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Title: Sugar May Be Bad, But This Sweetener Is Far More Deadly (HFCS)
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URL Source: http://articles.mercola.com/sites/a ... p-Alters-Human-Metabolism.aspx
Published: Jan 3, 2010
Author: Dr. Mercola
Post Date: 2010-01-03 12:51:47 by christine
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Scientists have proved for the first time that fructose, a cheap form of sugar used in thousands of food products and soft drinks, can damage human metabolism and is fueling the obesity crisis. Fructose, a sweetener usually derived from corn, can cause dangerous growths of fat cells around vital organs and is able to trigger the early stages of diabetes and heart disease. Over 10 weeks, 16 volunteers on a controlled diet including high levels of fructose produced new fat cells around their heart, liver and other digestive organs. They also showed signs of food-processing abnormalities linked to diabetes and heart disease. Another group of volunteers on the same diet, but with glucose sugar replacing fructose, did not have these problems. This study takes its place in a growing lineup of scientific studies demonstrating that consuming high-fructose corn syrup is the fastest way to trash your health. It is now known without a doubt that sugar in your food, in all it’s myriad of forms, is taking a devastating toll. And fructose in any form -- including high-fructose corn syrup (HFCS) and crystalline fructose -- is the worst of the worst! Fructose is a major contributor to: Insulin resistance and obesity Elevated blood pressure Elevated triglycerides and elevated LDL Depletion of vitamins and minerals Cardiovascular disease, liver disease, cancer, arthritis and even gout A Calorie is Not a Calorie Glucose is the form of energy you were designed to run on. Every cell in your body, every bacterium -- and in fact, every living thing on the Earth--uses glucose for energy. If you received your fructose only from vegetables and fruits (where it originates) as most people did a century ago, you’d consume about 15 grams per day -- a far cry from the 73 grams per day the typical adolescent gets from sweetened drinks. In vegetables and fruits, it’s mixed in with fiber, vitamins, minerals, enzymes, and beneficial phytonutrients, all which moderate any negative metabolic effects. It isn’t that fructose itself is bad -- it is the MASSIVE DOSES you’re exposed to that make it dangerous. There are two reasons fructose is so damaging: Your body metabolizes fructose in a much different way than glucose. The entire burden of metabolizing fructose falls on your liver. People are consuming fructose in enormous quantities, which has made the negative effects much more profound. Today, 55 percent of sweeteners used in food and beverage manufacturing are made from corn, and the number one source of calories in America is soda, in the form of HFCS. Food and beverage manufacturers began switching their sweeteners from sucrose (table sugar) to corn syrup in the 1970s when they discovered that HFCS was not only far cheaper to make, it’s also about 20 times sweeter than table sugar. This switch drastically altered the average American diet. By USDA estimates, about one-quarter of the calories consumed by the average American is in the form of added sugars, and most of that is HFCS. The average Westerner consumes a staggering 142 pounds a year of sugar! And the very products most people rely on to lose weight -- the low-fat diet foods -- are often the ones highest in fructose. Making matters worse, all of the fiber has been removed from these processed foods, so there is essentially no nutritive value at all. Fructose Metabolism Basics Without getting into the very complex biochemistry of carbohydrate metabolism, it is important to understand some differences about how your body handles glucose versus fructose. I will be publishing a major article about this in the next couple of months, which will get much more into the details, but for our purpose here, I will just summarize the main points. Dr. Robert Lustig[i] Professor of Pediatrics in the Division of Endocrinology at the University of California, San Francisco, has been a pioneer in decoding sugar metabolism. His work has highlighted some major differences in how different sugars are broken down and used: After eating fructose, 100 percent of the metabolic burden rests on your liver. But with glucose, your liver has to break down only 20 percent. Every cell in your body, including your brain, utilizes glucose. Therefore, much of it is “burned up” immediately after you consume it. By contrast, fructose is turned into free fatty acids (FFAs), VLDL (the damaging form of cholesterol), and triglycerides, which get stored as fat. The fatty acids created during fructose metabolism accumulate as fat droplets in your liver and skeletal muscle tissues, causing insulin resistance and non-alcoholic fatty liver disease (NAFLD). Insulin resistance progresses to metabolic syndrome and type II diabetes. Fructose is the most lipophilic carbohydrate. In other words, fructose converts to activated glycerol (g-3-p), which is directly used to turn FFAs into triglycerides. The more g-3-p you have, the more fat you store. Glucose does not do this. When you eat 120 calories of glucose, less than one calorie is stored as fat. 120 calories of fructose results in 40 calories being stored as fat. Consuming fructose is essentially consuming fat! The metabolism of fructose by your liver creates a long list of waste products and toxins, including a large amount of uric acid, which drives up blood pressure and causes gout. Glucose suppresses the hunger hormone ghrelin and stimulates leptin, which suppresses your appetite. Fructose has no effect on ghrelin and interferes with your brain’s communication with leptin, resulting in overeating. If anyone tries to tell you “sugar is sugar,” they are way behind the times. As you can see, there are major differences in how your body processes each one. The bottom line is: fructose leads to increased belly fat, insulin resistance and metabolic syndrome -- not to mention the long list of chronic diseases that directly result. Panic in the Corn Fields As the truth comes out about HFCS, the Corn Refiners Association is scrambling to convince you that their product is equal to table sugar, that it is “natural” and safe. Of course, many things are “natural” -- cocaine is natural, but you wouldn’t want to use 142 pounds of it each year. The food and beverage industry doesn’t want you to realize how truly pervasive HFCS is in your diet -- not just from soft drinks and juices, but also in salad dressings and condiments and virtually every processed food. The introduction of HFCS into the Western diet in 1975 has been a multi-billion dollar boon for the corn industry. The FDA classifies fructose as GRAS: Generally Regarded As Safe. Which pretty much means nothing and is based on nothing. There is plenty of data showing that fructose is not safe -- but the effects on the nation’s health have not been immediate. That is why we are just now realizing the effects of the last three decades of nutritional misinformation. As if the negative metabolic effects are not enough, there are other issues with fructose that disprove its safety: More than one study has detected unsafe mercury levels in HFCS[ii]. Crystalline fructose (a super-potent form of fructose the food and beverage industry is now using) may contain arsenic, lead, chloride and heavy metals. Nearly all corn syrup is made from genetically modified corn, which comes with its own set of risks. The FDA isn’t going to touch sugar, so it’s up to you to be proactive about your own dietary choices. What’s a Sugarholic to Do? Ideally, I recommend that you avoid as much sugar as possible. This is especially important if you are overweight or have diabetes, high cholesterol, or high blood pressure. I also realize we don’t live in a perfect world, and following rigid dietary guidelines is not always practical or even possible. If you want to use a sweetener occasionally, this is what I recommend: Use the herb stevia. Use organic cane sugar in moderation. Use organic raw honey in moderation. Avoid ALL artificial sweeteners, which can damage your health even more quickly than fructose. Avoid agave syrup since it is a highly processed sap that is almost all fructose. Your blood sugar will spike just as it would if you were consuming regular sugar or HFCS. Agave’s meteoric rise in popularity is due to a great marketing campaign, but any health benefits present in the original agave plant are processed out. Avoid so-called energy drinks and sports drinks because they are loaded with sugar, sodium and chemical additives. Rehydrating with pure, fresh water is a better choice. If you or your child is involved in athletics, I recommend you read my article Energy Rules for some great tips on how to optimize your child’s energy levels and physical performance through good nutrition.
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#1. To: christine (#0)
They put that HFCS $#it in just about everything in America that is supposed to be even a little bit sweet. Usually listed among the first ingredients. Coke, with access to as much real sugar as they need, uses that $#it in America and the officers of the company should be hanged for doing so. There ARE places in the world where they use real sugar in Cokes and they taste like they did years ago when they were actually tasty.
Liberty is not a means to a higher political end. It is itself the highest political end. I avoid HFCS like the plague. Unfortunately I am a Pepsi drinker and there are no good inexpensive, and readily available, colas that use real sugar as opposed to HFCS. What I am afraid of though is that the growing awareness of HFCS as a toxin in food will result in greater use of GMO Sugar Beets which are now being introduced. So a shift back to glucose as a sweetener will be almost moot if that is allowed into the food chain - and since the FDA is a wholly owned subsidiary of the businesses it allegedly regulates that is almost a given.
"One of the least understood strategies of the world revolution now moving rapidly toward its goal is the use of mind control as a major means of obtaining the consent of the people who will be subjects of the New World Order." K.M. Heaton, The National Educator
I commend you because that is almost impossible in the US. Look at the list of ingredients in things like barbecue sauce, salad dressings, cereals, etc., etc. HFCS is almost always one of the first things listed.
Liberty is not a means to a higher political end. It is itself the highest political end. What I am afraid of though is that the growing awareness of HFCS as a toxin in food will result in greater use of GMO Sugar Beets which are now being introduced. So a shift back to glucose as a sweetener will be almost moot if that is allowed into the food chain - and since the FDA is a wholly owned subsidiary of the businesses it allegedly regulates that is almost a given. Read between the lines. If those who created the top article had their way, they would ban cola, candy, red meat, eggs and nearly everything else. We would be forced to live on only gruel for the rest of our shortened lives.
They are getting there though. I have seen Coke with real sugar at multiple places and the other day I saw Pepsi with real sugar at Safeway. Said it was limited time though. I think they are testing the market. If it is still there I'm going to buy some to encourage production.
"The only thing better than a Federal Reserve audit would be a Federal Reserve autopsy." ~ unknown
Remember the "New" Coke vs "Classic" Coke? It was all just a ruse to change the recipe from sugar to corn syrup. In order to do so, Coke had to take the "Classic" off the market long enough for people not to notice the change in taste when they brought it back a few months later.
I nominate Obama for the Chernobyl Prize.
They are getting there though. I have seen Coke with real sugar at multiple places and the other day I saw Pepsi with real sugar at Safeway. Said it was limited time though. I think they are testing the market. If it is still there I'm going to buy some to encourage production. Thank you. I rarely go into Safeway, although I have one nearby, because they are too bleedin' expensive. I can beat their prices readily elsewhere. However, I will check and see if my local one has the sugar sweetened Pepsi. Hopefully not made from GMO Sugar Beets.
"One of the least understood strategies of the world revolution now moving rapidly toward its goal is the use of mind control as a major means of obtaining the consent of the people who will be subjects of the New World Order." K.M. Heaton, The National Educator
Yeah, I remember it. Very well. That's why I said the officers should be hanged for foisting that $#it off on the people, especially since they have access to a plentiful supply of sugar.
Liberty is not a means to a higher political end. It is itself the highest political end. We would be forced to live on only gruel for the rest of our shortened lives. There are real food issues and their are fad food issues. Some of the issues are legitimate and real such as adding "flavor enhancers" to foods to make you eat more and desire more (MSG is the most common culprit and it shows up under a variety of names). For example the aforementioned MSG is what is known as an excito-toxin i.e., it overstimulates nerve receptors to the point of killing them (see Dr. Russel Blalock's book "Excito-toxins The Taste That Kills"). It causes migraines, kills neurons, and is addictive. Ditto GMO products as one of the side effects of creating gene manipulated organisms i.e., GMO's is that along with the desired changes come undesired ones such as undigestibility, unknown protein complexes with unpredictable effects since they have not been tested, etc., ... In some studies, tomatoes comes to mind, laboratory rats would not eat them and had to be force fed them. When they were force fed them they became sickly and died. GMO's are not necessarily bad but they require rigorous and complete testing before they are allowed into the food chain. However the FDA and USDA being wholly owned by the industries they allegedly regulate act only as a rubber stamp and as a means to suppress competition through regulating the competition out of business. As well the FDA and USDA enforcement arms are used to physically shut down competition to their true masters. It is a VERY corrupt game. Being concerned about what is in your food, and how it was produced, is a reasonable concern for an educated consumer. That is why wherever possible I buy organic, and I already was a gardener and so now grow more of what I eat myself using methods known to produce healthy and nutritious vegetables. There are legitimate concerns and where the bottom line, not quality, is the main concern the unethical will produce whatever they can sell for the highest margin and devil take the consumer. John Ruskin summed it up nicely: ""There is nothing in the world that some man cannot make a little worse and sell a little cheaper, and he who considers price only is that man's lawful prey." That truism has not changed in the over 100 years since it was penned. "One of the least understood strategies of the world revolution now moving rapidly toward its goal is the use of mind control as a major means of obtaining the consent of the people who will be subjects of the New World Order." K.M. Heaton, The National Educator
All such issues are designed to one thing, HURT the people with more government tyrannical regulations. Original_Intent, I am not trying to be rude, nor snap at you. I am just trying to make a point.
Folks, instead of complaining. Start a company that sells non-MSG, non-fructose colas and other drink and food products. I am willing to try consuming such products.
A very wise saying.
Liberty is not a means to a higher political end. It is itself the highest political end. Not at all. There are real issues as I outlined above. And what did I say about government regulators? All government regulatory agencies serve first the needs and wants of the major companies in the industries they allegedly regulate. There are, and always have been, dishonest providers in any product or market. Government regulatory agencies serve the need of providing cover and deniability for corrupt and dishonest purveyors. "Well it met the government standard" is considered sufficient to exculpate dishonest behavior. We even have names for them cheats and frauds. The presence or absence of government regulators does not affect this. Because a food product meets government standards does not mean it is healthy or wholesome. It means simply and only that it met the standards lobbyists have been able to get the agency to set - to protect the industry. Information is not regulation. Information about the quality of a food product, its ingredients, and any adverse affects is valid and useful information for an informed choice. Do some people take it to extremes? Of course, but because some people take it to extremes and wish to force their prejudices upon others does not make their preferences valid. However, the information upon which they complain may well be valid. High Fructose Corn Syrup by ANALYSIS has been found to often contain high levels of Mercury, a deadly poison, yet the regulatory agencies do nothing to stop it. High Fructose Corn Syrup by valid research is increasingly found to be unhealthful taken in large amounts. MSG, Monosodium Glutamate, has by clinical study been found to cause migraines, and allergic reactions. MSG has by laboratory experiment and valid research been found to be an excito-toxin (an excito-toxin is any compound from whatever source which when ingested causes over-stimulation of nerve receptor cells to the point of stimulating them to death). Food faddists will always be with us. However, because there are food faddists does not mean there cannot be legitimate concerns about food safety and wholesomeness. If you cannot see the difference between the two then you are operating on faulty data.
"One of the least understood strategies of the world revolution now moving rapidly toward its goal is the use of mind control as a major means of obtaining the consent of the people who will be subjects of the New World Order." K.M. Heaton, The National Educator
I am willing to try consuming such products. You can already buy them. They are generally labeled organic, although that can be deceptive at times as well, which is why regulations requiring labeling are a good thing, as MSG is a naturally occurring compound in Soy. Despite the Soy fad it is increasingly becoming known that too much Soy in your diet is unhealthy, and the jury is still out on GMO Soy (approximately 85% of all Soybeans now grown in the U.S. are GMO). Given my earlier stated concerns I do not buy Soy products - with exception of a little Soy Sauce (naturally brewed and usually imported because GMO Soy is not widely grown outside the U.S. at this time). Becoming informed and alerting others to legitimate concerns is also a valid action. Just because you operate on false information is no reason for others to do so. Referring to it negatively as "complaining" is simply, in this case, a backdoor way of expressing your negative opinion unbuttressed by any factual support.
"One of the least understood strategies of the world revolution now moving rapidly toward its goal is the use of mind control as a major means of obtaining the consent of the people who will be subjects of the New World Order." K.M. Heaton, The National Educator
A very wise saying. Ruskin was nobody's fool.
"One of the least understood strategies of the world revolution now moving rapidly toward its goal is the use of mind control as a major means of obtaining the consent of the people who will be subjects of the New World Order." K.M. Heaton, The National Educator
Sadly it is one of those things you buy without knowing it. All shortening now contains soy. Unless you buy lard or the things you buy are made with lard...
"The only thing better than a Federal Reserve audit would be a Federal Reserve autopsy." ~ unknown
I don't like soy either. It's all GM now. I switched from sugar to honey as much as I could. I also avoid that HFCS. Have you noticed that many labels now state no HFCS? I saw that on the labels for immitation maple syrups. It's tedious looking at labels all the time, but necessary I think.
"The conscious and intelligent manipulation of the organized habits and opinions of the masses is an important element in democratic society. Those who manipulate this unseen mechanism of society constitute an invisible government which is the true ruling power of our country. ... We are governed, our minds are molded, our tastes formed, our ideas suggested, largely by men we have never heard of." Edward Bernays, Father of Public Relations
Agreed. Speaking of labels though and products touting their better attributes I had to laugh when the low carb craze was going on. Mayo had a 0 carb sticker on it's lid. Hey mayo is good for you, no carbs. LOL.
"The only thing better than a Federal Reserve audit would be a Federal Reserve autopsy." ~ unknown
I have a friend whose son in on dialisis. They can't have soy. She cooks at home but has to read labels. She couldn't even make him a pie because Crisco has soy in it. I'm thinking butter and lard are really the way to go. I do have a pie crust recipe that uses lard.
"The only thing better than a Federal Reserve audit would be a Federal Reserve autopsy." ~ unknown
I only use butter, no margerine. If flies won't eat, then you know that product has a serious problem. Still, I know a lot of people, even family, who continue to eat it. You can render some lard.......but it's not all that attractive to do. When I was growing up my mom was always making some lard, saving her bacon grease and deep fry oils. She was so frugal. We churned our own butter and it sure was better fresh, but much more labor intensive.
"The conscious and intelligent manipulation of the organized habits and opinions of the masses is an important element in democratic society. Those who manipulate this unseen mechanism of society constitute an invisible government which is the true ruling power of our country. ... We are governed, our minds are molded, our tastes formed, our ideas suggested, largely by men we have never heard of." Edward Bernays, Father of Public Relations
I did some of that when I was a kid too. And it is hard to beat the taste of butter you have churned yourself.
Liberty is not a means to a higher political end. It is itself the highest political end. Sadly it is one of those things you buy without knowing it. All shortening now contains soy. Unless you buy lard or the things you buy are made with lard... Spectrum Naturals makes a shortening that is made from Palm Oil and contains no Soy and no hydrogenated oils. It works real good for making Pie Crusts and Cookies. New Season's Markets sells it up here and I believe I have seen it at Whole Foods as well. Trader Joe's carried it one year but I have not checked to see if they had it this year. I have also used Earth Balance Shortening, but it is one that must be kept in the fridge. I also freeze it when I can get it cheap to thaw and use later. It works well in cookies but I have not made a Pie Crust with it. I think I am going to give it a shot though since I have a bag of Granny Smith's to use up. Lard makes the best Pie Crust but unfortunately most commercially available Lard is hydrogenated which is a no no health-wise.
"One of the least understood strategies of the world revolution now moving rapidly toward its goal is the use of mind control as a major means of obtaining the consent of the people who will be subjects of the New World Order." K.M. Heaton, The National Educator
Mexico is one place. Mexican cokes are available at some places here in Austin.
"Of all the contrivances devised for cheating the laboring classes of mankind, none has been more effective than that which deludes him with paper money"... Daniel Webster
Butter is better. Oleo is only one molecule different than plastic. You can set it on the counter and the flies won't touch it, the ants won't touch it, and it won't mold. It would probably still be good ten years after setting it out. That ought to tell us something about it. As well I can taste the difference in my baked goods. There is no substitute for real butter.
"One of the least understood strategies of the world revolution now moving rapidly toward its goal is the use of mind control as a major means of obtaining the consent of the people who will be subjects of the New World Order." K.M. Heaton, The National Educator
Jones Cola uses real cane sugar as well - it is just sometimes hard to find - and a little more expensive. I also ran into an Organic Cola, forget the name, that uses real sugar.
"One of the least understood strategies of the world revolution now moving rapidly toward its goal is the use of mind control as a major means of obtaining the consent of the people who will be subjects of the New World Order." K.M. Heaton, The National Educator
I agree. Why use phony butter and sugar when the real stuff is not that much more money and is surely better for you? Not saying that it/they would qualify as health food(s) but the real deal is surely better for you than the artificial crap they would rather sell you because it costs them almost nothing to produce.
Liberty is not a means to a higher political end. It is itself the highest political end. Never heard of Jones Cola. Does it taste like real Coke (with sugar I mean)?
Liberty is not a means to a higher political end. It is itself the highest political end. Ain't nothing like the real thing........ Butter was beaten down in advertising. Unlike the egg, that has been beaten (lol..just before post I realize this funny pun) time and time again, but seems to rebound remarkably well, butter never regained its status on toast or anything else.
"The conscious and intelligent manipulation of the organized habits and opinions of the masses is an important element in democratic society. Those who manipulate this unseen mechanism of society constitute an invisible government which is the true ruling power of our country. ... We are governed, our minds are molded, our tastes formed, our ideas suggested, largely by men we have never heard of." Edward Bernays, Father of Public Relations
Your right on this one. :)
Error of opinion may be tolerated where reason is left free to combat it - Thomas Jefferson
Never heard of Jones Cola. Does it taste like real Coke (with sugar I mean)? It is probably closer to Coke than Pepsi. I'm a Pepsi drinker so it is not entirely to my preference, but I find it an acceptable substitute. It is definitely a real cola though.
"One of the least understood strategies of the world revolution now moving rapidly toward its goal is the use of mind control as a major means of obtaining the consent of the people who will be subjects of the New World Order." K.M. Heaton, The National Educator
Ain't nothing like the real thing........ Butter was beaten down in advertising. Unlike the egg, that has been beaten (lol..just before post I realize this funny pun) time and time again, but seems to rebound remarkably well, butter never regained its status on toast or anything else. One of the problems was that phony data was used to denigrate Butter and establish a preference for that yella' plastic crap. However, now that we understand fats better we now know that butter fat is healthier than margarine. Just like we now know that Chocolate is a Health Food. ;-) One positive out of the assault on butter was the price went down. Since I never stopped eating real butter I appreciated that.
"One of the least understood strategies of the world revolution now moving rapidly toward its goal is the use of mind control as a major means of obtaining the consent of the people who will be subjects of the New World Order." K.M. Heaton, The National Educator
I don't use it a lot but, given the choice, I will take butter over margarine every time.
Liberty is not a means to a higher political end. It is itself the highest political end. I think it is good that some manufacturers have seen the light. And if enough consumers will purchase their products the other manufacturers will see the light when they feel the heat.
Liberty is not a means to a higher political end. It is itself the highest political end. It must be left over from last Easter/Passover. You probably know that they started producing a sugar version of Coke/Mountain Dew/etc. a few years ago because some branch of Judaism decided it was only kosher to consume soft drinks with real sugar over Passover. So the distributors did limited runs for Passover (apparently, it is kosher to consume HFCS the rest of the year). I was still able to buy some Mountain Dew and Pepsi made with cane sugar this summer but it was the leftovers from last Passover and was starting to lose its fizz even then due to the use of plastic bottles instead of glass.
Lord Acton
#2. To: James Deffenbach, christine, farmfriend, TwentyTwelve, wudidiz, all (#1)
#3. To: Original_Intent (#2)
I avoid HFCS like the plague.
Lord Acton
#4. To: Original_Intent (#2)
I avoid HFCS like the plague. Unfortunately I am a Pepsi drinker and there are no good inexpensive, and readily available, colas that use real sugar as opposed to HFCS.
#5. To: Original_Intent (#2)
I avoid HFCS like the plague. Unfortunately I am a Pepsi drinker and there are no good inexpensive, and readily available, colas that use real sugar as opposed to HFCS.
#6. To: James Deffenbach, christine (#1)
#7. To: farmfriend (#5)
I avoid HFCS like the plague. Unfortunately I am a Pepsi drinker and there are no good inexpensive, and readily available, colas that use real sugar as opposed to HFCS.
#8. To: PnbC (#6)
Remember the "New" Coke vs "Classic" Coke? It was all just a ruse to change the recipe from sugar to corn syrup. In order to do so, Coke had to take the "Classic" off the market long enough for people not to notice the change in taste when they brought it back a few months later.
Lord Acton
#9. To: PaulCJ, christine, farmfriend, abraxas, CadetD, all (#4)
Read between the lines. If those who created the top article had their way, they would ban cola, candy, red meat, eggs and nearly everything else.
That one has not changed in over 2,000 years.
#10. To: Original_Intent (#9)
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There are real food issues and their are fad food issues.
#11. To: Original_Intent, christine, farmfriend, abraxas, CadetD, (#9)
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#12. To: Original_Intent (#9)
"There is nothing in the world that some man cannot make a little worse and sell a little cheaper, and he who considers price only is that man's lawful prey."
Lord Acton
#13. To: PaulCJ (#10)
#14. To: PaulCJ, christine, farmfriend, abraxas, CadetD, (#11)
Folks, instead of complaining. Start a company that sells non-MSG, non-fructose colas and other drink and food products.
#15. To: James Deffenbach (#12)
"There is nothing in the world that some man cannot make a little worse and sell a little cheaper, and he who considers price only is that man's lawful prey."
#16. To: Original_Intent, PaulCJ, christine, abraxas, CadetD, (#14)
Given my earlier stated concerns I do not buy Soy products
#17. To: farmfriend (#16)
Given my earlier stated concerns I do not buy Soy products Sadly it is one of those things you buy without knowing it. All shortening now contains soy. Unless you buy lard or the things you buy are made with lard
#18. To: abraxas (#17)
It's tedious looking at labels all the time, but necessary I think.
#19. To: abraxas, Original_Intent (#17)
#20. To: farmfriend, Original_Intent (#19)
I'm thinking butter and lard are really the way to go. I do have a pie crust recipe that uses lard.
#21. To: abraxas (#20)
We churned our own butter
Lord Acton
#22. To: farmfriend, PaulCJ, christine, abraxas, CadetD, (#16)
Given my earlier stated concerns I do not buy Soy products
#23. To: James Deffenbach (#1)
There ARE places in the world where they use real sugar in Cokes and they taste like they did years ago when they were actually tasty.
#24. To: abraxas (#20)
I only use butter, no margerine. If flies won't eat, then you know that product has a serious problem. Still, I know a lot of people, even family, who continue to eat it.
#25. To: christine, James Deffenbach, farmfriend (#23)
#26. To: Original_Intent (#24)
There is no substitute for real butter.
Lord Acton
#27. To: Original_Intent (#25)
Jones Cola uses real cane sugar as well - it is just sometimes hard to find - and a little more expensive. I also ran into an Organic Cola, forget the name, that uses real sugar.
Lord Acton
#28. To: James Deffenbach, Original_Intent (#26)
There is no substitute for real butter. I agree. Why use phony butter and sugar when the real stuff is not that much more money and is surely better for you?
#29. To: abraxas (#28)
Ain't nothing like the real thing........
#30. To: James Deffenbach (#27)
Jones Cola uses real cane sugar as well - it is just sometimes hard to find - and a little more expensive. I also ran into an Organic Cola, forget the name, that uses real sugar.
#31. To: abraxas, James Deffenbach (#28)
There is no substitute for real butter. I agree. Why use phony butter and sugar when the real stuff is not that much more money and is surely better for you?
#32. To: abraxas (#28)
Butter was beaten down in advertising. Unlike the egg, that has been beaten (lol..just before post I realize this funny pun) time and time again, but seems to rebound remarkably well, butter never regained its status on toast or anything else.
Lord Acton
#33. To: Original_Intent (#30)
It is probably closer to Coke than Pepsi. I'm a Pepsi drinker so it is not entirely to my preference, but I find it an acceptable substitute. It is definitely a real cola though.
Lord Acton
#34. To: farmfriend (#5)
They are getting there though. I have seen Coke with real sugar at multiple places and the other day I saw Pepsi with real sugar at Safeway. Said it was limited time though. I think they are testing the market. If it is still there I'm going to buy some to encourage production.
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