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Title: Former Lesbian Couple Battles Over Child Custody
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The New American
URL Source: http://www.thenewamerican.com/index ... ple-battles-over-child-custody
Published: Dec 31, 2009
Author: Rebecca Terrell
Post Date: 2009-12-31 17:13:22 by farmfriend
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Written by Rebecca Terrell A seven-year-old girl stands in the crosshairs of a bizarre custody battle between former lesbian domestic partners Lisa Miller and Janet Jenkins. The Wall Street Journal reports that Miller is the child's biological mother and conceived her by artificial insemination while living with Jenkins in Vermont, where they were joined in a civil union in 2001. Miller became a Christian in 2003, renounced the homosexual lifestyle, and moved to Virginia with her then-infant daughter, Isabella Miller-Jenkins. Jenkins sued for unsupervised visitation, which Vermont Judge William Cohen granted after dissolving the civil union, but Miller refused to comply with the court order. She said allowing Isabella to spend time unsupervised with Jenkins would violate her Christian principles. Miller appealed the visitation order to courts in Vermont and Virginia. The VermontTimes Argus reports that Miller's attorneys argued that Isabella has not lived with Jenkins since she was a baby. A doctor who testified in the case said the change could "induce devastating trauma." Miller also expressed concern that Jenkins refuses to take Isabella to church. Jenkins' attorneys denied these claims. Miller's appeals in both states were unsuccessful, but she remained in contempt. As a result, in November the court awarded Jenkins sole custody. According to the Wall Street Journal, an attorney for Jenkins claimed, "It is Ms. Jenkins' intent when she has custody of Isabella to allow as liberal contact as is possible with her other mother." Miller tried to delay the transfer, set for January 1, but the court denied that request, too. Now, Miller and Isabella are missing. ABC News reports that no one has seen or heard from either of them since November 20, not even Miller's attorneys. Under Vermont law, Jenkins is one of Isabella's legally recognized parents. She filed a missing person report on Wednesday since she does not know the whereabouts of her daughter. Her attorney Sarah Star said Jenkins is concerned about Isabella's safety and about Miller's mental stability. ABC News also quoted a professor of constitutional law at Vermont Law School who explained that if the transfer does not take place January 1, the court will likely issue a warrant for Miller's arrest.
Former Lesbian Couple Battles Over Child Custody
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#49. To: abraxas (#6)
And that is why there should no such thing as "gay marriage". For the sake of personal bliss and "in your face" satisfaction of homosexuals, children adopted or "artificially conceived" by these folks are scared for life by the nagging knowledge that their parents are having homosexual sex, and that at LEAST one of them are not their REAL parent. What ever happened to the concept of doing what's best in the interest of the child?
I don't think all queers abuse kids physically. I'm saying the law is wrong. People with good morals know that. I'm saying that there should be no such thing as gay adoption. It is a disqualifier to raise kids. If you don't understand that then you obviously have major morality problems. Laws are supposed to be based on right and wrong....morals. Emotional abuse? Again and opinion based on no evidence. Lots of laws are wrong. That doesn't mean you run like a fugative, especially when you willingly participated in the law you now deem to be wrong. People with any morals whatsoever know that. I would put my morals up against yours any day of the week, AKA Stone. A kid who is living in a hell hole of foster parents would disagree with you if offered a gay adoption that provided a stable home and an escape from the system. Until you walk in the shoes of such a child, you should shut your yap. You are naive if you think laws are based on right and wrong. There are a million laws on the books here in the land of the free and three quarters of them are not based on any morals whatsoever. How many unwanted kids have you adopted, Mr. Morality? Do you selectively adhere to only the laws inwhich you deem moral? Do you do anything to change laws that you deem immoral or do you just sit in judgment of others based on your particular religious dogma? This woman moved to a state just so she marry her gay lover and have a family. You have no problem with this choice made by her, no moral standing on her bahavior.......no, of course not, she's now a newly minted Christian who shouldn't have to take responsibility for her choices or adhere to "immoral" laws any longer.
"The conscious and intelligent manipulation of the organized habits and opinions of the masses is an important element in democratic society. Those who manipulate this unseen mechanism of society constitute an invisible government which is the true ruling power of our country. ... We are governed, our minds are molded, our tastes formed, our ideas suggested, largely by men we have never heard of." Edward Bernays, Father of Public Relations
The time to think about that is PRIOR to having the child, not after you move to a state to have your gay marriage and secure your sperm donor. Just because one gay lover has a change of heart doesn't alter the contract or the rights. Gay marriage is already in this state, this argument is moot in this case. What is a REAL parent? Are adoptive children left with FAKE parents? Biology is not the best factor to determine ability to parent. Many mothers kill their children, many do not care for them as they should, many are too selfish to consider what is best for their children.
"The conscious and intelligent manipulation of the organized habits and opinions of the masses is an important element in democratic society. Those who manipulate this unseen mechanism of society constitute an invisible government which is the true ruling power of our country. ... We are governed, our minds are molded, our tastes formed, our ideas suggested, largely by men we have never heard of." Edward Bernays, Father of Public Relations
There seems to be something fundamentally wrong with gay marriage. Two men or two women raising a child seems far worse. What's to say they're not pedophiles? Because they say they're not? The term 'homophobic' is just another PC mind-fuck, so don't anyone pull that one on me.
Torture is legal too.
Only while the War on Terror is in effect....../sarc.
"The conscious and intelligent manipulation of the organized habits and opinions of the masses is an important element in democratic society. Those who manipulate this unseen mechanism of society constitute an invisible government which is the true ruling power of our country. ... We are governed, our minds are molded, our tastes formed, our ideas suggested, largely by men we have never heard of." Edward Bernays, Father of Public Relations
:-)
The CHILD had no say in that decision though did she. Her rights are SUPPOSED to be protected by the court, where the court in MOST states weigh their decisions largely on what is best for the child. The child should NOT be subjected to men having oral or anal sex in a bedroom next to theirs, or women having oral sex or playing with dildoes in an adjacent room. This child may not even KNOW that her real mother is or was a lesbain in the past, and exposing or revealing this info to her may very well traumatize her and screw her up for life. If forced to "visit" with this other woman, who perhaps might by now have another "girlfriend", who's to say she won't be having sex in a room close to the child's room, and making so much noice the child hears it? It's one thing if the other woman was a REAL parent, and not just some lesbain whom her mother had a relationship with in the past. The fact is, if you have read the story, this child lived with these two woman for a brief time as an infant, and more than likely doesn't even know this other woman, or thinks she was just her mom's friend if she does remember her at all. This other woman more than likely doesn't care one bit about the child, and is just using the court and the legal process to TORMENT this mother AND her child solely as a form of revenge for leaving her and hurting her feelings. If anything, this other woman may VERY WELL be interested in molesting the girl as FURTHER revenge against her former lover. Biology is not the best factor to determine ability to parent. Many mothers kill their children, many do not care for them as they should, many are too selfish to consider what is best for their children. So, you think a former gay lover with no ties at all to the child would be a better parent than the child's own mother who obviously loves her and is trying to protect her. Yeah ok, I'm sure the mother must be planning to kill her, that's what biological parents do. Maybe the state should just take all children from their parents, since parents kill their kids. Sheesh.
Maybe so, the courts think so. Her biological mother has made her a fugative and risks going to jail rather than compliance with the court. You say trying to protect, but from what? Her own sordid past? Her former carptet munching? Do you not believe that the truth sets you free? Do you not believe that people should take responsibility for the choices that they make? Do you believe that dishonesy and running from the law is the best choice for mother and child? I DON'T.
"The conscious and intelligent manipulation of the organized habits and opinions of the masses is an important element in democratic society. Those who manipulate this unseen mechanism of society constitute an invisible government which is the true ruling power of our country. ... We are governed, our minds are molded, our tastes formed, our ideas suggested, largely by men we have never heard of." Edward Bernays, Father of Public Relations
So did you also approve of the way Elian Gonzalez was snatched up from his loving family here in the US and whisked off to Cuba? Do you think snatching up this little girl from her real mother and handing her to a practicing lesbain with NO EMOTIONAL TIE to this child will make her happy and well adjusted?
What it comes down to abraxas is that you appear to be of the opinion since the mother made a bad decision in her past, the child must be punished, simply because some lesbain wants some revenge against the child's mother. So what if this lesbain wishes to brainwash the child and start having sex with her, it's all cool, because in that state gay marriage is legal. If this were a case of heterosexual parents, with one adoptive parent being vindictive against the biological parent and seeking visitation or custody, the court would side with the biological parent if the child was the same sex, and perhaps with the adoptive parent if that parent was of the same sex as the child. However, in the case of homosexual parents, where one parent has shunned their homosexuality and is the biological parent, well I'd say that parent is most CERTAINLY the better parent and WILL do what is best for the child. Exposing the child to a perverse lifestyle against their will and the will of their natural parent can and more than likely WILL do irrepairable harm to the child, and destroy any hope for a normal life that child ever had.
I don't agree with how the goobermint handled that case. But this boy belonged with his father in Cuba. You actually think the boy should not have been placed with his father? You think just because he had some family in the US that the rights of the father should have been ignored? His father loved him and wanted to care for him, just because he was in Cuba doesn't make him unfit. I guess you prefer the rights of the father to be pissed on for the rights of the "loving family" who wanted to keep him from his father here in the US.
"The conscious and intelligent manipulation of the organized habits and opinions of the masses is an important element in democratic society. Those who manipulate this unseen mechanism of society constitute an invisible government which is the true ruling power of our country. ... We are governed, our minds are molded, our tastes formed, our ideas suggested, largely by men we have never heard of." Edward Bernays, Father of Public Relations
Well and that is my basic problem. As I said I don't have a problem when it is just the couple involved. But a legal marriage effect more than just the couple. I think I mentioned in one post that there is some evidence to support the idea that abuse is greater in homosexual homes. "The only thing better than a Federal Reserve audit would be a Federal Reserve autopsy." ~ unknown
There is no evidence to support this idiotic statement. I'm of the opinion that you take responsibility for your actions. Why is that this woman was good enough to be a parent when the two wives found a sperm donor and made up the nursery, but now she is no longer fit? Just because one mommy decides to not munch carpet anymore, the other one becomes unfit? Exactly, who made the bad decision? The fugitive mom on the run or the ex-wife fighting for her parental rights in court? The child is being punished by having to live as a fugitive. The child is being punished by having her hypocritical mother move her all over the country to run from mommies mistakes. Wow....that is really teaching some good morals, right? Just run from your mistakes. How does the ex-wife "want revenge" simply because she petitions to be a part of the life of the child? Again, you have no evidence to support this position. The court case indidcates that the former carpet muncher seeks revenge, not the other way around.
"The conscious and intelligent manipulation of the organized habits and opinions of the masses is an important element in democratic society. Those who manipulate this unseen mechanism of society constitute an invisible government which is the true ruling power of our country. ... We are governed, our minds are molded, our tastes formed, our ideas suggested, largely by men we have never heard of." Edward Bernays, Father of Public Relations
Homosexuals more likely to molest kids, study reports Homosexuals and the Pedophile Connection I have not much to say if two men or two women want to have sex or be together or whatever. That is to say, I disagree with it, but it's not really my business and this sort of thing is certainly not new and they'll do what they do anyway. However, a legal contract sanctioned by the State and/or Church is disagreeable. Yeah, it's no shock that there's a connection between homosexuality and pedophilia. lol
I'd say that Fidel Castro wanted the child more than his dad more than likely. It was a matter of the GOVERNMENT of Cuba wanting that kid, and without their involvement it never would have panned out the way it did. Oh hey, this is what little Elian is up to these days. Yeah, he was MUCH better off going to Cuba.... Elian Gonzalez Joins Cuba's Young Communist Union I didn't know you were such a fan of government involving themselves in people's personal lives...
Again with a baseless assumption. Come on, FormerLurker, you have no right to say that the father didn't want his child. Just as you do not know that heart of the ex-wife in this case who has spent a fortune working through the courts for her parental rights. All you know is that she is a lesbian, which in your mind, means she is an abuser and "unfit" to parent. Put the government of Cuba aside, are you saying that the father of Elian Gonzalez had no parental rights simply because he lived in Cuba? It's not a question of better off, it is a question of parental rights. Why is that so hard for you to comprehend? Like I said, I don't agree with how the goobermint handled that case. Are you suggesting the boy should have been severed from his father and the father should have had no right to redress the government for the return of his son? Do you support extraordinary rendition in child custody cases such as this? What was the boy's father to do? Give up because the "loving family" in the US wanted to keep his son?
"The conscious and intelligent manipulation of the organized habits and opinions of the masses is an important element in democratic society. Those who manipulate this unseen mechanism of society constitute an invisible government which is the true ruling power of our country. ... We are governed, our minds are molded, our tastes formed, our ideas suggested, largely by men we have never heard of." Edward Bernays, Father of Public Relations
I agree with your concern. Gay marriage is a legal gateway to adoption. As a society we are charged with protecting children. Permitting gay couples to adopt children flies in the face of society's primary responsibility to protect minors. Statistically when one looks at the % of gays in the general population and the rate of child abuse within that sector, it's an alarmingly high rate. But this rate of child abuse is conveniently omitted in any discussion about gay marriage "rights." From your first article link [ and I suspect the quoted abuse rate does not even include the Catholic Church homosexual priest pederest abuse cases] the stats should give a real world jolt to everyone, even the most idealistic left wing posters and lurkers: "Since heterosexuals outnumber the homosexual population about 44 to 1, as a group the incidence of homosexuals molesting children is up to 40 times greater than heterosexuals, she said."
A quick Google search proves you wrong... Why did he stay in Cuba when the rest of his family left? Apparently he loved Cuba more than he loved his kid.
You do not know that the ex-wife has "no emotional tie" to the child. A stable life, not on the run is a good start to happiness. Her mom on the run had been granted custody, with visitation granted to the ex-wife. Why is compliance out of the question? She couldn't prove the ex-wife unfit. If munching carpet makes on unfit, than mommy on the run is equally unfit. Teaching a kid to face mistakes head on is a good road to happiness, not stacking up a bunch of skeletons and dirty laundry in the closet or running from "mistakes" in life. This is true teaching toward well adjustment....mom on the run seems incapable of grasping such concepts.
"The conscious and intelligent manipulation of the organized habits and opinions of the masses is an important element in democratic society. Those who manipulate this unseen mechanism of society constitute an invisible government which is the true ruling power of our country. ... We are governed, our minds are molded, our tastes formed, our ideas suggested, largely by men we have never heard of." Edward Bernays, Father of Public Relations
Another baseless allegation to suit your own opinion about this case: According to the Washington Post, Elián's father Juan Miguel González Quintana had telephoned Lázaro from Cuba on November 22, 1999, to advise that Elián and his mother had left Cuba without Juan Miguel's knowledge, and to watch for their arrival. The father didn't even know until after the boy and his mother were at sea.
"The conscious and intelligent manipulation of the organized habits and opinions of the masses is an important element in democratic society. Those who manipulate this unseen mechanism of society constitute an invisible government which is the true ruling power of our country. ... We are governed, our minds are molded, our tastes formed, our ideas suggested, largely by men we have never heard of." Edward Bernays, Father of Public Relations
I'm asking you for the evidence in regards to THIS LESBIAN, not gay men who are parenting. As I previoulsy stated, I'm bias about gay men adopting and I feel it does put children at risk. Now, cough up the evidence that this woman in this case is unfit to parent and intends to turn the little girl into a carpet muncher. The court couldn't find any evidence, but you continue to make these idiotic statements. EVIDENCE FOR THIS CASE is the request at hand.
"The conscious and intelligent manipulation of the organized habits and opinions of the masses is an important element in democratic society. Those who manipulate this unseen mechanism of society constitute an invisible government which is the true ruling power of our country. ... We are governed, our minds are molded, our tastes formed, our ideas suggested, largely by men we have never heard of." Edward Bernays, Father of Public Relations
So abraxas, while THIS particular woman may or may not have an interest in molesting young girls, the chances are HIGH that she does. For that very reason the court should have sided with the biological mother who has renounced the gay lifestyle and is trying to give her child a normal life. Regardless, it is for this very reason the government should either NOT allow gay adoption or simply refuse to allow gay marriages in the first place since it can and does lead to serious issues far worse than those involved in normal divorces when things don't work out. I could care less about either the mother or her former lover, I care about the true victim here and that is this innocent little girl. Do you think this little 7 year-old should be torn from her actual mother whom she's lived with her entire life, and be forced to live with a woman living a perverse lifestyle, whom the child doesn't even know? Regardless if the woman is a molestor nor not, this still isn't right.
Perhaps because he was against leaving in the first place, and the mother couldn't trust telling him ahead of time that she was planning on leaving.
The child was two years old when she last saw the lesbain lover, and probably doesn't even remember her. She is now 7, probably in 2nd grade, and more interested in Hello Kitty, her friends at school, and being with her mother rather than hanging out with a stranger who used to lick her mother's vagina.
Do you think this little 7 year-old should be torn from her actual mother whom she's lived with her entire life, and be forced to live with a woman living a perverse lifestyle, whom the child doesn't even know? Again, this is your opinion, not a fact. Who is responsible for the court's decision? Mom on the run. A mother who wants to protect her child would have considered the consequences of her actions, from beginning to end. All this fighting and moving to keep the ex- wife from the child couldn't have been healthy or in any way promoted well adjustment. Do you run from your mistakes? I don't and I won't give a free pass for mom on the run to do this either. As a mother, I find her actions dispicable. She put her child in this position under the guise of being a "Christian" and as is the case in life, each action has a consequence. When the police track her down and her child is taken from her, she will have no one to blame but herself.
"The conscious and intelligent manipulation of the organized habits and opinions of the masses is an important element in democratic society. Those who manipulate this unseen mechanism of society constitute an invisible government which is the true ruling power of our country. ... We are governed, our minds are molded, our tastes formed, our ideas suggested, largely by men we have never heard of." Edward Bernays, Father of Public Relations
Common sense dictates that this little girl is better off with her mother rather than a stranger whom her mother used to have gay sex with.
Probably not in school at all since she and her mother are now fugatives. Had her mother complied with court orders, this woman wouldn't be a stranger nor would she have been granted full custody of the child.
"The conscious and intelligent manipulation of the organized habits and opinions of the masses is an important element in democratic society. Those who manipulate this unseen mechanism of society constitute an invisible government which is the true ruling power of our country. ... We are governed, our minds are molded, our tastes formed, our ideas suggested, largely by men we have never heard of." Edward Bernays, Father of Public Relations
If this other woman cared about the child at all, she would have backed off and allowed the child to live a normal life.
Why? There is mounting evidence that mom on the run isn't all that stable or rational or intelligent.
"The conscious and intelligent manipulation of the organized habits and opinions of the masses is an important element in democratic society. Those who manipulate this unseen mechanism of society constitute an invisible government which is the true ruling power of our country. ... We are governed, our minds are molded, our tastes formed, our ideas suggested, largely by men we have never heard of." Edward Bernays, Father of Public Relations
Had her mother complied with court orders, this woman wouldn't be a stranger nor would she have been granted full custody of the child. Had the court used reasonable sense and not tried to force the girl to visit with a vindictive lesbain in the first place, or if the vindicitive lesbain actually gave a shit about the child, none of this would be happening.
What evidence, your words? Are you a parent, or do you just pass judgement on them?
There is no evidence that the child would "live a normal life" with former carpet munching mommy. None. Maybe the ex-wife has hung on this long, fighting in court because mommy on the run isn't all that normal herself. Did you ever consider that?
"The conscious and intelligent manipulation of the organized habits and opinions of the masses is an important element in democratic society. Those who manipulate this unseen mechanism of society constitute an invisible government which is the true ruling power of our country. ... We are governed, our minds are molded, our tastes formed, our ideas suggested, largely by men we have never heard of." Edward Bernays, Father of Public Relations
Are you a parent, or do you just pass judgement on them? Making her child a fugative. Showing her child that running from mistakes is the correct course of action. Uprooting this child from all the homes that she has known. Pushing religious fundamentalism on her child to atone for her own sins. Using her newly minted Christianity as an excuse to ignore the courts. Yes, I'm a parent.
"The conscious and intelligent manipulation of the organized habits and opinions of the masses is an important element in democratic society. Those who manipulate this unseen mechanism of society constitute an invisible government which is the true ruling power of our country. ... We are governed, our minds are molded, our tastes formed, our ideas suggested, largely by men we have never heard of." Edward Bernays, Father of Public Relations
It is an answer, and a question. Your just stunned because it has left you showing yourself as an utter fool on this matter. You do not understand the laws of nature and natures God. It is not my job to educate you.
Error of opinion may be tolerated where reason is left free to combat it - Thomas Jefferson
No, it is NOT an opinion that this little girl has little or no recollection of this other woman, she was TWO years old when she last saw her, and more than likely thinks she was just a friend of her mom. If the other parent had been a man, and the biological mother took off with the kid, there would be little or no action on the part of the government to track the mother down and force her to cough up the child. It's only because it's a gay matter that this is getting so much attention and the government becomes so concerned and actually acts as if it cares about a "parent's rights".
Mom on the run asked the court to determine custody. She brought the court case and fled the state, hoping to have the laws of another state apply. Funny, you don't see any personal responsiblity for the actions of mom on the run.........she's just a poor victim of her own stupidity. How liberal of you, FL. Blame everybody else for this woman's stupidity.
"The conscious and intelligent manipulation of the organized habits and opinions of the masses is an important element in democratic society. Those who manipulate this unseen mechanism of society constitute an invisible government which is the true ruling power of our country. ... We are governed, our minds are molded, our tastes formed, our ideas suggested, largely by men we have never heard of." Edward Bernays, Father of Public Relations
Lurker you are about the only one with morals and common sense on this matter.
Error of opinion may be tolerated where reason is left free to combat it - Thomas Jefferson
So I guess if the government told you to hand over your kid to someone you feel is a threat to your child's safety and psychological well-being, whom you know is doing such a thing out of pure spite and revenge, you'd happily comply. Glad I'm not your kid.
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Top • Page Up • Full Thread • Page Down • Bottom/LatestThe child was conceived in a legal marital union, granting parental rights.
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
#50. To: A K A Stone (#45)
Having a child raised by a queer is child abuse. It is emotional abuse.
#51. To: FormerLurker (#49)
What ever happened to the concept of doing what's best in the interest of the child?
#52. To: farmfriend (#0)
"The trouble with people is not that they don't know but that they know so much that ain't so." ~ Josh Billings
#53. To: abraxas (#51)
Gay marriage is already in this state, this argument is moot in this case.
"The trouble with people is not that they don't know but that they know so much that ain't so." ~ Josh Billings
#54. To: wudidiz (#53)
Torture is legal too.
#55. To: abraxas (#54)
Only while the War on Terror is in effect....../sarc.
"The trouble with people is not that they don't know but that they know so much that ain't so." ~ Josh Billings
#56. To: abraxas (#51)
(Edited)
The time to think about that is PRIOR to having the child
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
#57. To: FormerLurker (#56)
So, you think a former gay lover with no ties at all to the child would be a better parent than the child's own mother who obviously loves her and is trying to protect her.
#58. To: abraxas (#57)
Maybe so, the courts think so. Her biological mother has made her a fugative and risks going to jail rather than compliance with the court.
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
#59. To: abraxas (#57)
You say trying to protect, but from what? Her own sordid past? Her former carptet munching? Do you not believe that the truth sets you free? Do you not believe that people should take responsibility for the choices that they make? Do you believe that dishonesy and running from the law is the best choice for mother and child? I DON'T.
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
#60. To: abraxas (#57)
(Edited)
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
#61. To: FormerLurker (#58)
So did you also approve of the way Elian Gonzalez was snatched up from his loving family here in the US and whisked off to Cuba?
#62. To: wudidiz, abraxas (#52)
There seems to be something fundamentally wrong with gay marriage. Two men or two women raising a child seems far worse. What's to say they're not pedophiles?
#63. To: FormerLurker (#60)
So what if this lesbain wishes to brainwash the child and start having sex with her, it's all cool, because in that state gay marriage is legal.
#64. To: farmfriend (#62)
Well and that is my basic problem. As I said I don't have a problem when it is just the couple involved. But a legal marriage effect more than just the couple. I think I mentioned in one post that there is some evidence to support the idea that abuse is greater in homosexual homes.
"The trouble with people is not that they don't know but that they know so much that ain't so." ~ Josh Billings
#65. To: abraxas (#61)
His father loved him and wanted to care for him, just because he was in Cuba doesn't make him unfit.
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
#66. To: FormerLurker (#65)
I'd say that Fidel Castro wanted the child more than his dad more than likely.
#67. To: farmfriend (#62)
As I said I don't have a problem when it is just the couple involved... I think I mentioned in one post that there is some evidence to support the idea that abuse is greater in homosexual homes.
#68. To: abraxas (#63)
There is no evidence to support this idiotic statement.
A paedophile ring has been smashed after eight men were found guilty of a horrifying catalogue of more than 50 child pornography and abuse charges. Among the crimes was a shocking sexual attack carried out on a three-month-old baby boy by an executive adviser on child sex issues. James Rennie, chief executive of a publicly-funded gay rights group, was one of the men exposed yesterday as members of Scotland's biggest paedophile ring. Rennie, 38, molested the toddler son of unsuspecting friends - a little boy he had been trusted to babysit - recording the abuse and sharing it with other perverts. In the course of the police investigation, the boy's parents were forced to watch a video of their baby son being violated by Rennie.
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
#69. To: abraxas (#66)
Come on, FormerLurker, you have no right to say that the father didn't want his child.
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
#70. To: FormerLurker (#59)
Do you think snatching up this little girl from her real mother and handing her to a practicing lesbain with NO EMOTIONAL TIE to this child will make her happy and well adjusted?
#71. To: FormerLurker (#69)
Why did he stay in Cuba when the rest of his family left? Apparently he loved Cuba more than he loved his kid.
#72. To: FormerLurker (#68)
There is no evidence to support this idiotic statement.
#73. To: abraxas (#63)
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
#74. To: abraxas (#71)
The father didn't even know until after the boy and his mother were at sea.
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
#75. To: abraxas (#70)
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You do not know that the ex-wife has "no emotional tie" to the child.
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
#76. To: FormerLurker (#73)
So abraxas, while THIS particular woman may or may not have an interest in molesting young girls, the chances are HIGH that she does.
#77. To: abraxas (#72)
EVIDENCE FOR THIS CASE is the request at hand.
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
#78. To: FormerLurker (#75)
She is now 7, probably in 2nd grade
#79. To: abraxas (#76)
Who is responsible for the court's decision? Mom on the run.
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
#80. To: FormerLurker (#77)
Common sense dictates that this little girl is better off with her mother rather than a stranger whom her mother used to have gay sex with.
#81. To: abraxas (#78)
Probably not in school at all since she and her mother are now fugatives.
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
#82. To: abraxas (#80)
There is mounting evidence that mom on the run isn't all that stable or rational or intelligent.
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
#83. To: FormerLurker (#79)
If this other woman cared about the child at all, she would have backed off and allowed the child to live a normal life.
#84. To: FormerLurker (#82)
What evidence, your words?
#85. To: farmfriend (#48)
#86. To: abraxas (#76)
Again, this is your opinion, not a fact.
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
#87. To: FormerLurker (#81)
Had the court used reasonable sense and not tried to force the girl to visit with a vindictive lesbain in the first place, or if the vindicitive lesbain actually gave a shit about the child, none of this would be happening.
#88. To: FormerLurker (#60)
What it comes down to abraxas is that you appear to be of the opinion since the mother made a bad decision in her past, the child must be punished, simply because some lesbain wants some revenge against the child's mother.
#89. To: abraxas (#84)
Yes, I'm a parent.
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
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