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Title: When Will Israel Assassinate Barack Obama?
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URL Source: http://www.daily.pk/when-will-israel-assassinate-barack-obama-13755/
Published: Jan 5, 2010
Author: Jeff Gates
Post Date: 2010-01-05 10:40:42 by christine
Keywords: None
Views: 967
Comments: 111

Below is the fifth installment in a 6-part series written for Opinion Maker by Jeff Gates, author of Guilt By Association.

To assassinate an American president with impunity requires pre-staging. For Israel to succeed would require an Evil Doer on whom the deed could plausibly be blamed. The emerging fact patterns suggest that such pre-staging is well underway and that a Pakistani could be the perceived culprit. The recent history of Evil Doer branding offers insight into what to expect.

Over the course of several years, Saddam Hussein, a brutal tyrant, morphed from a loyal and valued U.S. ally to the leader of a state portrayed as a member of the Axis of Evil ready and able to deploy weapons of mass destruction on a moment’s notice. Though that depiction was a lie; a plausible lie sufficed in the creation of a credible Evil Doer to help justify the invasion of Iraq.

Similarly, the Taliban in all its many forms have long been religious fundamentalists with an intolerant streak exceeded only by their ferocity in defense of their severe version of Islam. During the Soviet occupation of Afghanistan, they were celebrated as the fierce Mujahideen and heralded as heroic freedom fighters by President Ronald Reagan.

In the run-up to the provocation of 9-11, that positive “branding” abruptly changed when, six months prior to that mass murder, Afghanistan’s ancient Buddhas at Bamiyan were destroyed. When the Taliban took responsibility, they were rebranded worldwide as certifiably evil for what mainstream media portrayed as a “cultural holocaust.” When staging such power-of-association operations, timing is everything. By 9-11, the Taliban were seen as world-class Evil Doers.

A similar pre-staging is underway in the U.S as manipulated impressions become the mental building blocks to create a plausible culprit from an Islamic nation. Keep in mind that repeated reports of Iraqi WMD created a generally accepted “consensus” truth—regardless of the facts.

In a similar fashion, oft-repeated reports of the threat of Iranian WMD have steadily created the impression of a nuclear weapons capability with no basis in fact. But facts are not the point when pre-staging an Evil Doer. The point is what a targeted population can be induced to believe.

Five Muslim students in the U.S. traveled to Pakistan in mid-December, setting off a flurry of reports about the threat of “homegrown terrorism.” Every report mentioned the recent shootings at Fort Hood, Texas by a Muslim psychiatrist. A series of other incidents helped enhance the plausibility of a violent event traceable to the requisite Islamic Evil Doer.

The Justice Department announced this month that the trial of a 9-11 suspect will be held in Manhattan, with a second trial in nearby Brooklyn. In explaining the projected $150 million cost, local officials likened the extensive security to what is required for a New Year’s Eve celebration—only lasting for months. These trials are akin to a high profile publicity campaign certain to keep Americans on edge while enhancing the plausibility of “Islamic” violence.

Insecurity, Plausibility & Accessibility

Yet how could an assassin reach the most closely guarded president of modern times? The plausibility of a security breach has already been pre-staged. At the first state dinner by Obama, two aspiring contestants for a reality television show foiled White House security to come within handshake distance of the president. Though no one has yet conceded how that could have happened, both the president and the First Lady have an Ashkenazi chief of staff.

Bodyguards were protecting Israeli Prime Minister Yitzhak Rabin when in November 1995 a Likud Party member shot him at close range. Assassin Yigal Amir invoked a concept from ultra-orthodox Judaism to justify his murder of Rabin as a threat to Jews living in the settlements. Likud Party leader Benjamin Netanyahu led a series of rallies that Rabin described as provoking violence. Netanyahu was elected Prime Minister in June 1996 and immediately sought to inhibit implementation of the Oslo land-for-peace process agreed to by Rabin.

That same year, Richard Perle led a Jewish-American team to prepare for Netanyahu a new policy titled A Clean Break: A New Strategy for Securing the Realm (i.e., Israel). Then a member of the U.S. Defense Policy Board, Perle became its chairman in 2001. The central theme of A Clean Break: Israel should halt the return of Palestinian land and instead pursue an aggressive strategy that included as a priority the removal of Iraqi leader Saddam Hussein.

Should pro-Israeli extremists detect an inclination by Barack Obama to endorse a return of Palestinian land to the Palestinians, the likelihood of his assassination will greatly increase. For his death to appear plausibly due to an Islamic source requires pre-staging akin to what is now ongoing. To displace facts with what the public can be induced to believe requires a period of mental preparation in order to make misdirection believable.

In July 2006, for instance, authors Jim Gilchrist and Jerome Corsi published Minutemen claiming that Hezbollah terrorists are sneaking across the Mexican border and plotting another 9-11. Minutemen was launched at Ground Zero, the site of the 9-11 attack, 14 days after Israel invaded Lebanon—in pursuit of Hezbollah. Had the U.S. suffered another attack, Iran-backed Hezbollah would have been the perceived culprit, providing a plausible rationale attack Iran.

Corsi remains a prolific source of prepare-the-minds publications, including Atomic Iran released in early 2005 and calling for either the U.S. or Israel to preemptively bomb the “mad mullahs of Iran.” His latest release is The Obama Nation. With a first print run of 475,000, his attack on the presidential contender immediately topped The New York Times nonfiction bestseller list. Should Obama be murdered, Corsi’s book will provide an incremental component of plausibility that the assassin was opposed not to his changed policies on Israel but to his “socialism.”

An Agenda in Need of a Crisis

Other recent incidents enhance the plausibility that an assassin could enter the U.S. from abroad. Homeland Security conceded this month that a sensitive transportation security screening manual was posted on the Internet. The ordering of more troops to Afghanistan enhances the plausibility that extremists will be driven across the border into Pakistan, only to travel from there to the U.S.

Obama’s Nobel Prize associated him with peace laureate Martin Luther King Jr. Were Obama also to die at the hands of an assassin, his “brand” has now been sufficiently enhanced that he would become an iconic figure. If Zionist extremists fail to provoke a crisis in the Middle East or South Asia, the murder of America’s first Black president would suffice as an attention-diverting crisis—particularly if those who produced his candidacy use his death to catalyze hatred between whites and blacks in the same way that they now market hatred for Muslims.

So long as Barack Obama continues to serve Israeli interests, he will continue to live a charmed life. Should he hint that justice—say for the Palestinians—is a worthy goal, the pre-staging is in place to eliminate that threat. Likewise should he seek to shut down the ongoing oligarch-ization of America and the steady piling on of disabling debt.

Should his death provoke race riots, the Department of Homeland Security is prepared to protect the agent provocateurs—under the guise of defending the perpetrators from anti-Semitism.

Would Israel assassinate a U.S. president? What kind of world would we now inhabit if Senator William Fulbright and Attorney General Robert Kennedy had succeeded in 1962 in forcing the Israel Lobby to register as a foreign agent? How would the world be different if John F. Kennedy had succeeded in 1963 in forcing international inspections of Israel’s nuclear facility?

When Robert Kennedy announced for the presidency in 1968, Tel Aviv did not know if he would revive JFK’s campaign to prevent Israel from igniting a nuclear arms race in the Middle East. Nor did anyone know if he and Fulbright would again seek transparency for Israeli operations disguised as domestic lobbying.

When RFK was murdered in June 1968, the gunman was Palestinian. That lesson should not be lost on Pakistan. In dealing with Washington, Islamabad should also recall Senator Fulbright’s candid assessment in 1973: “Israel controls the U.S. Senate.” He was gone by 1974, twenty-five influence-imbedding years ago. J Gates

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#58. To: christine (#0)

For Israel to succeed would require an Evil Doer on whom the deed could plausibly be blamed. The emerging fact patterns suggest that such pre-staging is well underway and that a Pakistani could be the perceived culprit. The recent history of Evil Doer branding offers insight into what to expect.

"Evil Doer?" More like a national hero.

Liberty is not a means to a higher political end. It is itself the highest political end.
Lord Acton

James Deffenbach  posted on  2010-01-05   13:48:21 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#59. To: A K A Stone (#49)

I don't think they need our help and can defend themselves just fine if need be.

And because Israel can defend itself "just fine," that's why it maintains an arsenal of 200+ nukes - the Samson Option threat/blackmail of the USA - to take the world down with it when Israel's neighbors over run it, which would most certainly happen. Israel can't stand on its own. It's own people don't even want to do compulsory military service and yet you believe these same Israelis would defend Israel? Ha! They'd be on the first El Al flights out of Israel to NYC and LA to join their IsraelFirster American cousins hiding under their beds. Give me a break.

scrapper2  posted on  2010-01-05   13:54:37 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#60. To: A K A Stone (#5) (Edited)

Jews who are in favor of abortion are evil. Not all Jews are good. But they are not all bad either.

Surprised??

A. The Rupture is a heresy (it ain't going to happen) and is not mentioned anywhere in the Bible either old or new Testament. It is a creation in whole cloth by a semi-literate cretin for Lord only knows what motivation beyond his own temporal enrichment and power.

B. Being Chosen does not mean spiritually perfect or perfected it means that at one time SOME Jews were lifted up to be taught, they rejected the teachings, as Moses said at the time he returned from the Mount.

C. The New Testament superseded the Old Testament and that elder covenant and established a NEW covenant. Therefore the elder covenant is null and void thus the Jews were from that time forward no longer "the Chosen". This is also supported by Orthodox Rabbi's, true to the Torah (although not accepting Jesus as The Messiah) - which is God's Law as opposed to the Talmud which is man's perversion of that law. If one follows Orthodox Judaism then Israel is illegimate and a bastardization of God's will and decree.

You may engage in whatever sophistry you desire but the truth remains true.

"One of the least understood strategies of the world revolution now moving rapidly toward its goal is the use of mind control as a major means of obtaining the consent of the people who will be subjects of the New World Order." K.M. Heaton, The National Educator

Original_Intent  posted on  2010-01-05   13:56:29 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#61. To: christine (#0)

Two qoutes from Thomas Jefferson.

History, I believe, furnishes no example of a priest-ridden people maintaining a free civil government. This marks the lowest grade of ignorance of which their civil as well as religious leaders will always avail themselves for their own purposes (Letter to von Humboldt, 1813).

In every country and in every age, the priest has been hostile to liberty. He is always in alliance with the despot, abetting his abuses in return for protection to his own (Letter to H. Spafford, 1814).

"What country can preserve its liberties if its rulers are not warned from time to time that its people preserve the spirit of resistance? Let them take arms....The tree of liberty must be refreshed from time to time with the blood of patriots and tyrants." Thomas Jefferson

phantom patriot  posted on  2010-01-05   13:57:49 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#62. To: Original_Intent (#60)

You may engage in whatever sophistry you desire but the truth remains true.

I agree.

Personally, I want to see a note signed by God saying he gave anything to anyone.

History says any country can exist as long as they are able to do so by force of arms.

Cynicom  posted on  2010-01-05   14:00:57 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#63. To: noone222 (#57)

I think Israel has a right to exist

On what grounds?

===========

Touché !

Thank you. To drive the point home, in a nutshell....

Joshua 23:14 And, behold, this day I am going the way of all the earth: and ye know in all your hearts and in all your souls, that not one thing hath failed of all the good things which the LORD your God spake concerning you; all are come to pass unto you, and not one thing hath failed thereof. 15 Therefore it shall come to pass, that as all good things are come upon you, which the LORD your God promised you; so shall the LORD bring upon you all evil things, until he have destroyed you from off this good land which the LORD your God hath given you. 16 When ye have transgressed the covenant of the LORD your God, which he commanded you, and have gone and served other gods, and bowed yourselves to them; then shall the anger of the LORD be kindled against you, and ye shall perish quickly from off the good land which he hath given unto you.

bible.cc/joshua/23-15.htm

Matthew 21:43 Therefore say I unto you, The kingdom of God shall be taken from you, and given to a nation bringing forth the fruits thereof.
bible.cc/matthew/21-43.htm

Matthew 21:19 And when he saw a fig tree in the way, he came to it, and found nothing thereon, but leaves only, and said unto it, Let no fruit grow on thee henceforward for ever. And presently the fig tree withered away.

"....Let no fruit grow on thee henceforward for ever. Peter calls this a cursing. It was doomed to death and withered. On the next morning (Tuesday) it was dried up from the roots (Mr 11:21,20). It was a parable in action, illustrating how the fruitless Jewish nation should wither away. It had leaves, but no fruit......"

bible.cc/matthew/21-19.htm

Dear Lord, how many more people have to die due to Jewish fables?

"...as long as there..remain active enemies of the Christian church, we may hope to become Master of the World...the future Jewish King will never reign in the world before Christianity is overthrown - B'nai B'rith speech http://www.biblebelievers.org.au/luther.htm / http://bible.cc/psalms/83-4.htm

AllTheKings'HorsesWontDoIt  posted on  2010-01-05   14:02:20 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#64. To: A K A Stone (#63) (Edited)

btw:

Joshua 23:14 And, behold, this day I am going the way of all the earth: and ye know in all your hearts and in all your souls, that not one thing hath failed of all the good things which the LORD your God spake concerning you; all are come to pass unto you, and not one thing hath failed thereof. 15 Therefore it shall come to pass, that as all good things are come upon you, which the LORD your God promised you; so shall the LORD bring upon you all evil things, until he have destroyed you from off this good land which the LORD your God hath given you. 16 When ye have transgressed the covenant of the LORD your God, which he commanded you, and have gone and served other gods, and bowed yourselves to them; then shall the anger of the LORD be kindled against you, and ye shall perish quickly from off the good land which he hath given unto you.

This could be why the so-called Torah generally only contains the first five books of the Bible: Genesis, Exodus, Leviticus, Numbers, and Deuteronomy. After that, the sages rule [edit...or rather, pick up where the Bible leaves off, but the word of the sages is superior to the word of God, and the Bible must be interpreted through the "wisdom" of the sages, according to the Talmud. They must have had this problem for a long time. bible.cc/isaiah/65-5.htm ]. As for Joshua, a type of Jesus who led them into the promised land.....

"... Outline of Biblical Usage

Joshua or Jehoshua = "Jehovah is salvation"

n pr m

1) son of Nun of the tribe of Ephraim and successor to Moses as the leader of the children of Israel; led the conquest of Canaan....."

....let's just forget that ol' boy and his dour prophecies ever existed, shall we?

"...as long as there..remain active enemies of the Christian church, we may hope to become Master of the World...the future Jewish King will never reign in the world before Christianity is overthrown - B'nai B'rith speech http://www.biblebelievers.org.au/luther.htm / http://bible.cc/psalms/83-4.htm

AllTheKings'HorsesWontDoIt  posted on  2010-01-05   14:37:38 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#65. To: A K A Stone (#43)

The Bible is the holy book of the Jews and for that matter the rest of mankind.

LOL...ahhh, the smell of fresh ignorance in the afternoon.


"If you love wealth more than liberty, the tranquility of servitude better than the animating contest of freedom, depart from us in peace. We ask not your counsel nor your arms. Crouch down and lick the hand that feeds you. May your chains rest lightly upon you and may posterity forget that you were our countrymen.”—Samuel Adams

Rotara  posted on  2010-01-05   15:19:12 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#66. To: AllTheKings'HorsesWontDoIt (#64)

chris, i appreciate your contributions to this thread even if it goes ignored by the person to whom you addressed it.

christine  posted on  2010-01-05   15:40:01 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#67. To: Rotara (#65)

LOL...ahhh, the smell of fresh ignorance in the afternoon.

Well, I give you A+ for that one.

Very original, fitting, and most graceful use of the English language.

Cynicom  posted on  2010-01-05   15:42:24 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#68. To: christine (#0)

36 years ago that is.

Is there any place on earth that isn't controlled by Jews?

It is better to be hated for what you are, than loved for what you are not. - Tommy The Mad Artist.

TommyTheMadArtist  posted on  2010-01-05   15:51:57 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#69. To: christine (#66)

thank you, christine. i appreciate that. maybe he isn't ignoring it, but reading and contemplating it? one can hope.

"...as long as there..remain active enemies of the Christian church, we may hope to become Master of the World...the future Jewish King will never reign in the world before Christianity is overthrown - B'nai B'rith speech http://www.biblebelievers.org.au/luther.htm / http://bible.cc/psalms/83-4.htm

AllTheKings'HorsesWontDoIt  posted on  2010-01-05   16:19:21 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#70. To: Original_Intent (#60)

C. The New Testament superseded the Old Testament and that elder covenant and established a NEW covenant. Therefore the elder covenant is null and void thus the Jews were from that time forward no longer "the Chosen".

Your first two points are fine. But this point is incorrect.

Error of opinion may be tolerated where reason is left free to combat it - Thomas Jefferson

A K A Stone  posted on  2010-01-05   18:07:08 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#71. To: AllTheKings'HorsesWontDoIt (#64)

Your a good guy. But Jesus himself said he would never abandon the Jews. He also said he didn't come to destroy the law.

Error of opinion may be tolerated where reason is left free to combat it - Thomas Jefferson

A K A Stone  posted on  2010-01-05   18:08:20 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#72. To: Rotara (#65)

LOL...ahhh, the smell of fresh ignorance in the afternoon.

It is the Book given by God. It is supposed to be everyones book. Some people willingly reject it. The fools of the planet.

Error of opinion may be tolerated where reason is left free to combat it - Thomas Jefferson

A K A Stone  posted on  2010-01-05   18:09:36 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#73. To: Jethro Tull (#36)

You can research it from now until next Christmas, but if you're honest, the answer will be the Jews in congress are leftists, pro abortion, pigs. Not one is an American, but do try and prove me wrong.

Eric Cantor pro life Jew.

Are you in denial?

Error of opinion may be tolerated where reason is left free to combat it - Thomas Jefferson

A K A Stone  posted on  2010-01-05   18:12:08 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#74. To: A K A Stone (#73)

HERE

Watch what the hebes do, Stone, not what they say.

House Minority Whip Rep. Eric Cantor (R-VA), another staunch opponent of reproductive rights, also provides Carefirst Blue Cross Blue Shield coverage to his campaign employees.

Both Gingrich and Cantor's office have not responded to calls from ThinkProgress inquiring if either employer has canceled elective abortion coverage on their insurance coverage.

Jethro Tull  posted on  2010-01-05   18:31:05 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#75. To: Jethro Tull (#74)

Watch what the hebes do, Stone, not what they say.

His votes defend life.

I don't know what the rules are considering health coverage. I would like to see it eliminated as an option in health care. I mean it isn't health care.

I would also like to see fake abortion clinics set up across the country. Then when the woman came for an abortion. She would in effect have admitted to attempted murder. She would be strapped down until she delivers the baby. Then executed afterward for attempted murder. ;)

Error of opinion may be tolerated where reason is left free to combat it - Thomas Jefferson

A K A Stone  posted on  2010-01-05   18:34:27 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#76. To: A K A Stone (#75)

Just another Jew fraud.

Friday, November 13, 2009

Cantor Provides Elective Abortion Coverage to His Employees

Hypocrisy alert! Hypocrisy alert!
... According to its website, standard Carefirst Blue Cross Blue Shield policies cover elective abortions unless the employer specifically opts out.

House Minority Whip Rep. Eric Cantor (R-VA), another staunch opponent of reproductive rights, also provides Carefirst Blue Cross Blue Shield coverage to his campaign employees.

Both Gingrich and Cantor57;s office have not responded to calls from ThinkProgress inquiring if either employer has canceled elective abortion coverage on their insurance coverage.
So, let's see, the RNC provides health insurance (update: or did, until the story broke - lol) that covers elective abortions to its employees, as do "many anti- choice conservative leaders." So, are they all going to drop this coverage immediately or what? Hello? Guys?

Jethro Tull  posted on  2010-01-05   18:37:38 ET  (1 image) Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#77. To: Jethro Tull (#76)

From your source.

Look — even if an organization “opts out” of abortion coverage from their health insurance provider, their premiums still go to a corporation who provides abortion coverage for their insureds who “opt in”.

The only way they can keep their premium money completely untainted is if they find a health insurance company who provides no coverage for abortion services at all, to anyone.

And how many of those are there? Face it — there’s always a chance that your premium money could be used to pay for somebody’s abortion. Just as the money you spend putting gas in your Prius could be used to pay for a lobbyist to argue against fuel efficiency in vehicles.

For that reason, it really doesn’t matter if you opt out of abortion coverage.

Error of opinion may be tolerated where reason is left free to combat it - Thomas Jefferson

A K A Stone  posted on  2010-01-05   18:39:48 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#78. To: Rotara (#65)

LOL...ahhh, the smell of fresh ignorance in the afternoon.

Yessssssss!

Doing what's right isn't always easy but it's always right.

noone222  posted on  2010-01-05   18:41:46 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#79. To: christine (#0)

They aren't going to kill Chuckles The Wonder Chimp.

His FAILURE as a leader will not only make more money for the Israelis, but ensure that the next election cycle puts Israel Firster Republicans in power, who will zealously defend Israel by sending our young generation to die in their blasphemous name.

The sheer scope of this fraud, sickens me.

It is better to be hated for what you are, than loved for what you are not. - Tommy The Mad Artist.

TommyTheMadArtist  posted on  2010-01-05   18:42:30 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#80. To: AllTheKings'HorsesWontDoIt (#63)

Let no fruit grow

Speaking of fruit ... is it possible to conceive that Jesus came from the same "tree" as Abe Foxman, Richard Perle, Paul Wolfowitz, Alan Greenscum, Barney Fag, Barbara Boxer, Diane Feinstein, Chuckie Schumer, et al., ... I think not.

Doing what's right isn't always easy but it's always right.

noone222  posted on  2010-01-05   18:46:34 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#81. To: Cynicom (#67)

Well, I give you A+ for that one.

Very original, fitting, and most graceful use of the English language.

that made me laugh.

christine  posted on  2010-01-05   18:55:35 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#82. To: A K A Stone (#77)

For that reason, it really doesn’t matter if you opt out of abortion coverage.

OK, Cantor is an abortion enabler for providing insurance and the other Jews in congress are simply evil.

Whatever.

Will you agree the pro abortion Jews are evil, and can you say that?

Jethro Tull  posted on  2010-01-05   19:17:58 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#83. To: Jethro Tull (#82)

OK, Cantor is an abortion enabler for providing insurance and the other Jews in congress are simply evil.

Whatever.

Will you agree the pro abortion Jews are evil, and can you say that?

Pro abortion Jews are evil. Evil. I mean being for killing babies. Come on that isn't right. They should have their eyes burnt out like Samson.

Ok now that I got that out of the way.

Are there health plans that don't offer abortion? I would hope that there are but I don't really know. Do you?

On Cantor and Republicans offering abortion coverage. They shouldn't do that if at all possible. I mean they don't have the votes to force the issue or anything.

Error of opinion may be tolerated where reason is left free to combat it - Thomas Jefferson

A K A Stone  posted on  2010-01-05   20:32:47 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#84. To: A K A Stone (#83)

A+ for candor, Stone.

Now can we talk about how the freak did those efficient Germans decide to use pizza ovens and gas showers to liquidate people?

I mean a back hoe and one shot to the head is efficient.

Jethro Tull  posted on  2010-01-05   20:41:03 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#85. To: Jethro Tull (#84)

Now can we talk about how the freak did those efficient Germans decide to use pizza ovens and gas showers to liquidate people?

I mean a back hoe and one shot to the head is efficient.

So you don't think any Jews were put in gas chambers?

Error of opinion may be tolerated where reason is left free to combat it - Thomas Jefferson

A K A Stone  posted on  2010-01-05   20:46:02 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#86. To: A K A Stone (#85)

Have you ever thought of the amount of physical labor it would take to drag each body out of a gas chamber (no doubt stacked on top of each other and in a soiled condition) and then cart them off for burial?

Germans were known for their efficiency, no?

Jethro Tull  posted on  2010-01-05   20:52:13 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#87. To: Jethro Tull (#86)

Have you ever thought of the amount of physical labor it would take to drag each body out of a gas chamber (no doubt stacked on top of each other and in a soiled condition) and then cart them off for burial?

Germans were known for their efficiency, no?

Yes it was possible. It happened.

Error of opinion may be tolerated where reason is left free to combat it - Thomas Jefferson

A K A Stone  posted on  2010-01-05   20:57:55 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#88. To: A K A Stone (#87)

Who removed the dead?

Jethro Tull  posted on  2010-01-05   21:02:24 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#89. To: Jethro Tull (#88)

Probablhy nazis and nazi prisoners.

Error of opinion may be tolerated where reason is left free to combat it - Thomas Jefferson

A K A Stone  posted on  2010-01-05   21:07:45 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#90. To: A K A Stone (#89)

So rather than use Jewish labor, the Nazi's used Nazi labor?

Jethro Tull  posted on  2010-01-05   21:09:32 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#91. To: Jethro Tull (#90)

If 1000 people were working on moving bodies.

Say each person moved only 50 bodies a day. It would take 120 days to move 6 million bodies. Completely feasible.

Error of opinion may be tolerated where reason is left free to combat it - Thomas Jefferson

A K A Stone  posted on  2010-01-05   21:14:31 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#92. To: All (#91)

If they had 2000 workers moving bodies at the rate of 50 bodies per day each. It would only take 2 months.

Error of opinion may be tolerated where reason is left free to combat it - Thomas Jefferson

A K A Stone  posted on  2010-01-05   21:15:32 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#93. To: esso, noone222 (#92)

If they had 4000 workers they could get it all done in 1 month. At 50 bodies per person per day.

They would have had lots of time to play checkers or twiddle their thumbs in their spare time.

Error of opinion may be tolerated where reason is left free to combat it - Thomas Jefferson

A K A Stone  posted on  2010-01-05   21:17:16 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#94. To: All (#93)

Say they only could move 25 bodies each per day. Even a wuss could do that. It would take 4000 workers 2 months to move 6 million bodies. They wouldn't even have to be efficient. They would still have time to twiddle their thumbs, play checkers or even get some games of chess in.

Error of opinion may be tolerated where reason is left free to combat it - Thomas Jefferson

A K A Stone  posted on  2010-01-05   21:19:34 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#95. To: A K A Stone (#92)

If they had 2000 workers moving bodies at the rate of 50 bodies per day each. It would only take 2 months.

Sounds simple, but you have to feed those 2000 workers, provide waste facilities, fuel, horses, food for the horses...

In 2007, the FBI reported on concern about white supremacists recruiting soldiers, saying "hundreds" of neo-Nazis were in the active military. But in April, a Department of Homeland Security report on extremism that reiterated much the same point was widely criticized by veterans groups and some conservative politicians as being unpatriotic, leading the Justice Department to retract the DHS report.

Critics acknowledge that extremism in the Army is a touchy political subject.

Dakmar  posted on  2010-01-05   21:24:45 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#96. To: Dakmar (#95)

Not to mention the 2,000 space suits you'd need to keep from killing yourself handling cyanide-saturated bodies.

Godfrey Smith: Mike, I wouldn't worry. Prosperity is just around the corner.
Mike Flaherty: Yeah, it's been there a long time. I wish I knew which corner.
My Man Godfrey (1936)

Esso  posted on  2010-01-05   21:29:25 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#97. To: A K A Stone (#94)

Say they only could move 25 bodies each per day. Even a wuss could do that. It would take 4000 workers 2 months to move 6 million bodies. They wouldn't even have to be efficient. They would still have time to twiddle their thumbs, play checkers or even get some games of chess in.

It's not too late for you, we the Cambodian Peoples Salvation Committee will pay you like two bucks a pop if we get first publishing rights to that sort of insight.

In 2007, the FBI reported on concern about white supremacists recruiting soldiers, saying "hundreds" of neo-Nazis were in the active military. But in April, a Department of Homeland Security report on extremism that reiterated much the same point was widely criticized by veterans groups and some conservative politicians as being unpatriotic, leading the Justice Department to retract the DHS report.

Critics acknowledge that extremism in the Army is a touchy political subject.

Dakmar  posted on  2010-01-05   21:31:29 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#98. To: A K A Stone (#91)

If you were contracted to paint a house and showed up with a 4" brush from K-Mart as your only tool, well, the efficiency you just described is similar. Regardless of what you think of Nazi's, they were rather efficient. That said....I asked was Nazi labor used in place of Jewish labor?

Jethro Tull  posted on  2010-01-05   21:35:29 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  



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