be someone out there that did..

What really made me take notice was her preening for the TV cameras while turkeys were being slaughtered right in back of her, and her being so oblivious and stupid to what was going on around her that she didn't even try to set the scene up so those things wouldn't find their way into the pictures.

"By your sword you shall live, and your brother you shall serve. But when you become restive, you will cast his yoke from off your neck." Genesis 27:40

Good questions, cyni. I'm not sure who picked her. Yet, I am certain she was chosen for specific reasons and has been packaged to meet those objectives.

“The conscious and intelligent manipulation of the organized habits and opinions of the [public] is an important element in democratic society. Those who manipulate this unseen mechanism of society constitute an invisible government which is the true ruling power of our country.” –Edward Bernays

O'Reilly preening, and oohing and aahhing all over her every weekday is all I have to know. There is never a day on his show without a Palin segment usually about how someone dared to diss her highness. She's a true marketing marvel.

Negative traits don't really matter when you are creating perception management, Cyni. What matters most is how well the person or product fits into the desires and wants of a specific group of people.

Consider for a moment, the perception management in relation to Obama. The negative traits, such as lack of experience, questionable voting record and alliances (to name just a few) didn't matter at all. No negative traits will deter his true believers and the same is true for Saint Sarah.

The conservative base is dwindling, and the number of conservative males who haven't been caught in a sex or money scandal is too, so they tried to wing it and get a mediocre telegenic broad who would hopefully create some buzz and counter Obama's charisma.

But she's too stupid and superficial to govern anything of any substance. Most of her claims about her accomplishments in Alaska are BS, including selling the jet airplane and not OKing the Bridge to Nowhere.

"By your sword you shall live, and your brother you shall serve. But when you become restive, you will cast his yoke from off your neck." Genesis 27:40

I am long in the tooth and Palin is the first VP candidate that to my knowledge has been demeaned by the entire political spectrum, and I cannot explain it.

Palin for some reason sets off the hate button in all shades of politics, really odd.

"By your sword you shall live, and your brother you shall serve. But when you become restive, you will cast his yoke from off your neck." Genesis 27:40

Quayle had potatoe and Biden had FDR on nationwide TV in 1929. Obama had 57 states. They all do it.

Quayle also campaigned at a time when we did not have media consolidation down to a handful of people. There were regulations in place at that time. Today, our mainstream media is nothing but a propaganda machine, hence omission of any salient issues and a love/hate dichotemy that people actually think is meaningful because they are emotionally invested.

Well, comparing her to Dan Quayle is not a bad start. At least you're headed in the right direction.

Now do you see any credibility problems with her being a "Family Values" person with the trailer trash of relatives and unmarried family connections she has around her?

"By your sword you shall live, and your brother you shall serve. But when you become restive, you will cast his yoke from off your neck." Genesis 27:40

Ike was known the world over for having a mistress all during WW2, both were married.

Kennedy, you must be old enough to know his background. He was even recorded in bed with a female German spy by the FBI during WW2.

Johnson said he bedded over a 1000 women, and he became a multi millionaire by being a politician.

Of all the people you mention, little was publicly known about their behavior before they got elected.

Part of being electable - still - is being PR savvy enough to suppress or at least do damage control on, say, the unmarried stud who knocks up your daughter and then poses for Playboy.

Some may hate her but not all do. I dislike her because I detect her as being a hypocrite and a real phony. I do not sense any honor or integrity in this female at all. True, she is pretty attractive which was why she was picked. And the best way to fool the masses is to use the art of attraction to deceive and hoodwink them. Many are falling right into her baittrap. But not me!

There is truth to what she says – the other side is lying when it says there will be no death panels – when they say climate change is going to raise the sea levels ten feet – when they say Obama is a legitimate middle of the road American.

There is going to be change. The earth will change, along with the people inhabiting it. There will be more changes that are going to become more radical and more accelerated as time goes on.

The people who most resist change, who think that someone like Mommy Palin will protect them from needing to adapt, are going to get swept away by it.

Oh YA -- you got that right - only trailer trash has five kids (one of them born a retard too - ha ha)!

Now that you mention it, there is quite a lot of resistance to doing things differently surrounding that enclave and the people who support it.

But I find it quite telling that the best the conservatives can do for leadership in these tumultuous times is a superficial, 40ish female who bounced around between 5 different colleges in 6 years when she was younger.

No, only those who run for some public office and tell American teenage children to abstain from sex, and yet one of her own teenage children gets knocked up while just a baby herself, has no job or means to support that child. Mommy Sarah Palin will take care of helping to raise the unwed and pregnant daughter.

See the problem here is Palin believes she's entitled to tell us how responsible we need to be in raising our children yet, she can do no wrong with hers. It's the game played onto the unattentive masses: Do as I say not do as I do. And that's what makes her out to be a hypocrite. And of course, so much for family values. I mean "family values" is just so outdated to these people it's a joke.

Palin is marketing. She is a public relations phenomenon. She throws just the meat the will evoke the predetermined emotional response and media attention. There is very little substance in the meat that is thrown.

The problem is that people are so conditioned to perception management techniques and propaganda that they buy into every thing Saint Sarah says with emotional zeal.

Yes, there is truth in all propaganda if it is to be effective. Why don't you look at what is omitted? She uses loaded words like "death panels" and look how the masses fall for word manipulation. You fall for it all hook, line and sinker. Climate change or global warming? Ask Frank Luntz--he's the PR genius who coined the term climate change for the purpose of perception managment. He also dubbed the estate tax (which nobody gave a rats ass about for decades) death tax and POOF!! everbody who will never pay a dime or deal with this issue because they are too poor to count suddenly care deeply about the issue. And the serfs never even grasp that they are being manipulated.

Propaganda and public relations is all that is sticking to America's ribs--like super glue. You are an excellent example.

Tell me Sarah's views on salient issues without the use of loaded words. Yes, Sarah is a PR dream and folks are rushing to join the bandwagon!! She is the answer to your desires right? She's plain folk, just like you right? She says all those words that evoke the right emotional response and, by golly, she is the only one saying them.........and this is all simply due to her charisma and has nothing to do with how she is marketed.

I like it that Sarah has little in common with a bunch of pseudo-intellectual North East trash.

You want to see people who knuckle under to the Jewish gutter -- then look at the North East!

For crying out loud, your_neighbor, read the coverage of Saint Sarah speaking on ol' Israel:

As Sarah Palin begins what at least appears to be a testing—if not a parting—of the waters in anticipation of a potential presidential run, she has waded into the murky stuff that is the Israel/Palestine quagmire.

One of the stops on her “Going Rogue” book promotional tour last week was ABC’s “Good Morning America.” Noting that the Obama administration doesn’t want Israel to build any more settlements on what it considers Palestinian territory, interviewer Barbara Walters asked the former Alaska governor/Vice Presidential candidate for her view. Palin’s response.

The politician responded, “I disagree with the Obama administration on that. I believe that the Jewish settlements should be allowed to be expanded upon because the population of Israel is going to grow. More and more Jewish people will be flocking to Israel in the days and weeks and months ahead. And I don’t think that the Obama administration has any right to tell Israel that the Jewish settlements cannot expand.”

More and more Jewish people flocking to Israel? What’s Palin’s source of information? Since 2002—the year in which the major wave of immigration from the former Soviet Union came to an end—there has been a consistent downward trend in immigration to Israel. By 2006, immigration was down to 1980s levels, during which time 9,000-24,000 people immigrated annually. And in 2008, the number was 13,681, representing the lowest ratio of immigrants to Israelis since the establishment of the State – 1.9 immigrants per 1000 residents.

Palin is perhaps not best known for her close allegiance to the facts. (See, for example, her discussion of health care reform this summer, when she claimed that bureaucrats on “Obama’s ‘death panels’” would “decide, based on a subjective judgment…whether [the old and infirm] are worthy of health care.”)

Meanwhile, her declaration that Jews will flock to Israel “in the days and weeks and months ahead”—plainly at odds with statistical trends—has an eerily familiar ring. In fact, it’s entirely consistent with the belief of “Christian Zionists” that a mass ingathering of Jews to Israel is the necessary prerequisite to the battle of good against evil at Armageddon and the Second Coming of Christ. As Pastor John Hagee, founder of Christians United for Israel (CUFI) puts it, “We are racing to the end of time,” and more Jews (who, Christian Zionists believe, will either convert or face perdition) in all of historic Palestine are a key ingredient to fulfillment of that Biblical prophecy.

Indeed, Sarah Palin’s protest that the Obama administration has no right to oppose settlement expansion loudly resonates with the same approach taken by Christian Zionists. This summer, at CUFI’s conference in Washington, Pastor Hagee addressed Prime Minister Netanyahu—who was in Israel—by satellite, proclaiming that 50 million Christians support “Israel’s sovereign right to grow and develop the settlements of Israel as you see fit and not to yield to the pressure of the United States government.”

Barbara Walters, regrettably, failed to explore Palin’s rationale for the bold assertions she made about Jewish migration to Israel and the need for expanded settlements to accommodate the attendant burgeoning population. Religious beliefs might be their source, or they might not. The explanation, though, clearly doesn’t appear in current real world conditions.

It’s troubling to think that Palin’s policy pronouncements on the Middle East might be even remotely motivated by apocalyptic beliefs. Regardless, her support for expanded settlements in the West Bank is, in fact, an aberrant position: in conflict not only with the sound “freeze settlements, two viable and secure states” policy of the Obama administration, but also at odds with the views of every U.S. administration of the past 40 years.

Expanding the settlements, if not a prelude to Armageddon, at a minimum significantly hampers, and perhaps even destroys any remaining prospect for a just and lasting peace between the Israeli and Palestinian peoples. Going rogue in the West Bank is simply too reckless to be funny, or cute.

Michael Felsen is an author, attorney and Treasurer of Workmen’s Circle/Arbeter Ring, a 110-year old communal organization dedicated to Jewish education, culture and social justice, and is President of Boston Workmen’s Circle. More information about the group can be found at http://www.circle.org and http://www.circleboston.org.

Notice the complete omission of substance regarding her position, a mantra is repeated over and over with no logic or reasoning or insight....and this stance is as firm today as it was when she was campaiging with McCain.

Boy hmm, this is hard to figure out - how does this trailer park trash of a women with five babies (one of them a retard no less), who went to 6 collages in five years, get this "words thing" so right without a bunch of East coast Jewish Harvard educated cultural dumpster diving sewer tramps telling her how to do it?

Where do you get the idea she doesn't have anyone handing her scripts to practice?