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Title: Obama Executive Order Alters Your Legal Protections [aka Sieg, ... Heil!]
Source: townhall.com
URL Source: http://townhall.com/columnists/Floy ... _alters_your_legal_protections
Published: Jan 2, 2010
Author: Floyd and Mary Beth Brown
Post Date: 2010-01-02 08:54:21 by Eric Stratton
Keywords: None
Views: 317
Comments: 28

Obama Executive Order Alters Your Legal Protections
Floyd and Mary Beth Brown
Friday, January 01, 2010

With the signing of an under-publicized amendment to Executive Order 12425, Barack Obama has fundamentally altered your constitutional rights. His actions are undermining your rights to protect personal privacy from a foreign internationalist police agency named Interpol. A one-paragraph executive order may seem inconsequential to many, but this action has far reaching implications and threatens the sovereignty of America.

Obama's secretive Executive Order amended an order issued by President Reagan in 1983. Reagan's order recognized Interpol as an International Organization and gave it privileges and immunities commonly extended to foreign diplomats. Reagan opened the door to allow Interpol to operate in partnership with the U.S. but with significant constitutional safeguards. Specifically, Interpol's property and assets remained subject to search and seizure by American law enforcement, and its archived records remained subject to public scrutiny under provisions of the Freedom of Information Act. Interpol had to answer to the FBI and U.S. courts under Reagan's order. These safeguards were stripped away by Obama's action the week before Christmas without debate or explanation. Obama picked the holiday season to make this radical change to minimize media coverage.

This order marks a significant change in federal policy and usurps the constitutional power of our government by yielding it to an international organization. Michael van Der Galien writes, "This foreign law enforcement organization can operate free of an important safeguard against government and abuse. Property and assets, including the organization's records, cannot now be searched or seized. Their physical operational locations are now immune from U.S. legal and investigative authorities."

Obama has given an international organization unsupervised freedom to investigate Americans on our own soil without recourse or the supervision of our own government.

Andy McCarthy writing for the National Review asks some very significant questions: "Why would we elevate an international police force above American law? Why would we immunize an international police force from the limitations that constrain the FBI and other American law-enforcement agencies? Why is it suddenly necessary to have, within the Justice Department, a repository for stashing government files which, therefore, will be beyond the ability of Congress, American law-enforcement, the media, and the American people to scrutinize?"

Interpol is the enforcement arm of the International Criminal Court (ICC). The United States never signed onto the Rome Treaty which created the ICC because of the potential for abuse by foreign interests. Obama has signaled he may sign the treaty over these objections and subject Americans to prosecution overseas in the ICC. This is harmful for two reasons. First, the U.S. Constitution clearly states that it is the supreme law of our land and allowing the ICC to supersede the U.S. Constitution violates America's sovereignty. Second, the War on Terror is unpopular with Europeans and the ICC may attempt to prosecute heroic American soldiers with trumped up war crimes. Obama is putting brave American men and women at grave risk.

An added wrinkle to this executive order is that Interpol's operations center for the United States is housed within our own Justice Department. Many of the agents are Americans who work under the aegis of Interpol. This order has potentially created the new civilian security force that Obama proposed during his campaign. This group of law enforcement officials is no longer subject to the restraints enshrined in the U.S. Constitution.

The order guarantees that Interpol officers have immunity from prosecution for crimes they may commit in the United States. Ironically, some Interpol nations are attempting to try American intelligence agents for their work abroad in the War on Terror.

This order shows blatant disregard for the U.S. Constitution. While Obama is extending due process rights to terrorists he is weakening those same rights for American citizens. If a citizen were to be prosecuted by Interpol their newly granted immunity would interfere with the discovery process. Since Interpol files are immune to disclosure, a citizen could be denied his right to see the information used to prosecute him or her.

Obama's executive order has done more to weaken civil liberties than the much maligned Patriot Act. The silence in the mainstream media on this issue should scare all freedom loving Americans. Obama just signed away parts of our precious legal protections.

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#1. To: Eric Stratton (#0)

While the article is dead on in some cases, overall it's just neocon whining and crocodile tears. Neocon's have been justifying Constitutional abuses for eight years and now all of a sudden they got religion and care about the Constitution? Bullshit. This article is nothing more than two-party fraud theatrics meant to pacify the loyal members of the neocon side of the two party fraud and to dupe those independent still stupid enough top fall for the left-right paradigm. An an example:

This order shows blatant disregard for the U.S. Constitution. While Obama is extending due process rights to terrorists he is weakening those same rights for American citizens. If a citizen were to be prosecuted by Interpol their newly granted immunity would interfere with the discovery process. Since Interpol files are immune to disclosure, a citizen could be denied his right to see the information used to prosecute him or her.

Anyone with eyes can see that this is nothing more than a continuation of what Bush began. The USSC has just determined that at the whim of the president an American citizen can be labeled an unlawful enemy combatant, at which time he can be legally "disappeared" with absolutely zero recourse and no Habeas corpus. This executive order continues with that theme by allowing Interpol or US government alphabet agencies posing as Interpol, to help the US government make people disappear with the added benefit of not having to answer to FOIA requests.

Also, the authors out their neocon beliefs by this paragraph:

Obama's executive order has done more to weaken civil liberties than the much maligned Patriot Act. The silence in the mainstream media on this issue should scare all freedom loving Americans. Obama just signed away parts of our precious legal protections.

The Patriot Act is fine but this legislation is dastardly? Well as a freedom loving American and believer in a small, Constitutional government, I say bullshit. The Patriot Act IS NOT fine. It was maligned because it deserved to be maligned, just as this executive order deserves to be maligned. I find the idea that this executive order is a danger to our liberties but that the Patriot Act is A OK to be patently offensive.

If the authors actually gave half a shit about our loss of liberties, instead of playing two party fraud games they would explain how both parties are conniving to enslave us by use of the Patriot Act, The Military Commissions Act, and this executive order.

"The Central Intelligence Agency owns everyone of any significance in the major media." ~ William Colby, Director, CIA 1973–1976

The purpose of the legal system is to protect the elites from the wrath of those they plunder.- Elliott Jackalope

"When plunder becomes a way of life for a group of men living together in society, they create for themselves in the course of time a legal system that authorizes it and a moral code that justifies it." - Frederic Bastiat

F.A. Hayek Fan  posted on  2010-01-02   11:02:16 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#2. To: Eric Stratton (#0)

If we want to turn things around here would be as good a way as any. One simple Bill to be passed. It would turn the clock back. The laws would go back to what they were in Jan 19, 1989. Then we would have a second shot to get it right this time. Every law no exceptions.

Think how much freer we would be. No Nafta and GATT. No WTO. No clinton and Obama executive orders. Lower taxes. And lots of other stuff.

Error of opinion may be tolerated where reason is left free to combat it - Thomas Jefferson

A K A Stone  posted on  2010-01-02   11:06:57 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#3. To: F.A. Hayek Fan (#1)

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"America is at that awkward stage. It's too late to work within the system, but too early to shoot the bastards." — Claire Wolf: 101 Things to Do 'Til the Revolution (1996)

Eric Stratton  posted on  2010-01-02   11:13:25 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#4. To: A K A Stone (#2)

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"America is at that awkward stage. It's too late to work within the system, but too early to shoot the bastards." — Claire Wolf: 101 Things to Do 'Til the Revolution (1996)

Eric Stratton  posted on  2010-01-02   11:20:22 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#5. To: Eric Stratton (#0)

An added wrinkle to this executive order is that Interpol's operations center for the United States is housed within our own Justice Department. Many of the agents are Americans who work under the aegis of Interpol. This order has potentially created the new civilian security force that Obama proposed during his campaign. This group of law enforcement officials is no longer subject to the restraints enshrined in the U.S. Constitution.

Actually having a neutral non-IsraelFirst infested law enforcement department might be helpful to Americans and America.

scrapper2  posted on  2010-01-02   11:39:39 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#6. To: Eric Stratton (#4)

I agree, fully.

Here is how it could be passed. If the Republicans had enough seats. Call it the Ronald Reagan Restoration Act.

Anyone who votes against it we can say is against Reagan.

Kind of like the patriot act and saying whoever voted against it was against being patriotic.

Error of opinion may be tolerated where reason is left free to combat it - Thomas Jefferson

A K A Stone  posted on  2010-01-02   12:01:03 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#7. To: A K A Stone (#6)

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"America is at that awkward stage. It's too late to work within the system, but too early to shoot the bastards." — Claire Wolf: 101 Things to Do 'Til the Revolution (1996)

Eric Stratton  posted on  2010-01-02   15:01:00 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#8. To: Eric Stratton (#7)

You assume that enough capable Republicans actually believe that the Government needs to be reduced in size drastically. Right now, the ones in charge of the party don't believe that.

Hence the need to name it the Ronald Reagan Restoration act. Even if the Pukes in charge of the R party right now only pay lip service to Reagan. They still are paying lip service to him.

I know it isn't going to happen. I'm just fantasizing.

Error of opinion may be tolerated where reason is left free to combat it - Thomas Jefferson

A K A Stone  posted on  2010-01-02   15:03:53 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#9. To: A K A Stone (#8)

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"America is at that awkward stage. It's too late to work within the system, but too early to shoot the bastards." — Claire Wolf: 101 Things to Do 'Til the Revolution (1996)

Eric Stratton  posted on  2010-01-02   15:06:23 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#10. To: Eric Stratton (#0)

Second, the War on Terror is unpopular with Europeans and the ICC may attempt to prosecute heroic American soldiers with trumped up war crimes. Obama is putting brave American men and women at grave risk.

Interpol should go after the CICs (Criminals in Charge) who enacted these illegal actions against Sovereign States who did nothing to us.

Lod  posted on  2010-01-02   15:08:59 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#11. To: Lod (#10)

Interpol should go after the CICs (Criminals in Charge) who enacted these illegal actions against Sovereign States who did nothing to us.

Lod our own country should do that. We don't need to legitimize these international organizations that are contrary to our constitution.

Error of opinion may be tolerated where reason is left free to combat it - Thomas Jefferson

A K A Stone  posted on  2010-01-02   15:11:02 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#12. To: A K A Stone (#11)

Lod our own country should do that. We don't need to legitimize these international organizations that are contrary to our constitution.

While I agree one hundred percent, I can't help myself from thinking how funny it would be if Interpol kidnapped Henry Kissinger and took him to France for trial, or if they kidnapped a prominent neocon and took him to the Hague for trial. I mean the US has done this and they don't even have agreements with the countries they do it in. Part of me says what's good for the goose is good for the gander.

But overall, I believe that it sets a bad precedent and will hurt the average American, so even though it would be funny to see these things, none of this bodes well for our country IMHO. The powers that be would never go after people like the above anyway.

"The Central Intelligence Agency owns everyone of any significance in the major media." ~ William Colby, Director, CIA 1973–1976

The purpose of the legal system is to protect the elites from the wrath of those they plunder.- Elliott Jackalope

"When plunder becomes a way of life for a group of men living together in society, they create for themselves in the course of time a legal system that authorizes it and a moral code that justifies it." - Frederic Bastiat

F.A. Hayek Fan  posted on  2010-01-02   15:17:40 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#13. To: F.A. Hayek Fan (#12)

But overall, I believe that it sets a bad precedent and will hurt the average American, so even though it would be funny to see these things, none of this bodes well for our country IMHO. The powers that be would never go after people like the above anyway.

I feel the same way.

Error of opinion may be tolerated where reason is left free to combat it - Thomas Jefferson

A K A Stone  posted on  2010-01-02   15:26:40 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#14. To: Eric Stratton (#4)

i.e., they talk about how they have to keeping things from getting more fucked up, but the real and only way that there can be any hope is to unfuck what's already all fucked up.

While that is true it sure did hit my funny bone hard.

Liberty is not a means to a higher political end. It is itself the highest political end.
Lord Acton

James Deffenbach  posted on  2010-01-02   15:35:49 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#15. To: Lod (#10)

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"America is at that awkward stage. It's too late to work within the system, but too early to shoot the bastards." — Claire Wolf: 101 Things to Do 'Til the Revolution (1996)

Eric Stratton  posted on  2010-01-02   23:30:13 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#16. To: Eric Stratton (#0)

Interpol is the enforcement arm of the International Criminal Court (ICC). The United States never signed onto the Rome Treaty which created the ICC because of the potential for abuse by foreign interests. Obama has signaled he may sign the treaty over these objections and subject Americans to prosecution overseas in the ICC. This is harmful for two reasons. First, the U.S. Constitution clearly states that it is the supreme law of our land and allowing the ICC to supersede the U.S. Constitution violates America's sovereignty. Second, the War on Terror is unpopular with Europeans and the ICC may attempt to prosecute heroic American soldiers with trumped up war crimes. Obama is putting brave American men and women at grave risk.

An added wrinkle to this executive order is that Interpol's operations center for the United States is housed within our own Justice Department. Many of the agents are Americans who work under the aegis of Interpol. This order has potentially created the new civilian security force that Obama proposed during his campaign. This group of law enforcement officials is no longer subject to the restraints enshrined in the U.S. Constitution.

The order guarantees that Interpol officers have immunity from prosecution for crimes they may commit in the United States. Ironically, some Interpol nations are attempting to try American intelligence agents for their work abroad in the War on Terror.

This order shows blatant disregard for the U.S. Constitution. While Obama is extending due process rights to terrorists he is weakening those same rights for American citizens. If a citizen were to be prosecuted by Interpol their newly granted immunity would interfere with the discovery process. Since Interpol files are immune to disclosure, a citizen could be denied his right to see the information used to prosecute him or her.

I was reading this a few days ago and did a "little" research at that time....this story has many tentacles....actually, this story [or the real deal behind it] could be huge....am still taking notes and sorting out the ramifications.....

The American Hallucination: An Indictment of the American Mind **
5. The Attorney General of the U.S. [ERIC HOLDER] is not employed by the U.S. But is an Agent of INTERPOL which is head quartered in Lyons, France. ... www.apfn.org/apfn/halluc.htm

==============

"....the daily disposition of the monies has been co-coordinated through the Office of Currency working with the Federal Reserve, the Treasury and Attorney General and the 'big 5 banks' in New York, led by Morgan Guaranty Trust Bank. The North Carolina National Bank has also been heavily involved in this 'money laundering business' ... of the Presidents....."

"there's a war on"

"Before the Lord comes, the hidden things of darkness WILL be revealed."

"Lord, let them be caught in the trap they set for me."

"...as long as there..remain active enemies of the Christian church, we may hope to become Master of the World...the future Jewish King will never reign in the world before Christianity is overthrown - B'nai B'rith speech http://www.biblebelievers.org.au/luther.htm / http://bible.cc/psalms/83-4.htm

AllTheKings'HorsesWontDoIt  posted on  2010-01-07   9:07:43 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#17. To: AllTheKings'HorsesWontDoIt (#16)

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The relationship between morality and liberty is a linear one.

Eric Stratton  posted on  2010-01-07   9:39:13 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#18. To: Eric Stratton (#0)

Let's say you're a holocaust denier here in the United States. Let's say you're on a forum, and you bring up the science of the holocaust, and all that. You're freely discussing a topic here in America, from your home, and let's say you think you're free to do so.

NOW, Some Jew can be offended, and have your ass arrested under some international law on the books in Germany, as some German might see it and get the wrong thoughts placed in their head, and you can be arrested, taken from your home, taken from America, and put on trial for Denying The Holocaust.

It is better to be hated for what you are, than loved for what you are not. - Tommy The Mad Artist.

TommyTheMadArtist  posted on  2010-01-07   9:39:28 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#19. To: TommyTheMadArtist (#18)

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The relationship between morality and liberty is a linear one.

Eric Stratton  posted on  2010-01-07   9:50:13 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#20. To: Eric Stratton (#17)

I have thought all your above thoughts....

I agree it looks very bad....I have plenty of "down" moments. However, I know God has a special plan for America, and while I see a lot of really discouraging things happening [and that is how I originally looked at your post, and I will STILL allow this is a double-edged sword], there are hopeful things happening as well. There is a WAR on. There are two nations struggling to be born here. I know which one has already won!

He didn't say it would be a walk in the park..... bible.cc/micah/4-10.htm [Babylon is symbolic]

[btw, there was a gamma ray burst in Virgo at the same time as Comet Lulin. I am convinced Comet Lulin was a major, major sign in the sky of the times we are in. I've read a gamma ray burst is the most powerful event in the universe. It signifies to me "birth pangs".]

Micah 4:9 Now why dost thou cry out aloud? is there no king in thee? is thy counsellor perished? for pangs have taken thee as a woman in travail.

10 Be in pain, and labour to bring forth, O daughter of Zion, like a woman in travail: for now shalt thou go forth out of the city, and thou shalt dwell in the field, and thou shalt go even to Babylon; there shalt thou be delivered; there the LORD shall redeem thee from the hand of thine enemies.

11 Now also many nations are gathered against thee, that say, Let her be defiled, and let our eye look upon Zion.

But He did say He would strengthen us for the task:

12 But they know not the thoughts of the LORD, neither understand they his counsel: for he shall gather them as the sheaves into the floor.

13 Arise and thresh, O daughter of Zion: for I will make thine horn iron, and I will make thy hoofs brass: and thou shalt beat in pieces many people: and I will consecrate their gain unto the LORD, and their substance unto the Lord of the whole earth. bible.cc/micah/4-13.htm

That you may devote to the LORD their unjust gain And their wealth to the Lord of all the earth.

"...For those of us that engage in programs like this one, are taking responsibility for themselves and are guarding the futures of their children and their children's children. You are doing a service to all of mankind to guard the liberties of the living men and women against the fictional world of legal corruption and encroachment and servitude to the fiction, in a sense it is like the machine world of the MATRIX"

"Discharge Debt [AND BECOME A SOVEREIGN AMONG SOVEREIGNS UNDER GOD REV. 5:9-10/ISAIAH 9:6-7]

THIS IS A DEBT ELIMINATION AND IDENTITY REDEMPTION SITE.

We Offer a Program To Eliminate Your Debts, and to take back your God given rights and identity from the Government that took it from you in secret by unlawful & unethical means. This secret Government created and presumed identity puts you into servitude to the system.

THE INFORMATION ON THIS WEBSITE IS SWEEPING THE COUNTRY LIKE A BRUSH FIRE. THIS INFORMATION IS ALLOWING MANY THOUSANDS TO TAKE CONTROL AND PUSH THE ENCROACHMENT OF THE SYSTEMS BACK INTO THEIR FICTIONAL WORLD THUS ALLOWING YOU THE CREDITOR TO LIVE THE WAY MAN WAS MEANT TO LIVE WITHOUT FORCE OF OPPRESSION UPON YOU FROM THE FICTIONAL WORLD INTO YOUR REAL WORLD.

Our Credit Elimination Program Allows You To Discharge Your Debts In a matter of months for little more than the cost of the program. Discharging by is done by setting up a contract trust account with the correct agencies and then issuing the bonds or credit via a trust account to the lenders you supposedly hold a debt with.

With other programs your debts should be $5000 or above for those programs to save you money. This program can be used by anyone with any amount of debt with a Bank, IRS, Courts or Government for only the cost of our program which is $1500. [OR YOU CAN DO IT YOURSELF.] When you know the ins and outs of debts you can confidently discharge your own debts. Our materials teach you the laws and the fraud of the banking system.

It is amazing how many come to sites like this one and then do nothing to actually help themselves, they do not purchase anything from anywhere. Instead, they just keep looking and mistrusting what they find and ultimately end up loosing to the corruption of the system. People do not actually want to help themselves; they want some magic pill to make it all go away, that pill does not exist. So often I here people say they have been ripped off by so and so debt elimination that just disappeared after a few months of work on their situation. I must ask why would you let someone else do this for you? When learning how and why the system is doing what it does to you it can give you all the ammo you will need to throw off their aggressions toward you. Someone else that you hired is not on the front line YOU ARE, they have nothing at stake to loose. It takes an understanding and some willingness to throw off the shackles of the banks and the corrupt system of oppression we have all been raised in. Freedom comes only after we stand up and throw off the aggressors who want to control us and take our money, while they live and laugh in luxury at our hard earned expense. The founding fathers had no such pill; they had to stand up against their attackers from England before the Constitution was signed making this country free from the British Crown.

The people of this and other countries do not understand the workings of high finance the way the system does because the system is the one creating the high finance that is being used against us. They sell bonds on the international market against your SS# and your future labors to name only two ways they have enslaved you. The system creates these things behind our backs in secrecy and they make trillions from selling our signatures and labors. We are slaves to this. NOW lets reverse this a bit, WHO says what they do is legal??? WE ARE THE PEOPLE NOT THEM. What we say is what makes law not them. They are fictional characters created by us the Sovereign people. We have gone astray and let them get out of control and these fictional characters are now ruling us the Sovereign people. Think about that for a moment, If we the people are the Sovereign and authors of law and they are nothing more than a fictional character that we created then we must be their rulers and we have the power to shut them down at any time.

WHAT ARE WE WAITING FOR????......"

The above excerpt was taken from the website discharge-debt.com . I have so much on my computer, the URL didn't print out, so I can't tell you the exact URL. Please take a look, cheer up, and hopefully, start your engines....

Read Psalm 2.

"I AM with you alway"

"If God be FOR us, who can be against us?"

"...as long as there..remain active enemies of the Christian church, we may hope to become Master of the World...the future Jewish King will never reign in the world before Christianity is overthrown - B'nai B'rith speech http://www.biblebelievers.org.au/luther.htm / http://bible.cc/psalms/83-4.htm

AllTheKings'HorsesWontDoIt  posted on  2010-01-07   10:28:30 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#21. To: AllTheKings'HorsesWontDoIt (#20)

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The relationship between morality and liberty is a linear one.

Eric Stratton  posted on  2010-01-07   10:39:33 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#22. To: TommyTheMadArtist, Eric Stratton (#18)

Let's say you're a holocaust denier here in the United States. Let's say you're on a forum, and you bring up the science of the holocaust, and all that. You're freely discussing a topic here in America, from your home, and let's say you think you're free to do so.

NOW, Some Jew can be offended, and have your ass arrested under some international law on the books in Germany, as some German might see it and get the wrong thoughts placed in their head, and you can be arrested, taken from your home, taken from America, and put on trial for Denying The Holocaust.

That was the other side of the double-edged sword I was thinking about. The US Constitution mentions that there is ONE SUPREME COURT. From my reading, the US Supreme Court is not it. I am unclear what is. But since the goal is to have the SUPREME COURT OF MANKIND [at the Sanhedrin?] in Jerusalem under the so-called "NOAHIDE LAWS", I have wondered if that is what the Judeo-Masonic floundering fathers had in mind.

I suggest folks make a copy of the Banker's Manifesto, [that should get people's attention what with all the Bankster's shenanigans now in full view...now maybe we "conspiracy theorists" won't look so much like "extremists"], with all of the subtitles on the page intact, to entice people to look at the site, and distribute them everywhere. The more people know about this, the better. I also suggest people make back-ups of this site. I am able to see this URL....typing: http://www.discharge-debt.com/id23.htm

I also suggest you distribute it with a copy of this:

Campaign to Abolish X-mas
Campaign to abolish X-mas celebration by gentiles. Noahide Mivtzaiim materials now available. Anyone interested in obtaining holiday fliers (@ $.25 each) to ... www.noahide.com/infiltration/xmas.htm

In their own words, and ADL will thank you....or not :}

"...as long as there..remain active enemies of the Christian church, we may hope to become Master of the World...the future Jewish King will never reign in the world before Christianity is overthrown - B'nai B'rith speech http://www.biblebelievers.org.au/luther.htm / http://bible.cc/psalms/83-4.htm

AllTheKings'HorsesWontDoIt  posted on  2010-01-07   10:49:42 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#23. To: Eric Stratton (#21)

1 Tim 6

6 But godliness actually is a means of great gain when accompanied by contentment. 7 For we have brought nothing into the world, so we cannot take anything out of it either. 8 If we have food and covering, with these we shall be content. 9 But those who want to get rich fall into temptation and a snare and many foolish and harmful desires which plunge men into ruin and destruction. 10 For the love of money is a root of all sorts of evil, and some by longing for it have wandered away from the faith and pierced themselves with many griefs.

I could counter that with other verses that put it in perspective, but this is not about us getting rich. It is about FREEDOM to do what God raised up this nation for: to be kings and priests through the gospel. The money is consecrated to the LORD, who says "The gold is mine and the silver is mine." He doesn't need the money....He wants us to take it back from them to HEAL THE NATIONS: Rev. 22:2. They have created TRILLIONS AND TRILLIONS OF DIGITAL MONEY out of thin air. They control it all. We take the control back and redistribute it equitably to all the people of all the nations, possibly according to how well they turn their hearts to Jesus Christ. [What's that passage about if any nation does not come up once a year to worship, there will be no rain on that nation.] Yes, the love of money is the root of all evil. I was just reading on the site what the author had to say about that [I think it was under THE USE OF MONEY COMING TO AN END]. The world is going through very hard times. The world may be ready for a paradigm shift: a world based on loving God with all your heart and soul, and your neighbor as yourself.

"...as long as there..remain active enemies of the Christian church, we may hope to become Master of the World...the future Jewish King will never reign in the world before Christianity is overthrown - B'nai B'rith speech http://www.biblebelievers.org.au/luther.htm / http://bible.cc/psalms/83-4.htm

AllTheKings'HorsesWontDoIt  posted on  2010-01-07   11:05:55 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#24. To: AllTheKings'HorsesWontDoIt (#20)

Freedom comes only after we stand up and throw off the aggressors who want to control us and take our money, while they live and laugh in luxury at our hard earned expense. The founding fathers had no such pill; they had to stand up against their attackers from England before the Constitution was signed making this country free from the British Crown.

The people of this and other countries do not understand the workings of high finance the way the system does because the system is the one creating the high finance that is being used against us. They sell bonds on the international market against your SS# and your future labors to name only two ways they have enslaved you. The system creates these things behind our backs in secrecy and they make trillions from selling our signatures and labors. We are slaves to this. NOW lets reverse this a bit, WHO says what they do is legal??? WE ARE THE PEOPLE NOT THEM. What we say is what makes law not them. They are fictional characters created by us the Sovereign people. We have gone astray and let them get out of control and these fictional characters are now ruling us the Sovereign people. Think about that for a moment, If we the people are the Sovereign and authors of law and they are nothing more than a fictional character that we created then we must be their rulers and we have the power to shut them down at any time.

WHAT ARE WE WAITING FOR????......"

"A WORD OF CAUTION TO THE MEEK

For those of you that are timid or week at heart and uncertain if you should or shouldn't undertake this type of a venture, a venture to retake your God given rights and take control of your personal and financial future by discharging those unlawful and fraudulent debs. (We are talking about the redemption process.)

Here is a word of caution. The legal and banking systems are not going to tell you that what you are doing is right, they are not going to say hay man its ok to go ahead and discharge your unlawful debts we placed upon you without disclosing the facts behind the scenes. They will not tell you that you were the one that funded your own loan while they snickered behind your back at all the free money they would get from you for nothing. They will not hold your hand to help you along the way of being a sovereign and they certainly are not going to let you take bread off their very decadent tables of lavish wealth. No, they are to used to being in control and getting all the cash from the fruits of your hard earned money from the labor of the living man and woman.

In fact, they are going to go to some extremes now and then to make sure you do not win the battle. They will deny your claims in the lower courts, the banks will keep sending your collection letters and put negative marks on your credit reports, they will ignore your letters and requests for facts surrounding the lawfulness of your loan with them, they will try to sue you from time to time and so on.

Listed below is a letter dated back in late 2003 from the office of the comptroller of the currency that went out to many banks. Keep in mind that this letter of well over 1.5 years old. The redemption and bond process is always evolving and being improved. Loans have been discharged by bond and no agency has ever showed up at any ones door after the process.

Now the reason they have not shown up at any ones door would appear to be because in the time since this letter, the process has been refined and the facts of doing a successful discharge is becoming well known. On the other hand we also see that the banks have to accept Bonds and International Bills Of Exchange (IBOE's) as a matter of their own law written and accepted by the Federal Reserve system.

See the continuation of this letter below this alert

Alert 2003-12
ALERT

Subject: Illegal Financial Activity
Description: Fictitious Debt Elimination Schemes

Date: October 1, 2003

TO: Chief Executive Officers of All National Banks; All State Banking Authorities; Chairman, Board of Governors of the Federal Reserve System; Chairman, Federal Deposit Insurance Corporation; Conference of State Bank Supervisors; Deputy Comptrollers (districts); Assistant Deputy Comptrollers; District Counsel and All Examining Personnel

RE: Debt Elimination Schemes using Fictitious or Worthless Bonds, Due Bills and Bills of Exchange

Please be advised that worthless instruments entitled “Bond for Discharge of Debt,” “Bill of Exchange,” “Due Bill,” “Redemption Certificate,” or other similarly titled documents continue to be presented to financial institutions, mortgage companies, credit card issuers, and retail establishments throughout the United States in an effort to eliminate legitimate debts. Many of these schemes are premised on baseless or fraudulent claims against the United States Treasury, the Secretary of the Treasury, the Office of the Comptroller of the Currency, the Board of Governors of the Federal Reserve System, the Internal Revenue Service, or other federal or state agencies. (See also OCC Alert 2003-7 and OCC Alert 99-10).

Regardless of how such instruments or documents are titled or whether they appear authentic, they are worthless, have no legal validity, and are not payable through the United States Treasury, the Secretary of the Treasury, the Comptroller of the Currency, or any other federal or state agency. The OCC is aware of the following organizations and Web sites promoting these fraudulent schemes:

· America's Advantage
· http://eliminatemortgages.com
· http://goodbyemortgages.com
· http://mortgageelimination.net
· http://the7thfire.com
· Financial Dynamics
· http://remedywithredemption.com

The creation and presentment of these fictitious instruments may be a violation of Title 18, Section 514, Fictitious Obligations, or other federal criminal statutes, and any person(s) using such fictitious instruments with the intent to discharge valid debts may be subject to criminal prosecution. If a fraudulent document such as those described above is presented to your financial institution, do not return it. Instead, retain the document and file a Suspicious Activity Report. Deliver the instrument and a copy of the SAR to the local office of the Federal Bureau of Investigation.

Please direct any questions or provide further information to the attention of the OCC at:

E-mail: occalertresponses@occ.treas.gov
Mail: Office of the Comptroller of the Currency
Enforcement & Compliance Division, MS 8-10
250 E Street, SW, Washington, DC 20219
Telephone: (202) 874-4800
Fax: (202) 874-5301
Internet: www.occ.treas.gov

Brian C. McCormally
Director
Enforcement & Compliance Division ______________________________________________________________________________________________________

The numbers listed are in reference to data omitted from this excerpt. Updated information about the significance of October 17th, 2005, and also what exactly is the "October Surprise" about that is being discussed on the low in powerful political circles. Now October 17th, 2005, is the date when the new bankruptcy laws go into effect, and also the little known fact that this will change the U.S. (corporate) bankruptcy Status from a Chapter 11 Reorganization to a Chapter 7 Liquidation. The foreign creditors that own most U.S. citizen's bonded birth certificate securities, will now be able to come in and liquidate all of their tangible & intangible assets. Yes, including the people aka U.S. citizen, because based on unrevealed non disclosed "adhesion contracts" they will be held as surety for their Strawman.

The statutory people fall under the category of intangible assets and thus have the "privilege" to work off their personal debt & the national debt (see # 11) in one of the up and running National Concentration Camps located through out the country. (see # 12). All that's missing is another 9-11/"national emergency". If you're watching the news I'm sure you see how they are mentally preparing the people to accept the Al-Qaedaians as this months new demon terrorist. What a perfect excuse to take away whatever residual rights left from 9-11........

Although it may seem complicated at first, it's really quite simple. These links (OMITTED) will cover the basics, so you may overstand the impending chaos, which is consciously being orchestrated around us. See for your self. The Creator has given us all FREE WILL. The choice is yours to believe or disbelieve. Let your conscience be your guide. Yes it is overstood, that under these heavily laden circumstances denial is an acceptable form of coping. Although not useful, but it is expected and acceptable.

END ______________________________________________________________________________________________________

From the above two letters we can see that time is running out for our freedoms. We are constantly being funneled into ever worsening circumstances by our own government that we started and supposedly trust, do you trust them? I don't.

So are you going to continue to be the week and just take what they are dishing out in the form of ignoring the law and lying to you or are you going to stand up and help teach others what you can learn from becoming a Sovereign Master over your world and country before it is gone entirely? Sovereignty is the key to understand what is happening and how to effectively push back the encroachment of the ever looming systems of total control over the very people that created the governments in the first place. Remember the government is only a fictional entity and as such it has no jurisdiction over the living man, but you must tell it who you are and they will have to retreat. The redemption and discharge program works well, so are you going to continue to be the meek and pay and pay and pay or are your going to revert your citizenship status to that of the founding fathers or remain a civil slave who cannot discharge those debts fraudulently placed upon you????

If this letter dissuades you then I suggest you close this site and forget you ever found it. If not then I invite you to learn how to be rid of those unlawful debts the system has so fraudulently placed upon you that was completely against the law for them to do.

www.discharge-debt.com/id128.htm

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They're selling off the country bit by bit, there are over 2 million in prison, they are spraying us as if we were pestilence, they are poisoning our food and water, vaccinating us with more poisons, given emminent domain to China, turned our health care over to our mortal enemies, etc. etc.....what ARE we waiting for?

"...as long as there..remain active enemies of the Christian church, we may hope to become Master of the World...the future Jewish King will never reign in the world before Christianity is overthrown - B'nai B'rith speech http://www.biblebelievers.org.au/luther.htm / http://bible.cc/psalms/83-4.htm

AllTheKings'HorsesWontDoIt  posted on  2010-01-07   16:24:23 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#25. To: Eric Stratton (#0)

These safeguards were stripped away by Obama's action the week before Christmas without debate or explanation.

Here is an explanation:

OPERATION STILLPOINT STOPPED

“I would give no thought of what the world might say of me, if I could only transmit to posterity the reputation of an honest man.” - Sam Houston

Sam Houston  posted on  2010-01-07   16:33:11 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#26. To: Sam Houston (#25)

Very, very interesting, thanks for posting. Well, that confirms what I was reading and surmising about the "Texas Two-Step and the Texas Billionare's Club" at rumormillnews; also it jives with the article I read last week from NewWithViews: "Credibility in Scary Times" by Lynn Stuter. I also read the US Code, Title 22, 288a Privileges, Exemptions, and Immunities of International Organizations. I still say it could be a double-edged sword, but if your article is correct, and I hope it is, the light at the end of the tunnel might not be an oncoming train, for We the People, that is. I am hopeful. BTW, that was interesting about the CIA agents being the ones behind the murder of the handcuffed schoolchildren. It will be interesting to see how this all plays out.

"...as long as there..remain active enemies of the Christian church, we may hope to become Master of the World...the future Jewish King will never reign in the world before Christianity is overthrown - B'nai B'rith speech http://www.biblebelievers.org.au/luther.htm / http://bible.cc/psalms/83-4.htm

AllTheKings'HorsesWontDoIt  posted on  2010-01-07   19:43:30 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#27. To: Sam Houston (#25)

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The relationship between morality and liberty is a linear one.

Eric Stratton  posted on  2010-01-07   23:13:18 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#28. To: Sam Houston, All (#25)

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The relationship between morality and liberty is a linear one.

Eric Stratton  posted on  2010-01-08   8:57:51 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


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