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Title: Supreme Court Guts Due Process Protection
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URL Source: http://www.nakedcapitalism.com/2009 ... ts-due-process-protection.html
Published: Dec 20, 2009
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Post Date: 2009-12-22 07:51:19 by F.A. Hayek Fan
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Reader Walter passed along this distressing sighting from Chris Floyd’s blog. American civil liberties were gutted last week, and the media failed to take note of it. The development? If the president or one of his subordinates declares someone to be an “enemy combatant” (the 21st century version of “enemy of the state”) he is denied any protection of the law. So any trouble-maker (which means anyone) can be whisked away, incarcerated, tortured, “disappeared,” you name it. Floyd’s commentary: After hearing passionate arguments from the Obama Administration, the Supreme Court acquiesced to the president’s fervent request and, in a one-line ruling, let stand a lower court decision that declared torture an ordinary, expected consequence of military detention, while introducing a shocking new precedent for all future courts to follow: anyone who is arbitrarily declared a “suspected enemy combatant” by the president or his designated minions is no longer a “person.” They will simply cease to exist as a legal entity. They will have no inherent rights, no human rights, no legal standing whatsoever — save whatever modicum of process the government arbitrarily deigns to grant them from time to time, with its ever-shifting tribunals and show trials. It is hard to overstate the significance of this horrid decision. The fact that the Supreme Court authorized this land grab says we no longer have an independent judiciary, that the Supreme Court itself is gutting the protections supposedly provided by the legal system. Per Floyd: In fact, our most august defenders of the Constitution did not have to exert themselves in the slightest to eviscerate not merely 220 years of Constitutional jurisprudence but also centuries of agonizing effort to lift civilization a few inches out of the blood-soaked mire that is our common human legacy. They just had to write a single sentence. Now Floyd saw this mainly as an issue of the treatment of enemy combatants and Obama hypocrisy about torture, which is bad enough: The Constitution is clear: no person can be held without due process; no person can be subjected to cruel and unusual punishment. And the U.S. law on torture of any kind is crystal clear: it is forbidden, categorically, even in time of “national emergency.” And the instigation of torture is, under U.S. law, a capital crime. No person can be tortured, at any time, for any reason, and there are no immunities whatsoever for torture offered anywhere in the law. And yet this is what Barack Obama — who, we are told incessantly, is a super-brilliant Constitutional lawyer — has been arguing in case after case since becoming president: Torturers are immune from prosecution; those who ordered torture are immune from prosecution….let’s be absolutely clear: Barack Obama has taken the freely chosen, public, formal stand — in court — that there is nothing wrong with any of these activities. Yves here. The implications are FAR worse. Anyone can be stripped, with NO RECOURSE, of all their legal rights on a Presidential say so. Readers in the US no longer have any security under the law. Roman citizens enjoyed a right to a trial, a right of appeal, and could not be tortured, whipped, or executed except if found guilty of treason, and anyone charged with treason could demand a trial in Rome. We have regressed more than 2000 years with this appalling ruling.
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#1. To: F.A. Hayek Fan, *libertarians*, *Jack-Booted Thugs* (#0)
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Well, the people did cry out for change.
Don't let whining of Republicrats fool you. There was no change. This court case began under the Bush administration and Obama did what the two party fraud always does and that's continue on with what the party before them began. This court case is and was a bipartisan screwing of the American people.
"The Central Intelligence Agency owns everyone of any significance in the major media." ~ William Colby, Director, CIA 1973–1976 The purpose of the legal system is to protect the elites from the wrath of those they plunder.- Elliott Jackalope "When plunder becomes a way of life for a group of men living together in society, they create for themselves in the course of time a legal system that authorizes it and a moral code that justifies it." - Frederic Bastiat
There was an interesting comment at this youtube video about ALL the so-called "US Courts": YouTube - CORPORATE AMERICA IS GETTING SUED!!! p1 "RussiaversusIsrael Uh, CDubSD, all courts are TRADED AS, on Dunn and Bradstreet. Just yet another reason why this lawsuit was initiated. All courts are privately held trading companies, and all courts are owned by teh US Attorney Executive Office out of Washington, DC. So who gives a crap what a private FOREIGN for profit business recognizes or doesn't? Because the courts are PRIVATE Corporations, they have zero 11th amendment protections. Get some education before commenting so you'll stop embarrassing yourself....." ============== The Bankruptcy of the United States "...It is an established fact that the United States Federal Government has been dissolved by the Emergency Banking Act, March 9, 1933, 48 Stat. 1, Public Law 89-719; declared by President Roosevelt, being bankrupt and insolvent. H.J.R. 192, 73rd Congress m session June 5, 1933 - Joint Resolution To Suspend The Gold Standard and Abrogate The Gold Clause dissolved the Sovereign Authority of the United States and the official capacities of all United States Governmental Offices, Officers, and Departments and is further evidence that the United States Federal Government exists today in name only. The receivers of the United States Bankruptcy are the International Bankers, via the United Nations, the World Bank and the International Monetary Fund. All United States Offices, Officials, and Departments are now operating within a de facto status in name only under Emergency War Powers. With the Constitutional Republican form of Government now dissolved, the receivers of the Bankruptcy have adopted a new form of government for the United States. This new form of government is known as a Democracy, being an established Socialist/Communist order under a new governor for America. ....." http://www.apfn.net/Doc-100_bankruptcy.htm ======================= "They are all criminals from the President on down as they all are private corporations Not only are we controlled by private corporations called "government" but foreign corporations like IRS/IMF/ Interpol . Yes, Interpol because little do you know that the Attorneys General of the United States, since 1938, have been the Top Interpol agents and they, like Paulson, are not paid by the corporate United States. They are both paid by the International banking the Fund and the Bank If you want that info go to John Nelson's article on the Internet: http://famguardian.org/Subjects/...arationToAbolishUSGov.htm. It's all under commerce as the world has been since the days of Hammurabi and that goes back to 1600 BC. Here from the 1990 United States Government's on the Manual on page 390 it states and quoted exactly as you see it; "United States participation in INTERPOL began in 1938 by Congressional authorization, designating the Attorney General as the official representative to the organization. INTERPOL operations were interrupted during World War II, but resumed in 1945. The Attorney General designated the Secretary of the Treasury as the U.S. representative to INTERPOL in 1958, and the U.S. National Central Bureau was established within the Treasury Department in 1969." If I posted all that follows you would think I was talking about a foreign government, not your so sweet United States that is to protect you the common man. No, it was to destroy you, the common man, when the Revolutionary war of 1776 was completed and didn't. Kruschev, the Russian said, "You would be destroyed from within". They are doing it right under your noses and you play with all your toys while they do it. Sort of like Caesar, when he fiddled while Rome was destroyed. You never were free, people of America. You are controlled by private commercial establishments and I don't care if they call themselves the individual States, like the STATE of NORTH CAROLINA , term i.e. "this state" or the UNITED STATES or the UNITED STATES belonging to (OF) America. They are all private corporations, the bane of all mankind. In case you are wondering where Interpol came from, it was from the Nazi SS and other fractions of the German army that broke free and created their own organization in 1923 to gather info for Hitler before he came into power. After the war they stayed as they are today, only presented themselves as protectors of crimes world wide, Yeah, right. You would have to obtain the GAO Briefing Report to the Chairman: A subcommittee on Civil and Constitutional Rights, Committee on the Judiciary, US House of Representatives June 1987. Yes, they all know they are dealing in powerful foreign organizations that rule you and everyone in this country. Forget about when the New World Odor is going to take over. They already have, starting in 1945 and they are putting the finishing touches on it as you read this. You might want to read the June 25, 1987 letter to Don Edwards Chairman of the Subcommittee on Interpol, by Arnold Jones, Senior Associate Director of GAO. It's very revealing. All the GI's in WWII that died was for the foreign powers to take over and this slimy government private corporations) knows it, but pay lip service that they died for your freedom. There has never been a war or police action for your protection. Even the feigned Revolutionary war wasn't for Freedom of the masses but slavery, no matter how they word it. You all love this wonderful government to your tax grave, including inheritance, estate and other death taxes, claiming the slavery document Constitution is yours so that you might control the private corporations. You must believe in this farce as many of you go vote in every election to put these slime balls back in office, in national as well as in state elections, allowing them to pile more dirt on you. A Disgusted Informer July 6, 2008 " http://www.atgpress.com/inform/ba037.htm =================== In case you are wondering where Interpol came from, it was from the Nazi SS and other fractions of the German army that broke free and created their own organization in 1923 to gather info for Hitler before he came into power. After the war they stayed as they are today, only presented themselves as protectors of crimes world wide, Yeah, right. but, but, if the Jews control everything, how come they let the evil Nazi INTERPOL stay? why are the poor, persecuted Jews collaborating with the Nazis......again? "You never were free" [Genesis 15:13-14/Galatians 3:16-29] ====================== maybe it's time to lock and load and treat these thugs like any other common street criminals that would accost you.
"...as long as there..remain active enemies of the Christian church, we may hope to become Master of the World...the future Jewish King will never reign in the world before Christianity is overthrown - B'nai B'rith speech http://www.biblebelievers.org.au/luther.htm / http://bible.cc/psalms/83-4.htm
Thanks for the change O'tards. You got your pharmaceutical company support bill, over 50% taxation, a renewal of the un-Patriot Act, More War, your left wing totaltarian Police State, we can now have torture chambers for all those reactionaries who doubted that the Obamessiah would come through. Yay team. CHANGE WE CAN BE TORTURED FOR! DER FUHRER IST DER TAG! COMRADE STALIN IS THE MILK OF HUMAN KINDNESS. HOPE! Dear God, I hope people wake up soon.
"An education isn't how much you have committed to memory, or even how much you know. It's being able to differentiate between what you know and what you don't. ~ Anatole France
Well, ya see, part of the problem is that THEY ARE AWAKE and THEY DON'T PLAY FOR OUR TEAM...i.e., fuck the Constitution and HELLO! One World Monopolism / Global Totalitarianism. So - some are ignorant but the damnable weasels are NOT. IMO and I know I'm alone...
When O was running for the nomination, we told the TARDS that everything you
mentioned above would happen. Looking back, it's not only all happened, but
it's been WORSE than we expected. O'Bummer has tripled the spending of Bush,
widened the war in Afghanistan and extended it into Pakistan. Just yesterday,
the SOB bombed Yemen killing 160 (+/-). Go take a look at the Nest where the
human turds ignore the death and debt that we ALL hung on Bush's neck. They're
talking about Orly and 9-11.....It's no wonder they fled. Had they stayed they
would be torn to shreds for being supporters of war, uncontrollable spending
and a leftist domestic policy that runs counter to personal freedom.
btw bravo - spot on post lol !
this thread should be pinned to the top of the 4um...imo
Dylan I so hope to meet one day the witches and warlocks that posed here as 'constitutionalists.'
I would get giddy if I were to encounter an interpol agent working American soil...I could set my sights on something like that.
those chickenshits will rue the day they infiltrated freedom loving free people's final attempt to work WITHIN this frigging corrupt and totally beholden 'political system'. yes indeed, those that moved into the precinct / district / State and played the part of faux patriot - when you are found, should you not run away when the shooting starts - you will be dealt with SEVERELY and with TOTAL PREJUDICE.
Yeah, I went over to O'tard Central and several things were conspicuous by their absence: 1. Any discussion or threads on what the Hellthcare Bill contains. 2. No mention of the Patriot Act renewal. 3. No mention of Oh'bummer being a defender of torture. 4. Nothing about Oh'bummer expansion of the Bankster Wars begun under Duhbya. 5. No mention of the Supreme Court ruling allowing the Executive to, without due process of law, to strip a person of their Constitutional guarantees as enumerated in the Bill of Rights. All that they can chatter about that is even the vicinity is Israel's Senator Joe, the treasonous swine, Lieberman's holding the Hellthcare bill hostage until he got his bribe.
"An education isn't how much you have committed to memory, or even how much you know. It's being able to differentiate between what you know and what you don't. ~ Anatole France
So - some are ignorant but the damnable weasels are NOT. IMO and I know I'm alone... They are idiots - and that is being as kind as I can muster. All these morons can see is that they passed a bill "called" "Healthcare Reform". Of course they have no clue what is in the bill, nor how it will adversely affect the lives of every citizen except for the megawealthy who can still afford whatever they want. What they also are absolutely incapable of seeing are the next steps following this. The elimination of alternatives to AMA Brand® Allopathic, treat the symptoms only and at great expense, Deathcare. It will be used as pretext for further erosion of individual liberty. And eventually it will be used to exterminate large segments of the population. But hey, we've got Nationalized Hellthcare! Ain't is wonderful? /Sarcasm
"An education isn't how much you have committed to memory, or even how much you know. It's being able to differentiate between what you know and what you don't. ~ Anatole France
Yeh I should have voted for Idi Amin. He would have kept Cheney on for a Vice President, I suspect. Glad to see we are now killing civilians whose name we cannot pronounce in Yeman. Guess there have been a couple of children there that didn't hate us yet, and this will correct that.
"Satan / Cheney in "08" And the alternative was???? We all knew what voting for Mccain would bring. And yes I see it was not much diff from O. I bet on the long shot and seems we have all lost.
"Satan / Cheney in "08" Find us a place to relocate to in the MX. Thanks much.
Gridlock But some were too stupid to see it. They put hate for Bush above love of country. No fouler traitors exist in our midst than these selfish serpents who pretend to be Patriots.
Show Me Obama's Birth Certificate!
After 17,000 miles driven in Mexico and countless trips, I have found it - and so have the Canadians. But I like them. Small fishing village, beautiful sea bay, great inexpensive accomodations, fantastic resturants and street food that was fabulous, friendly unstressed people and a major city an hour away, bus fare, IIRC, about four dollars. Our perfectly great hotel room, with an expansive patio and simple kitchen was $17 a night - would have been $14 if we had booked for a week. This was at the height of the USD v MXD x change, so things are priciery buy now about 10-12 % now. And Colima, a colonial capital, above the heat is maybe 2.5 hours away, by bus. Safe? This area is as safe as your grandfather's farm. No poverty, that I could see, a pretty happy area of Mexico. Sue and I just gave ourselves a Christmas present - a ticket to Puerto Vallarta this March, and a bus ticket 120 miles S to Melaque. The bus ticket was $11, last year. Take some dramine, its a curvery ride, sleep is better than throwing up ( don't ask us how we know this).
"Satan / Cheney in "08" Glad to see we are now killing civilians whose name we cannot pronounce in Yeman. Guess there have been a couple of children there that didn't hate us yet, and this will correct that. Sarcasm does you ill. If you recall, since you want to be snippy, I predicted exactly what we have gotten. There were two principled possibilities: 1. Vote 3rd Party. (Which is what I did.) OR 2. Vote for McNutz and gridlock. The reality is that it was obvious that Oh'bummer was being pushed by the Eastern elites. He went from nowhere to the nomination. No record to vote on, many questions about his legitimacy, which they are still stonewalling, and money just magically flowing in by the bucket load. It was obvious the fix was in and that made it clear that he was totally under control. Voting for Oh'bummer because you didn't like Bush was simply - well I won't be insulting.
"An education isn't how much you have committed to memory, or even how much you know. It's being able to differentiate between what you know and what you don't. ~ Anatole France
Since BOTH
were trash, NEITHER was an option. Stop trying to justify the lesser of
two evils, that thinking gave us this POS. Stop voting - OR - vote if u
must for anyone who isn't a blood soaked fascist. This strategy makes
sense to me......I hope it does to you one day.
...sheesh wow spit sputter splat
How is it that so many wonderful folks who mistakenly voted for Bush realized their mistake, certainly after a year? The Os are far more partisan that the Bushies were. They still defend this socialist, war pig with the lame excuse of which piggie would have been more harmful to the nation. The answer to that question is the most dangerous pig is the pig who is currently in office. And the cycle will continue with a rebirth of the GOP in '10 and a new round of TALK and PROMISES. Oafs will never learn, or worse, they are leftists, or neocons, and are unable to sense that the ever growing government is a very serious threat to our freedom.
The Twelve Days of Christmas by Frank Kelly deleted
Here's another development you should be real proud of Shoonra. You must really love this change eh neocon?
"The Central Intelligence Agency owns everyone of any significance in the major media." ~ William Colby, Director, CIA 1973–1976 The purpose of the legal system is to protect the elites from the wrath of those they plunder.- Elliott Jackalope "When plunder becomes a way of life for a group of men living together in society, they create for themselves in the course of time a legal system that authorizes it and a moral code that justifies it." - Frederic Bastiat
Here's another development you should be real proud of Shoonra. You must really love this change eh neocon?
"The Central Intelligence Agency owns everyone of any significance in the major media." ~ William Colby, Director, CIA 1973–1976 The purpose of the legal system is to protect the elites from the wrath of those they plunder.- Elliott Jackalope "When plunder becomes a way of life for a group of men living together in society, they create for themselves in the course of time a legal system that authorizes it and a moral code that justifies it." - Frederic Bastiat
I find myself being impugned by "F.A. Hayek Fan" even though I didn't contribute a message to this thread and had not previously clicked on it. He also calls me a neocon, which is very definitely wrong. Hayek Fan thinks he's winning arguments by talking to people who aren't there. When we see people act this way in public, we steer clear of them.
You're damned right you were impugned you war mongering neocon. You didn't contribute to it but you were damned well pinged to my comment. You are a indeed a war mongering neocon as your previous posts prove by your pitiful attempt to justify Obama's record of continuing every single foreign policy and liberty stealing piece of legislation of George Bush. When we see people act this way in public, we steer clear of them. You are steering clear for two reasons. The first is because you are a cowardly neocon warmongerer and running away is what you do. The second reason you are staying clear is because you are unable to get away with your pitiful sycophantic justifications and you know it.
"The Central Intelligence Agency owns everyone of any significance in the major media." ~ William Colby, Director, CIA 1973–1976 The purpose of the legal system is to protect the elites from the wrath of those they plunder.- Elliott Jackalope "When plunder becomes a way of life for a group of men living together in society, they create for themselves in the course of time a legal system that authorizes it and a moral code that justifies it." - Frederic Bastiat
Hayek Fan thinks he's winning arguments by talking to people who aren't there. When we see people act this way in public, we steer clear of them. LOL! Look at this rationale for not defending her sycophancy. LOL! She is as pitiful as her president.
"The Central Intelligence Agency owns everyone of any significance in the major media." ~ William Colby, Director, CIA 1973–1976 The purpose of the legal system is to protect the elites from the wrath of those they plunder.- Elliott Jackalope "When plunder becomes a way of life for a group of men living together in society, they create for themselves in the course of time a legal system that authorizes it and a moral code that justifies it." - Frederic Bastiat
#2. To: christine, F.A. Hayek Fan (#0)
We have regressed more than 2000 years with this appalling ruling.
Mike Flaherty: Yeah, it's been there a long time. I wish I knew which corner.
My Man Godfrey (1936)
#3. To: Esso, christine, (#2)
Well, the people did cry out for change.
#4. To: F.A. Hayek Fan (#0)
(Edited)
Sep 28, 2009 ... This is a COURT CASE that is defaulting the FAKE UNITED STATES. ... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hMS28Lu3dbs
by Former Congressman Traficant
#5. To: Ferret Mike, Weasel Mike, christine, farmfriend, TwentyTwelve, HOUNDDAWG, Esso, Rotara, wudidiz, Tom007, Jethro Tull, bluegrass, Itistoolate, enemies of freedom, Robin, Aristeides, O'tards, fools, dupes, knaves, suckers, varlets, rubes, Marks, all (#0)
By their fruits ye may know them.
#6. To: Original_Intent (#5)
"If you love wealth more than liberty, the tranquility of servitude better than the animating contest of freedom, depart from us in peace. We ask not your counsel nor your arms. Crouch down and lick the hand that feeds you. May your chains rest lightly upon you and may posterity forget that you were our countrymen.”—Samuel Adams 
#7. To: Original_Intent, *What Voting for Obama got Ya* (#5)
#8. To: Original_Intent (#5)
"If you love wealth more than liberty, the tranquility of servitude better than the animating contest of freedom, depart from us in peace. We ask not your counsel nor your arms. Crouch down and lick the hand that feeds you. May your chains rest lightly upon you and may posterity forget that you were our countrymen.”—Samuel Adams
#9. To: Jethro Tull (#7)
great post !
"If you love wealth more than liberty, the tranquility of servitude better than the animating contest of freedom, depart from us in peace. We ask not your counsel nor your arms. Crouch down and lick the hand that feeds you. May your chains rest lightly upon you and may posterity forget that you were our countrymen.”—Samuel Adams
#10. To: Rotara (#9)
The line it is drawn, the curse it is cast...
#11. To: AllTheKings'HorsesWontDoIt (#4)
"If you love wealth more than liberty, the tranquility of servitude better than the animating contest of freedom, depart from us in peace. We ask not your counsel nor your arms. Crouch down and lick the hand that feeds you. May your chains rest lightly upon you and may posterity forget that you were our countrymen.”—Samuel Adams
#12. To: Jethro Tull (#10)
"If you love wealth more than liberty, the tranquility of servitude better than the animating contest of freedom, depart from us in peace. We ask not your counsel nor your arms. Crouch down and lick the hand that feeds you. May your chains rest lightly upon you and may posterity forget that you were our countrymen.”—Samuel Adams
#13. To: Jethro Tull, Rotara, all (#7)
#14. To: Rotara (#6)
Well, ya see, part of the problem is that THEY ARE AWAKE and THEY DON'T PLAY FOR OUR TEAM...i.e., fuck the Constitution and HELLO! One World Monopolism / Global Totalitarianism.
#15. To: Original_Intent (#5)
(Edited)
#16. To: Jethro Tull (#7)
we told the TARDS that everything you mentioned above would happen. Looking back, it's not only all happened, but it's been WORSE than we expected
#17. To: tom007 (#16)
#18. To: tom007 (#16)
And the alternative was????
#19. To: Lod (#17)
Find us a place to relocate to in the MX.
#20. To: tom007 (#15)
Yeh I should have voted for Idi Amin. He would have kept Cheney on for a Vice President, I suspect.
#21. To: tom007 (#16)
And the alternative was????
#22. To: Jethro Tull (#21)
and the alternative was?
"If you love wealth more than liberty, the tranquility of servitude better than the animating contest of freedom, depart from us in peace. We ask not your counsel nor your arms. Crouch down and lick the hand that feeds you. May your chains rest lightly upon you and may posterity forget that you were our countrymen.”—Samuel Adams
#23. To: Rotara (#22)
#24. To: Jethro Tull (#23)
#25. To: All (#0)
#26. To: Shoonra (#25)
#27. To: F.A. Hayek Fan (#26)
#28. To: Shoonra, all (#27)
I find myself being impugned by "F.A. Hayek Fan" even though I didn't contribute a message to this thread and had not previously clicked on it. He also calls me a neocon, which is very definitely wrong.
#29. To: Shoonra, James Deffenbach (#27)
I find myself being impugned by "F.A. Hayek Fan" even though I didn't contribute a message to this thread and had not previously clicked on it. He also calls me a neocon, which is very definitely wrong.
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