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Title: Former Lesbian Couple Battles Over Child Custody
Source: The New American
URL Source: http://www.thenewamerican.com/index ... ple-battles-over-child-custody
Published: Dec 31, 2009
Author: Rebecca Terrell
Post Date: 2009-12-31 17:13:22 by farmfriend
Keywords: None
Views: 2372
Comments: 157

Former Lesbian Couple Battles Over Child Custody

Written by Rebecca Terrell
Thursday, 31 December 2009 01:00

A seven-year-old girl stands in the crosshairs of a bizarre custody battle between former lesbian domestic partners Lisa Miller and Janet Jenkins. The Wall Street Journal reports that Miller is the child's biological mother and conceived her by artificial insemination while living with Jenkins in Vermont, where they were joined in a civil union in 2001. Miller became a Christian in 2003, renounced the homosexual lifestyle, and moved to Virginia with her then-infant daughter, Isabella Miller-Jenkins.

Jenkins sued for unsupervised visitation, which Vermont Judge William Cohen granted after dissolving the civil union, but Miller refused to comply with the court order. She said allowing Isabella to spend time unsupervised with Jenkins would violate her Christian principles. Miller appealed the visitation order to courts in Vermont and Virginia. The VermontTimes Argus reports that Miller's attorneys argued that Isabella has not lived with Jenkins since she was a baby. A doctor who testified in the case said the change could "induce devastating trauma." Miller also expressed concern that Jenkins refuses to take Isabella to church. Jenkins' attorneys denied these claims.

Miller's appeals in both states were unsuccessful, but she remained in contempt. As a result, in November the court awarded Jenkins sole custody. According to the Wall Street Journal, an attorney for Jenkins claimed, "It is Ms. Jenkins' intent when she has custody of Isabella to allow as liberal contact as is possible with her other mother."

Miller tried to delay the transfer, set for January 1, but the court denied that request, too. Now, Miller and Isabella are missing. ABC News reports that no one has seen or heard from either of them since November 20, not even Miller's attorneys.

Under Vermont law, Jenkins is one of Isabella's legally recognized parents. She filed a missing person report on Wednesday since she does not know the whereabouts of her daughter. Her attorney Sarah Star said Jenkins is concerned about Isabella's safety and about Miller's mental stability. ABC News also quoted a professor of constitutional law at Vermont Law School who explained that if the transfer does not take place January 1, the court will likely issue a warrant for Miller's arrest.

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#1. To: farmfriend (#0)

Absolute insanity.

The Dyke should take a hike.

However, they can be nasty and vindictive.

"One of the least understood strategies of the world revolution now moving rapidly toward its goal is the use of mind control as a major means of obtaining the consent of the people who will be subjects of the New World Order." K.M. Heaton, The National Educator

Original_Intent  posted on  2009-12-31   18:09:58 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

However, they can be nasty and vindictive.

It's a female thing.

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farmfriend  posted on  2009-12-31   18:13:34 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

Discretion being the better part of valor I have no comment at this time on female "things".

"One of the least understood strategies of the world revolution now moving rapidly toward its goal is the use of mind control as a major means of obtaining the consent of the people who will be subjects of the New World Order." K.M. Heaton, The National Educator

Original_Intent  posted on  2009-12-31   18:47:36 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

Miller's appeals in both states were unsuccessful, but she remained in contempt. As a result, in November the court awarded Jenkins sole custody.

She had a child with the woman. Her newly minted Christian status doesn't change that. IMHO, she is using her Christianity as a feeble excuse to be vindictive. Now that she lost her feeble legal argument she opts to take the child on the run. That doesn't make her mother of the year.

"The conscious and intelligent manipulation of the organized habits and opinions of the masses is an important element in democratic society. Those who manipulate this unseen mechanism of society constitute an invisible government which is the true ruling power of our country. ... We are governed, our minds are molded, our tastes formed, our ideas suggested, largely by men we have never heard of." Edward Bernays, Father of Public Relations

abraxas  posted on  2009-12-31   19:03:17 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

She had a child with the woman.

Actually, she had a child with some anonymous sperm donor. The child, as Archie Bunker might have said, is the result of artificial invigoration (that is what he called artificial insemination). I can't disagree with her taking the child and going wherever she has to so that this other woman has no contact with the child.

Liberty is not a means to a higher political end. It is itself the highest political end.
Lord Acton

James Deffenbach  posted on  2009-12-31   19:06:49 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

I can't disagree with her taking the child and going wherever she has to so that this other woman has no contact with the child.

This woman had no problem with her lover as a parent when she was munching her carpet and planning to have children together.

Now she changes her mind and the other woman has no rights? I call BS on that. There is not one iota of evidence that Jenkins is unfit to parent. The child was conceived in a legal marital union, granting parental rights.

Taking the child on the run is good for the kid? I think not. She has no basis for her "no contact" claims, other than she's a newly minted Christian who doesn't act like a Christian at all. Her religious claims are bovine excrement. Frankly, this woman doesn't sound all that stable for parenting. Perhaps, the child would be better off with her other mommy even if she is still munching carpets, at least she isn't confused and vindictive.

"The conscious and intelligent manipulation of the organized habits and opinions of the masses is an important element in democratic society. Those who manipulate this unseen mechanism of society constitute an invisible government which is the true ruling power of our country. ... We are governed, our minds are molded, our tastes formed, our ideas suggested, largely by men we have never heard of." Edward Bernays, Father of Public Relations

abraxas  posted on  2009-12-31   19:28:28 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

even if she is still munching carpets, at least she isn't confused and vindictive.

uh, the fact, if it is a fact, that she is "still munching carpets" tells me that she is confused. As for vindictive, I would bet you anything I have that that is a major reason for the court case. And the fact was, and is, that no matter how long they might have stayed together, they would NEVER have had children together. Not unless you can show us how women no longer need men to father a child, or as one of my friends says, "do the roughin' in" (he's an electrician and when he sees a strikingly beautiful girl he would say something like, "I wouldn't mind helping her rough one in.")

Liberty is not a means to a higher political end. It is itself the highest political end.
Lord Acton

James Deffenbach  posted on  2009-12-31   19:40:18 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

uh, the fact, if it is a fact, that she is "still munching carpets" tells me that she is confused. As for vindictive, I would bet you anything I have that that is a major reason for the court case. And the fact was, and is, that no matter how long they might have stayed together, they would NEVER have had children together.

Initially, she only wanted the parental rights granted her under the state. No more, no less. She was there for the pregnancy and birth, planning on her role as a parent.

The other mom faught her all the way and the only argument she had was her newly minted Christianity. If she had anything at all to determine that Jenkins was unfit she would have presented it already......but there was none. I'd agree if the mom on the run could have proven that Jenkins was unfit, but she couldn't.

Personally, I find people that like men, then women, then men again more confused than people who stick with one gender. I don't think that taking the kid on the run shouts stability either.

Do you think that all non-biological parents should have their parental rights revoked if the biological parent converts to Christianity? Do you think that people should be excused from state laws because of religious conversion? Mom on the run went to court and lost her case.......she should have thought about that while planning a family with her lesbian wife.

"The conscious and intelligent manipulation of the organized habits and opinions of the masses is an important element in democratic society. Those who manipulate this unseen mechanism of society constitute an invisible government which is the true ruling power of our country. ... We are governed, our minds are molded, our tastes formed, our ideas suggested, largely by men we have never heard of." Edward Bernays, Father of Public Relations

abraxas  posted on  2009-12-31   19:49:16 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

That doesn't make her mother of the year.

Never said it did.

she is using her Christianity as a feeble excuse to be vindictive.

I think they are both being vindictive.

"The only thing better than a Federal Reserve audit would be a Federal Reserve autopsy." ~ unknown

farmfriend  posted on  2009-12-31   20:40:39 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

I think they are both being vindictive.

Maybe so. I still think if she had any evidence to indicate that the other mom is unfit she would have presented it. All she had was religion, which didn't work out as she planned.

Poor kid.

"The conscious and intelligent manipulation of the organized habits and opinions of the masses is an important element in democratic society. Those who manipulate this unseen mechanism of society constitute an invisible government which is the true ruling power of our country. ... We are governed, our minds are molded, our tastes formed, our ideas suggested, largely by men we have never heard of." Edward Bernays, Father of Public Relations

abraxas  posted on  2009-12-31   20:50:18 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

Personally I have problems with the whole religion against homosexuality thing. I know the Bible speaks against it but I have a hard time seeing how the God of love could be against love.

"The only thing better than a Federal Reserve audit would be a Federal Reserve autopsy." ~ unknown

farmfriend  posted on  2009-12-31   20:59:21 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

Do you think that all non-biological parents should have their parental rights revoked if the biological parent converts to Christianity? Do you think that people should be excused from state laws because of religious conversion? Mom on the run went to court and lost her case.......she should have thought about that while planning a family with her lesbian wife.

When a person realizes that they have made a mistake would you condemn them to live forever with that mistake? I wouldn't.

Liberty is not a means to a higher political end. It is itself the highest political end.
Lord Acton

James Deffenbach  posted on  2009-12-31   21:06:23 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

When a person realizes that they have made a mistake would you condemn them to live forever with that mistake? I wouldn't.

She doesn't have to live forever with the woman she is now divorced from, but she does need to comply with the state laws where she opted to tie the knot and bring a baby into this world.

Does the other mother have no rights simply becuase she is gay? Why does mom on the run feel the need to omit this persom whom she deemed a fit parent from the life of this child? Could it be because she wants to keep her lesbian life a secret?

She needs to buck up and live up to her agreements and the orders of the court. She only lost custody because she refused to comply with visitation and allow the other mother to be the parent she wants to be. It's her own damn fault.....and she will have to live with the consequences for her actions.

You don't really believe that just because she is a newly minted Christian that she doesn't have to comply with her previous agreements or the court decisions that she requested be made, do you?

IMHO, she's making more mistakes. She should own up to her mistakes, not run from them with the child.

"The conscious and intelligent manipulation of the organized habits and opinions of the masses is an important element in democratic society. Those who manipulate this unseen mechanism of society constitute an invisible government which is the true ruling power of our country. ... We are governed, our minds are molded, our tastes formed, our ideas suggested, largely by men we have never heard of." Edward Bernays, Father of Public Relations

abraxas  posted on  2009-12-31   23:55:49 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

Does the other mother have no rights simply becuase she is gay? Why does mom on the run feel the need to omit this persom whom she deemed a fit parent from the life of this child? Could it be because she wants to keep her lesbian life a secret?

The woman had the child with a sperm doner. The second woman, while legally a spouse, is nothing to the child biologically.
She is the equivalent of a step parent.

In any other divorce, should the child go with its biological parent or its step-parent? Unless the biological parent is unfit, I see no reason why the non-biological parent has any claim on the child.

The mother fled with the child, probably for this reason.

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-Carl Sagan.

Armadillo  posted on  2010-01-01   1:37:12 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

Good post. I couldn't have answered any better. I would make the point that while the states, indeed the federal government, may make just about anything "legal," that does not, in and of itself, make it lawful.

Liberty is not a means to a higher political end. It is itself the highest political end.
Lord Acton

James Deffenbach  posted on  2010-01-01   7:57:34 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

I would make the point that while the states, indeed the federal government, may make just about anything "legal," that does not, in and of itself, make it lawful.

She was all for the legality of her union when she married her lesbian lover. She reminds me of former smokers who harp on others for doing what they used to do. It's fine while she is munching carpets, but when she opts to stop munching all other munchers become sinners. She takes on this role that she is "above the law" and "principled" in her fight. I'm not buying it.

Would you say that an adoptive father who is denied rights to parent a child just and correct too? Since he would not be a biological parent, he should also have no visitation or custody despite no evidence of being "unfit" to parent?

"The conscious and intelligent manipulation of the organized habits and opinions of the masses is an important element in democratic society. Those who manipulate this unseen mechanism of society constitute an invisible government which is the true ruling power of our country. ... We are governed, our minds are molded, our tastes formed, our ideas suggested, largely by men we have never heard of." Edward Bernays, Father of Public Relations

abraxas  posted on  2010-01-01   12:11:27 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

In any other divorce, should the child go with its biological parent or its step-parent? Unless the biological parent is unfit, I see no reason why the non-biological parent has any claim on the child.

In any other divorce, the non biological parent would have rights to the child. What about when adoptive parents divorce? Shall the child become a ward of the state because no biological parent is in the fight?

Unless the non-biological parent is deemed unifit, I see no reason why the biologcial parent should be the only parent with rights to parent.

"The conscious and intelligent manipulation of the organized habits and opinions of the masses is an important element in democratic society. Those who manipulate this unseen mechanism of society constitute an invisible government which is the true ruling power of our country. ... We are governed, our minds are molded, our tastes formed, our ideas suggested, largely by men we have never heard of." Edward Bernays, Father of Public Relations

abraxas  posted on  2010-01-01   12:14:17 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

She was all for the legality of her union when she married her lesbian lover.

And then she realized that she was wrong. People are allowed to learn from their mistakes and not have to be punished by them for the rest of their lives. At least that is how I feel. I understand you think differently and that's ok. Not going to argue about it.

Liberty is not a means to a higher political end. It is itself the highest political end.
Lord Acton

James Deffenbach  posted on  2010-01-01   12:56:11 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

The lesbian couple were married at the time of the child's birth.

Even though that there is no biological connection to one of them, both were considered parents of the child in he eyes of the law, thanks to the whole legalized gay marriage thing.

What this does, is create a situation in the future, where our courts will have a lot more of this to deal with.

There is no doubt that someone who changes their life, renounces their sinful ways and takes their Biological child away from a mentally destabilizing environment, is going to be better for the child in the long run.

The courts will see fit that the woman who is not a biological parent to remove her from the equation, as she is nothing more than an acquaintance, not a parent.

Better to be hated for what you are, than loved for what you are not.

TommyTheMadArtist  posted on  2010-01-01   13:05:10 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

What this does, is create a situation in the future, where our courts will have a lot more of this to deal with.

Which is why I'm against gay marriage even though I believe it to be discrimination. The more "normal" the family life, the better for the child.

While my husband and I are not completely happy in our marriage my kids have had a very stable life despite all the financial upheaval. They have not had the trama of divorce and have actually lived in the same house all their lives. That's about as stable as it gets this day and age.

"The only thing better than a Federal Reserve audit would be a Federal Reserve autopsy." ~ unknown

farmfriend  posted on  2010-01-01   13:15:30 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

The courts will see fit that the woman who is not a biological parent to remove her from the equation, as she is nothing more than an acquaintance, not a parent.

When the former carpet muncher refused to comply with the court orders, contempt if you will, the courts granted her former wife full custody of the child. Now she is on the run with the child and when she is found she will be arrested.

The court doesn't take kindly to blatent disregard of orders. Initially, it was visitation granted and now it it is full custody.

"The conscious and intelligent manipulation of the organized habits and opinions of the masses is an important element in democratic society. Those who manipulate this unseen mechanism of society constitute an invisible government which is the true ruling power of our country. ... We are governed, our minds are molded, our tastes formed, our ideas suggested, largely by men we have never heard of." Edward Bernays, Father of Public Relations

abraxas  posted on  2010-01-01   13:19:17 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

Unless the non-biological parent is deemed unifit,

And that is the problem. Many people believe that being gay automatically makes them unfit. This is especially true when you coming from a religious stand point. There is some evidence, biased perhaps given the source, that children are more likely to suffer abuse in a gay household.

I have a hard time with the whole subject. I'm pro gay marriage when it is just about the couple but vote against it because it opens a can of worms when it comes to children. The baby sitter I had for my boys was gay. I'm not homophobic. I had no fear that he was going to "turn" my boys gay. I just think it is better to not go down that road as far as families are concerned.

"The only thing better than a Federal Reserve audit would be a Federal Reserve autopsy." ~ unknown

farmfriend  posted on  2010-01-01   13:22:30 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

And that is the problem. Many people believe that being gay automatically makes them unfit.

Uh. The people that you refer to KNOW not "believe" that being homosexual (not gay) makes them unfit to be parents.

Anyone who doesn't know that is unfit to be an American.

Screw the homosexualamerican lobby. I'm tired of hyphenated Americans.

Error of opinion may be tolerated where reason is left free to combat it - Thomas Jefferson

A K A Stone  posted on  2010-01-01   13:26:38 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

I'm pro gay marriage

Then you are stupider then Obama.

Error of opinion may be tolerated where reason is left free to combat it - Thomas Jefferson

A K A Stone  posted on  2010-01-01   13:27:22 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

Everyone's marriage is a mixed bag, but so long as both parents are a united front for the children, that is what is most important of all. I don't have kids, but I can tell you that when my parents got a divorce it was the worst thing that could have happened since neither parent wanted to be a parent at all.

Better to be hated for what you are, than loved for what you are not.

TommyTheMadArtist  posted on  2010-01-01   13:28:37 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

Then you are stupider then Obama.

How about engaging in conversation about it instead of being an ass? You make it obvious you didn't read the entire post or my other posts on this thread.

"The only thing better than a Federal Reserve audit would be a Federal Reserve autopsy." ~ unknown

farmfriend  posted on  2010-01-01   13:28:45 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

Yeah, unless there is physical abuse going on I think the old fashion belief of staying together for the kids is the lesser of two evils.

"The only thing better than a Federal Reserve audit would be a Federal Reserve autopsy." ~ unknown

farmfriend  posted on  2010-01-01   13:30:44 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

Even Obama isn't stupid enough to support what can never be. Gay marriage.

Anyone who even uses the term is an idiot. A total idiot. (unless you are demonstrating the stupidity of the phrase).

Error of opinion may be tolerated where reason is left free to combat it - Thomas Jefferson

A K A Stone  posted on  2010-01-01   13:30:46 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

Personally, I take the perspective of personal responsiblity. This person entered into a legal and binding agreement and she knew what that entailed. Then, she opted to bring a child into that union.

Now she needs to take responsibility for her choices. I completely disagree with her taking that child on the run. We shouldn't run from problems, especially when they are of our own creation.

I avoid that religious argument for the most part. Mostly, it's hypocritally finger pointing at one particular type of sinner while sinning in multiple other ways.

I too am comflicted about gays raising children, more so gay men than gay women which may be completely biased......but it's still true for me. However, I have little sympathy for a woman who moved to a state simply to marry her gay lover and then changes are mind after they opt to have a baby together.

"The conscious and intelligent manipulation of the organized habits and opinions of the masses is an important element in democratic society. Those who manipulate this unseen mechanism of society constitute an invisible government which is the true ruling power of our country. ... We are governed, our minds are molded, our tastes formed, our ideas suggested, largely by men we have never heard of." Edward Bernays, Father of Public Relations

abraxas  posted on  2010-01-01   13:31:19 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

I've seen people post derogatory things about you, now I know why. I'm like an elephant too, I never forget.

"The only thing better than a Federal Reserve audit would be a Federal Reserve autopsy." ~ unknown

farmfriend  posted on  2010-01-01   13:32:17 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

Yeah, I think you and I are in agreement on this one. At least I don't see anything in your post I would disagree with. It is a sticky subject and hard for most to discuss in a rational matter.

"The only thing better than a Federal Reserve audit would be a Federal Reserve autopsy." ~ unknown

farmfriend  posted on  2010-01-01   13:34:21 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

Personally, I take the perspective of personal responsiblity. This person entered into a legal and binding agreement and she knew what that entailed. Then, she opted to bring a child into that union.

Don't be a fucking moron. Having a kid raised by queers is child abuse pure and simple. You shouldn't be able to have a legal agreement where clear cut child abuse in the result. Yeah I said having queers raise kids is child abuse. If you disagree then you support child abuse.

Error of opinion may be tolerated where reason is left free to combat it - Thomas Jefferson

A K A Stone  posted on  2010-01-01   13:34:36 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

I've seen people post derogatory things about you, now I know why. I'm like an elephant too, I never forget.

If you support queers getting married. You are the problem and in no way whatsoever the solution. Please remember that.

Error of opinion may be tolerated where reason is left free to combat it - Thomas Jefferson

A K A Stone  posted on  2010-01-01   13:36:11 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

then changes are mind after they opt to have a baby together.

What grade are you in? Two women rubbing their tits and bushes together doesn't produce a baby.

Error of opinion may be tolerated where reason is left free to combat it - Thomas Jefferson

A K A Stone  posted on  2010-01-01   13:38:42 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

Two women rubbing their tits and bushes together doesn't produce a baby.

Reading comprehension lacking, asswipe? I never said that it did. What I said was this former carpet muncher rushed to a state for the umbrella of gay marriage and opted to bring a child into that union. Now, she should comply with the laws of that state that was once so great to "allow" her to marry her lover.

The concept of personal responsibility for the choices one makes is obviously foreign to you. It's her bed and she should lie in it, not take a seven year old on the run to live as a fugitive. Some mother.

"The conscious and intelligent manipulation of the organized habits and opinions of the masses is an important element in democratic society. Those who manipulate this unseen mechanism of society constitute an invisible government which is the true ruling power of our country. ... We are governed, our minds are molded, our tastes formed, our ideas suggested, largely by men we have never heard of." Edward Bernays, Father of Public Relations

abraxas  posted on  2010-01-01   13:48:02 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

Don't be a fucking moron. Having a kid raised by queers is child abuse pure and simple

No more abusive than having a child raised by an asswipe like you.......

"The conscious and intelligent manipulation of the organized habits and opinions of the masses is an important element in democratic society. Those who manipulate this unseen mechanism of society constitute an invisible government which is the true ruling power of our country. ... We are governed, our minds are molded, our tastes formed, our ideas suggested, largely by men we have never heard of." Edward Bernays, Father of Public Relations

abraxas  posted on  2010-01-01   13:49:51 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

Reading comprehension lacking, asswipe? I never said that it did. What I said was this former carpet muncher rushed to a state for the umbrella of gay marriage and opted to bring a child into that union. Now, she should comply with the laws of that state that was once so great to "allow" her to marry her lover.

NO NO NO....This is what you said.

" I have little sympathy for a woman who moved to a state simply to marry her gay lover and then changes are mind after they opt to have a baby together. "

Error of opinion may be tolerated where reason is left free to combat it - Thomas Jefferson

A K A Stone  posted on  2010-01-01   13:51:00 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

No more abusive than having a child raised by an asswipe like you.......

So you think that having two queers raise a kid is better then a man and a woman who sends them to private christian school and parents that teach them right from wrong?

Now you really went and stepped in it.

Error of opinion may be tolerated where reason is left free to combat it - Thomas Jefferson

A K A Stone  posted on  2010-01-01   13:53:01 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

" I have little sympathy for a woman who moved to a state simply to marry her gay lover and then changes are mind after they opt to have a baby together. "

Yep that's what I said. This MARRIED couple opted for a sperm donor TOGETHER in a LEGAL and BINDING contract that states BOTH are parents of the child.

It has nothing to do with "rubbing tits" or munching carpets, moron. It has to do with two legal and consenting adults entering into a BINDING contract and bringing a child into the union.

Do you piss on your contractual agreements too? Do you rush to a state for the ability to enter into a contract then cry foul when the deal goes sour?

Like I said, poor kid.

"The conscious and intelligent manipulation of the organized habits and opinions of the masses is an important element in democratic society. Those who manipulate this unseen mechanism of society constitute an invisible government which is the true ruling power of our country. ... We are governed, our minds are molded, our tastes formed, our ideas suggested, largely by men we have never heard of." Edward Bernays, Father of Public Relations

abraxas  posted on  2010-01-01   13:55:21 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

So you think that having two queers raise a kid is better then a man and a woman who sends them to private christian school and parents that teach them right from wrong

That's not the issue, moron. Former carpet muncher isn't remarried and sending the kid to Christian School. She's taking the kid on the run to live as a fugative. She obviously doesn't know right from wrong. Hell, she can't even decide who she really wants to sleep with for crying out loud.

If this former carpet muncher who uses her newly minted Christianity as a legal crutch is one half of the teaching of right and wrong, then you have not one iota of evidence to demonstrae the child is better off with her.

Genes don't make a good mother. Biology, in this case, dicatates a high degree of idiocy that may not be best for the child.

"The conscious and intelligent manipulation of the organized habits and opinions of the masses is an important element in democratic society. Those who manipulate this unseen mechanism of society constitute an invisible government which is the true ruling power of our country. ... We are governed, our minds are molded, our tastes formed, our ideas suggested, largely by men we have never heard of." Edward Bernays, Father of Public Relations

abraxas  posted on  2010-01-01   14:00:30 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

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