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Title: Why we can't let Tiger Woods off the hook for alleged affairs with a 'sex addiction' defense
Source: nydailynews.com
URL Source: http://www.nydailynews.com/opinions ... ow_a_tiger_by_his_stripes.html
Published: Dec 9, 2009
Author: S. E. Cupp
Post Date: 2009-12-09 16:01:46 by beyond the sea
Keywords: Woods, Tiger, Perv, Sleazebag
Views: 1399
Comments: 185

In Britain's News of the World - whose editors and readers have such an insatiable appetite for sex scandals that the tabloid is fondly called "Screws of the World" - an addictions manager at North London's Priory Clinic says declaratively of a beleaguered Tiger Woods, "I see him as ill, not bad."

Here it comes. Amid all the sordid details of Tiger's numerous "transgressions," we should now prepare ourselves for a forthcoming announcement by a very somber-looking Woods spokesman, or perhaps even by the golfer himself, that Tiger is, in fact, a sex addict.

We can stop questioning his character, for this - we're being told - is a medical issue. No less an authority than Drew Pinsky, the host of VH1's reality show "Sex Rehab," told "Entertainment Tonight" that "it's safe to say that sex addiction might be part of his problem."

Pinsky and the rest of the world are trying to help us understand what otherwise seems inconceivable: how such a rich, powerful and focused man ("and with such a beautiful wife!" some add, suggesting that ugly wives require no explanation) could risk his reputation, his fortune and his family to play the field with floozies.

We can't let them get away with it.

If the psychologizers win, they will allow brain chemistry, instead of free will, to co-opt habitual infidelity, thus completely and utterly absolving Woods of everything. Including driving barefoot, no doubt.

And thereby absolving the rest of us of our sins. Yes, I said it: sins.

The facts here are pretty simple. Woods made repeated and calculated decisions to deceive and hurt his family. For that he should get no sympathy. Pawning off bad behavior on some nebulous psychosis makes public apologies and professed remorse merely perfunctory, not sincere.

In fact, that sex addiction even has a name (and its own television show) speaks volumes about our culture - and our collective psyche.

The affliction may be real, but it also keeps us from acknowledging the immorality of our actions. After all, we don't call serial killers "murder addicts." Yet, anyway.

Buying into the notion gives us license to embrace a psychology gap that keeps us divorced from our own behavior. Discussing a clinical condition is easier than actual soul-searching. Who needs confession when you can just be absolved through therapy and rehab?

Over the past decade or two, psychologizing of this sort has become big business, crowding out so many basic moral judgments. The intelligentsia has so successfully marginalized morality to the far corners of its collective attics (where it also keeps religion) that the manic and predictable rush to medically explain immoral behavior has built a permanent, Bill Clinton-style wall separating the things we do in our private lives from who we really are.

We saw a similar justification after the Fort Hood massacre, when scores of mental health experts decided from afar that Maj. Nidal Malik Hasan wasn't a hardened terrorist - he was just really, really stressed out from absorbing everyone else's stories of posttraumatic stress.

The Tiger drama is of course worlds apart, in every imaginable way. But the aftermath shares the same frantic search for a simple explanation that does an end run around free will.

And as for Tiger's mental health, sex addiction may just be the tip of the iceberg. In Psychology Today, Stanton Peele writes (with a whiff of that inimitable shrink's humor) that Tiger's success and stamina on the golf course may have predicted his behavior in the bedroom: "Rather than being a sex addict, the same single-mindedness, skill set and gift for robotic calculation that make Tiger Woods the world's greatest golfer make him an avatar of the bedroom."

Amazing: For both his strengths and weaknesses, psychology manages to surgically remove Tiger, a man whose power and wealth have bought him more free will than most of us will ever have, from his own life.

It's hardly a comforting thought. But Peele leaves us with an intriguing question. If we can blame Tiger's troubles on his addictive behavior, why don't we blame his successes on a personality disorder, too?

This man is a golf addict, to be sure - he's downright obsessed. But for that he earns our praise and respect. And tons of money.

Forgive me for sounding old-fashioned. But the best prescription for a long, healthy life isn't pricey rehab, therapy and psychological reprogramming. It's a clear conscience.

secupp@redsecupp.com

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#48. To: beyond the sea (#0)

that Tiger is, in fact, a sex addict.

Maybe so, but I'll bet his sex addiction is a result of his "drug addiction".

Doing what's right isn't always easy but it's always right.

noone222  posted on  2009-12-10   3:24:15 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#49. To: AGAviator (#40)

If she's going to make her living sermonizing about other people's personal behavior behind closed doors, I'd pass.

I suspect that would never be your choice to make.

Cynicom  posted on  2009-12-10   3:27:02 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#50. To: Critter (#18)

I wonder what size cupp?

The girl has what I would refer to as ....... pleasant breasts. Just right. She's in great shape.

She is a classically trained ballet dancer and danced for the Ellicott City Ballet, Washington Ballet and Boston Ballet for a decade. In her spare time, she is a hunter and a fan of NASCAR. --- Wiki

beyond the sea  posted on  2009-12-10   3:27:30 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#51. To: Cynicom, Lod (#19)

My gripe is making the bed every day, just to have to unmake it each evening.

---------

Olde grouch. I make mine every morning, first thing I do. I sleep on one side, the cat on the other.

Tell the cat to make her side of the bed then.

;-)

beyond the sea  posted on  2009-12-10   3:30:13 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#52. To: christine, X-15 (#35)

well, i think you'd find more things, than not, where men and women have the same weaknesses and temptations. ;)

men and women have the same weaknesses and temptations

****

beyond the sea  posted on  2009-12-10   3:38:18 ET  (1 image) Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#53. To: noone222 (#48)

Maybe so, but I'll bet his sex addiction is a result of his "drug addiction".

Hmmm.

Which drug would do that to him?

beyond the sea  posted on  2009-12-10   3:39:46 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#54. To: Original_Intent, christine (#33)

It was hard to do but I have a stiff resolve.

....... well conditioned resolve you got there.

beyond the sea  posted on  2009-12-10   3:41:57 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#55. To: AGAviator (#39)

Woods never took any money from people by pretending to follow any particular code of conduct.

That is not completely or even close to true.

beyond the sea  posted on  2009-12-10   3:43:36 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#56. To: AGAviator (#39)

He is still one of the best golfers in the world, presuming distractions in his personal life don't make him lose his proficiency.

I believe he is going to be a less "proficient" golfer for some time in the near future.

beyond the sea  posted on  2009-12-10   3:45:11 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#57. To: AGAviator (#40)

If she's going to make her living sermonizing about other people's personal behavior behind closed doors, I'd pass.

I'm sure she'd be pleased at "your passing".

beyond the sea  posted on  2009-12-10   3:47:43 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#58. To: beyond the sea (#53)

Which drug would do that to him?

Meth.

Doing what's right isn't always easy but it's always right.

noone222  posted on  2009-12-10   3:49:36 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#59. To: echo5sierra (#4)

If she isn't married yet, some man somewhere is not doing his job.

Here's another nice picture of her.

beyond the sea  posted on  2009-12-10   3:54:17 ET  (1 image) Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#60. To: noone222, christine (#58)

Which drug would do that to him?

-------

Meth

I don't think that was his drug of choice.

I think Tiger's "sex drug" is just adulation.

beyond the sea  posted on  2009-12-10   3:56:29 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#61. To: christine, mel_living, palo verde (#35)

...... those were the good old days.

beyond the sea  posted on  2009-12-10   4:18:41 ET  (1 image) Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#62. To: All (#61)

She's way too nice for this guy.

beyond the sea  posted on  2009-12-10   4:27:40 ET  (1 image) Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#63. To: All (#59)

http://nbcsports.msnbc.com/id/34351690/ns/sports/

Elin reportedly wants to save marriage to Tiger

'She loves him and she is devastated over learning of his philandering'

While more details surface about Tiger Woods's reported dalliances, the golf great's Swedish-born wife, Elin Nordegren, has yet to speak about the scandal or give any hint of her distress – beyond a frantic 911 call after her mother collapsed at Woods's Florida home Tuesday.

But several sources close to the couple tell PEOPLE Nordegren, 29, was genuinely shocked by her husband's reported infidelities, and is now in deep discussions with him to see if their marriage can be saved. “She loves him and she is totally devastated over learning of his philandering,” one source close to Nordegren says. “She honestly did not know he was cheating on her.”

The same source says Nordegren questioned Woods about rumors that he was having affairs, but believed his denials. "It is sort of sad that all of the golfers knew about Tiger’s cheating throughout his marriage while poor Elin believed his lies when he told her he was not seeing any other women when on the road for days at a time,” the source says. "Now that it has hit her over the head, she is going to make the best decision for her and the kids.” Story continues below ?advertisement | your ad here

A smart, athletic student who passed up the chance to study child psychology in Sweden to become a nanny in the U.S., Nordegren tried hard not to lose herself in her husband's fame. But everything changed after Woods’s Nov. 27 car crash. Since then, says a source inside Woods’s camp, the couple have discussed the full breadth of Woods's infidelities. "She knows everything," says the source.

beyond the sea  posted on  2009-12-10   4:31:13 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#64. To: Cynicom (#2)

Woods and others circumvent the law by buying what a poor man could not have. (or want)

Eeenie Meenie Miney Mo

Catch a Tiger With His Ho

When it’s over take half his Dough

Eeenie Meenie Miney Mo

****

beyond the sea  posted on  2009-12-10   4:37:45 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#65. To: beyond the sea (#63)

I think it's pretty safe to say that no one here has quite the same potential as a target for every temptation under the sun as "billionaire" Tiger Woods.

Being a super star golfer, super rich, young and considered attractive can make resistance nearly impossible.

Money and fame can be very destructive.

Doing what's right isn't always easy but it's always right.

noone222  posted on  2009-12-10   5:27:09 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#66. To: noone222 (#65)

Being a super star golfer, super rich, young and considered attractive can make resistance nearly impossible.

Yes you are right there, but may I add that the most important word in that sentence is "nearly".

And beyond the temptation that fame and riches presents to some men, there is one thing about this story that pretty much sickens me, it sickens me and has me feeling very badly for the wife, Elin.

There are quotes from at least three of his "conquests" out there in the news and on the internet which basically have him telling his girlies .......... "Damn, I'm glad I found you ...... sex with my wife is pretty crappy." (or) "Don't you know that our marriage is just for show?"

How do you think that makes the wife feel?

****

I don't care how rich and famous you are, if you cannot keep that kind of talk from your young wife's ears ...... you are simply a DIRT BAG.

Tiger Woods is a DIRT BAG.

beyond the sea  posted on  2009-12-10   7:02:10 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#67. To: All, christine, mel_living, palo verde, echo5sierra, noone222, Original_Intent, Critter, Lod, Samuel Gray, sneakypete, RickyJ, farmfriend, X-15 (#63)

..... she is waaaay too decent for this guy.

****

http://nbcsports.msnbc.com/id/34351690/ns/sports/

Elin reportedly wants to save marriage to Tiger

'She loves him and she is devastated over learning of his philandering'

*************

Much more importantly:

Obama's Carbon Commissars

New York Post

(snip) --

Who needs Congress to help govern America? Not the Obama administration, it seems. At the UN Climate Control conference in Copenhagen yesterday, Environmental Protection Agency head Lisa Jackson said that she wants to work with Congress to contain carbon emissions that her agency claims are "dangerous." "This is not an either/or moment. This is a both/and moment," Jackson said. Consider that the velvet glove covering the administration's extremist fist -- which had itself been revealed a day earlier in Washington. An Obama staffer -- speaking anonymously, of course -- told Fox News: "If [Congress doesn't] pass [emissions-control] legislation . . . the EPA is going to have to regulate in this area. And it is not going to be able to regulate in a market-based way, so it's going to have to regulate in a command-and-control way."

****

http://market-ticker.org/archives/1717-Ill-Hold-You-Down-And.....html

I'll Hold You Down And.... ... pour used oil in your mouth.

Well, not literally. But Congress might, if the EPA doesn't cut this crap out: The Obama administration is warning Congress that if it doesn't move to regulate greenhouse gases, the Environmental Protection Agency will take a "command-and-control" role over the process in a way that could hurt business. The warning, from a top White House economic official who spoke Tuesday on condition of anonymity, came on the eve of EPA Administrator Lisa Jackson's address to the international conference on climate change in Copenhagen, Denmark. Oh really? Did you forget, Lisa, where your operating budget comes from? That would be Congress. Guess who can close your agency - in an afternoon? That would be Congress. Threatening them - assuming this isn't just more kabuki theater intended to divert public anger from the skull- that is about to be served upon them - is rather unwise. Should this not be just another game of misdirection and should Congress (e.g. Sensenbrenner and other reasonable minds on The Capitol - clearly in the minority, but heh, there are a few) decide that your pie hole makes a good used oil receptacle I'll drain my CO2-producing boat engines just to make sure they have plenty to use for this purpose. I wouldn't want the dirty oil to be in them, you know.....

****

beyond the sea  posted on  2009-12-10   7:12:35 ET  (1 image) Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#68. To: beyond the sea (#0)

A vast majority of what we label "addiction" is in fact nothing more than rude, inconsiderate, narcissistic and boorish behavior. Very few things are addictive. Unfortunately we live in the age of the buzzword and arm-chair psychologist.

Tiger had sex with a bajillion women because he could and he liked it and was too full of himself to care about how it might impact others like his wife and children. He's an asshole, not an addict.

Addiction should be confined to the realms of true chemical dependence and true mental disorders, and it is a damned shame that so many buy into the whole faux addiction model these days.

MapQuest really needs to start their directions on #5. Pretty sure I know how to get out of my neighborhood.

SonOfLiberty  posted on  2009-12-10   9:16:42 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#69. To: christine, beyond the sea (#22)

Women can be dazzled by a lot less than a billion dollars.

men too

You don't even need money to dazzle men - just one or two things - good food and as BTS continues to remind us, good looks. Men are so simple. ;-)

Happy Birthday, Jesus! Merry Christmas to everyone!

mel_living  posted on  2009-12-10   9:24:14 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#70. To: mel_living (#69)

You don't even need money to dazzle men - just one or two things - good food and as BTS continues to remind us, good looks. Men are so simple. ;-)

Well, not quite. A good attitude is required as well. Guys don't like flaming bitches, even nice looking ones that can cook. Well, I don't at least.

Men are no more nor less simple than women, women just think they're complex because they sit around gabbing with each other 24/7 about their utter and indisputable wonderfulness. Truth be told, they have few real needs to be met, one simply has to frame the meeting of those needs in different ways to create the perception of complexity. My opinion, women's supposed complexity is due to women's own confusion about their own needs, combined with an emotion driven world view that, were a man to try it, would find him comitted to an insane asylum in an instant.

MapQuest really needs to start their directions on #5. Pretty sure I know how to get out of my neighborhood.

SonOfLiberty  posted on  2009-12-10   9:39:24 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#71. To: SonOfLiberty (#70)

My needs are simple. It starts with good food and wine.

Yes - you are correct on the bitchiness part. Men don't like that - nor do they like gossip and all the drama that comes with it. Not real men anyway.

Happy Birthday, Jesus! Merry Christmas to everyone!

mel_living  posted on  2009-12-10   9:48:19 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#72. To: christine, All (#35)

Tiger Woods Holiday Poem

Twas the night of Thanksgiving and out of the house

Tiger Woods he came flying, chased by his spouse.

She wielded a nine iron and wasn’t too merry,

Because a bimbo’s phone number she found on his blackberry.

He’d been cheating on poor little Elin,

And as each day went by another whore came out squealing.

He’d been on Holly, on Jaimee, on Rachel, on Cori,

On Joselyn, and Kalika, TMZ had the story.

From the top of the world to above the fold,

Tiger’s ever more sorted tale, it was told.

With hostesses, waitresses, he had lots of sex,

And when he wasn’t hosing them, he sent them hot texts.

He crashed his Caddy, but didn’t call OnStar,

Yet he played “spank me daddy” with a skanky old porn star.

He’s been naughty, so with Santa he hasn’t a chance,

Except the big lump of coal that matches the lump in his pants.

But despite all his crying and begging and pleading,

Tiger’s wife went right out, bought a new home in Sweden.

And I heard her exclaim as she packed up the Escalade,

If you’re going to get laid, then I’m going to get paid.

Now she’s not pouting, in fact she’s of good cheer,

Because her prenup made Christmas come early this year.

TwentyTwelve  posted on  2009-12-10   10:47:33 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#73. To: TwentyTwelve (#72)

funny ;)

christine  posted on  2009-12-10   10:52:59 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#74. To: SonOfLiberty (#68)

A vast majority of what we label "addiction" is in fact nothing more than rude, inconsiderate, narcissistic and boorish behavior. Very few things are addictive. Unfortunately we live in the age of the buzzword and arm-chair psychologist.

Tiger had sex with a bajillion women because he could and he liked it and was too full of himself to care about how it might impact others like his wife and children. He's an asshole, not an addict.

Addiction should be confined to the realms of true chemical dependence and true mental disorders, and it is a damned shame that so many buy into the whole faux addiction model these days.

A vast majority of what we label "addiction" is in fact nothing more than rude, inconsiderate, narcissistic and boorish behavior. Very few things are addictive. Unfortunately we live in the age of the buzzword and arm-chair psychologist. --- yes.

Tiger had sex with a bajillion women because he could and he liked it and was too full of himself to care about how it might impact others like his wife and children. He's an asshole, not an addict. --- Yes..... he is a major league *sshole. I hope his wife leaves him soon because she will never love him the way she had in the past. Every time he may wish to "make love" to her in the future, she will never feel at all the same about it. (jmo)

Addiction should be confined to the realms of true chemical dependence and true mental disorders, and it is a damned shame that so many buy into the whole faux addiction model these days. --- Agreed.

beyond the sea  posted on  2009-12-10   11:18:38 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#75. To: mel_living, christine (#69)

Just one second ....

I appreciate an attractive woman ....... but I really love an intelligent attractive woman.

beyond the sea  posted on  2009-12-10   11:21:42 ET  (1 image) Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#76. To: SonOfLiberty, mel_living (#70)

Well, not quite. A good attitude is required as well. Guys don't like flaming bitches, even nice looking ones that can cook. Well, I don't at least.

Men are no more nor less simple than women, women just think they're complex because they sit around gabbing with each other 24/7 about their utter and indisputable wonderfulness. Truth be told, they have few real needs to be met, one simply has to frame the meeting of those needs in different ways to create the perception of complexity. My opinion, women's supposed complexity is due to women's own confusion about their own needs, combined with an emotion driven world view that, were a man to try it, would find him comitted to an insane asylum in an instant.

A good attitude is required as well. Guys don't like flaming bitches, even nice looking ones that can cook. ---- yes.

Men are no more nor less simple than women, women just think they're complex because they sit around gabbing with each other 24/7 about their utter and indisputable wonderfulness. ----lol

My opinion, women's supposed complexity is due to women's own confusion about their own needs, combined with an emotion driven world view that, were a man to try it, would find him comitted to an insane asylum in an instant. --- LOL, right.

beyond the sea  posted on  2009-12-10   11:24:19 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#77. To: TwentyTwelve (#72)

........ not bad.

beyond the sea  posted on  2009-12-10   11:26:40 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#78. To: beyond the sea (#67)

When, oh when, will white women learn that ultimate happiness is NOT to be found in the arms of a rich nigger/mulatto sports jock? Wasn't O.J. Simpson the definitive bottom line to all this miscegenation nonsense??

_________________________________________________________________________
"This man is Jesus,” shouted one man, spilling his Guinness as Barack Obama began his inaugural address. “When will he come to Kenya to save us?”

“The best and first guarantor of our neutrality and our independent existence is the defensive will of the people…and the proverbial marksmanship of the Swiss shooter. Each soldier a good marksman! Each shot a hit!”
-Schweizerische Schuetzenzeitung (Swiss Shooting Federation) April, 1941

X-15  posted on  2009-12-10   11:27:19 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#79. To: SonOfLiberty (#70)

..women's own confusion about their own needs, combined with an emotion driven world view that, were a man to try it, would find him comitted to an insane asylum in an instant.

QFT.

_________________________________________________________________________
"This man is Jesus,” shouted one man, spilling his Guinness as Barack Obama began his inaugural address. “When will he come to Kenya to save us?”

“The best and first guarantor of our neutrality and our independent existence is the defensive will of the people…and the proverbial marksmanship of the Swiss shooter. Each soldier a good marksman! Each shot a hit!”
-Schweizerische Schuetzenzeitung (Swiss Shooting Federation) April, 1941

X-15  posted on  2009-12-10   11:29:43 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#80. To: mel_living, christine (#69)

You don't even need money to dazzle men -

but ....... you do need:

....... daisies.

****

beyond the sea  posted on  2009-12-10   11:46:26 ET  (1 image) Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#81. To: X-15 (#78)

When, oh when, will white women learn that ultimate happiness is NOT to be found in the arms of a rich nigger/mulatto sports jock? Wasn't O.J. Simpson the definitive bottom line to all this miscegenation nonsense??

That's just a little too simple ..... but I get your drift.

beyond the sea  posted on  2009-12-10   11:47:34 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#82. To: beyond the sea (#80)

_________________________________________________________________________
"This man is Jesus,” shouted one man, spilling his Guinness as Barack Obama began his inaugural address. “When will he come to Kenya to save us?”

“The best and first guarantor of our neutrality and our independent existence is the defensive will of the people…and the proverbial marksmanship of the Swiss shooter. Each soldier a good marksman! Each shot a hit!”
-Schweizerische Schuetzenzeitung (Swiss Shooting Federation) April, 1941

X-15  posted on  2009-12-10   11:56:03 ET  (1 image) Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#83. To: X-15 (#82)

Every woman loves a Dickens Cider

LOL

.......... except Janet Reno and Hillary Clinton (etc.).

:-)

beyond the sea  posted on  2009-12-10   12:03:58 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#84. To: beyond the sea (#66)

There are quotes from at least three of his "conquests" out there in the news and on the internet which basically have him telling his girlies .......... "Damn, I'm glad I found you ...... sex with my wife is pretty crappy." (or) "Don't you know that our marriage is just for show?"

How do you think that makes the wife feel?

I'm thinking that's going to take some splainin'.

Good thing she is a whore that was hired to stick around,huh?

sneakypete  posted on  2009-12-10   12:30:34 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#85. To: SonOfLiberty (#68)

Tiger had sex with a bajillion women because he could and he liked it and was too full of himself to care about how it might impact others like his wife and children. He's an asshole, not an addict.

Absolutely! So far he has had sex with two different porn stars that we know of,and there is likely to be more pop up before it's all over.

These women have unprotected sex with anything and everything several times a day,and are almost walking EPA bio-hazard sites. If his wife doesn't cut him off for at least 6 months while she has every test known to mankind done to both herself and him,she is nuts.

sneakypete  posted on  2009-12-10   12:34:33 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#86. To: sneakypete (#84)

Good thing she is a whore that was hired to stick around,huh?

You sound like a real *sshole saying that.

Only the people close to you MAY know whether you are a demented *sshole or not. But, for now .......... you appear just to be an ugly cynic on Elin's actual nature.

For one ..... I am disappointed in your sorry, jaded personality.

I know you are better than this.

beyond the sea  posted on  2009-12-10   12:53:13 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#87. To: sneakypete, SonOfLiberty (#85)

These women have unprotected sex with anything and everything several times a day,and are almost walking EPA bio-hazard sites.

EPA bio-hazard sites ---- and they fart too (carbon credits please)

beyond the sea  posted on  2009-12-10   12:55:52 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  



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