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Title: Former Lesbian Couple Battles Over Child Custody
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The New American
URL Source: http://www.thenewamerican.com/index ... ple-battles-over-child-custody
Published: Dec 31, 2009
Author: Rebecca Terrell
Post Date: 2009-12-31 17:13:22 by farmfriend
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Views: 2569
Comments: 157
Written by Rebecca Terrell A seven-year-old girl stands in the crosshairs of a bizarre custody battle between former lesbian domestic partners Lisa Miller and Janet Jenkins. The Wall Street Journal reports that Miller is the child's biological mother and conceived her by artificial insemination while living with Jenkins in Vermont, where they were joined in a civil union in 2001. Miller became a Christian in 2003, renounced the homosexual lifestyle, and moved to Virginia with her then-infant daughter, Isabella Miller-Jenkins. Jenkins sued for unsupervised visitation, which Vermont Judge William Cohen granted after dissolving the civil union, but Miller refused to comply with the court order. She said allowing Isabella to spend time unsupervised with Jenkins would violate her Christian principles. Miller appealed the visitation order to courts in Vermont and Virginia. The VermontTimes Argus reports that Miller's attorneys argued that Isabella has not lived with Jenkins since she was a baby. A doctor who testified in the case said the change could "induce devastating trauma." Miller also expressed concern that Jenkins refuses to take Isabella to church. Jenkins' attorneys denied these claims. Miller's appeals in both states were unsuccessful, but she remained in contempt. As a result, in November the court awarded Jenkins sole custody. According to the Wall Street Journal, an attorney for Jenkins claimed, "It is Ms. Jenkins' intent when she has custody of Isabella to allow as liberal contact as is possible with her other mother." Miller tried to delay the transfer, set for January 1, but the court denied that request, too. Now, Miller and Isabella are missing. ABC News reports that no one has seen or heard from either of them since November 20, not even Miller's attorneys. Under Vermont law, Jenkins is one of Isabella's legally recognized parents. She filed a missing person report on Wednesday since she does not know the whereabouts of her daughter. Her attorney Sarah Star said Jenkins is concerned about Isabella's safety and about Miller's mental stability. ABC News also quoted a professor of constitutional law at Vermont Law School who explained that if the transfer does not take place January 1, the court will likely issue a warrant for Miller's arrest.
Former Lesbian Couple Battles Over Child Custody
Thursday, 31 December 2009 01:00
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#118. To: A K A Stone (#115)
I still haven't seen an iota of evidence of harming children.......other than making her a fugative.
"The conscious and intelligent manipulation of the organized habits and opinions of the masses is an important element in democratic society. Those who manipulate this unseen mechanism of society constitute an invisible government which is the true ruling power of our country. ... We are governed, our minds are molded, our tastes formed, our ideas suggested, largely by men we have never heard of." Edward Bernays, Father of Public Relations
What is your sexual preference? What is your occupation? Female. My preference is men. I don't see how my profession is relevant to this discussion.
"The conscious and intelligent manipulation of the organized habits and opinions of the masses is an important element in democratic society. Those who manipulate this unseen mechanism of society constitute an invisible government which is the true ruling power of our country. ... We are governed, our minds are molded, our tastes formed, our ideas suggested, largely by men we have never heard of." Edward Bernays, Father of Public Relations
I always thought you were a guy. Who knew? I'm finding out a lot of people on this site are actually women. I'm surprised there isn't more online dating going on. Heheheheheh.
It's never to early to stop a tyrant, nor is it ever to late to stand against Tyranny.
Just me.....and now you. lol We women are full of surpises.
"The conscious and intelligent manipulation of the organized habits and opinions of the masses is an important element in democratic society. Those who manipulate this unseen mechanism of society constitute an invisible government which is the true ruling power of our country. ... We are governed, our minds are molded, our tastes formed, our ideas suggested, largely by men we have never heard of." Edward Bernays, Father of Public Relations
Uh... You misunderstood. I'm a guy
It's never to early to stop a tyrant, nor is it ever to late to stand against Tyranny.
hehehe.....I wasn't including you in that we, Tommy. That was the we that includes all the women posting on LP that you thought were men. : )
"The conscious and intelligent manipulation of the organized habits and opinions of the masses is an important element in democratic society. Those who manipulate this unseen mechanism of society constitute an invisible government which is the true ruling power of our country. ... We are governed, our minds are molded, our tastes formed, our ideas suggested, largely by men we have never heard of." Edward Bernays, Father of Public Relations
Of course now that she has fled with her child she will probably loose everything.
------- WTF. Now that your secret is out... I might flirt with you.
------- Now, according the the great state that granted her wish to marry her lesbian lover, what she wants today is not as relevant has what she wanted a couple of years ago when she married her wife. Be careful what you wish for, eh? Vermont used to be so darn great when it gave her what she wanted and now it's aweful because if doesn't grant her new wishes that support her new beliefs. Doesn't matter that now she no longer wants the child around her former gay lover. It matters what her initial intentions were regarding this child and her ex-wife, according to the court. Yep, she will probably loose everything.
"The conscious and intelligent manipulation of the organized habits and opinions of the masses is an important element in democratic society. Those who manipulate this unseen mechanism of society constitute an invisible government which is the true ruling power of our country. ... We are governed, our minds are molded, our tastes formed, our ideas suggested, largely by men we have never heard of." Edward Bernays, Father of Public Relations
Now that your secret is out... I might flirt with you. I must not be nagging enough on my posts. Maybe a few emotional outbursts would help. Oh, and an occasional tirade at least once a month for good measure. lol I'm all a blush. : )
"The conscious and intelligent manipulation of the organized habits and opinions of the masses is an important element in democratic society. Those who manipulate this unseen mechanism of society constitute an invisible government which is the true ruling power of our country. ... We are governed, our minds are molded, our tastes formed, our ideas suggested, largely by men we have never heard of." Edward Bernays, Father of Public Relations
Good point. Actually, it depends on the state. In some states a woman can screw around while she is married, yet her husband is still on the hook for child support even if the baby isn't his.
"The conscious and intelligent manipulation of the organized habits and opinions of the masses is an important element in democratic society. Those who manipulate this unseen mechanism of society constitute an invisible government which is the true ruling power of our country. ... We are governed, our minds are molded, our tastes formed, our ideas suggested, largely by men we have never heard of." Edward Bernays, Father of Public Relations
I still haven't seen an iota of evidence of harming children.......other than making her a fugative. Your confused. I understand there are a lot of posts. The "he" in my comment was God. What did God say about harming children?
Error of opinion may be tolerated where reason is left free to combat it - Thomas Jefferson
Ah... The feminine We, as opposed to the other. No worries. Still recovering from last nights 2 beer drunken-ness.
It's never to early to stop a tyrant, nor is it ever to late to stand against Tyranny.
My guess was lawyer.
Turning and turning in the widening gyre The falcon cannot hear the falconer; Things fall apart; the center cannot hold; Mere anarchy is loosed upon the world, The blood-dimmed tide is loosed, and everywhere The ceremony of innocence is drowned; The best lack all conviction, while the worst Are full of passionate intensity. .... Yeats
What....your not a dude?
Error of opinion may be tolerated where reason is left free to combat it - Thomas Jefferson
Well, I agree that would be relevant to this discussion. I did work for a lawfirm for years, which impacts my perspective. I tend to look at the aspects of this case without the religious dogma and view Miller as using religious dogma to make her case, which is legally weak. A few facts are pertinent. Miller moved to Virginia and filed suit AFTER Virginia initiated a law that specifically does not recogonize civil unions. Initially, she moved from Virginia to Vermont because Vermont recognized civil unions and allowed her to marry her same sex lover. I say the initial move and contract entered into sets precedent. The two agreed on visitation and support initially. Jenkins paid child support to Miller prior to Miller filing for sole custody rights in Virginia. Miller cashed the checks. Miller also had Jenkins help pick out the sperm donor as well as help pay for the procedure and pregnancy. Then she had a religious "conversion" and moved to a state that had a pending law to nullify the rights of her previously entered into civil union. She promptly filed to terminate the rights of her ex-wife. A lower court agreed, but a higher court went with Jenkins on appeal. Miller states that Jenkins hasn't seen the child in years, but this is only due to that fact that Miller refuses to comply with the court order and visitation schedule. Now, due to her contempt of court sole custody of the child has been granted to Jenkins.
"The conscious and intelligent manipulation of the organized habits and opinions of the masses is an important element in democratic society. Those who manipulate this unseen mechanism of society constitute an invisible government which is the true ruling power of our country. ... We are governed, our minds are molded, our tastes formed, our ideas suggested, largely by men we have never heard of." Edward Bernays, Father of Public Relations
You are a classic example of why not to let women vote.
Error of opinion may be tolerated where reason is left free to combat it - Thomas Jefferson
Not a dude. Fucking moron wasn't it?
"The conscious and intelligent manipulation of the organized habits and opinions of the masses is an important element in democratic society. Those who manipulate this unseen mechanism of society constitute an invisible government which is the true ruling power of our country. ... We are governed, our minds are molded, our tastes formed, our ideas suggested, largely by men we have never heard of." Edward Bernays, Father of Public Relations
Are you kidding me you f@ck@n moron? A woman cannot have a wife. Why do you queers have to try to pervert the language. If you want to go down on women then by all means do it. But quit fucking pretending that a woman can marry a woman.
Error of opinion may be tolerated where reason is left free to combat it - Thomas Jefferson
Why is that? Because I actually think state rights matter, unlike you who think people can hop from one state to the next to promote whatever legal case they might have pending. Because you think that religious dogma makes a case? Oh, that's right, you think all laws are moral.......lol. All laws are connected to God, right? I think I need not present any further evidence on my case that you are not equipped with enough intelligence to determine who should be voting and who should not.
"The conscious and intelligent manipulation of the organized habits and opinions of the masses is an important element in democratic society. Those who manipulate this unseen mechanism of society constitute an invisible government which is the true ruling power of our country. ... We are governed, our minds are molded, our tastes formed, our ideas suggested, largely by men we have never heard of." Edward Bernays, Father of Public Relations
Your the moron who can't even tell me why murder and stealing is wrong. You have made the case that you are a POS brain dead liberal and possibly a homosexual woman who goes down on little girls.
Error of opinion may be tolerated where reason is left free to combat it - Thomas Jefferson
Oh, yes, we return again to the symantics issue. Partner in civil union. Why are you calling me a queer, asswipe? You continue to astound me with your ignorance.
"The conscious and intelligent manipulation of the organized habits and opinions of the masses is an important element in democratic society. Those who manipulate this unseen mechanism of society constitute an invisible government which is the true ruling power of our country. ... We are governed, our minds are molded, our tastes formed, our ideas suggested, largely by men we have never heard of." Edward Bernays, Father of Public Relations
What's your evidence of this asswipe? I'm no liberal. In fact, I am the one promoting RESPONSIBILITY for actions and contracts entered into. You, on the other hand, take the liberal argument that she doesn't have to live up to her obligations any longer because she has a new religion. What a pant load. Maybe with all your anger toward homosexuals, it is you who are expressing your own short coming in regards to this issue. Look how emotional you get....lol. Having a tirade, spewing insults, making vulgar accusations in an attempt to piss me off (which isn't working dimwit).......it's all so Christian of you.
"The conscious and intelligent manipulation of the organized habits and opinions of the masses is an important element in democratic society. Those who manipulate this unseen mechanism of society constitute an invisible government which is the true ruling power of our country. ... We are governed, our minds are molded, our tastes formed, our ideas suggested, largely by men we have never heard of." Edward Bernays, Father of Public Relations
Because you are likely a closeted queer. You just don't want to admit it here because of the fallout you would receive. Anyone who champtions the cause of queers like you do is very likely a queer. There is an 8 percent chance that you are not one.
Error of opinion may be tolerated where reason is left free to combat it - Thomas Jefferson
You are a liberal. By your support of queer "marriage" you have shown yourself to be a liberal. Quit pretending your not.
Error of opinion may be tolerated where reason is left free to combat it - Thomas Jefferson
Some degrees of murder are, in fact, not wrong at all, not legally and not morally. Self defense ring a bell asswipe? Why don't you tell me how this particular type of murder is wrong.
"The conscious and intelligent manipulation of the organized habits and opinions of the masses is an important element in democratic society. Those who manipulate this unseen mechanism of society constitute an invisible government which is the true ruling power of our country. ... We are governed, our minds are molded, our tastes formed, our ideas suggested, largely by men we have never heard of." Edward Bernays, Father of Public Relations
That is laughable. You are not promoting responsibility. No one who is responsible would support perversion of words. Of having kids raised by perverts. You are promoting perversion. You are promoting changing meaning of words to promote a queer agenda. You are promoting child abuse.
Error of opinion may be tolerated where reason is left free to combat it - Thomas Jefferson
I support the state of Vermont in making such determinations, but I sure don't live in Vermont. I guess you think you should dictate the laws of all the states, on your "astute" determination of what is moral and right.......lol. Do tell what state you live in so that I can put it on my list of states I will not live in......right after Vermont.
"The conscious and intelligent manipulation of the organized habits and opinions of the masses is an important element in democratic society. Those who manipulate this unseen mechanism of society constitute an invisible government which is the true ruling power of our country. ... We are governed, our minds are molded, our tastes formed, our ideas suggested, largely by men we have never heard of." Edward Bernays, Father of Public Relations
You still didn't tell me why murder is wrong. And no asswipe all killing isn't murder. Here is another test to prove you are a liberal. Do you support child murder? (you might use the word abortion or pro choice to rationalize away evil).
Error of opinion may be tolerated where reason is left free to combat it - Thomas Jefferson
Blow me over with your never ending ignorance. She went to Vermont for her union, now she can abide by the court ruling on the side of Vermont's civil union. That's taking responsibility, which I support completely. You are promoting idiocy. What child abuse? What perversion am I supporting?
"The conscious and intelligent manipulation of the organized habits and opinions of the masses is an important element in democratic society. Those who manipulate this unseen mechanism of society constitute an invisible government which is the true ruling power of our country. ... We are governed, our minds are molded, our tastes formed, our ideas suggested, largely by men we have never heard of." Edward Bernays, Father of Public Relations
Did you already forget what we are talking about? Here let me refresh your tiny little brain. You support queers raising children....that is child abuse. Your queer agenda is all about harming children. You are an enemy of kids. I was being generous with the 8 percent number. Your odds of being a normal hetrosexual woman has declined to 4 percent.
Error of opinion may be tolerated where reason is left free to combat it - Thomas Jefferson
I was being generous with the 8 percent number. Your odds of being a normal hetrosexual woman has declined to 4 percent. I'm again astounded by your idiocy. Now it's a "queer agenda" conspiracy. Oh, and now it's "an enemy of kids". Yawn. Somebody needs to whack you up side the head with a clue by four. Gee, hate to break it to you, but your opinion of me is less relevant the belly button lint. You really are too ignorant to be placing bets and setting odds. Stick with your hypocricy, something you are actually good at.
"The conscious and intelligent manipulation of the organized habits and opinions of the masses is an important element in democratic society. Those who manipulate this unseen mechanism of society constitute an invisible government which is the true ruling power of our country. ... We are governed, our minds are molded, our tastes formed, our ideas suggested, largely by men we have never heard of." Edward Bernays, Father of Public Relations
Caution fellas, you in particular, Armadillo. The link may provide us with a clue to Ms. abraxas' unique perspective. ;-) Turning and turning in the widening gyre The falcon cannot hear the falconer; Things fall apart; the center cannot hold; Mere anarchy is loosed upon the world, The blood-dimmed tide is loosed, and everywhere The ceremony of innocence is drowned; The best lack all conviction, while the worst Are full of passionate intensity. .... Yeats
lol.....iconoclast, if you wish to know where I picked up this handle all you had to do was ask. When I logged onto 4um initially, I happened to be reading Jung's Seven Sermons of the Dead. By the Seventh sermon, the meaning is clear. All this projection as to what Abraxas is or is not, the fear and the confusion, it's all within every human. Man can't overcome what he refuses to accept or continually projects blame onto others and that's the main gist of the Seven Sermons. Abraxas is a scapegoat. Other legend has it that Abraxas is the Lord of the frogs and I've always been fond of frogs. Frightening, eh?
"The conscious and intelligent manipulation of the organized habits and opinions of the masses is an important element in democratic society. Those who manipulate this unseen mechanism of society constitute an invisible government which is the true ruling power of our country. ... We are governed, our minds are molded, our tastes formed, our ideas suggested, largely by men we have never heard of." Edward Bernays, Father of Public Relations
No, but a little off-putting. ;-)
Turning and turning in the widening gyre The falcon cannot hear the falconer; Things fall apart; the center cannot hold; Mere anarchy is loosed upon the world, The blood-dimmed tide is loosed, and everywhere The ceremony of innocence is drowned; The best lack all conviction, while the worst Are full of passionate intensity. .... Yeats
I was planning to post a harsh refutation of everything Abraxas believes, but I guess I wont. Maybe I'm old fashioned, but I try to be nice to women. Just kidding. Abraxas is still Abraxas regardless of genital configuration. ------- lol......so true. EEK!! There is no escape or relief from this dastardly poster known as Abraxas. Run!! Run for your lives!! Armadillos are tough and harsh. I feel I have narrowly escaped the wrath of a Dillo today. Thanks, Dillo. : )
"The conscious and intelligent manipulation of the organized habits and opinions of the masses is an important element in democratic society. Those who manipulate this unseen mechanism of society constitute an invisible government which is the true ruling power of our country. ... We are governed, our minds are molded, our tastes formed, our ideas suggested, largely by men we have never heard of." Edward Bernays, Father of Public Relations
This is a bearded Dillo. They are more friendly. Fun to play with too.
"The only thing better than a Federal Reserve audit would be a Federal Reserve autopsy." ~ unknown
LOL. ------- I had a sneaky suspicion, Dillo. : ) Crabs are like that too........and I know a thing or two about crabs.
"The conscious and intelligent manipulation of the organized habits and opinions of the masses is an important element in democratic society. Those who manipulate this unseen mechanism of society constitute an invisible government which is the true ruling power of our country. ... We are governed, our minds are molded, our tastes formed, our ideas suggested, largely by men we have never heard of." Edward Bernays, Father of Public Relations
What did he say about harming children?
#119. To: iconoclast (#117)
What is your gender?
#120. To: abraxas (#119)
#121. To: TommyTheMadArtist (#120)
Who knew? I'm finding out a lot of people on this site are actually women. I'm surprised there isn't more online dating going on. Heheheheheh.
#122. To: abraxas (#121)
#123. To: TommyTheMadArtist (#122)
Uh... You misunderstood. I'm a guy
#124. To: abraxas (#17)
In any other divorce, the non biological parent would have rights to the child.
Not true.
Step-parents often have no legal rights to the child.
If the biological parent is fit, and the other parent is non-biological and has not adopted the child... blood goes with blood.
Because of the mothers beliefs (newly minted is moot) she did not want her child with her former gay lover. She is the mother, it's her decision.
"Somewhere, something incredible is waiting to be known."
-Carl Sagan.
#125. To: abraxas (#119)
Female.
My preference is men.
I also thought you were male.
You post like a man. ;)
"Somewhere, something incredible is waiting to be known."
-Carl Sagan.
#126. To: Armadillo (#124)
Because of the mothers beliefs (newly minted is moot) she did not want her child with her former gay lover. She is the mother, it's her decision. Of course now that she has fled with her child she will probably loose everything.
#127. To: Armadillo (#125)
WTF. I also thought you were male. You post like a man. ;)
#128. To: Armadillo (#124)
Not true. Step-parents often have no legal rights to the child. If the biological parent is fit, and the other parent is non-biological and has not adopted the child... blood goes with blood.
#129. To: abraxas (#118)
What did he say about harming children?
#130. To: abraxas (#123)
#131. To: abraxas (#119)
I don't see how my profession is relevant to this discussion.
#132. To: abraxas (#121)
#133. To: iconoclast (#131)
My guess was lawyer.
#134. To: abraxas (#133)
#135. To: A K A Stone (#132)
What....your not a dude?
#136. To: abraxas (#133)
She promptly filed to terminate the rights of her ex-wife.
#137. To: A K A Stone (#134)
You are a classic example of why not to let women vote.
#138. To: abraxas (#137)
#139. To: A K A Stone (#136)
Are you kidding me you f@ck@n moron? A woman cannot have a wife. Why do you queers have to try to pervert the language. If you want to go down on women then by all means do it. But quit fucking pretending that a woman can marry a woman.
#140. To: A K A Stone (#138)
You have made the case that you are a POS brain dead liberal and possibly a homosexual woman who goes down on little girls.
#141. To: abraxas (#139)
#142. To: abraxas (#140)
What's your evidence of this asswipe? I'm no liberal.
#143. To: A K A Stone (#138)
Your the moron who can't even tell me why murder and stealing is wrong
#144. To: abraxas (#140)
I am the one promoting RESPONSIBILITY
#145. To: A K A Stone (#142)
You are a liberal. By your support of queer "marriage" you have shown yourself to be a liberal. Quit pretending your not.
#146. To: abraxas (#143)
Some degrees of murder are, in fact, not wrong at all, not legally and not morally. Self defense ring a bell asswipe? Why don't you tell me how this particular type of murder is wrong.
#147. To: A K A Stone (#144)
That is laughable. You are not promoting responsibility. No one who is responsible would support perversion of words. Of having kids raised by perverts. You are promoting perversion. You are promoting changing meaning of words to promote a queer agenda
#148. To: abraxas (#147)
What child abuse? What perversion am I supporting?
#149. To: A K A Stone (#148)
You support queers raising children....that is child abuse. Your queer agenda is all about harming children. You are an enemy of kids.
#150. To: Armadillo, ALL (#125)
(Edited)
Now that your secret is out... I might flirt with you
#151. To: iconoclast (#150)
#152. To: abraxas (#151)
Other legend has it that Abraxas is the Lord of the frogs and I've always been fond of frogs. Frightening, eh?
#153. To: iconoclast, farmfriend (#150)
Caution fellas, you in particular, Armadillo.
"Somewhere, something incredible is waiting to be known."
-Carl Sagan.
#154. To: Armadillo (#153)
Just kidding. Abraxas is still Abraxas regardless of genital configuration.
#155. To: abraxas, Armadillo (#154)
Armadillos are tough and harsh. I feel I have narrowly escaped the wrath of a Dillo today. Thanks, Dillo. : )
#156. To: abraxas, farmfriend (#154)
Armadillos are tough and harsh. I feel I have narrowly escaped the wrath of a Dillo today.
I got no wrath. *Hangs head low*
Armadillos are hard on the outside, but soft and squishy on the inside.
"Somewhere, something incredible is waiting to be known."
-Carl Sagan.
#157. To: Armadillo (#156)
I got no wrath. *Hangs head low* Armadillos are hard on the outside, but soft and squishy on the inside
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