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Title: Glacier Retreat Has Beneficial Impact on Climate Change
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URL Source: http://www.drudge.com/news/128421/g ... -retreat-has-beneficial-impact
Published: Dec 28, 2009
Author: staff
Post Date: 2009-12-28 03:18:30 by buckeroo
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Views: 1178
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ScienceDaily (Nov. 10, 2009) Large blooms of tiny marine plants called phytoplankton are flourishing in areas of open water left exposed by the recent and rapid melting of ice shelves and glaciers around the Antarctic Peninsula. This remarkable colonisation is having a beneficial impact on climate change. As the blooms die back phytoplankton sinks to the sea-bed where it can store carbon for thousands or millions of years. The retreat of glaciers since 1850 affects the availability of fresh water for irrigation and domestic use, mountain recreation, animals and plants that depend on glacier-melt, and in the longer term, the level of the oceans. Studied by glaciologists, the temporal coincidence of glacier retreat with the measured increase of atmospheric greenhouse gases is often cited as an evidentiary underpinning of global warming. Mid-latitude mountain ranges such as the Himalayas, Alps, Rocky Mountains, Cascade Range, and the southern Andes, as well as isolated tropical summits such as Mount Kilimanjaro in Africa, are showing some of the largest proportionate glacial loss.(IPCC)(Mlg). It is estimated the total area of extrapolar glaciers will have shrunk from 500,000 to 100,000 km by the year 2350.[1] The Little Ice Age was a period from about 1550 to 1850 when the world experienced relatively cooler temperatures compared to the present. Subsequently, until about 1940, glaciers around the world retreated as the climate warmed substantially. Glacial retreat slowed and even reversed temporarily, in many cases, between 1950 and 1980 as a slight global cooling occurred. However, since 1980 a significant global warming has led to glacier retreat becoming increasingly rapid and ubiquitous, so much so that some glaciers have disappeared altogether, and the existence of a great number of the remaining glaciers of the world is threatened. In locations such as the Andes of South America and Himalayas in Asia, the demise of glaciers in these regions will have potential impact on water supplies. The retreat of mountain glaciers, notably in western North America, Asia, the Alps, Indonesia and Africa, and tropical and subtropical regions of South America, has been used to provide qualitative evidence for the rise in global temperatures since the late 19th century.(IPCC2) (NSIDC) The recent substantial retreat and an acceleration of the rate of retreat since 1995 of a number of key outlet glaciers of the Greenland and West Antarctic ice sheets, may foreshadow a rise in sea level, having a potentially dramatic effect on coastal regions worldwide.
Poster Comment: Since the majority of the glaciers around the world are undeniably melting, how on Earth is the average temperature of the planet decreasing?
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#47. To: buckeroo (#45)
I linked to the actual images in the scale that they had them set up in. I would think them embarrassing only if they were not accurate representations of the true data. Actually as long as they don't stretch the wrap I prefer the larger images as they are easier to read and analyze.
"One of the least understood strategies of the world revolution now moving rapidly toward its goal is the use of mind control as a major means of obtaining the consent of the people who will be subjects of the New World Order." K.M. Heaton, The National Educator
To be fair, it was manipulation of Einstein's theory that proved black holes and gave birth to the theory of a massive black hole in the center of the universe: The possibility that stars could collapse to form black holes was first theoretically "discovered" in 1939 by J. Robert Oppenheimer and Hartland Snyder, who were manipulating the equations of Einstein's general relativity. The first black hole believed to be discovered in the physical world, as opposed to the mathematical world of pencil and paper, was Cygnus X-1, about 7,000 light-years from Earth. (A light-year, the distance light travels in a year, is about six trillion miles.) Cygnus X-1 was found in 1970. Since then, a dozen excellent black hole candidates have been identified. Many astronomers and astrophysicists believe that massive black holes, with sizes up to 10 million times that of our sun, inhabit the centers of energetic galaxies and quasars and are responsible for their enormous energy release. Ironically, Einstein himself did not believe in the existence of black holes, even though they were predicted by his theory. (NOVA) : ) My bad, Oppenheimer proved his point with evidence Einstein used to disprove black holes.
"The conscious and intelligent manipulation of the organized habits and opinions of the masses is an important element in democratic society. Those who manipulate this unseen mechanism of society constitute an invisible government which is the true ruling power of our country. ... We are governed, our minds are molded, our tastes formed, our ideas suggested, largely by men we have never heard of." Edward Bernays, Father of Public Relations
Correct. I confused you with your pal, James Deffenbach on another thread wherein both of you NEVER offer facts: And the Earth's average temperature is heating up BECAUSE of human over-population and known by-products. Buck, everyone is entitled to their own opinion(s). No one is entitled to their own facts. When you consider that the amount of greenhouse gasses created by one--yeah, ONE--volcanic eruption is more than equal to anything that the whole human race could do in many years, even you should understand that man has very little to do with climate change. The climate changes all the time and it's a good thing. But you just keep on believing how the bad old people are all bent on destroying the earth and how there are too many of them, blah, blah, blah. Scientist: Earth Cooling, Not Warming Atmospheric temperature is regulated by the sun, which fluctuates in activity as shown in Figure 3; by the greenhouse effect, largely caused by atmospheric water vapor (H2O); and by other phenomena that are more poorly understood. While major greenhouse gas H2O substantially warms the Earth, minor greenhouse gases such as CO2 have little effect, as shown in Figures 2 and 3. The 6-fold increase in hydrocarbon use since 1940 has had no noticeable effect on atmospheric temperature or on the trend in glacier length. CLIMATE CHANGE: It's official: the world is cooling, not warming Solar activity very closely matches not only recent global temperature changes but also historical changes for the past 1100 years. For instance, the Maunder Minimum (1645-1715) was an extremely cold period in which there was very little sunspot activity. Earlier, the Medieval Warm Period (950-1300) was a time when the Vikings colonised Greenland, now much of it covered in a thick ice-sheet. WTF, Buck? Did the Vikings cause global warming with all that old diesel fuel they used in their boats? No, I didn't think so. Maybe it was all their SUV's and stuff--reckon that was it? Liberty is not a means to a higher political end. It is itself the highest political end. Lord Acton James Deffenbach “Gold is the money of kings; silver is the money of gentlemen; barter is the money of peasants; but debt is the money of slaves.”
Resize them for a political chit-chat channel. You know how to do that, correct?
“Gold is the money of kings; silver is the money of gentlemen; barter is the money of peasants; but debt is the money of slaves.”
And you never answered the question buck. Did the Vikings cause the Medieval Warming Period? And if so, how did they do it? They didn't have planes and motorized transportation, at least there is no evidence of it.
Liberty is not a means to a higher political end. It is itself the highest political end. “Gold is the money of kings; silver is the money of gentlemen; barter is the money of peasants; but debt is the money of slaves.”
Why should I? You used a disgusting website to support your opinion. I don't have time for your BS. Other than I know, you have too much time on your hands searching of Liberty_Post and NEWSMAX.
“Gold is the money of kings; silver is the money of gentlemen; barter is the money of peasants; but debt is the money of slaves.”
Actually no I'd have to look it up since I don't post a lot of images anymore. In any event personally I like them in the larger size because they are data and are more readily looked at and analyzed than inky dinky thumbnails. I guess it is a matter of preference - it is not intended to offend just inform.
"One of the least understood strategies of the world revolution now moving rapidly toward its goal is the use of mind control as a major means of obtaining the consent of the people who will be subjects of the New World Order." K.M. Heaton, The National Educator
Why did you use the USA general temperatures (a local phenomena) as a method to counter my point concerning general world trends? Sometimes, I don't think you are bright. In case you hadn't noticed only one of the 3 graphs was exclusive to the U.S.. You are quibbling again. In any event last I checked we did live in the U.S.. Don't you?
"One of the least understood strategies of the world revolution now moving rapidly toward its goal is the use of mind control as a major means of obtaining the consent of the people who will be subjects of the New World Order." K.M. Heaton, The National Educator
Wait a minute. I refute YOUR own data that was supposed TO PROVE global warming is a myth and you only say, I am quibbling? Come again? And by the way, re-size your pictures for your viewing audience. You can still perform that goal on your own awkward and clumsy posts.
“Gold is the money of kings; silver is the money of gentlemen; barter is the money of peasants; but debt is the money of slaves.”
LOL! Pointing out that ONE OF THREE graphs was for the U.S. only is a refutation of nothing. It is another attempt to avoid clear and unequivocable graphic evidence which shows that Glowbull Warming is at best inaccurate and at worst a lie. The evidence does not support Glowbull Warming and the long term climatologic trends, as illustrated, in the other TWO OF THREE graphs, demonstrate the reverse.
"One of the least understood strategies of the world revolution now moving rapidly toward its goal is the use of mind control as a major means of obtaining the consent of the people who will be subjects of the New World Order." K.M. Heaton, The National Educator
With your one picture at the top of your list that is clearly BOGUS ensures the rest of your post is discarded. You aren't into discussing the truth by posting lies and hearsay information and without that spirit of TRUTH and objective fact, do you think I fucking care about reading your other goddamned BS?
“Gold is the money of kings; silver is the money of gentlemen; barter is the money of peasants; but debt is the money of slaves.”
Bucky you are dissembling again. In no way did I lie and your attempt to falsely assert that I did is in fact itself A LIE. You are lying by rote and by habit. There is nothing whatsoever bogus in that first graph. It is clearly labeled and is clearly data, representing nearly an entire continent, which is significant and relevant to the discussion. Your attempt to dismiss it as anything other than what it is, a subset of the available data, is in fact the lie. You are simply trying to manufacture a reason for rejecting it since you cannot disprove the data. It IS a factual representation and your attempt to color it otherwise is nothing more than an old threadbare 'bot tactic which I have dismembered many times. I think at this point we have established enough of a history on this thread to demonstrate several things very clearly. You ARE habitually dishonest. You long ago lost this debate on merit and are at this point merely proving yourself to be either a fanatic or operating from another agenda. You ARE at every corner refusing to look at any information which might disturb the the LIE of Glowbull Warming. You steadfastly refuse to acknowledge or comment upon factual data other than to attempt to divert from it and grant credence to nothing which is in contrast to the Official LIE. You therefore clearly show yourself to not be honest in this debate and examination which is founded upon factual information. Your disengenuousness has at every turn looked to logical fallacies and avoidance as your primary tactics. One thing that has become clear in this debate is that the truth is not in you.
"One of the least understood strategies of the world revolution now moving rapidly toward its goal is the use of mind control as a major means of obtaining the consent of the people who will be subjects of the New World Order." K.M. Heaton, The National Educator
ROTFL ... lQQk at all the folks you want to drag here. Instead of re-thinking your posts and changing your ways, methods and focus, you decided to have a Spanish Inquisition. You are too much! You must be 4UM's Class Klown.
“Gold is the money of kings; silver is the money of gentlemen; barter is the money of peasants; but debt is the money of slaves.”
The truth is the truth no matter what website it is on. But then I wouldn't expect a disciple of Al Gore to understand that. I already knew you couldn't answer the question. You global warmist bs'ers are struck dumb when presented with evidence about the Medieval Warm Period--a period of time when there were NO internal combustion engines. No planes, trucks, cars, railroads--none of that. And yet the earth was warmer then than it is now.
Liberty is not a means to a higher political end. It is itself the highest political end. It's uncanny. I had you pegged a LONG time ago you disruptor POS. Why not admit you voted for the National Globalist Party (again), down a liter (since you don't have balls to do it sober), put a .357 mag (or .38 special, no matter) in your mouth and start the depopulation - global cooling process yourself ? Right now, buck, just S-Q-U-E-E-Z-E and B-L-E-E-D you bot whore...
Go stuff your climate change resilience to the truth. And snuggle up in that igloo with a torch.
“Gold is the money of kings; silver is the money of gentlemen; barter is the money of peasants; but debt is the money of slaves.”
Hey pickleroo, I just read your comments to J T on another thread. Were I to do that, I'd be banned as would anyone else that behaves towards J T and Christine in such a borish way. Go shit in your glow bull warmist piss puddle on your own dime, you fucking Traitor...
Whoa! How did you learn the word, U-N-C-A-N-N-Y? Did Original_Intent teach you through his home brew correspondence classes via email?
“Gold is the money of kings; silver is the money of gentlemen; barter is the money of peasants; but debt is the money of slaves.”
Go stuff JT down your throat.
“Gold is the money of kings; silver is the money of gentlemen; barter is the money of peasants; but debt is the money of slaves.”
Now I'm not the only one here that knows, Traitor...everyone knows now. I'm sure the nest has room for MAYBE one more asshole. If you hurry.
How about I stuff you into the ocean in moderate sized pieces about 30 nautical miles straight out, fish bait ?
That's rich coming from you. You have shown, over and over, that you can't be bothered with any facts which call your glowbull warming religion into doubt and disrepute.
Liberty is not a means to a higher political end. It is itself the highest political end. Hey lQQk pal .... you can make all the lamer claims you want. And still, I don't care about you or your fucked-upped method of fascism. Go slam yourself elsewhere.
“Gold is the money of kings; silver is the money of gentlemen; barter is the money of peasants; but debt is the money of slaves.”
I'll bet you're off jacking some other website on someone else's dime in short order. Want to place your bet ?
That is because you can't EVEN spell the phenomena in a correct English sense. Your concept is BS.
“Gold is the money of kings; silver is the money of gentlemen; barter is the money of peasants; but debt is the money of slaves.”
I am offing you to the gutter now. See you when I take you out punk. Ever notice why I never replied to earlier crap you say? Now, I won't even read it.
“Gold is the money of kings; silver is the money of gentlemen; barter is the money of peasants; but debt is the money of slaves.”
It is a better place now that "rotara" is gone. :)
“Gold is the money of kings; silver is the money of gentlemen; barter is the money of peasants; but debt is the money of slaves.”
LOL! This coming from a dip$#it who spells look with two q's and clown with a K. Have another drink buck.
Liberty is not a means to a higher political end. It is itself the highest political end. ROTFL ... I only used that spelling as a method of confrontation about O_I's and yours. Take a pill and go watch LibertyPost. And find a thread or post that gives you an erection. And then post it here to capture the attention of serious people.
“Gold is the money of kings; silver is the money of gentlemen; barter is the money of peasants; but debt is the money of slaves.”
You didn't respond because you're a top shelf TROLL that blows like a reed in the wind until your true colors are exposed. You played the game like a tard, btw...and yes, it's tempting to put you on my own personal list. But you're such a fucking non-issue waste of time in terms of wasting assets on your dying carcass. Enjoy hell, fucker...
I'm still here, but your days are dwindling.
I now fully believe it's true what people say about you and arator.
Poor Bucky. Now laid bare in his serial dishonesty all he can do is sputter and result to childish/'bot name calling. This one's for you Buck: "One of the least understood strategies of the world revolution now moving rapidly toward its goal is the use of mind control as a major means of obtaining the consent of the people who will be subjects of the New World Order." K.M. Heaton, The National Educator
Hows that IGLOO going? Its damned nice in paradise!
“Gold is the money of kings; silver is the money of gentlemen; barter is the money of peasants; but debt is the money of slaves.”
This one's for you Buck: LOL! Yeah, poor, poor little troll. Surely Al Gore will be along shortly to buy him another drink.
Liberty is not a means to a higher political end. It is itself the highest political end. and don't forget buck's very own "fucked upped." ;P
"Obama outbushing Bush"~Gerald Celente
Yeah, I hadn't forgotten that one. Who could? LOL! I think he beze dat way if you know what I'm sayin'.
Liberty is not a means to a higher political end. It is itself the highest political end. We are too sweetie.
"The only thing better than a Federal Reserve audit would be a Federal Reserve autopsy." ~ unknown
I totally agree. It was never about warming or the environment. Back in the 70s they were using global cooling and the impending ice age to push for CO2 controls. Well an over active sun, PDO and ENSO in warming phases pushed temps up slightly (assuming you can believe the data), so the band wagon was switched from AGC to AGW. As things have started to cool they are now pushing ocean acidity to hang their CO2 controls on.
"The only thing better than a Federal Reserve audit would be a Federal Reserve autopsy." ~ unknown
...Stop or quit making pictures SO FUCKING LARGE. You are embarrassing to the discussion because of your games.
#48. To: buckeroo (#44)
I have never read any such thing other than being a teen, swooned within the motion picture studio eating popcorn and sucking a Pepsi. Maybe you can find a quote to support your memories.
#49. To: Original_Intent (#43)
As we both know - I have NEVER listed NewsMax as source for anything I have EVER posted on this board - and that includes the current thread.
#47. To: buckeroo (#46)
#50. To: Original_Intent (#47)
I linked to the actual images in the scale that they had them set up in.
#51. To: buckeroo (#49)
Lord Acton
#52. To: Original_Intent (#43)
(Edited)
Why did you use the USA general temperatures (a local phenomena) as a method to counter my point concerning general world trends? Sometimes, I don't think you are bright.
#53. To: James Deffenbach (#51)
And you never answered the question buck.
#54. To: buckeroo (#50)
Resize them for a political chit-chat channel. You know how to do that, correct?
#55. To: buckeroo (#52)
#56. To: Original_Intent (#55)
You are quibbling again.
#57. To: buckeroo (#56)
Wait a minute. I refute YOUR own data that was supposed TO PROVE global warming is a myth and you only say, I am quibbling?
#58. To: Original_Intent (#57)
Pointing out that ONE OF THREE graphs was for the U.S. only is a refutation of nothing.
#59. To: buckeroo, christine, farmfriend, wudidiz, TwentyTwelve, James Deffenbach, Jethro Tull, HOUNDDAWG, bluegrass, Kamala, Deacon Benjamin, HappyToBeMe-4um, Itistoolate, Esso, all (#58)
(Edited)
#60. To: Original_Intent (#59)
you are dissembling again.
#61. To: buckeroo (#53)
Why should I? You used a disgusting website to support your opinion.
Lord Acton
#62. To: buckeroo, Original_Intent, Jethro Tull, christine (#60)
"If you love wealth more than liberty, the tranquility of servitude better than the animating contest of freedom, depart from us in peace. We ask not your counsel nor your arms. Crouch down and lick the hand that feeds you. May your chains rest lightly upon you and may posterity forget that you were our countrymen.”—Samuel Adams 
#63. To: James Deffenbach (#61)
The truth is the truth
#64. To: buckeroo (#63)
(Edited)
"If you love wealth more than liberty, the tranquility of servitude better than the animating contest of freedom, depart from us in peace. We ask not your counsel nor your arms. Crouch down and lick the hand that feeds you. May your chains rest lightly upon you and may posterity forget that you were our countrymen.”—Samuel Adams
#65. To: Rotara (#62)
It's uncanny. I had you pegged a LONG time ago you disruptor POS.
#66. To: Rotara (#64)
#67. To: buckeroo (#65)
"If you love wealth more than liberty, the tranquility of servitude better than the animating contest of freedom, depart from us in peace. We ask not your counsel nor your arms. Crouch down and lick the hand that feeds you. May your chains rest lightly upon you and may posterity forget that you were our countrymen.”—Samuel Adams
#68. To: buckeroo (#66)
(Edited)
"If you love wealth more than liberty, the tranquility of servitude better than the animating contest of freedom, depart from us in peace. We ask not your counsel nor your arms. Crouch down and lick the hand that feeds you. May your chains rest lightly upon you and may posterity forget that you were our countrymen.”—Samuel Adams
#69. To: buckeroo (#63)
Go stuff your climate change resilience to the truth.
Lord Acton
#70. To: Rotara (#67)
Now I'm not the only one here that knows, Traitor...everyone knows now.
#71. To: buckeroo (#70)
(Edited)
"If you love wealth more than liberty, the tranquility of servitude better than the animating contest of freedom, depart from us in peace. We ask not your counsel nor your arms. Crouch down and lick the hand that feeds you. May your chains rest lightly upon you and may posterity forget that you were our countrymen.”—Samuel Adams
#72. To: James Deffenbach (#69)
You have shown, over and over, that you can't be bothered with any facts which call your glowbull warming religion into doubt and disrepute.
#73. To: Rotara (#71)
#74. To: All (#73)
#75. To: buckeroo, Original_Intent (#72)
That is because you can't EVEN spell the phenomena in a correct English sense. Your concept is BS.
Lord Acton
#76. To: James Deffenbach (#75)
#77. To: buckeroo (#73)
"If you love wealth more than liberty, the tranquility of servitude better than the animating contest of freedom, depart from us in peace. We ask not your counsel nor your arms. Crouch down and lick the hand that feeds you. May your chains rest lightly upon you and may posterity forget that you were our countrymen.”—Samuel Adams
#78. To: buckeroo (#74)
It is a better place now that "rotara" is gone. :)
"If you love wealth more than liberty, the tranquility of servitude better than the animating contest of freedom, depart from us in peace. We ask not your counsel nor your arms. Crouch down and lick the hand that feeds you. May your chains rest lightly upon you and may posterity forget that you were our countrymen.”—Samuel Adams
#79. To: buckeroo, arator (#76)
"If you love wealth more than liberty, the tranquility of servitude better than the animating contest of freedom, depart from us in peace. We ask not your counsel nor your arms. Crouch down and lick the hand that feeds you. May your chains rest lightly upon you and may posterity forget that you were our countrymen.”—Samuel Adams
#80. To: James Deffenbach, buckeroo, all (#75)
#81. To: Original_Intent (#80)
Poor Bucky
#82. To: Original_Intent (#80)
Poor Bucky. Now laid bare in his serial dishonesty all he can do is sputter and result to childish/'bot name calling.
Lord Acton
#83. To: James Deffenbach, buckeroo (#75)
#84. To: christine (#83)
and don't forget buck's very own "fucked upped." ;P
Lord Acton
#85. To: buckeroo, Original_Intent (#15)
I am always discussing general trends not a single point phenomena.
#86. To: Original_Intent, buckeroo, James Deffenbach, Jethro Tull (#20)
Of course since Glowbull Warming is actually about Global Control we can expect the Rothschilds/Rockefellers and their Vassals to continue to try to prop up the Glowbull Warming Agenda. In the end Glowbull Warming is about 2 things: Money and Power. Fini.
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