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Title: OBAMA TO AMERICAN WORKERS: DROP DEAD!
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Marietta Daily Journal
URL Source: http://thedustininmansociety.org/blog/?p=2789
Published: Dec 16, 2009
Author: DA King
Post Date: 2009-12-16 10:48:32 by mel_living
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Views: 568
Comments: 60
D.A. King Warning to Obama: Another amnesty not the answer Yesterday Congressman Luis Gutierrez (D-Ill.) introduced legislation in the U.S. House of Representatives to reward the hordes of illegal aliens who made it past our Border Patrol Agents with legalization, jobs, public benefits and eventually the right to vote as citizens. With the open borders lobby57;s usual shameless contempt for the intellect of the American people, Gutierrez is calling his bill 60;Comprehensive Immigration Reform for America57;s Security and Prosperity.61; The 2010 battle for repeating the 60;one-time61; amnesty of 1986 has begun. Don57;t expect the legislation to receive nearly as much attention from the media as Tiger Woods57; love life. The hope is that we are too busy to remember that President Obama promised to deliver amnesty as part of his 60;Hope and Change61; election campaign - or to consider that nagging detail about America57;s raging unemployment crisis. The contrived talking point is that legalizing the current batch of job thieves would result in a 60;boon to American workers61; and somehow 60;strengthen our economy.61; I am not making this up. America57;s unemployment rate dipped from 10.2 percent in October to 10 percent in November. Many economists put the actual unemployment rate at 17 percent. Using the most positive figures, about 16 million Americans are out of work. While monitoring CNN last week, I heard a reporter tell viewers that there are at least six applicants for each available job. One pundit puts it this way: 60;Unemployment isn57;t just worse than Obama said it would be with the stimulus. It57;s even worse than he said it would be without the stimulus.61; In addition to his recent 60;jobs summit61; designed to get ideas on how to cut unemployment, the president has publicly promised to pursue 60;every additional and responsible step61; to get America back to work. Except, apparently, to stem the flow of illegal immigration and to remove the black market replacement labor from the workforce. Obama could put about 8 million Americans in jobs next week if he would only enthusiastically enforce existing immigration and employment laws. As a long-time American who studies the organized crime that is illegal immigration - which is directly related to U.S. unemployment (it is also directly related to national security, education, health care, public benefits, wasted tax dollars and the rule of law 70; but that is another column) - let me share some facts Gutierrez and Obama hope you will never see. You are supposed to believe the fairy tale that our borders have been secured. The U.S. Border Patrol apprehended 556,040 new 60;undocumented workers61; illegally crossing our borders in Fiscal Year 2009, which ended Sept. 30. Optimistic official estimates are one in four or five illegal alien border crossers are captured at the border. Do the math. Statistics from U.S. Immigration and Customs Enforcement reveal significant drops in work site enforcement activity since last year. Administrative alien arrests (arrests of illegal aliens who will be placed into deportation proceedings) have dropped 68 percent. Nationwide, criminal arrests are down 60 percent, criminal indictments have fallen 58 percent and criminal convictions are down 63 percent. Revealing his disregard for the American worker, Obama has rescinded the Bush administration57;s common sense 60;No-Match Rule61; in which the Social Security Administration sent letters to employers when employees57; names and Social Security numbers fail to match. The program required employers to take action - including termination - if notified that their employees did not have legal immigration status. So much change 70; in only one year! In a November press release reflecting the view of the majority of Americans, Georgia57;s U.S. Sens. Saxby Chambliss and Johnny Isakson criticized the Obama administration57;s intent to push amnesty this way: 60;Americans want to work; rewarding illegal aliens with the right to hold jobs will not improve the chances Americans have of finding jobs, paying their mortgages, and feeding their families. Therefore, we strongly encourage you to cease any discussion about enacting a legalization program that will only hurt U.S. workers and make it harder for law abiding citizens to weather this economic downturn.61; There will never be a time when another amnesty is the answer, including in the current economic downturn and jobs shortage. The amnesty of 1986 actually increased illegal immigration and illegal employment. It would have the same result today. D.A. King of Marietta, a nationally recognized authority on illegal immigration, is president of the Cobb-based Dustin Inman Society. On the Web: www.TheDustinInmanSociety
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#1. To: mel_living (#0)
Start the rumor that we will have a draft by spring. Watch the beaners flood south of the border and the Jews run north of the border. Unemployment solved.
Hehehehehehe. :)
Avoiding foreign entanglements is the best domestic policy.
If for one moment you think I am a Cynical olde bastard, you are quite right. I believe in cutting right to the chase when it is not a personal thing. That would make me Cynicob instead of Cynicom. I dont know but what I prefer Cynicob.
As I have said before, there are at least 50 to 100 million Americans who are unemployable even at the current minimum wage. Technology and automation has progressed to the level at which many tasks once performed by humans are no longer available for humans to draw checks from doing. Add "outsourcing" to that and you have a huge societal mess. There now REALLY ARE tens of millions of useless eaters and capitalism's answer to this is much like Dick Cheney's famous quote, "So?" Robert Reich Confirms Permanent Destruction of Jobs in America
“I would give no thought of what the world might say of me, if I could only transmit to posterity the reputation of an honest man.” - Sam Houston
Sam... What am I to do with you????? Useless eater by any stretch of the imagination, even yours, is elitism at its extreme. To see you write such, makes me cringe.
By what standard? Most of those would be kids and elderly, who by definition are not employable the way we think of employment, and no matter that they are not useless. Incorrect. The answer of the free market is "start your own business" or "educate yourself and take up another profession". The free market (aka capitalism) of course, isn't even being asked the question, given as we don't have a free market or capitalism and are instead running, at best, on a heavy mercantilist design and probably more realistically, in a more fascist/socialist economy.
MapQuest really needs to start their directions on #5. Pretty sure I know how to get out of my neighborhood.
Not only that he got the quote wrong. That warm hearted Psychopath Henry the K coined the term "useless eaters" to describe all of us Plebes. It was recorded on a bootleg tape from one of his addresses to the, just ask Rush, nonexistent Bilderberg Society.
"An education isn't how much you have committed to memory, or even how much you know. It's being able to differentiate between what you know and what you don't. ~ Anatole France
I can't speak for the others but, that's why I like ya!
"What country can preserve its liberties if its rulers are not warned from time to time that its people preserve the spirit of resistance? Let them take arms....The tree of liberty must be refreshed from time to time with the blood of patriots and tyrants." Thomas Jefferson
Actually the correct term for what we have, and have had since the "teens" of the last century is "Crony Capitalism". A system whereby success is achieved not through production or "building a better mouse trap" but through connections and insider information (not what you can do but who you do know - look at Blackwater/Xe/KBR/Enron/Goldmine Sacks). It is now building toward, rapidly, a super-socialist/fascist totalitarianism that will make Lenin and Stalin's USSR look like playtime at the Pre-School.
"An education isn't how much you have committed to memory, or even how much you know. It's being able to differentiate between what you know and what you don't. ~ Anatole France
No, I think the correct term is Mercantilism. One can have Crony Capitalism in a fully private sense (good old boys network, sans politicians). When "who you know" becomes "what Senator can give you legal favors" then you've crossed the line into Mercantilism with the heading set straight for a future port of fascism. Adam Smith went into great detail about mercantilism, and it seems to perfectly describe even what we can laughingly refer to as the "best" left of our system. Most of what we have now, on a macro scale (large industry/finance), has recently went full bore into fascism (government-private co-ops, such as the auto industry, banking bailouts, etc).
MapQuest really needs to start their directions on #5. Pretty sure I know how to get out of my neighborhood.
The two are closely related, the key difference between the two involves the use of political power. Under Mercantilism Laws are Written and enforced which tend to favor established business interests. Under Crony Capitalism the success of an activity is founded upon one's connections and is unrelated to any real or perceived merit of the activity or product. Mercantilists may actually produce a valuable final product but are seeking protection from competition and thus the ability to extract a higher profit margin from the sale of their product. Crony Capitalism is basically not just "the old boys network" but the principle that those who have the connections get the gold. Under Crony Capitalism success is unrelated to the actual production of any valuable good or service. A couple of references: MSN Encarta Dictionary Online: cro·ny cap·i·tal·ism noun enrichment of well-connected: the flow of wealth to a small group of people who are already wealthy and well connected From the Financial Times Lexicon: crony capitalism This mechanism is clearly at work in the funneling of the contents of the U.S. Treasury to the likes of Goldman Sachs, Citi Group, etc., ...
"An education isn't how much you have committed to memory, or even how much you know. It's being able to differentiate between what you know and what you don't. ~ Anatole France
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I might add that another apt term for out current government is Kleptocracy (a government of and for thieves). From the Merriam Webster online: Main Entry: klep·toc·ra·cy : government by those who seek chiefly status and personal gain at the expense of the governed; also : a particular government of this kind — klep·to·crat Èklep-tY-Ìkrat noun — klep·to·crat·ic Ìklep-tY-Èkra-tik adjective
"An education isn't how much you have committed to memory, or even how much you know. It's being able to differentiate between what you know and what you don't. ~ Anatole France
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Watch the beaners flood south of the border and the Jews run north of the border. Unemployment solved. If only. The beaners largely aren't registered and even if they would be, what would be the thing making them comply as they seem to evade compliance from everything from taxes to laws otherwise. The last thing we want is an army composed of foreigners who are loyal first, foremost, and always to the Paymaster - not the principles upon which this nation was founded nor its Constitution. I fear that is exactly what our would be masters and mistresses have in mind.
"An education isn't how much you have committed to memory, or even how much you know. It's being able to differentiate between what you know and what you don't. ~ Anatole France
Am I right in thinking you are now unemployable and therefore a useless eater by the standards of a capitalistic society? I am not being elitist. I am asking whether there is a "market" for your skills, which is the capitalistic way, which, as the "teabaggers" reminded us last summer, is THE WAY we ought to go economically, as any policy other than that is SOCIALISM! I am using the words of the conservative movement here and asking you conservatives if you are really willing to live by the standards you preach.
“I would give no thought of what the world might say of me, if I could only transmit to posterity the reputation of an honest man.” - Sam Houston
Why would you denigrate an anti tax, anti Obama, anti big government movement with a term used by queers and leftists?
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Had I not seen with my own eyes a guy in his late 60s walking around our courthouse square dressed as a gigantic tea bag last spring and summer, I probably wouldn't use that term. I had no idea of the other meaning at the time and I'm quite sure he didn't either. You hit the nail on the head though with the use of term "anti." These people know how to be against stuff with a passion. But very few have any solutions, especially for the economy. If they do, it's likely to be "cut taxes, start more wars, blah, blah, blah." Stuff that's already been tried — repeatedly. It's very likely that "we" have just reached the "inflection point" (perhaps more aptly termed "implosion point") of American imperial history (the ZioUSUK Empire, as I call what the neocons have constructed) and it is just OVER — permanently. Survivalism blogs may be where "we" should be spending more time these days.
“I would give no thought of what the world might say of me, if I could only transmit to posterity the reputation of an honest man.” - Sam Houston
I'm glad you aren't calling the women and children teabaggers. We both know the homosexual act the name implies, and who uses it against the -anti people (left- wing s'bags). It would have been grossly unfair of you not to admit your poor choice of words. The solutions to our economic mess is to be anti big government, anti taxation and anti Obama, so in that respect the folks I met at the rally I attended have it dead on.
I call it the "Critical Threshold" - the point where an idea or technology really begins to take off. One can see this in operation historically, but usually only in retrospect. Like anything in "Chaos Theory" it is unpredictable - the "hundredth monkey". We are reaching a tipping point and we are going to hit it within the next year or two at most. Again it will only be viewable as such after the fact. However, I do think we will come out, in the end and not without pain, to the better. The forces of history are complex and simple at the same time, and as has been observed (by Ambrose Bierce if I recall) "When it is Train Time it is Train Time", and not before. Meaning simply that there is nothing more powerful than an idea whose time has come and it will not come before its time. Brother Gregor Mendel established the basics of Genetics 100 years before it became accepted. When the Steam Engine caught on it rapidly, within 20 years, brought industrial production from a trickle to a tsunami. All of the graphs of industrial production go almost straight up in the years following its introduction. Social revolutions act much the same way. They build slowly over time climbing ever so slowly until something almost magical happens and like one ice crystal to two to three, to a million occurs almost over night.
"An education isn't how much you have committed to memory, or even how much you know. It's being able to differentiate between what you know and what you don't. ~ Anatole France
I know nothing of sexual acts. Seriously. I'm a hermit and an ascetic, in terms of lifestyle, and had NEVER EVEN HEARD the term, much less what it meant until I saw the guy walking around dressed like a tea bag two blocks from here and learned of his movement.
“I would give no thought of what the world might say of me, if I could only transmit to posterity the reputation of an honest man.” - Sam Houston
Strict capitalists hate merchantilism because it didn't (historically at least) involve the creation of capital out of thin air, while requiring the use of a myth as the basis for the currency valuation. OR require a certain amount of inflation or the whole system would collapse like a house of cards. It required a capital source that was tangible like metals, and of course most capitalists find that too confining. And that trade balances would favor this country and not the rest of the world. Too nonglobalist for the taste of most current capitalists. And it led to wars and the opening up of frontiers to find new sources of capital. Too nasty and dirty for most capitalists. Even though some say that oil is really the current tangible capital source.
The beaners and others including lots of Filipinos can get citizenship just by enlisting and serving. I have known many Filipino servicemen and women recruited right from the Philipines. They were later moved lock stock and barrel at taxpayer expense to the US with low cost mortgages and car loans, and often free or discounted schooling in the trade of their choice. Often with the promise of a guaranteed job for the first year.
I've never, ever, not once suggested that there are in essence "painless" ways to address our issues. You have instead stated that because there are no painless ways, you choose to throw up the white flag and we should too. I have and have always heald, and you can go back and re-read that thread, that there are always *options*. I have *never* claimed that they were painless, in fact I explicitly claimed the opposite is the reality in most cases.
MapQuest really needs to start their directions on #5. Pretty sure I know how to get out of my neighborhood.
If I lived in a land of 80 to 100 million insurgents, all heavily armed and indistinguishable from the rest of the population, many of whom also have/had the same military training as my own protectors, many of whom actually manufacture and fully understand the same complex weapon systems that I'm counting on, you bet your ass I'd listen. I value my life and my family's life after all, I'd be a fool not to.
MapQuest really needs to start their directions on #5. Pretty sure I know how to get out of my neighborhood.
You don't have to be trained much beyond basic arithmatic to be able to buy and sell things, or make things and sell them. Thomas Edison had zero training in starting a business, as did the grocer he probably went to down the street for his food, once upon a time. I see a fundamental difference between us. Though I like you, I do not subscribe to the words "can't" and "give up" and "impossible". My (our?) generation spent a lot of time sulking around from the late 80's through the early 2000's in a funk that many still need to shake off. It's about time we shook it off, squared our shoulders, and stopped being so damned negative. We have all the power in the world and we're convinced we're powerless. How sad is that? GenX needs to get itself bitch slapped and woken up, if you ask me. :)
MapQuest really needs to start their directions on #5. Pretty sure I know how to get out of my neighborhood.
Another key distinction between Mercantilism and Crony Capitalism/Kleptocracy.
"An education isn't how much you have committed to memory, or even how much you know. It's being able to differentiate between what you know and what you don't. ~ Anatole France
I suspect that the truth of the situation lay between both of our observations. Historians are going to have coin a new term for what we've been creating as an economic system. It's a huge messed up mixture of pretty much every bad economic system known (CC, mercantilism, fascism, socialism).
MapQuest really needs to start their directions on #5. Pretty sure I know how to get out of my neighborhood.
Upon that we can most definitely agree.
"An education isn't how much you have committed to memory, or even how much you know. It's being able to differentiate between what you know and what you don't. ~ Anatole France
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Which has nothing to do with your charge that I said anything would be "painless". Ergo, you've committed a non sequitur, and further, have not rescinded your charge against me that was false. Don't be so condescending Eric. Because you don't grasp anything I'm saying doesn't necessarily mean it's my fault. How does the saying go? When you point a finger at others you have four fingers pointing at yourself? I "get" your strategy. I "get" the notion of "surrender and bow". I reject it. I also don't subscribe to your view that we need written plans, logistics and a "leader", however, the government agrees with you on that, which is why they won't see anything coming when it does. That's fine. They don't know how to handle insurgents in Iraq or Afghanistan either. They couldn't hash out how to deal with Vietnamese insurgents either. They're impotent when they can't work in their preferred paradigm. If you share it with them that's your choice. But don't presume to condescend to me that I don't "know my own thoughts" and "cannot articulate them". That's insulting to say the least. You are not delivering wisdom from on high to the unwashed heathens, kid.
MapQuest really needs to start their directions on #5. Pretty sure I know how to get out of my neighborhood.
Do you even bother to read my posts except for choice sentences to try and refute? I'm starting to think that you don't. I've stated, and restated, until my fingers have gone numb, that it's not about "griping and protesting" alone. You fail to grasp that.
MapQuest really needs to start their directions on #5. Pretty sure I know how to get out of my neighborhood.
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Watch the beaners flood south of the border and the Jews run north of the border. Hardly. It will encourage additional immigrants, as they arrive to take the place of those Americans who play by the rules. After all, Selective Service is computerized. Only if the US Army were to use the techniques of the British Navy's press gangs would the undocumented be at risk.
A trillion here, a trillion there, soon you're not talking real money
You have no idea how many men in their 30s and 40s are drawing SSI or disability. And it is not from military service.
A trillion here, a trillion there, soon you're not talking real money
1781-1800? James Watt, the son of a merchant, was born in Greenock, Scotland, in 1736. At the age of nineteen Watt was sent to Glasgow to learn the trade of a mathematical-instrument maker. After spending a year in London, Watt returned to Glasgow in 1757 where he established his own instrument-making business. Watt soon developed a reputation as a high quality engineer and was employed on the Forth & Clyde Canal and the Caledonian Canal. He was also engaged in the improvement of harbours and in the deepening of the Forth, Clyde and other rivers in Scotland. In 1763 Watt was sent a Newcomen steam engine to repair. While putting it back into working order, Watt discovered how he could make the engine more efficient. Watt worked on the idea for several months and eventually produced a steam engine that cooled the used steam in a condenser separate from the main cylinder. James Watt was not a wealthy man so he decided to seek a partner with money. John Roebuck, the owner of a Scottish ironworks, agreed to provide financial backing for Watt's project. When Roebuck went bankrupt in 1773, Watt took his ideas to Matthew Boulton, a successful businessman from Birmingham. For the next eleven years Boulton's factory produced and sold Watt's steam-engines. These machines were mainly sold to colliery owners who used them to pump water from their mines. Watt's machine was very popular because it was four times more powerful than those that had been based on the Thomas Newcomen design. Watt continued to experiment and in 1781 he produced a rotary-motion steam engine. Whereas his earlier machine, with its up-and-down pumping action, was ideal for draining mines, this new steam engine could be used to drive many different types of machinery. Richard Arkwright was quick to importance of this new invention, and in 1783 he began using Watt's steam-engine in his textile factories. Others followed his lead and by 1800 there were over 500 of Watt's machines in Britain's mines and factories.
A trillion here, a trillion there, soon you're not talking real money
History and Jimmie Carter do not agree. Thousands of men living in America went north, doing their patriotic duty by showing their dissent for the draft. There was no influx as a counter action, men are not that stupid.
Day of infamy... " ANDREW GLASS | 1/21/08 On this day in 1977, President Jimmy Carter, in his first day in office, fulfilled a campaign promise by granting unconditional pardons to hundreds of thousands of men who had evaded the draft during the Vietnam War by fleeing the country or by failing to register."
That is the basic time frame. With the introduction of Watt's Steam Engine first the textile and mining industries then others began mechanizing. With the introduction of the Steam Engine industries were freed from the small scale power provided by water wheels and the less efficient and inflexible Newcomer engine. Coincident to that were increases in transport speed - first through canals and steam powered boats and then ships followed by railroads. All made possible with Mr. Watts engine. Industrial production between 1780 and 1850 expanded, in England, more than tenfold. The affects were slower reaching elsewhere but the expansion was quite rapid.
"An education isn't how much you have committed to memory, or even how much you know. It's being able to differentiate between what you know and what you don't. ~ Anatole France
He goes way back to the Nazis. The guy may even be an alien. :-)
Right on. (you've got a great screen name, by the way.)
Do you see any of that even remotely being seriously discussed by people capable of implementing it? .... no, unfortunately.
Thank you.
"An education isn't how much you have committed to memory, or even how much you know. It's being able to differentiate between what you know and what you don't. ~ Anatole France
This is not a simple matter of "when things get better again," since they cannot possibly get better with the Government doing what it's doing and given the general direction in which it is headed. It is fitting that it's the tea-party contingent that does not fully grasp the magnitude of this all. There's a economic fall coming, and that fall will be harder than anything that the majority of those alive today in Amerika have seen before in their lifetimes! Those pleading via the electoral process or "protest" process for solutions to the problems from those that have caused them are so wasting their time. Very true. I don't know if you've ever heard of talkshow guy, Jerry Doyle, out of Las Vegas. But Jerry is one great talkshow host and a solid man. Check him out, if you have never heard him before. Anyhow, of late he has been asking the question of his audience, "What can we really do about the problem?" I've got an answer, but unfortunately it is problematic posting it on a website such as this.
50 million of a country of 300 million fits the description I alluded to. Talk to me when we're speaking of employable guys (past the 50/100 million mark).
MapQuest really needs to start their directions on #5. Pretty sure I know how to get out of my neighborhood.
Your problem, rhetorically speaking, is that you proscribe "my view". Don't do that, it doesn't work. You have no insight into my mind, outside of your own prejudices and assumptions.
MapQuest really needs to start their directions on #5. Pretty sure I know how to get out of my neighborhood.
Um, no, you were being condescending. You've sold it to yourself as something else, as quoted above. But you were condescending. If you don't see it that way, then try to look at it from a view other than your own. I'm not the one engaging in 1) straw man, 2) condescension, 3) "your view is.." mind reading. Sorry. If you read emotion in that, well, it's not there. You're just some guy I don't know on the internet dude, 1's and 0's. Where have you provided historical examples? Where have I not? Where are the patterns? Where are the trends? History is filled with counter examples to the things even not provided by you, what then? If you want to give up, then give up. Good lord guy, why do you care if others don't resign themselves?
MapQuest really needs to start their directions on #5. Pretty sure I know how to get out of my neighborhood.
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Thousands of men living in America went north, doing their patriotic duty by showing their dissent for the draft. There was no influx as a counter action, men are not that stupid. Ah, I thought you were suggesting the illegals would be drafted. My mistake.
A trillion here, a trillion there, soon you're not talking real money
#2. To: Cynicom (#1)
#3. To: Prefrontal Vortex, Christine, Jethro tull, James Deffenbach, Randge, Lod (#2)
Hehehehehehe. :)
#4. To: mel_living (#0)
#5. To: Sam Houston (#4)
There now REALLY ARE tens of millions of useless eaters
#6. To: Sam Houston (#4)
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As I have said before, there are at least 50 to 100 million Americans who are unemployable even at the current minimum wage.
There now REALLY ARE tens of millions of useless eaters and capitalism's answer to this is much like Dick Cheney's famous quote, "So?"
#7. To: Cynicom, Sam Houston (#5)
#8. To: Cynicom (#3)
If for one moment you think I am a Cynical olde bastard, you are quite right.
#9. To: SonOfLiberty, Sam Houston, Cynicom, christine (#6)
Incorrect. The answer of the free market is "start your own business" or "educate yourself and take up another profession". The free market (aka capitalism) of course, isn't even being asked the question, given as we don't have a free market or capitalism and are instead running, at best, on a heavy mercantilist design and probably more realistically, in a more fascist/socialist economy.
#10. To: Original_Intent (#9)
#11. To: SonOfLiberty (#10)
Adam Smith went into great detail about mercantilism, and it seems to perfectly describe even what we can laughingly refer to as the "best" left of our system. Most of what we have now, on a macro scale (large industry/finance), has recently went full bore into fascism (government-private co-ops, such as the auto industry, banking bailouts, etc).
Definition:
An often inefficient and corrupt system of business in which family and friends are favoured for government or company contracts, even if better candidates are available.
#12. To: mel_living (#0)
#13. To: Cynicom (#1)
#14. To: All (#11)
Pronunciation: klep-Ètä-krY-s
Function: noun Inflected Form(s): plural klep·toc·ra·cies
Date: 1819
#15. To: Sam Houston (#4)
#16. To: Eric Stratton, Cynicom (#13)
Start the rumor that we will have a draft by spring.
#17. To: Cynicom (#5)
#18. To: Sam Houston (#17)
as the "teabaggers" reminded us last summer
#19. To: SonOfLiberty, Sam Houston, Cynicom (#6)
#20. To: SonOfLiberty (#10)
#21. To: Original_Intent (#16)
#22. To: Jethro Tull (#18)
#23. To: Sam Houston (#22)
These people know how to be against stuff with a passion. But very few have any solutions, especially for the economy.
#24. To: Sam Houston, Jethro Tull, TwentyTwelve, Wudidiz, christine, all (#22)
#25. To: Jethro Tull (#23)
#26. To: Original_Intent (#11)
#27. To: Eric Stratton (#13)
The beaners largely aren't registered and even if they would be, what would be the thing making them comply as they seem to evade compliance from everything from taxes to laws otherwise.
#28. To: Eric Stratton (#20)
I agree. So then why do you suggest that there are in essence "painless" ways to "address our issues" as I would phrase it?
#29. To: Eric Stratton (#20)
Why should they? Would you if you were them?
#30. To: Eric Stratton (#19)
#31. To: mininggold (#26)
And that trade balances would favor this country and not the rest of the world. Too nonglobalist for the taste of most current capitalists.
#32. To: Original_Intent (#11)
#33. To: SonOfLiberty (#32)
It's a huge messed up mixture of pretty much every bad economic system known (CC, mercantilism, fascism, socialism).
#34. To: mininggold (#27)
#35. To: SonOfLiberty (#30)
#36. To: SonOfLiberty (#28)
#37. To: SonOfLiberty (#28)
#38. To: Eric Stratton (#36)
You also haven't stated anything concrete
I honestly don't think you know what you think, specifically, and if you do, you certainly cannot articulate it nor have to date.
#39. To: Eric Stratton (#37)
PS People have been protesting and griping for centuries and we've consistently move and continue to move in the exact same direction. Nothing is any different as we now exchange ideas.
#40. To: SonOfLiberty (#38)
#41. To: SonOfLiberty, All (#39)
#42. To: Cynicom (#1)
Start the rumor that we will have a draft by spring.
#43. To: SonOfLiberty (#6)
By what standard? Most of those would be kids and elderly, who by definition are not employable the way we think of employment, and no matter that they are not useless.
#44. To: Original_Intent (#24)
When the Steam Engine caught on it rapidly, within 20 years, brought industrial production from a trickle to a tsunami.
#45. To: DeaconBenjamin (#42)
Hardly. It will encourage additional immigrants, as they arrive to take the place of those Americans who play by the rules.
#46. To: DeaconBenjamin (#42)
#47. To: DeaconBenjamin (#44)
1781-1800?
#48. To: Original_Intent (#7)
That warm hearted Psychopath Henry the K
#49. To: Original_Intent (#9)
Actually the correct term for what we have, and have had since the "teens" of the last century is "Crony Capitalism". A system whereby success is achieved not through production or "building a better mouse trap" but through connections and insider information (not what you can do but who you do know - look at Blackwater/Xe/KBR/Enron/Goldmine Sacks). It is now building toward, rapidly, a super-socialist/fascist totalitarianism that will make Lenin and Stalin's USSR look like playtime at the Pre-School.
#50. To: Eric Stratton (#19)
Manufacturing will take years to recover if it even ever does within our lifetimes. But before that process can even begin, the Government needs to get the fuck out of the private sector's business, and big corporate businesses need to get out of bed with the FedGov.
#51. To: beyond the sea (#49)
#52. To: Eric Stratton (#19)
Our economy, pending extensive alterations in our current eco-political and even socio-political climate, is defunct.
#53. To: DeaconBenjamin (#43)
#54. To: Eric Stratton (#41)
#55. To: Eric Stratton (#40)
I wasn't being condescending, I was stating a fact.
You shouldn't be so emotional while trying to state you case,
Again, while I provide historical examples, human nature as a guide, active trends and patterns, etc., all that you can provide is stuff along the lines of "well you just wait and see" when that's what I've been doing for decades and this freight train continues to regress.
#56. To: beyond the sea (#52)
#57. To: SonOfLiberty (#54)
#58. To: SonOfLiberty (#55)
#59. To: SonOfLiberty (#55)
#60. To: Cynicom (#45)
History and Jimmie Carter do not agree.
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