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Title: (US) Cruise missile attacks in Yemen (Hey out damned spot you odious necon blood dancer, this one's for you)
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Glenn Greenwald
URL Source: http://www.salon.com/news/opinion/g ... 009/12/21/terrorism/index.html
Published: Dec 21, 2009
Author: Glenn Greenwald
Post Date: 2009-12-22 11:15:33 by F.A. Hayek Fan
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Given what a prominent role "Terrorism" plays in our political discourse, it's striking how little attention is paid to American actions which have the most significant impact on that problem. In addition to our occupation of Iraq, war escalation in Afghanistan, and secret bombings in Pakistan, President Obama late last week ordered cruise missile attacks on two locations in Yemen, which "U.S. officials" say were "suspected Al Qaeda hideouts." The main target of the attacks, Al Qaeda member Qasim al Rim, was not among those killed, but: "a local Yemeni official said on Sunday that 49 civilians, among them 23 children and 17 women, were killed in air strikes against Al-Qaeda, which he said were carried out 'indiscriminately'." Media reports across the Muslim world -- though, not of course, within the U.S. -- are highlighting the dead civilians from the U.S. strike (one account from an official Iranian outlet began: "U.S. Nobel Peace Prize laureate President Barack Obama has signed the order for a recent military strike on Yemen in which scores of civilians, including children, have been killed, a report says"). For many people, the mere assertion by anonymous U.S. Government officials that these attacks targeted "suspected al-Qaeda sites" will be sufficient to deem them justified. All credible reports confirm that there is indeed a not insignificant Al Qaeda presence in Southern Yemen, so that claim, at least, seems at least grounded in reality. Yet arguments about justification to the side for the moment, here we have yet another violent attack by the U.S. which -- even under the best-case scenario -- has killed more Muslim civilians than it did "Al Qaeda fighters," and failed to kill the main target of the attack. When it comes to undermining Al Qaeda -- both in Yemen and generally -- isn't it painfully obvious that the images of dead Muslim women and children which we constantly create -- and which we again just created in Yemen -- will fuel that movement better than anything else we can do? Consider what else is happening around the Muslim world that is quite consistent with all of that yet receiving virtually no attention in the West (though receiving plenty of attention there). Pakistani lawyers -- many of the same ones who protested the tyrannical practices of General Musharraf -- held a large protest in Islamabad this weekend objecting to the presence of "notorious" Blackwater agents in their country. Palestinians are consumed with a recent incident in which West Bank settlers torched one of their mosques, burning holy books and leaving threatening messages; that was preceded by the Israeli Justice Minister proclaiming that "step by step, Torah law will become the binding law in the State of Israel." And perhaps most significantly of all, while reports have focused on alleged tension between the Obama administration and Israel over the latter's uncooperative conduct, this is what is actually happening: Behind the scenes, strategic security relations between the two countries are flourishing. Israeli officials have been singing the praises of President Obama for his willingness to address their defense concerns and for actions taken by his administration to bolster Israel’s qualitative military edge -- an edge eroded, according to Israel, during the final year of the George W. Bush presidency. Among the new initiatives taken by the administration, the Forward has learned, are adjustments in a massive arms deal the Bush administration made with Arab Gulf states in response to Israeli concerns. There have also been upgrades in U.S.-Israeli military cooperation on missile defense. And a deal is expected next year that will see one of the United States’ most advanced fighter jets go to Israel with some of America’s most sensitive new technology. Amid the cacophony of U.S.-Israel clashes on the diplomatic front, public attention given to this intensified strategic cooperation has been scant. But in a rare public comment in October, Israeli Ambassador Michael Oren praised the Obama administration’s response to complaints about lost ground during the close of the Bush years as "warm and immediate." "We came to the Obama administration and said, ‘Listen, we have a problem here,'" Oren, told a gathering of the National Jewish Democratic Council. "The administration’s reaction was immediate: we are going to address this issue, we are going to make sure that we maintain your QME [qualitative military edge]." All of this is being done pursuant to this: America’s commitment to maintaining Israel’s qualitative military edge was codified directly into U.S. law via 2008 legislation backed by AIPAC. This legislation requires the president to report to Congress periodically on actions taken by the administration to ensure Israel’s advantage. I have to confess that I didn't realize that a law was enacted last year making it a legal requirement for America to maintain "Israel’s qualitative military edge," and -- even more amazingly -- that the President of the U.S. is required to report regularly to the U.S. Congress on the steps he's taking to ensure Israel's superiority. That's a rather extraordinary law, and the administration seems to be fulfilling its requirements faithfully. Whatever else is true, and even if one believes it's justified to lob cruise missiles into more countries where we claim "suspected Al Qaeda sites" are located, one thing seems clear: all of the causes widely recognized as having led to 9/11 -- excessive American interference in the Muslim world, our alliance with their most oppressive leaders, our responsibility for Israel's military conflicts with its Muslim neighbors, and our own military attacks on Muslims -- seem stronger than ever. As we take more actions of this sort, we will create more Terrorists, which will in turn cause us to take more actions of this sort in a never-ending, self-perpetuating cycle. The U.S. military, and the intelligence community, and its partners in the private contractor world will certainly remain busy, empowered, and well-funded in the extreme. * * * * * The excellent academic and political website, 3quarksdaily, gave out prizes this weekend for the best articles of the year in politics, philosophy, science and other categories. The prizes for politics were judged by historian and scholar Tariq Ali. This post of mine on Obama's civil liberties record and the multi-tiered system of justice being created for "War on Terror" detainees was chosen as the top prize winner, which includes a $1,000 award. Thank you to 3quarksdaily and Ali for this selection. UPDATE: For those struggling to understand the basic point here, there are two primary issues I'm examining with regard to the strike in Yemen: (1) what happened and (2) how it's being depicted in various parts of the Muslim world. The citation to the "official Iranian outlet" pertains to number (2), not to number (1) -- as I made explicitly clear.
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For those wondering about the reference to odious (ODS-out damned spot), she mentioned something about us not posting this information, alluding that we are Obama supporters. That seems to be the mantra of the ODS and Whitesands types. Because we did not lick the balls of Bush and the republicrats we are automatically Obama supporters. The fact that we ran off most of the Obama supporters during the presidential election means nothing to these partisan assholes, nor does the fact that we constantly post anti-Obama articles.
"The Central Intelligence Agency owns everyone of any significance in the major media." ~ William Colby, Director, CIA 1973–1976 The purpose of the legal system is to protect the elites from the wrath of those they plunder.- Elliott Jackalope "When plunder becomes a way of life for a group of men living together in society, they create for themselves in the course of time a legal system that authorizes it and a moral code that justifies it." - Frederic Bastiat
It is a mystery to me why some people automatically assume that if you don't support the inbred jackass they support that you support the other one. Lack of logic and critical thinking skills is what I assume their problem is.
Liberty is not a means to a higher political end. It is itself the highest political end. Partisans are unable to look beyond the two-party fraud. You either belong to one side or the other. They seem incapable of acknowledging the fact that there are other options. We seen the same thing here with Obama supporters like A Vast Right Wing Conspirator. He was constantly calling everyone who refused to drink the Obama kool-aide Bush supporters. What gets me is how she could even have the balls to allude to such a thing considering the large number of anti war articles that are posted on this site.
"The Central Intelligence Agency owns everyone of any significance in the major media." ~ William Colby, Director, CIA 1973–1976 The purpose of the legal system is to protect the elites from the wrath of those they plunder.- Elliott Jackalope "When plunder becomes a way of life for a group of men living together in society, they create for themselves in the course of time a legal system that authorizes it and a moral code that justifies it." - Frederic Bastiat
You assume correctly. Why bother to formulate an argument when you can simply smear your opponent with a label? It's so much easier than trying to think.
Yes, that seems to be the case. I got over believing there was any great difference in most of the R's and D's years ago and it is hard for me to understand why otherwise intelligent people really believe with all their hearts that there is such a huge difference in establishment whores.
Liberty is not a means to a higher political end. It is itself the highest political end. Why bother to formulate an argument when you can simply smear your opponent with a label? It's so much easier than trying to think. I saw a t-shirt a while back that I liked a lot. It said something to the effect that "I don't worry about what people think since most of them do so little of it."
Liberty is not a means to a higher political end. It is itself the highest political end. I've been shaking my head over this very thing for a long time now. It seems so damn obvious.
"The Central Intelligence Agency owns everyone of any significance in the major media." ~ William Colby, Director, CIA 1973–1976 The purpose of the legal system is to protect the elites from the wrath of those they plunder.- Elliott Jackalope "When plunder becomes a way of life for a group of men living together in society, they create for themselves in the course of time a legal system that authorizes it and a moral code that justifies it." - Frederic Bastiat
doh!
"The Ponzi scheme that is our fiat currency system is about to go the way of what was for a time the symbol of American superiority, General Motors... As I claimed in 2005 that GM would go bankrupt, I will now guarantee that the US government is soon to follow... We will default. We will restructure. It will be at this point our arrogance will end." -- Greg Simmons and Brett Buchanan of Scope Labs
speaking of thinking... has anyone thought about why we're concerned with yemen, sudan and somalia? couldnt have anything to do with the planned war with iran, and securing tanker routes from israel to japan and india once hormuz is closed and the oil is piped from the persian gulf to israel... could it? http://img529.imageshack.us/img529/3637/pnacplan18apr09.jpg
out damned spot posted on 2009-12-20 21:22:14 ET Reply Trace "At one time, most of the posters there were here......Mostly they are libertarians there....." Goldi-Lox posted on 2009-12-20 21:31:14 ET Reply Trace "I've never been to (Freedom4um)." Goldi-Lox posted on 2009-11-17 13:43:11 ET Reply Trace.... Link
Odious and 'botsands are not partisan Duhbya Supporters. They are blood drenched psychotic Israel Uber Alles supporters. They just want the U.S. to kill all of Israel's perceived, in their febrid distorted "minds", enemies. They are simply bloodthirsty ghouls who regard the existence of Israel and its right to steal, maim, and kill all those awful Islamic Goys as a birthright.
"An education isn't how much you have committed to memory, or even how much you know. It's being able to differentiate between what you know and what you don't. ~ Anatole France
out damned spot posted on 2009-12-20 21:22:14 ET Reply Trace "At one time, most of the posters there were here......Mostly they are libertarians there....." Goldi-Lox posted on 2009-12-20 21:31:14 ET Reply Trace "I've never been to (Freedom4um)." Goldi-Lox posted on 2009-11-17 13:43:11 ET Reply Trace.... Link As usual Goldi-Schmuck lies through her teeth. "Liberty Post" really should be called "Israel First Post".
"An education isn't how much you have committed to memory, or even how much you know. It's being able to differentiate between what you know and what you don't. ~ Anatole France
has anyone thought about why we're concerned with yemen, sudan and somalia? couldnt have anything to do with the planned war with iran, and securing tanker routes from israel to japan and india once hormuz is closed and the oil is piped from the persian gulf to israel... could it? http://img529.imageshack.us/img529/3637/pnacplan18apr09.jpg It wouldn't surprise me any. DC has become so byzantine-like that it is virtually impossible for an outsider to know what the real reason is for anything that goes on.
"The Central Intelligence Agency owns everyone of any significance in the major media." ~ William Colby, Director, CIA 1973–1976 The purpose of the legal system is to protect the elites from the wrath of those they plunder.- Elliott Jackalope "When plunder becomes a way of life for a group of men living together in society, they create for themselves in the course of time a legal system that authorizes it and a moral code that justifies it." - Frederic Bastiat
Yep. That is the post alright. Which is a joke considering the number of anti-war articles that are posted on this forum.
"The Central Intelligence Agency owns everyone of any significance in the major media." ~ William Colby, Director, CIA 1973–1976 The purpose of the legal system is to protect the elites from the wrath of those they plunder.- Elliott Jackalope "When plunder becomes a way of life for a group of men living together in society, they create for themselves in the course of time a legal system that authorizes it and a moral code that justifies it." - Frederic Bastiat
While they may not be partisan baby Bush supporters, they are partisan republicrats. As for the rest of what you posted, I agree one hundred percent. They happily dance in the blood of American GI's.
"The Central Intelligence Agency owns everyone of any significance in the major media." ~ William Colby, Director, CIA 1973–1976 The purpose of the legal system is to protect the elites from the wrath of those they plunder.- Elliott Jackalope "When plunder becomes a way of life for a group of men living together in society, they create for themselves in the course of time a legal system that authorizes it and a moral code that justifies it." - Frederic Bastiat
that's the way they want it, all the factions. the israel-firsters want that oil plumbed to israel even if they have to exhaust america in the remodeling effort ---they're assuming, as a result of the remodeling project, they wouldnt need american support once they became the oil hub of the middle east... the oil guys would like some catastrophe in the middle east ---maybe a nuke false flag on israel--- that would justify a full- tilt occupation of the gulf/central asian/caspian oil patch... the europeans can see the "wisdom" of piping the oil to israel, thus eliminating the hormuz chokepoint and the tanker trip around africa. american corporate fascists would do about anything, including sacrificing israel, if it led to secure access to persian gulf energy. the israelis and israeli americans, though, have the advantage, seeing as how they control the american media and government... but, and this is a big BUT, how many of them are only using israel as protective coloration in their quest to accumulate enough loot to make the world safe for ashkenazi supremacism via some sort of "benevolent global hegemony"? seems to me that most people who've thought it through would have to decide that israel was such a bad idea from day one that it's just not likely to survive, especially in light of peak oil and global warming... not to mention the fact that israel is about the last place in the world anyone would choose for a hideout if the shit really hits the fan. so that's what the american cold civil war is about: deciding which of these factions will come out on top... too bad there are the suicidal deathwish christian and samson option israeli factions, who would blow the whole works to smithereens rather than cooperate in finding solutions.
their problem is that other options require analytical thought on their part, it's much easier to believe the canned crap from their beloved CFR controlled sources.
in your opinion, how does peak oil and global warming (i don't believe in either) affect Israel's survival alone?
"The Ponzi scheme that is our fiat currency system is about to go the way of what was for a time the symbol of American superiority, General Motors... As I claimed in 2005 that GM would go bankrupt, I will now guarantee that the US government is soon to follow... We will default. We will restructure. It will be at this point our arrogance will end." -- Greg Simmons and Brett Buchanan of Scope Labs
WTF are you trying to say, or ask? Thanks.
There's that magical number again... 40. We're bombing people in Yemen. Wow... Why weren't we doing that when the USS Cole was bombed? In fact, why didn't we take Osama Bin Laden into custody on any of the 3 times he was offered to Bill Clinton? Because Tim Osman, JEW, Is Osama Bin Laden, and therefore will always remain free. Osama Bin Laden is a Jew. Hopefully when the truth finally gets out, kind of like how Adam Gadahn is a Jew, maybe Al-Quesadilla will actually do something about it. Until then... More of this sort of thing will continue.
Better to be hated for what you are, than loved for what you are not.
funny ;)
"The Ponzi scheme that is our fiat currency system is about to go the way of what was for a time the symbol of American superiority, General Motors... As I claimed in 2005 that GM would go bankrupt, I will now guarantee that the US government is soon to follow... We will default. We will restructure. It will be at this point our arrogance will end." -- Greg Simmons and Brett Buchanan of Scope Labs
Sorry - I believe the whole argument about oil is BS. We get most of our oil from Canada, South America, and Africa. We can buy the rest from multiple sources in the ME. Controlling Iraq through war -- does nothing for us, because we still have to pay for what they send to us. The "war for oil think" is for old world fools like Cheney and Rumsfeld. Today US natural gas can supplant oil as our fuel of choice -- it is there for the doing.
Damn, she must be proud of that spot to still have it. Kind of like Monica Lewinsky and her blue dress. The low-lifes that still post on LP are not really worthy of mention on this great sight though.
God is always good!
judging by israelis' behavior ---their grabbing of palestinian high ground in the west bank--- it looks like they believe in global warming: if all the ice melts, sea level will rise by 70 or 80 meters and flood out 70% of the israeli population... ...nevermind that it's gonna take a hundred or two hundred years for this flooding to happen: the land acquisition project has to be accomplished now, before israel's protector, america, collapses from oil shortages. seeing as how global crude oil production peaked in 2005, time is running out for america... so time is running out for america's ability to protect israel and the israelis' land grab project, which is why 9/11 had to be staged: 9/11 solidified american support for israel at a time when israelis have to accelerate their ethnic cleansing of the palestinian high ground. all this commotion provides cover for people whose main goal is looting america as it collapses: their supposed zionism, though, is nothing more than an attempt to cash in on israel's and jews' exemption from criticism, and those bigtime looters have actually already written israel off because it was such a bad idea in the first place.
critics of this theory cant refute the logic. so they have to resort to rejecting it on emotional grounds: "this cant be happening, i refuse to believe it, the american way is not negotiable, and humanity is incapable of heating the planet even though there's enough oil left to deposit an extra 30 billion tons of greenhouse gases into the atmosphere every year, forever."
worst of all, for people who deny the connections between peak oil, global warming, israel, 9/11 and the subsequent "war on terror" project... nobody can come up with a better explanation that ties all this stuff together. it should be noted here that the main deniers of peak oil and global warming are the israeli americans of the AEI and CERA, and their exxon allies... who incidentally were the people who, in sept 2000, said they needed a "new pearl harbor", then shortly afterward assumed positions from which they could make their "new pearl harbor" happen, and subsequently lied us into iraq... people whose philosophy of government includes strauss's theory of lying to the governed as a matter of policy. why anyone in their right mind would believe them about peak oil and global warming is a mystery, seeing as how they lied us into the iraq war and are attempting to lie us into war with iran. for an explanation of how exxon came to be hooked up with the israeli americans, read the comments to this article.
The two issues are not connected in this way. True both are frauds but the people calling B.S. on them are people who have looked at the data, are aware of what the data suggests, and in neither case is either peak oil or glowbull warming supported by valid scientific data. Glowbull Warming is the result of a combination of normal cyclical variations in climate and data manipulation - as the CRU e-mails underscore. Peak Oil is an outright fraud and there are multiple data sets strongly supporting tat contention. "An education isn't how much you have committed to memory, or even how much you know. It's being able to differentiate between what you know and what you don't. ~ Anatole France
too bad you cant provide data to substantiate your claims about oil reserves. or are you using the comic below to substantiate your claim? meanwhile, crude oil production peaked, year on year, in 2005. (see table 1.ld) if co2 is a greenhouse gas, and we're injecting tens of billions of tons of extra co2 into the atmosphere every year, what are the logical consequences?
eh, who let this fucking moron on the board? JK Go away you Jew sucker. NK
God is always good!
all this commotion provides cover for people whose main goal is looting america as it collapses: on that i fully agree with you. i don't buy the global warming theory at all. perhaps there is something to peak oil, whether there is or not, the control of and acquisition of oil is certainly a factor in the ME war(s) for Israel.
if co2 is a warming gas, and we've put a trillion tons of the stuff into the atmosphere, logic and physics say the planet will warm. i'm sitting here now in the middle of a blizzard, so i dont have any firsthand evidence of warming, but on the other hand, we have all these reports of glaciers retreating, droughts, forest fires and so on. if the climate scientists are right about the warming, undeniable evidence will appear sooner or later, and it looks to me like the physics of the situation pretty much locks us into warming. we'll just have to wait and see what happens. the most damning evidence for warming, though, is the behavior of the people who most likely responded to peak oil and global warming by staging 9/11, and now are at such pains to deny that peak oil and global warming exist. they used the same tactics, even some of the same people, to deny the harmful effects of tobacco... i seem to have plenty of evidence, after smoking for 50 years, that smoking is harmful.
As Mark Twain underscored (quoting Benjamin Disaraeli): Your graph relies upon incomplete data to make its false point. 1. There are massive reserves in the continental U.S. in both Alaska and Louisiana. So, "Peak Oil", like Glowbull Warming, is a contrived artifice to control the society and ensure the continued enrichment of the established elite.
"An education isn't how much you have committed to memory, or even how much you know. It's being able to differentiate between what you know and what you don't. ~ Anatole France
the "massive reserves" you're talking about are oil shale and tar sands... it's just too damn bad that you've got to use a barrel's worth of energy to get two or three barrels of oil from tar sands, and the energy returned on energy invested for oil shale is apparently too dismal to consider. what's the point of using up a barrel's worth of energy to get half a barrel of oil? Managing the Peak Fossil Fuel Transition: EROI and EIRR please post evidence that exhausted fields are replenishing fast enough to be commercially significant. please post evidence of any oil company, anywhere, using abiotic oil theory to find oil.
#2. To: F.A. Hayek Fan (#1)
Lord Acton
#3. To: James Deffenbach (#2)
It is a mystery to me why some people automatically assume that if you don't support the inbred jackass they support that you support the other one. Lack of logic and critical thinking skills is what I assume their problem is.
#4. To: James Deffenbach (#2)
Lack of logic and critical thinking skills is what I assume their problem is.
#5. To: F.A. Hayek Fan (#3)
Partisans are unable to look beyond the two-party fraud.
Lord Acton
#6. To: JRiggs (#4)
You assume correctly.
Lord Acton
#7. To: James Deffenbach (#5)
it is hard for me to understand why otherwise intelligent people really believe with all their hearts that there is such a huge difference in establishment whores.
#8. To: F.A. Hayek Fan (#1)
The fact that we ran off most of the Obama supporters during the presidential election means nothing to these partisan assholes, nor does the fact that we constantly post anti-Obama articles.
#9. To: F.A. Hayek Fan (#0)
#10. To: F.A. Hayek Fan (#1)
"Can we expect the posters at F4um to post THIS?!"
#11. To: F.A. Hayek Fan (#1)
For those wondering about the reference to odious (ODS-out damned spot), she mentioned something about us not posting this information, alluding that we are Obama supporters. That seems to be the mantra of the ODS and Whitesands types. Because we did not lick the balls of Bush and the republicrats we are automatically Obama supporters. The fact that we ran off most of the Obama supporters during the presidential election means nothing to these partisan assholes, nor does the fact that we constantly post anti-Obama articles.
#12. To: Big Meanie (#10)
"Can we expect the posters at F4um to post THIS?!"
#13. To: groundresonance (#9)
speaking of thinking...
#14. To: Big Meanie (#10)
#15. To: Original_Intent (#11)
Odious and 'botsands are not partisan Duhbya Supporters. They are blood drenched psychotic Israel Uber Alles supporters. They just want the U.S. to kill all of Israel's perceived, in their febrid distorted "minds", enemies. They are simply bloodthirsty ghouls who regard the existence of Israel and its right to steal, maim, and kill all those awful Islamic Goys as a birthright.
#16. To: F.A. Hayek Fan (#13)
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DC has become so byzantine-like that it is virtually impossible for an outsider to know what the real reason is for anything that goes on.
#17. To: F.A. Hayek Fan, James Deffenbach (#3)
artisans are unable to look beyond the two-party fraud. You either belong to one side or the other. They seem incapable of acknowledging the fact that there are other options.
The best gun to have, is the gun you have, when you need a gun.
#18. To: groundresonance (#16)
seems to me that most people who've thought it through would have to decide that israel was such a bad idea from day one that it's just not likely to survive, especially in light of peak oil and global warming...
#19. To: groundresonance (#16)
#20. To: F.A. Hayek Fan (#0)
23 children and 17 women,
#21. To: TommyTheMadArtist (#20)
Al-Quesadilla
#22. To: groundresonance (#16)
#23. To: F.A. Hayek Fan, out damned spot (#1)
#24. To: christine (#18)
(Edited)
in your opinion, how does peak oil and global warming (i don't believe in either) affect Israel's survival alone?
#25. To: Lod (#19)
(Edited)
WTF are you trying to say, or ask?
#26. To: christine (#18)
(Edited)
#27. To: groundresonance, christine (#26)
it should be noted here that the main deniers of peak oil and global warming are the israeli americans of the AEI and CERA, and their exxon allies..
A. Oil is an "abiotic" production of natural geologic processes within the planet and is NOT dead dinosaurs.
B. There are multiple sites of massive reserves that are simply being kept out of production and out of the public eye in order to manipulate prices and public reaction.
#28. To: Original_Intent (#27)
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#29. To: groundresonance (#28)
if co2 is a greenhouse gas, and we're injecting tens of billions of tons of extra co2 into the atmosphere every year, what are the logical consequences?
#30. To: groundresonance (#24)
(Edited)
time is running out for america... so time is running out for america's ability to protect israel and the israelis' land grab project, which is why 9/11 had to be staged: 9/11 solidified american support for israel at a time when israelis have to accelerate their ethnic cleansing of the palestinian high ground.
#31. To: christine (#30)
#32. To: groundresonance, christine (#28)
"Their are three kinds of lies;
lies,
damned lies,
and statistics.
(Not to mention the reserves on the continental shelf off of the coast of Florida which have been locked up due to "environmental concerns". Yeah, right, the elite psychotic plutocrats are really concerned about the environment.)
2. Supposedly exhausted oil fields are refilling from natural processes.
3. Dependence upon oil is a contrived scenario resulting from suppressing technology which would make it moot.
4. Oil is an abiotic product produced by natural geologic processes inside the Earth. The evidence supporting this is abundant and grows almost daily.
#33. To: Original_Intent (#32)
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