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Title: Is There a Constituency for Liberty in the U.S. Media?
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URL Source: http://www.lewrockwell.com/anderson/anderson274.html
Published: Dec 29, 2009
Author: Bill Anderson
Post Date: 2009-12-29 06:50:03 by Ada
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When I was a journalism student at the University of Tennessee 35 years ago, one thing we were told over and over again was that journalism served a "watchdog" role in keeping tabs on government. I had assumed (naïvely, of course) that the term "watchdog" meant serving as a counterforce against the predations of the state.

Alas, what I have found that it really means is that modern journalists and their mainstream organs like the New York Times, Washington Post, Vanity Fair, Time and Newsweek, not to mention a gaggle of numerous smaller wannabe publications, are making sure that the state is using all of its powers and then some to push people into line. As a college professor who works on a faculty that is overwhelmingly left-liberal, the one thing I hear time and again from my colleagues is that people need a tough, "kick-ass" government to make them behave.

The modern mantra of journalists is "comfort the afflicted, afflict the comfortable," and we see that theme pursued time and again. This leads to situations that tell me that the press sees itself as the entity that will ensure that the government keeps all of us in line, as we cannot be trusted with anything as individuals. And Lord help someone who really thinks that the Bill of Rights was a restriction against the powers of the state against individuals; such thinking is "so 18th Century" or worse.

Take the Martha Stewart case, for example. According to the Usual Pundits on both the right and the left, the conviction and imprisonment (albeit rather brief) of Stewart represented a triumphant moment in which we once again affirmed the Principle that No One is Above the Law. Actually, it demonstrated a more fundamental condition fully supported by the mainstream media (or MSM): the state and its prosecutors are above the law, and the press will make sure of that.

Why do I make such a charge? There was no way the feds could charge Stewart with insider trading, and they knew it. Thus, they hatched a plan with the NYT and Wall Street Journal being complicit in lawbreaking: prosecutors fed secret grand jury information to those papers that was designed to damage the stock price of Martha Stewart Living and compel Stewart to meet with prosecutors and investigators in order to stop the bleeding. (In fact, Stewart was convicted of lying to investigators during that fateful meeting.)

It is a felony to leak grand jury information and is punishable by up to five years in prison. Yet, the feds did it and no one – no one – in the media complained about this episode of lawbreaking which was done in order to trick someone into committing a "crime" so that the press could have its Big Story and the prosecutors could indict and convict its Big Fish.

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So, who is above the law here? The "watchdog" media assured federal prosecutors and their minions that both they and the media could do what they darned well please, and the law be damned. (After all, the law only is for "little people," not for Important People like prosecutors and reporters for the NYT.) There was no mention of this situation on any editorial pages of our "prestigious" newspapers; instead, we saw only the self-congratulation that happens when the media allies itself with dishonest prosecutors to railroad "chosen" people into prison.

Lest anyone think I am simply "defending the rich" (which, apparently, is a crime in and of itself in this present time), I also look at the behavior of prosecutors across the country who regularly violate the law and certainly the U.S. Constitution, all with the blessings of the media, both right and left. It is very rare that any news organization calls for any sanctions to be placed on prosecutors who are exposed as lawbreakers.

Tom Kirkendall, a Houston attorney who actually cares about the Bill of Rights, has written many posts on his blog about the prosecutorial wrongdoing in the Enron case and the prosecution of R. Allen Stanford. (The only thing the feds have not done in the Stanford case is to declare him an "enemy combatant" and hold him in the same conditions they held José Padilla.)

Yet, there is no outrage in the media. Ironically, Stanford's treatment is not much different than the treatment given in Russia to Mikhail Khodorkovsky, a businessman who apparently angered Vladimir Putin. However, the NYT had a lengthy article condemning Khodorkovsky's imprisonment, but apparently believes that denying bail to an American businessman and holding him in conditions reserved for those on death row is perfectly acceptable.

As one who was involved in the infamous Duke Lacrosse Non-Rape, Non-Kidnapping, and Non-Sexual Assault case, I can tell you that the MSM will swallow just about anything from prosecutors, providing it fits the anti-capitalist and anti-Bill of Rights narrative that dominates the American media today. Even though most journalists think of themselves as being far superior in intelligence than most Americans, the leaders of the "Newspaper of Record" were True Believers in the "Magic Towel" that allegedly appeared in the Duke case, a towel that managed to make the DNA of Crystal Mangum appear while not wiping away the DNA of anyone else.

Yes, the same journalists who want us to believe that simple cotton towels have magical properties also want us to believe that it is OK for government-funded "scientists" to fake data and engage in outright fraud just to save us from the fate of "climate change." Oh, and these are the same people who believe that Al Gore is a genius, an "intellectual's intellectual." (Actually, I had some dealings with Gore when I worked in Tennessee and can tell readers that the guy was just another fat, scripted politician who enjoys average intelligence at best.)

Indeed, the MSM is no "watchdog" of government. Journalists are lapdogs of the state, and little more than that. As for the constituency of liberty, I do find it telling that the one politician who does speak out for real liberty, Ron Paul, is derided in the MSM as a "kook" and a "nutcase." Somehow, that makes sense to me, given what I have seen in the media. From Sean Insanity at Fox News to Rachel Mad Dog at MSNBC, we see that the media loves dictators, "take-charge" people who throw around their weight. As for liberty, well, that is passé at best and dangerous at worst.

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#1. To: Ada (#0)

The press is the voice of government. It is the voice of tyranny.

PaulCJ  posted on  2009-12-29   7:06:03 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#2. To: Ada (#0)

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"America is at that awkward stage. It's too late to work within the system, but too early to shoot the bastards." — Claire Wolf: 101 Things to Do 'Til the Revolution (1996)

Eric Stratton  posted on  2009-12-29   8:25:36 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#3. To: Ada (#0)

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"America is at that awkward stage. It's too late to work within the system, but too early to shoot the bastards." — Claire Wolf: 101 Things to Do 'Til the Revolution (1996)

Eric Stratton  posted on  2009-12-29   8:51:49 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#4. To: Eric Stratton (#2)

but too early to shoot the bastards."

Hmmmmm, I don't know about that partner. Some may feel it's past time.;)

"What country can preserve its liberties if its rulers are not warned from time to time that its people preserve the spirit of resistance? Let them take arms....The tree of liberty must be refreshed from time to time with the blood of patriots and tyrants." Thomas Jefferson

phantom patriot  posted on  2009-12-29   9:09:20 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#5. To: PaulCJ (#1)

The press is the voice of government.

The press is corporate. You are still right, to some extent, in that global corporations are in complete control of the U.S. government. The most accurate term to describe our form of government is "reverse fascism."

“I would give no thought of what the world might say of me, if I could only transmit to posterity the reputation of an honest man.” - Sam Houston

Sam Houston  posted on  2009-12-29   9:19:46 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#6. To: Sam Houston (#5)

The most accurate term to describe our form of government is "reverse fascism."

No, the correct term would be "judeo fascism."

We have a government of the jews, by the jews, for the jews.

Godfrey Smith: Mike, I wouldn't worry. Prosperity is just around the corner.
Mike Flaherty: Yeah, it's been there a long time. I wish I knew which corner.
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Esso  posted on  2009-12-29   9:28:41 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#7. To: Sam Houston (#5)

The press is corporate.

No, the press is socialist.

PaulCJ  posted on  2009-12-29   9:58:37 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#8. To: phantom patriot (#4)

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"America is at that awkward stage. It's too late to work within the system, but too early to shoot the bastards." — Claire Wolf: 101 Things to Do 'Til the Revolution (1996)

Eric Stratton  posted on  2009-12-29   10:47:29 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#9. To: phantom patriot (#4)

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"America is at that awkward stage. It's too late to work within the system, but too early to shoot the bastards." — Claire Wolf: 101 Things to Do 'Til the Revolution (1996)

Eric Stratton  posted on  2009-12-29   10:48:20 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#10. To: Ada (#0)

Here is the true color of the mass media in the United States....

www.coloringthenews.com/

I realize the real truth is probably something you'd rather not acknowledge, because it might implicate you as part of the problem.

The painful truth is that some people, let's call them cultists, will reliably and repeatably sell their votes in exchange for some big government guaranteed legal privilege.

Editorial rooms of MSM are festooned with leaders of the cult.

Let's face the facts; newsrooms market their propaganda products the same as Hollywood sell their product, using sensationalism, sex, gore, and violence as marketing hooks to get Joe Dumbo to consume the core product.

In fact, the same kinds of people that run the Hollywood business also run the MSM business! That should come as no big surprise to anyone.

Does Time-Warner ring a bell?

So, what are the types of people that produce, write, and star in the cute stories constituting Hollywood shlock entertainment?

It's the same types of people you will find writing stories and articles inside any big-city newspaper department.

Here's a hint...they call themselves queers. Queer is an insider put-down, hurled only between fellow queer club members. It's a cult-thang similar in concept to blacks calling each other nigga, where no outsider is allowed to use the put-down, lest he be hunted down by the PC police.

Googolplex  posted on  2009-12-29   14:05:53 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#11. To: PaulCJ (#1) (Edited)

The press is the voice of government. It is the voice of tyranny.

The MSM is the voice of Diversity.....

http://www.coloringthenews.com/

The professional victim cult political scheme, known euphemistically as Diversity, dominates both the US and Israeli politics.

Here's a temple shrine they have had built in the US, using taxpayer funds....

www.ushmm.org/

Googolplex  posted on  2009-12-30   15:27:39 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#12. To: PaulCJ (#7)

The press is corporate. No, the press is socialist.

No, it is corporate. All this talk about socialism, but there is no evidence of any legislation for the people. It's all for the bankers, for the interests shipping jobs to the turd world. Hell even this "healthcare reform" crap is a boon for the corporate interests and a crappy mandate for the people--that's not socialism, that's fascism.

Name off some truly socialist legislation and I'll show you the money trail that dictates it is fascist, not socialist. Bail out bankers? Fascist. Bail out auto makers? Fascist. Bail out military industrial complex with more war? Fascist. Bail out the medical industrial complex to fatten profits for big insurance and big pharma? Fascist.

"The conscious and intelligent manipulation of the organized habits and opinions of the masses is an important element in democratic society. Those who manipulate this unseen mechanism of society constitute an invisible government which is the true ruling power of our country. ... We are governed, our minds are molded, our tastes formed, our ideas suggested, largely by men we have never heard of." Edward Bernays, Father of Public Relations

abraxas  posted on  2009-12-30   15:36:24 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#13. To: abraxas (#12)

All this talk about socialism, but there is no evidence of any legislation for the people.

This is where we differ in how we view terms. Socialism, as I was taught, is government control. Such as more taxes and more government regulation. Fascism is a ideological offshoot of socialism, fascism is basically socialism mixed with nationalism.

Now, most of those in the press support more taxes and more government regulation every chance they get. That is why I say the press is socialism.

Socialism is not "fore the people", it is "for the government" and against the people.

PaulCJ  posted on  2009-12-30   20:17:27 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#14. To: PaulCJ (#13)

Socialism, as I was taught, is government control. Such as more taxes and more government regulation. Fascism is a ideological offshoot of socialism, fascism is basically socialism mixed with nationalism.

Socialism refers to various theories of economic organization advocating public or direct worker ownership and administration of the means of production and allocation of resources, and a society characterized by equal access to resources for all individuals with a method of compensation based on the amount of labor expended.

Fascism is a political ideology that seeks to combine radical and authoritarian nationalism (which is constant in this nation, especially when manufacturing consent for war) with a corporatist economic system (thas is actually the beneficiary of war profits). Fascists advocate the creation of a single-party state, with the belief that the majority is unsuited to govern itself through democracy and by reaffirming the benefits of inequality. (Such as securing power into the executive branch and tossing out the checks and balances within our government.)

Fascist governments forbid and suppress openness and opposition to the fascist state and the fascist movement (daily occurance). Fascism opposes class conflict (diversity rules), blames capitalism (current collapse ring a bell?) and liberal democracies for its creation and communists for exploiting the concept. The fundamental belief of fascism being that human beings are motivated by glory and heroism rather than economic motives, in contrast to the worldview of capitalism and socialism. (Fascism is the obvious choice for elite interests)

Given these two definitions, would you deem this administration to be socialist or fascist? BTW, the last one was just as fascist and more obvious about it. And we have had at least three decades of corporate welfare and subsidies, which is actually just fascism.

The press is for the corporate interests, as are your representatives. This is where the bread is buttered for both. It's not about informing the people, it's about selling NAFTA or healthcare reform or bailouts to line the pockets of the advertisers and the politicians. It's fascist.

Really, can you even discount that there really is only a one party system in this nation, working for corporate interests, not for the people?

"The conscious and intelligent manipulation of the organized habits and opinions of the masses is an important element in democratic society. Those who manipulate this unseen mechanism of society constitute an invisible government which is the true ruling power of our country. ... We are governed, our minds are molded, our tastes formed, our ideas suggested, largely by men we have never heard of." Edward Bernays, Father of Public Relations

abraxas  posted on  2009-12-30   22:47:22 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#15. To: PaulCJ (#13)

One other note on this issue. A single payer health care plan would be an example of socialism. Yet, this option was not even given any consideration in the current debate. Instead, we the people are mandated to buy insurance from private corporations, which is fascism. Who benefits? The insurance companies, big pharma and the whores who represent the people who will have their campaign coffers filled in return for selling us out.

"The conscious and intelligent manipulation of the organized habits and opinions of the masses is an important element in democratic society. Those who manipulate this unseen mechanism of society constitute an invisible government which is the true ruling power of our country. ... We are governed, our minds are molded, our tastes formed, our ideas suggested, largely by men we have never heard of." Edward Bernays, Father of Public Relations

abraxas  posted on  2009-12-30   22:56:02 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#16. To: abraxas (#14)

Socialism refers to various theories of economic organization advocating public or direct worker ownership and administration of the means of production and allocation of resources, and a society characterized by equal access to resources for all individuals with a method of compensation based on the amount of labor expended.

In theory, yet in practice, just like communism, socialism is government tyranny over the people.

PaulCJ  posted on  2009-12-31   12:39:04 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#17. To: abraxas (#15)

One other note on this issue. A single payer health care plan would be an example of socialism. Yet, this option was not even given any consideration in the current debate. Instead, we the people are mandated to buy insurance from private corporations, which is fascism. Who benefits? The insurance companies, big pharma and the whores who represent the people who will have their campaign coffers filled in return for selling us out.

Think things through, that is only the window dressing.

In truth, when government becomes the only buyer for a company (which is what the above is), very soon government federalizes that company and seizes complete control and ownership of said company.

The insurance companies and drug companies think they are getting a good deal, in truth it is a the noose around their collective necks.

PaulCJ  posted on  2009-12-31   12:45:03 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#18. To: Ada (#0)

Yet, there is no outrage in the media. Ironically, Stanford's treatment is not much different than the treatment given in Russia to Mikhail Khodorkovsky, a businessman who apparently angered Vladimir Putin. However, the NYT had a lengthy article condemning Khodorkovsky's imprisonment, but apparently believes that denying bail to an American businessman and holding him in conditions reserved for those on death row is perfectly acceptable.

While I agree with most of the author's points I disagree here. Stanford is the "Fall Guy" as was Martha Stewart - to contain the Enron criminality to just a few names. Hang a couple of low level people or non-criminals and then sweep the rest of the Enron Gang under the carpet and off to the Bahamas.

Khodorovsky is, and was, a criminal who participated in the looting of Russia's mineral and oil wealth. He was and is a Rothschild agent and toady. That he is also Jewish was another reason for the Jew York Times to defend his criminal activity and massive billion dollar swindles. Steal a few million and you're a criminal; steal a few billion to trillion and the NYT thinks you're the "Cat's Meow".

Here I again agree:

Indeed, the MSM is no "watchdog" of government. Journalists are lapdogs of the state, and little more than that. As for the constituency of liberty, I do find it telling that the one politician who does speak out for real liberty, Ron Paul, is derided in the MSM as a "kook" and a "nutcase." Somehow, that makes sense to me, given what I have seen in the media. From Sean Insanity at Fox News to Rachel Mad Dog at MSNBC, we see that the media loves dictators, "take-charge" people who throw around their weight. As for liberty, well, that is passé at best and dangerous at worst.

The only fault is he does not go far enough. The media, the major media, is controlled and they have an agenda - to further the power and control of the Bankster Elite who owns them. They are whores nothing more, and nothing less. Skaggy ones at that.

"One of the least understood strategies of the world revolution now moving rapidly toward its goal is the use of mind control as a major means of obtaining the consent of the people who will be subjects of the New World Order." K.M. Heaton, The National Educator

Original_Intent  posted on  2009-12-31   13:15:37 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#19. To: PaulCJ, abraxas (#17)

One other note on this issue. A single payer health care plan would be an example of socialism. Yet, this option was not even given any consideration in the current debate. Instead, we the people are mandated to buy insurance from private corporations, which is fascism. Who benefits? The insurance companies, big pharma and the whores who represent the people who will have their campaign coffers filled in return for selling us out.

Think things through, that is only the window dressing.

In truth, when government becomes the only buyer for a company (which is what the above is), very soon government federalizes that company and seizes complete control and ownership of said company.

The insurance companies and drug companies think they are getting a good deal, in truth it is a the noose around their collective necks.

No, abraxas was right and to some extent you are too. The intent, and apparent plan, is socialism for the useless eaters controlled by a fascist elite.

If you want a really good fictional eyeview - watch the movie "Rollerball" and notice the cultural setting. Some of the technology is now out of date, but the social backdrop is what makes the movie an interesting culture study - as that is exactly the kind of society we are being set up for and herded into.

"One of the least understood strategies of the world revolution now moving rapidly toward its goal is the use of mind control as a major means of obtaining the consent of the people who will be subjects of the New World Order." K.M. Heaton, The National Educator

Original_Intent  posted on  2009-12-31   13:19:39 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#20. To: PaulCJ (#16) (Edited)

In theory, yet in practice, just like communism, socialism is government tyranny over the people.

I'm no advocate for socialism. However, many nations make it work without tyranny. Some actually even work well and provide benefit for the people. It's not my cup of tea but many people are quite fond of their particular socialist systems for some very legitimate reasons. Canada is a lovely place and there is less tyranny there than here in the USA.

That said, I don't think that would be possible in America. I like our checks and balances--when they are in place. I'd like the idea of representative republic better if our representatives actually represented the people and not their campaign donors. We the people need to get off our collective butts and return to the driver seat. Yet, apathy prevails.

"The conscious and intelligent manipulation of the organized habits and opinions of the masses is an important element in democratic society. Those who manipulate this unseen mechanism of society constitute an invisible government which is the true ruling power of our country. ... We are governed, our minds are molded, our tastes formed, our ideas suggested, largely by men we have never heard of." Edward Bernays, Father of Public Relations

abraxas  posted on  2009-12-31   13:53:58 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#21. To: PaulCJ (#17)

The insurance companies and drug companies think they are getting a good deal, in truth it is a the noose around their collective necks.

How so? They have a MANDATED consumer base. Sheesh, Paul, we the people are getting the shaft and the richest industries in this nation are getting millions of customers who are FORCED to purchase their product.

Where does this end? What else will we be MANDATED to purchase from PRIVATE industries?

Sheesh, Paul, the insurance and drug companies WROTE THIS CRAP LEGISLATION. How much more fascist can you get? They are getting the deal that THEY offered with NO OPPOSITION and NO CAPITULATION.

"The conscious and intelligent manipulation of the organized habits and opinions of the masses is an important element in democratic society. Those who manipulate this unseen mechanism of society constitute an invisible government which is the true ruling power of our country. ... We are governed, our minds are molded, our tastes formed, our ideas suggested, largely by men we have never heard of." Edward Bernays, Father of Public Relations

abraxas  posted on  2009-12-31   13:58:26 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#22. To: abraxas (#21)

How so?

Because it will lead to federalization of their companies. If people are forced to buy their products, those in government will use that as an excuse to gain more and more control of those companies, tightening the noose, until the companies are federalized.

PaulCJ  posted on  2009-12-31   15:46:05 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#23. To: abraxas (#20)

I'm no advocate for socialism. However, many nations make it work without tyranny.

No, the socialism creates debts through social programs until the economy collapses from said debt into government tyranny.

Socialism is the camels head of government tyranny.

PaulCJ  posted on  2009-12-31   15:47:30 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#24. To: Original_Intent, abraxas (#19)

No, abraxas was right and to some extent you are too. The intent, and apparent plan, is socialism for the useless eaters controlled by a fascist elite.

Abraxas is talking "theory", I am talking "in practice".

PaulCJ  posted on  2009-12-31   15:48:30 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#25. To: PaulCJ (#24)

... I am talking "in practice".

Then talk about the REAL truth: modern American media is the voice of the CIA sponsored by US taxpayers.

“Gold is the money of kings; silver is the money of gentlemen; barter is the money of peasants; but debt is the money of slaves.”

buckeroo  posted on  2009-12-31   15:54:41 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#26. To: PaulCJ (#22)

Because it will lead to federalization of their companies. If people are forced to buy their products, those in government will use that as an excuse to gain more and more control of those companies, tightening the noose, until the companies are federalized.

These companies WROTE THE LEGISLATION. The goobermint has not one iota of control, so how could the goobermint "gain more and more control of the these companies"?

There is nothing in the legislation that federalizes the companies. It merely MANDATES the people to buy from PRIVATE companies, which is why it is a prime example of FASCISM and not SOCIALISM.

You have been forced to my auto insurance if you drive a car for decades via mandate and there has been no creep to federalize whatsoever. You have been MANDATED to buy fire insurance on your home if you carry a note on it for decades with no creep to federalize. These companies profit and they line the campaign coffers to get the mandates they desire. Why with all of this clear history would you believe that the "healthcare reform" mandate is one iota different? The only noose being tightened is around the necks of the people by a fascist government that is by, for and of the corporate interests.

"The conscious and intelligent manipulation of the organized habits and opinions of the masses is an important element in democratic society. Those who manipulate this unseen mechanism of society constitute an invisible government which is the true ruling power of our country. ... We are governed, our minds are molded, our tastes formed, our ideas suggested, largely by men we have never heard of." Edward Bernays, Father of Public Relations

abraxas  posted on  2009-12-31   16:15:10 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#27. To: abraxas (#26)

You have been forced to my auto insurance if you drive a car for decades via mandate

I can choose to not drive and not pay that auto insurance. This is not the case with Obamacare.

PaulCJ  posted on  2009-12-31   19:09:09 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#28. To: PaulCJ (#27)

I can choose to not drive and not pay that auto insurance. This is not the case with Obamacare.

IF you opt to drive, it's a mandate. I understand what a mandate is and also that Obamacare is forcing one on all Americans. What I do not understand is how you think this allows for a federal take over of insurance companies and big pharma. These companies got all that they wanted. They were part of the drafting from inception. They weren't asked to concede anything.

"The conscious and intelligent manipulation of the organized habits and opinions of the masses is an important element in democratic society. Those who manipulate this unseen mechanism of society constitute an invisible government which is the true ruling power of our country. ... We are governed, our minds are molded, our tastes formed, our ideas suggested, largely by men we have never heard of." Edward Bernays, Father of Public Relations

abraxas  posted on  2009-12-31   19:21:47 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#29. To: abraxas (#28) (Edited)

IF you opt to drive, it's a mandate.

You miss my point. You can choose to never drive for your entire live. You will someone day need a doctor.

That is why technically auto insurance is not a direct tax.

PaulCJ  posted on  2010-01-01   10:57:01 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


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