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Title: Glacier Retreat Has Beneficial Impact on Climate Change
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Published: Dec 28, 2009
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Post Date: 2009-12-28 03:18:30 by buckeroo
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ScienceDaily (Nov. 10, 2009) Large blooms of tiny marine plants called phytoplankton are flourishing in areas of open water left exposed by the recent and rapid melting of ice shelves and glaciers around the Antarctic Peninsula. This remarkable colonisation is having a beneficial impact on climate change. As the blooms die back phytoplankton sinks to the sea-bed where it can store carbon for thousands or millions of years. The retreat of glaciers since 1850 affects the availability of fresh water for irrigation and domestic use, mountain recreation, animals and plants that depend on glacier-melt, and in the longer term, the level of the oceans. Studied by glaciologists, the temporal coincidence of glacier retreat with the measured increase of atmospheric greenhouse gases is often cited as an evidentiary underpinning of global warming. Mid-latitude mountain ranges such as the Himalayas, Alps, Rocky Mountains, Cascade Range, and the southern Andes, as well as isolated tropical summits such as Mount Kilimanjaro in Africa, are showing some of the largest proportionate glacial loss.(IPCC)(Mlg). It is estimated the total area of extrapolar glaciers will have shrunk from 500,000 to 100,000 km by the year 2350.[1] The Little Ice Age was a period from about 1550 to 1850 when the world experienced relatively cooler temperatures compared to the present. Subsequently, until about 1940, glaciers around the world retreated as the climate warmed substantially. Glacial retreat slowed and even reversed temporarily, in many cases, between 1950 and 1980 as a slight global cooling occurred. However, since 1980 a significant global warming has led to glacier retreat becoming increasingly rapid and ubiquitous, so much so that some glaciers have disappeared altogether, and the existence of a great number of the remaining glaciers of the world is threatened. In locations such as the Andes of South America and Himalayas in Asia, the demise of glaciers in these regions will have potential impact on water supplies. The retreat of mountain glaciers, notably in western North America, Asia, the Alps, Indonesia and Africa, and tropical and subtropical regions of South America, has been used to provide qualitative evidence for the rise in global temperatures since the late 19th century.(IPCC2) (NSIDC) The recent substantial retreat and an acceleration of the rate of retreat since 1995 of a number of key outlet glaciers of the Greenland and West Antarctic ice sheets, may foreshadow a rise in sea level, having a potentially dramatic effect on coastal regions worldwide.
Poster Comment: Since the majority of the glaciers around the world are undeniably melting, how on Earth is the average temperature of the planet decreasing?
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#1. To: buckeroo, *Global Climate Change* (#0)
Many that were retreating have started to grow again.
"The only thing better than a Federal Reserve audit would be a Federal Reserve autopsy." ~ unknown
Show me!
“Gold is the money of kings; silver is the money of gentlemen; barter is the money of peasants; but debt is the money of slaves.”
I think Wudidiz did that already. Glaciers in Norway, Alaska, growing again Here's a (partial) list of the specific glaciers that are growing:
"The only thing better than a Federal Reserve audit would be a Federal Reserve autopsy." ~ unknown
You are sticking to your post AS A FACT, 'eh?
“Gold is the money of kings; silver is the money of gentlemen; barter is the money of peasants; but debt is the money of slaves.”
Absolutely.
"The only thing better than a Federal Reserve audit would be a Federal Reserve autopsy." ~ unknown
What is the percentage of GROWING glaciers to diminishing glaciers around the world? Claim your publick prize when you answer anywhere from 1-100%.
“Gold is the money of kings; silver is the money of gentlemen; barter is the money of peasants; but debt is the money of slaves.”
during the 80 and 90 glaciers were in retreat, not all but most. Recent cooling has started glaciers to growing again. Sadly studies are kept from the journals.
"The only thing better than a Federal Reserve audit would be a Federal Reserve autopsy." ~ unknown
Buckeroo why don't you answer your own question. Come on and tell us. Also what year will it be to late to combat gwobull wermin?
Error of opinion may be tolerated where reason is left free to combat it - Thomas Jefferson
Mankind can not combat the inevitable. Your questions are BS and categorically PROVE your position on the subject.
“Gold is the money of kings; silver is the money of gentlemen; barter is the money of peasants; but debt is the money of slaves.”
lol. My question was your question. So are you saying gwobull wermin isn't man made?
Error of opinion may be tolerated where reason is left free to combat it - Thomas Jefferson
Of course not. I claim man made or anthropogenic contributions are a significant factor. Note the parallelism between the two graphs below: “Gold is the money of kings; silver is the money of gentlemen; barter is the money of peasants; but debt is the money of slaves.”
Here is an entertaining yet informative YouTube video describing the problems:
“Gold is the money of kings; silver is the money of gentlemen; barter is the money of peasants; but debt is the money of slaves.”
"One of the least understood strategies of the world revolution now moving rapidly toward its goal is the use of mind control as a major means of obtaining the consent of the people who will be subjects of the New World Order." K.M. Heaton, The National Educator
You have your eye off-the-ball by looking at a few sample points. I am always discussing general trends not a single point phenomena.
“Gold is the money of kings; silver is the money of gentlemen; barter is the money of peasants; but debt is the money of slaves.”
Yeah, O_I, don't you know that global cooling and blizzards are sure signs of global warming? You better get with the program. ahaha.
Liberty is not a means to a higher political end. It is itself the highest political end. My bad, I didn't think. Of course growing ice sheets, record snow falls and bone chilling temperatures all add up to one thing: Glowbull Warming. How could I have been so silly as to think all of the recorded and quantified evidence of declining temperatures and increasing ice thickness in the arctic and antarctic meant anything other than Holy Global Warming? Excuse me a moment while I light another candle to St. Algore.
"One of the least understood strategies of the world revolution now moving rapidly toward its goal is the use of mind control as a major means of obtaining the consent of the people who will be subjects of the New World Order." K.M. Heaton, The National Educator
People can always cherry pick data. I believe we have some climate change-not sure how much man is responsible but I believe we have some impact. A smoggy day in the LA with convince anyone of that. A friend of the family works for Siemens in China-he has to wear a mask the pollution is so bad that at the endof the day it is black on the outside. He said the sky is always overcast due to the pollution. From the USGS website: A new book from the United States Geological Survey (USGS) reports that 99% of Alaska's large glaciers are retreating, but there are still a handful that are advancing. This is from a USGS press release. Don't get all your climate information from limbaugh or hannity.They skew the facts. RLimbaugh has chnaged his tuneover the years. First he said no gw, then 5-8 years ago he admitted the climate was changing but not due to man and now he is back to no GC whatsoever.
You're excused but please don't let it happen again. You know that when people are staggering around in snow up to their @$$e$ that all that can account for that is warm weather/glowbull warming.
Liberty is not a means to a higher political end. It is itself the highest political end. I do not find your strawman attempt to dismiss the data very convincing. The data is what the data is. The actual measurements and observation are the data. A theory is only as good as the data used to support it. GLOWBULL WARMING is only supported by data sets that have been jiggered (as demonstrated in the CRU e-mail dump) and fudged to produce a pre-determined conclusion in alignment with the Global PsyOp. That you are invincibly convinced that, all legitimate evidence to the contrary, that we are warming when all of the legitimate data says we are cooling only speaks to the efficacy of the Propaganda supporting the PsyOP. Of course since Glowbull Warming is actually about Global Control we can expect the Rothschilds/Rockefellers and their Vassals to continue to try to prop up the Glowbull Warming Agenda. In the end Glowbull Warming is about 2 things: Money and Power. Fini.
"One of the least understood strategies of the world revolution now moving rapidly toward its goal is the use of mind control as a major means of obtaining the consent of the people who will be subjects of the New World Order." K.M. Heaton, The National Educator
I don't know if there is global cooling or warming but the climate is changing. Ask any honest farmer without a bias who has been farming for decades and they will tell you the climate is changing. The warm spring now comes too early, farmers start planting and then get hit with frost as late as May. We had frost on May 8th of this year. And the fall comes too soon leaving crops not to mature.
You're excused but please don't let it happen again. You know that when people are staggering around in snow up to their @$$e$ that all that can account for that is warm weather/glowbull warming. I am glad that you made the correct connection citizen. Record snow falls and record low temperatures are sure indicators of the onset of Glowbull Warming.
"One of the least understood strategies of the world revolution now moving rapidly toward its goal is the use of mind control as a major means of obtaining the consent of the people who will be subjects of the New World Order." K.M. Heaton, The National Educator
The climate is cyclical. What we had ten years ago is not necessarily relevant, except in the broadest sense, to what we are experiencing today. The climatological record shows great variability over time. The planet has been both much warmer and much cooler in past epochs than what we are experiencing in present time. That is why we track data collected and attempt to extrapolate from current and past readings - to try to get some idea of the overall trend. In the past ten winters at my location I have seen everything from virtually zero snow during the winter to blizzards dropping 18 inches of snow. What is important is what the data actually is, and when people are caught jiggering the data (such as at the Climate Research Unit, CRU, in East Anglia) to support a conclusion the one thing you can conclude immediately is that the actual data did not support the predetermined conclusion.
"One of the least understood strategies of the world revolution now moving rapidly toward its goal is the use of mind control as a major means of obtaining the consent of the people who will be subjects of the New World Order." K.M. Heaton, The National Educator
Yeah, the climate changes. Big whoop, it always has and it's a good thing too. htt p://www.fcpp.org/pdf/FB050ClimateChangeintheRecentPastApr52007.pdf Executive Summary • Rapid climate change is not an unusual phenomenon in our planet’s history. Warmer periods have generally been better for people than cooler ones. The arrival of the Medieval Warm Period (MWP) During the 9th and 10th centuries, a warm period arrived in the north Atlantic that made it possible for the Norse population along the overpopulated Norwegian coast to sail and colonize Iceland. Records indicate that in 874 the Vikings took advantage of favourable ice conditions and permanently colonized the island. Earlier, Iceland had always been surrounded by ice, therefore its name. For a few hundred years, Iceland hosted a thriving colony of Norsemen with a mild and stable climate. They survived because it was possible to grow crops and grass to feed sheep. The new settlers from mainland Norway were able to grow various cereals during this mild period, crops that cannot be grown today. That this is not possible today is one of the proofs that the MWP was warmer than now. In the early 13th century, the first signs of climate change arrived, with more ice in the waters surrounding Iceland, which made communication with Norway difficult and risky.
Liberty is not a means to a higher political end. It is itself the highest political end. Indeed. "The Science is Settled™".
Liberty is not a means to a higher political end. It is itself the highest political end. Indeed. "The Science is Settled™". Exactly, and no accurate data must be allowed to surface which is contrary to the divine revelations of St. Algore. We must beeeeeeeeeeeeelieeeeeeeeeeeeeeve. Now close your eyes and click your heels 3 times while repeating: "Glowbull Warming is real, Glowbull Warming is real, Glowbull Warming is real." Are we in Kansas yet?
"One of the least understood strategies of the world revolution now moving rapidly toward its goal is the use of mind control as a major means of obtaining the consent of the people who will be subjects of the New World Order." K.M. Heaton, The National Educator
You forgot to add, "We're not in Kansas anymore!"
Liberty is not a means to a higher political end. It is itself the highest political end. Check my edit I made while you were writing. LOL! We're on the same page. ;-)
"One of the least understood strategies of the world revolution now moving rapidly toward its goal is the use of mind control as a major means of obtaining the consent of the people who will be subjects of the New World Order." K.M. Heaton, The National Educator
Yeah, I just noticed that a minute ago. That's funny.
Liberty is not a means to a higher political end. It is itself the highest political end. They couldn't sell this nonsense as global WARMING, because it was absurd, so the elite now call it climate change in hopes to recapture the asshats who BELIEVE in CHANGE. When they create terms, then change them because the sales pitch becomes laughable, red flags should be visible to anyone with a brain.
GW is mot a theory to be debated. It is a FACT. Do some original geophysical research beyond your enmity and distaste for AlGore and other politicians attempting to capitalize on the idea.
“Gold is the money of kings; silver is the money of gentlemen; barter is the money of peasants; but debt is the money of slaves.”
Geez, now that's a big line of bovine excrement there Bucky. You generally use "general trends" that never clearly demonstrate "man made" global warming. You say, look there are more people and we have more of this or that, but that isn't any kind of scientific determination. You are saying, without any data to back it up, that if you have more of this you get more of that. What folks are asking you for is not more graphs but some sort of scientific data to back up the CORRELATION you continue to make. By the way, there is subtantial data indicating that the earth's poles are moving and have been moving for some time. There is significant data indicating that such movement will cuase climate change. How can you blame a larger population for shifing of the poles, Bucky? Here we have a genuine explanation for the phenomenon you keep blaming on over population. How can we spin this pole shift into a human caused problem?
"The conscious and intelligent manipulation of the organized habits and opinions of the masses is an important element in democratic society. Those who manipulate this unseen mechanism of society constitute an invisible government which is the true ruling power of our country. ... We are governed, our minds are molded, our tastes formed, our ideas suggested, largely by men we have never heard of." Edward Bernays, Father of Public Relations
See my post #10-11. If those graphs don't link generally increasing temperatures and generally increasing human population growth together.... there just isn't anyway I can convince you. But it won't mean I won't continue to try, either.
“Gold is the money of kings; silver is the money of gentlemen; barter is the money of peasants; but debt is the money of slaves.”
The graphs do not make a correlation just because they go together, Bucky. During that same period of time the poles were moving, yet your graph doesn't account for this. During the same time there were major differences in solar flares, yet your graph doesn't account for that. Your graph accounts for increased population and increased temperature and you only see these two events happening simultaneously while omitting ALL other factors. Hence, you claim that indeed A must mean B, but that doesn't make it so. Simply because you have two events happening simultaneously, doesn't mean that one is causing the other to happen. Where is the evidence that the population increase causes the warming? I see your link, but this is not scientific proof of anything other than two events occuring simultaneously, which happens all the time.
"The conscious and intelligent manipulation of the organized habits and opinions of the masses is an important element in democratic society. Those who manipulate this unseen mechanism of society constitute an invisible government which is the true ruling power of our country. ... We are governed, our minds are molded, our tastes formed, our ideas suggested, largely by men we have never heard of." Edward Bernays, Father of Public Relations
If it were a fact then Glowbull Warming When one is practicing science one fits the theory to account for ALL of the evidence - not just the cherry picked and manipulated data which after much fudging appears to fit the predetermined theory. You can huff and puff until you turn blue in the face and it will not affect the true data and the true data does not support the Glowbull Warmining Hypothesis it in fact DISPROVES it. So, I have no idea where you are coming from other than you are unconvinced by facts if the facts do not fit your prejudices. Whatever it is you are pushing one thing it is not is science, and most definitely the Religion of Glowbull Warming is NOT a fact. It is a Global Fraud elevated to prominence by the Power Elite for their own agenda which has nothing whatsoever to do with the well being of the planet's ecosphere.
"One of the least understood strategies of the world revolution now moving rapidly toward its goal is the use of mind control as a major means of obtaining the consent of the people who will be subjects of the New World Order." K.M. Heaton, The National Educator
“Gold is the money of kings; silver is the money of gentlemen; barter is the money of peasants; but debt is the money of slaves.”
You are right - it is absurd - a big con job taken up by a few suckers who have been conditioned by the previous big looming catastrophe scares - such as "The Club of Rome's" "Limits To Growth" which predicted worldwide famine and food riots by the late 80's - 20 years ago. They have tried multiple angles to scare the environut crowd into false paths and down rabbit holes - to keep them distracted from the very real environmental problems that are being created by the industries and depredations of the Power Elite. This way they get nicely alarmed and active following paths that lead to more money and power for the Power Elite which funds the environmental movement (and which shares much in common with a bowel movement). So, you rightly point out, that now that the game is exposed they are rapidly trying to cover it with more word and name changes to be fit to the same Global PsyOp. So "Global Warming" (given the mountains of refutory data) becomes "Global Climate Change" a nice vague and meaningless term in the current context because it allows them to morph from the problem of too much warmth to too little and again they can have their crisis. "Yesterday's truth is tomorrow's lie. I imagine that soon Bucky will be warning us of the looming Ice Age (which is actually supported by the recorded data).
"One of the least understood strategies of the world revolution now moving rapidly toward its goal is the use of mind control as a major means of obtaining the consent of the people who will be subjects of the New World Order." K.M. Heaton, The National Educator
Here'a a collection of the big Ice Age scaremongering that was also blamed as "man made" even in the midst of claims that CO2 increases would cause warming.
"The conscious and intelligent manipulation of the organized habits and opinions of the masses is an important element in democratic society. Those who manipulate this unseen mechanism of society constitute an invisible government which is the true ruling power of our country. ... We are governed, our minds are molded, our tastes formed, our ideas suggested, largely by men we have never heard of." Edward Bernays, Father of Public Relations
I am not going to argue about political BS. Many of these scientists have motivation for receiving government grants to further continue their studies. This problem has occurred since the beginning of time when anyone sucks the teat of government. Curve fitting happens all the time within data collection; the goal is not (as you say) to make something up or a predetermined theory. It is to account for variables that may not be understood within the general trends. A good example is El Nina which accounts for recent cooling trends. Still the general trend of global average temperatures are increasing. How? From your NEWSMAX website? Read my posts. And if you don't care to read my posts, don't argue. Here try this series: “Gold is the money of kings; silver is the money of gentlemen; barter is the money of peasants; but debt is the money of slaves.”
That really is an awesome video. Lots of good stuff in there. But really, Buck, what shall be done about compounding humans? Would global regulation make it all better? That's the big solution offered for this global warming scam. Is that what you want? Maybe mandatory neutering would suffice? How about allowing the oncoming famines to take out millions? How about allowing the viruses to take out millions? What do you suggest, Buck?
"The conscious and intelligent manipulation of the organized habits and opinions of the masses is an important element in democratic society. Those who manipulate this unseen mechanism of society constitute an invisible government which is the true ruling power of our country. ... We are governed, our minds are molded, our tastes formed, our ideas suggested, largely by men we have never heard of." Edward Bernays, Father of Public Relations
Thats about eighty minutes of video that was posted, yet you responded in less than ten minutes. Watch the series and then comment and ask me questions. I will be happy to answer questions assuming they are bona-fide and characteristic of a good hearted nature. :)
“Gold is the money of kings; silver is the money of gentlemen; barter is the money of peasants; but debt is the money of slaves.”
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Top • Page Up • Full Thread • Page Down • Bottom/LatestSince the majority of the glaciers around the world are undeniably melting, how on Earth is the average temperature of the planet decreasing?
"The trouble with people is not that they don't know but that they know so much that ain't so." ~ Josh Billings
#2. To: buckeroo (#0)
Since the majority of the glaciers around the world are undeniably melting,
#3. To: farmfriend (#2)
#4. To: buckeroo (#3)
#5. To: farmfriend (#4)
#6. To: buckeroo (#5)
You are sticking to your post AS A FACT, 'eh?
#7. To: farmfriend (#6)
#8. To: buckeroo (#7)
#9. To: buckeroo (#7)
#10. To: A K A Stone (#9)
#11. To: buckeroo (#10)
Your questions are BS
#12. To: A K A Stone (#11)
So are you saying gwobull wermin isn't man made?
#13. To: A K A Stone (#11)
#14. To: wudidiz, farmfriend, buckeroo, all (#1)
877 new snowfall records set or tied in the USA last week
Growing Glaciers
Antarctic Ice Growing
World Sea Ice 25 Year High
ICE not fire may be the bigger worry
Sea Levels Falling not Rising
#15. To: Original_Intent (#14)
#16. To: buckeroo, Original_Intent (#15)
Lord Acton
#17. To: James Deffenbach (#16)
Yeah, O_I, don't you know that global cooling and blizzards are sure signs of global warming?
#18. To: wudidiz, buckeroo (#1)
Alaskan Glacier Growing Rapidly - “Icy Bay glaciers get up and go”
#19. To: Original_Intent (#17)
Excuse me a moment while I light another candle to St. Algore.
Lord Acton
#20. To: buckeroo, James Deffenbach, farmfriend, Jethro Tull, all (#15)
World Climate Report » The Coming Global Cooling?
EDITORIAL: Hiding Evidence of Global Cooling
C3: Global Cooling: Data/Evidence/Trends
#21. To: James Deffenbach (#19)
(Edited)
You know that when people are staggering around in snow up to their @$$e$ that all that can account for that is warm weather/glowbull warming.
#22. To: James Deffenbach (#19)
Excuse me a moment while I light another candle to St. Algore.
#23. To: belmontconservative, James Deffenbach, all (#21)
I don't know if there is global cooling or warming but the climate is changing.
#24. To: belmontconservative (#21)
(Edited)
I don't know if there is global cooling or warming but the climate is changing. Ask any honest farmer without a bias who has been farming for decades and they will tell you the climate is changing.
• During the Medieval Warm Period (MWP), large groups of Norwegians settled in Iceland and Greenland.
• The MWP allowed European farmers to cultivate crops much further north and at higher elevations than today.
• Bountiful harvests freed up surplus manpower, which was subsequently tapped to build cathedrals and bridges.
• When the Earth cooled at the end of the MWP, Europe was hit with a deluge of extreme weather, floods and storms that remade the landscape and killed thousands of people.
• The Little Ice Age that ensued caused great havoc and, as with the MWP, played a key role in changing Europe’s history.
• The histories of glacial activity and cloud formation provide further evidence of recent, rapid climate change.
• When the consequences of rapid global warming are compared with those for rapid global cooling, it’s clear that mankind suffers more harm from the latter.
Lord Acton
#25. To: Original_Intent (#22)
I am glad that you made the correct connection citizen. Record snow falls and record low temperatures are sure indicators of the onset of Glowbull Warming.
Lord Acton
#26. To: James Deffenbach (#25)
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I am glad that you made the correct connection citizen. Record snow falls and record low temperatures are sure indicators of the onset of Glowbull Warming.
#27. To: Original_Intent (#26)
Now close your eyes and click your heels 3 times while repeating: "Glowbull Warming is real, Glowbull Warming is real, Glowbull Warming is real."
Lord Acton
#28. To: James Deffenbach (#27)
#29. To: Original_Intent (#28)
Lord Acton
#30. To: Original_Intent (#20)
#31. To: Original_Intent (#20)
A theory is only as good as the data used to support it.
#32. To: buckeroo (#15)
You have your eye off-the-ball by looking at a few sample points. I am always discussing general trends not a single point phenomena.
#33. To: abraxas (#32)
You generally use "general trends" that never clearly demonstrate "man made" global warming. You say, look there are more people and we have more of this or that, but that isn't any kind of scientific determination.
#34. To: buckeroo (#33)
See my post #10-11. If those graphs don't link generally increasing temperatures and generally increasing human population growth together.... there just isn't anyway I can convince you. But it won't mean I won't continue to try, either.
#35. To: buckeroo (#31)
GW is mot a theory to be debated. It is a FACT. Do some original geophysical research beyond your enmity and distaste for AlGore and other politicians attempting to capitalize on the idea.
Scientists advocates would not have to falsify and cherry pick data to fit the data to the theory.
#36. To: Original_Intent (#17)
My bad, I didn't think. Of course growing ice sheets, record snow falls and bone chilling temperatures all add up to one thing: Glowbull Warming.
Your reading on awkward NEWSMAX websites clearly points to your prolific delusions.
#37. To: Jethro Tull, buckeroo (#30)
They couldn't sell this nonsense as global WARMING, because it was absurd, so the elite now call it climate change in hopes to recapture the asshats who BELIEVE in CHANGE. When they create terms, then change them because the sales pitch becomes laughable, red flags should be visible to anyone with a brain.
#38. To: buckeroo (#36)
Gee, Bucky, the scientific consensus on this issue sure has changed over the past 40 years........right? All that remains the same is the scaremongering. Perhaps that's because paychecks depend upon it. : )
#39. To: Original_Intent (#35)
If it were a fact then Glowbull Warming
Scientists advocates would not have to falsify and cherry pick data to fit the data to the theory. When one is practicing science one fits the theory to account for ALL of the evidence - not just the cherry picked and manipulated data which after much fudging appears to fit the predetermined theory.
You can huff and puff until you turn blue in the face and it will not affect the true data and the true data does not support the Glowbull Warmining Hypothesis it in fact DISPROVES it.
So, I have no idea where you are coming from other than you are unconvinced by facts if the facts do not fit your prejudices. Whatever it is you are pushing one thing it is not is science, and most definitely the Religion of Glowbull Warming is NOT a fact. It is a Global Fraud elevated to prominence by the Power Elite for their own agenda which has nothing whatsoever to do with the well being of the planet's ecosphere.
#40. To: buckeroo (#39)
#41. To: abraxas (#40)
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