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Published: Jan 6, 2010
Author: David Swanson
Post Date: 2010-01-06 01:55:20 by Horse
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The occupied government of Afghanistan and the United Nations have both concluded that U.S.-led troops recently dragged eight sleeping children out of their beds, handcuffed some of them, and shot them all dead. While this apparently constitutes an everyday act of kindness, far less intriguing than the vicious singeing of his pubic hairs by Captain Underpants, it is at least a variation on the ordinary American technique of murdering men, women, and children by the dozens with unmanned drones. Also this week in Afghanistan, eight CIA assassins (see if you can find a more appropriate name for them) were murdered by a suicide bombing that one of them apparently executed against the other seven. The Taliban in Pakistan claims credit and describes the mass-murder as revenge for the CIA's drone killings. And we thought unmanned drones were War Perfected because none of the right people would have to risk their lives. Oops. Perhaps Detroit-bound passengers risked theirs unwittingly. The CIA has declared its intention to seek revenge for the suicide strike. Who knows what the assassination of sleeping students was revenge for. Perhaps the next lunatic to try blowing up something in the United States will be seeking revenge for whatever Obama does to avenge the victims (television viewers?) of the Crotch Crusader. Certainly there will be numerous more acts of violence driven by longings for revenge against the drone pilots and the shooters of students. In a civilized world, the alternative to vengeance is justice. Often we can even set aside feelings of revenge as long as we are able to act so as to deter more crime. But at the same time that the puppet president of Afghanistan is demanding the arrest of the troops who shot the handcuffed children, the puppet government of Iraq is facing up to the refusal of the United States to seriously prosecute the Blackwater assassins of innocent Iraqis. Justice will not be permitted as an alternative to vengeance -- the mere idea is anti-American. No one so much as blinks at the CIA's avowal of vengeance for the recent suicide attack, never mind the illegality, because the entire illegal war on Afghanistan/Pakistan was launched and is still maintained as a pretended act of revenge for the crimes of 9-11. Of course, we're not bombing the flight schools or the German and Spanish hotels. Of course , we admit that there are fewer than 100 members of Al Qaeda in Afghanistan. Of course we openly seek massive permanent bases and an oil pipeline. Of course, Obama's decisions are all electoral calculations computed by the calculus of cowardice. Of course, we're prosecuting the Butt Bomber as a criminal, just as we always used to prosecute criminals as criminals. Of course, revenge would not be a legal justification for war even if we could persuade ourselves it was a sane one. But the war is publicly understood as revenge, the resistance by its victims is understood as revenge, the escalation is understood as revenge for the resistance, and an eye for an eye slowly makes the whole world blind. But here's what we've forgotten: nothing is ever remotely as horrible as war. So, nothing can ever constitute a justification for launching or escalating or continuing a war. Dragging children out of bed and killing them is not a freak blip in the course of a war. It is war reduced to a comprehensible scale. It's less war, not worse war. Everything we are spending our grandchildren's unearned pay on, borrowed from China at great expense, all of it is for the murdering of human beings. And it will remain so for eternity, no matter how many times you chant "Support Duh Troops." I know many soldiers and mercenaries had few other options, given our failure to invest in any other industries. I know they've been lied to. I know they're scared and tired. But they wouldn't be there if we brought them home. And I support a full investment in their physical and mental and economic recovery. What I don't support is anyone participating in these wars, and that includes every single American who is not putting every spare moment into demanding that Congress stop forking over the money. It's blood money. It's payment for murder. It cannot be defended. It cannot be permitted. We must stop it now. We must shut down the place it comes from. Not another dime. Not another dollar. Not another death. Not another thought of revenge.
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Just stop paying the federal (reserve bank) government "TRIBUTE". The pigs in D.C. [District of Communism] will never quit spending your money on horse shit. This isn't a joke man, this is accessory to murder. This is exactly the same as hiring a hitman to kill your wife or boss, only you're paying them to kill children that you don't know nor will you ever see them.
Doing what's right isn't always easy but it's always right.
Good one Horse, thanks.
"Satan / Cheney in "08" Dragging children out of bed and killing them is not a freak blip in the course of a war. It is war reduced to a comprehensible scale. It's less war, not worse war. Maybe so, but if one picture is worth a thousand words, this is it for the Beast government that rose up with two horns like a lamb [***see below] but spoke as a dragon. www.lordmayorsshow.org/visitors/history/gogmagog Revelation 13:11 And I beheld another beast coming up out of the earth; and he had two horns like a lamb, and he spake as a dragon ***Two horns like a lamb.....The Greatest Hoax | Index bible.cc/ezekiel/17-7.htm / bible.cc/ezekiel/17-10.htm / bible.cc/matthew/15-13.htm http://bible.cc/revelation/20-8.htm ================== edit ***Two horns like a lamb.....The Greatest Hoax | Index The Union Jack PROLOGUE ".....Seeing that Christianity could not be consumed by so many and great persecutions, but from them instead the impetus to "fill the whole earth," the workers of wrath have attacked the conscience of the world by fabricating a counterfeit Christianity. More deceptively however, they have added the dimension of feigned persecution to their stratagem of "Fundamental Christianity," the reaction to which is to deceive humanity into a world social state in the name of Jesus Christ. Americans will be surprised to learn that America is being used as the major incubator of this neo-orthodox Christianity which is not antagonistic to Marxian Communism at all, but is indeed the spirit of it. It is this spiritual Communism in the guise of Christianity that is to emerge as the crowning achievement of world revolution....."
"...as long as there..remain active enemies of the Christian church, we may hope to become Master of the World...the future Jewish King will never reign in the world before Christianity is overthrown - B'nai B'rith speech http://www.biblebelievers.org.au/luther.htm / http://bible.cc/psalms/83-4.htm
I read the article. The article does not give the names of the "victims", nor does it stated date of when the "crime" happened, nor does it mention the place where the "crime" took place. No names. No date. No place. This article falsely accuses U.S. troops and murdering handcuffed children, and the person who wrote the original article should be executed for making false accusations.
Karzai Demands US Hand Over Killers of Handcuffed Children [my computer is overloaded and not printing out the whole url. sorry] Karzai Demands US Hand Over Killers of Handcuffed Children by ralphlopez, Mon Jan 04, 2010 at 02:48:06 PM EST UPDATE: Latest NATO story after changing at least 3 times claims "non-military Americans" (AFP) were present and fired upon by villagers. Initially denied presence of Coalition forces in region. "NATO forces have disputed the results of the Afghan probe, saying the foreigners involved were non-military Americans on a sanctioned operation who fired in self-defence after being shot at by villagers." Let me get this straight. A squad of Blackwater thugs lands in helicopters at 3 in the morning in the middle of nowhere just to take a walk through the neighborhood. If the allegations are true, it constitutes a war crime of ominous proportions. Afghan President Hamid Karzai has forcefully demanded that the US military hand over the perpetrators of an operation in which Special Operations forces were air-dropped outside of Ghazi Khan village in Kunar Province last week, who then took children ranging from ages as young as 11 to 18 from their beds, handcuffed them, and shot them. London Times: President Karzai’s security chiefs have demanded that America should hand over the gunmen behind a night raid in eastern Afghanistan that government investigators and the United Nations say killed at least eight schoolchildren.... It is the first time that Mr Karzai has tried to hold foreign forces directly accountable for killing civilians, although he has issued impassioned responses to civilian casualties that threaten to undermine Nato’s mission in Afghanistan. In the meantime Afghans have taken to the streets in huge anti-US demonstrations in cities across the country, many holding banners reading in English "Stop Killing Us" (video below) Kai Eide, head of the UN in Afghanistan, issued a statement reinforcing Afghan claims that most of the dead were schoolboys. "Based on our initial investigation, eight of those killed were students enrolled in local schools." The London Times reported last week: "President Karzai sent a team of investigators to Narang district, in eastern Kunar province, after reports of a massacre first surfaced on Monday." "The delegation concluded that a unit of international forces descended from a plane Sunday night into Ghazi Khan village in Narang district of the eastern province of Kunar and took ten people from three homes, eight of them school students in grades six, nine and ten, one of them a guest, the rest from the same family, and shot them dead," a statement on President Karzai's website said. Assadullah Wafa, who led the investigation, said that US soldiers flew to Kunar from Kabul, suggesting that they were part of a special forces unit. Mr Wafa, a former governor of Helmand province, met President Karzai to discuss his findings yesterday. "I spoke to the local headmaster," he said. "It's impossible they were al-Qaeda. They were children, they were civilians, they were innocent. I condemn this attack." In a telephone interview last night, the headmaster said that the victims were asleep in three rooms when the troops arrived. "Seven students were in one room," said Rahman Jan Ehsas. "A student and one guest were in another room, a guest room, and a farmer was asleep with his wife in a third building. "First the foreign troops entered the guest room and shot two of them. Then they entered another room and handcuffed the seven students. Then they killed them." What is little-noted is that the devastating attack on a CIA base last week came the day after the killings. There is a possibility that insurgents were acting in retaliation for the child killings. These are the most serious of allegations against any soldier. And although all are innocent until found guilty, a weight of evidence and credible investigation has been established to warrant an independent investigation ordered by the President of the United States. There are many questions which we should be asking. First, who ordered the operation? Did the commanders know at the time of planning that school children would be found, and included in the "targets?" If not, once inside, were the executions the work of one or two rogue individuals, or did the entire unit proceed with orders? Once recognized to be children, did any of the soldiers protest the orders, or refuse to obey them? The Karzai presidential website states, President Karzai in a telephone contact expressed condolences and shared grief with the families of the victims of the recent attack in Kunar province. Following the attack, President Karzai tasked a delegation on Monday led by the Chief of Complaints Commission and composed of representatives from the ministries of Defense, Interior, National Directorate of Security and the Office of Administrative Affairs for an immediate investigation of the incident. The findings by the delegation concluded that a unit of international forces descended from a plane Sunday night into Ghazi Khan Village in Narang district of the eastern province of Kunar and took 10 people from three homes, eight of them school students in grades six, nine and 10, one of them a guest, the rest from the same family, and shot them dead. Eight of those shot dead were confirmed as school students by the village school principle. Yesterday I made a comparison to My Lai. I have been persuaded that this is not accurate. It's worse. At My Lai a company of young, frustrated soldiers followed the orders of bad officers in the heat of the day and ongoing combat to start shooting women and children. Here, we are faced with a calculated and professional operation, by elite, seasoned Special Operations soldiers, acting methodically and in cold blood. A twelve-year old is a twelve year old. Civilian casualties from bombs are one thing, as horrendous as they are and why many people oppose this war. But our country does not shoot hog-tied children in cold blood. This is something we can never, ever lose sight of, or ever make any excuses for. What makes it worse yet, a command decision may have been made which calculated the likely political fallout to be tolerable, short-lived, and well within the containment powers of our fawning, military industrial complex-dominated media. This is chilling beyond imagination. If this stands, the Empire has crossed an invisible line of no return, going from accidental deaths that are the needless result of a needless war, to the institutionalized, cold-blooded murder of children. Civilian casualties in Afghanistan rose 10% in the first 9 months of 2009, from an already horrific 2,100 in 2008 and 1,523 in 2007. Who ordered it, and who was in command. What happened. It is not too strong to say America must know, and at stake is the very soul of the country. Nothing in this war has called out so strongly, from beyond the graves of these children, for an investigation free of Pentagon whitewash. The enablers, who voted to continue funding these wars on December 16,2009? ("Yea" is a vote for war funding.) From the new anti-war coalition Peace of the Action: We’ve marched, written, called and faxed but the wars continue. It is time for new creative strategies and bolder action. Peace of the Action will bring forward an historic escalation of Peace Activism like we have not seen in the United States in a very long time. "...you've got to put your bodies upon the gears and upon the wheels, upon all the apparatus, and you've got to make it stop." -- Mario Savio 1964 "What then must we do?" - The Year of Living Dangerously VIDEO, Afghan Protests
"...as long as there..remain active enemies of the Christian church, we may hope to become Master of the World...the future Jewish King will never reign in the world before Christianity is overthrown - B'nai B'rith speech http://www.biblebelievers.org.au/luther.htm / http://bible.cc/psalms/83-4.htm
Just stop paying the federal (reserve bank) government "TRIBUTE". The pigs in D.C. [District of Communism] will never quit spending your money on horse shit. This isn't a joke man, this is accessory to murder. This is exactly the same as hiring a hitman to kill your wife or boss, only you're paying them to kill children that you don't know nor will you ever see them. You ARE right. You've been right for a very long time. A Detailed Study of the Mark of the Beast Letters on the Mark of the Beast Rome vs US "...as long as there..remain active enemies of the Christian church, we may hope to become Master of the World...the future Jewish King will never reign in the world before Christianity is overthrown - B'nai B'rith speech http://www.biblebelievers.org.au/luther.htm / http://bible.cc/psalms/83-4.htm
Vengeance can be considered justice depending on the circumstances and alternatives. "What country can preserve its liberties if its rulers are not warned from time to time that its people preserve the spirit of resistance? Let them take arms....The tree of liberty must be refreshed from time to time with the blood of patriots and tyrants." Thomas Jefferson
Thank you so much.
Doing what's right isn't always easy but it's always right.
This is an ongoing investigation. Karzai wants the US to hand over the alleged murderers for trial. What's wrong with that request? The victims were Afghans. Karzai is Afghanistan's head of state. If the CIA and/or their contractors committed murder, they must be brought to justice in the country where the crime was committed. Correct? Here's a London Times article that quotes names and orgs which investigated the alleged murderous event. There seems to be enough preliminary evidence to suggest that a murder trial take place. The accused CIA officers and contractors will certainly have legal representation to state their side of the case. What's the problem? www.timesonline.co.uk/tol...nistan/article6973001.ece "Hamid Karzai demands US hand over gunmen who killed children" 01/01/2010 Some cut and paste: Kai Eide, the head of the UN in Afghanistan, issued a statement reinforcing Afghan claims that most of the dead were schoolboys. “Based on our initial investigation, eight of those killed were students enrolled in local schools,” he said. He accepted that there was evidence to suggest that insurgents were in the area, but reiterated concerns that night raids by US special forces risked undermining consent for foreign forces in Afghanistan. “The United Nations remains concerned about night-time raids given that they often result in lethal outcomes for civilians,” he said. The National Security Council, chaired by Mr Karzai, accepted the findings of an Afghan investigation that contradicted Nato’s claims. It demanded: “Those responsible for the deaths of those innocent youths must be handed over to the Afghan Government”. Conventional US units told investigators that they had no knowledge of the operation, in Narang district in eastern Kunar province. Assadullah Wafa, who led the investigation, said that US troops flew to Kunar from Kabul late on Saturday. Nato sources said that the foreigners involved were non-military, suggesting that they were part of a secret paramilitary unit based in the capital. Mr Wafa said that they landed helicopters outside the village and walked in at the dead of night before shooting the children at close range. “They were children, they were civilians, they were innocent,” he said. “I condemn this attack.” The Security Council endorsed his findings. “International forces entered the area and killed ten youths, eight of them school students inside two rooms in a house, without encountering any armed resistance,” a statement from Mr Karzai’s office said. A Western official was also scathing. “There’s no doubt that there were insurgents there, and there may well have been an insurgent leader in the house, but that doesn’t justify executing eight children who were all enrolled in local schools,” he said. Rahman Jan Ehsas, the local headmaster, told The Times that seven of the students were handcuffed before they were shot. A local farm labourer and a shepherd boy were also killed, he said.
I am going to say this again. No names were stated. No date was stated. No place was stated. Where are the grieving relatives? The pictures of the kids? If this was in the UK, the author of the article could be sued for libel. If this was in the U.S., it would be laughed out of court and those who brought it would be fined for wasting the court's time. There has been NO evidence stated. Only accusations.
This quote from the second article that you posted is so accurate ... and actually comes from Proverbs. Both articles are excellent IMHO ... thanks again.
Doing what's right isn't always easy but it's always right.
Well, duh. The trial has not taken place yet. Hold your horses - the grisly details will be made public in the future to sate your need for "evidence." There was a preliminary investigation done by the Afghan government. The Afghan who headed the investigation is named Assadullah Wafa. The results of the Afghan investigation were presented to the UN Security Council and the Security Council [ wherein the US has a permanent seat] ENDORSED Mr. Wafa's findings. Get it? This means there are reasonable grounds for a trial of the alleged murder suspects, i. e. the CIA officers and contractors, to take place in Afghanistan, and at that point the details of the shameless cowardly murders will be disclosed to you and to the world at large.
No names. No date. No place. This article falsely accuses U.S. troops and murdering handcuffed children, and the person who wrote the original article should be executed for making false accusations. Typical apologist's line. Kind of like in Germany: "The shopkeepers deserved to get their shops destroyed because the Jewish Bankers were making a mint and stealing Germany blind." Rationalization, nothing more nothing less, and avoiding the reality. Hint: The U.S. Government and Israel are NOT the good guys. USrael routinely commits crimes as foul, or fouler, than those for which the Nazis were tried and hung at Nuremburg. "Rendition", CIA Torture Centers, killing prisoners, Gitmo, Abu Ghraib, Baghram Prison, the Nick Berg Snuff Film, etc., are all War Crimes that can be laid at the bloodied feet of the US and Israel. That is, at this point in time, a grim, gruesome, and soul destroying fact. Those who do not raise their voice against the ongoing crimes are giving their implicit, if not overt, consent.
"One of the least understood strategies of the world revolution now moving rapidly toward its goal is the use of mind control as a major means of obtaining the consent of the people who will be subjects of the New World Order." K.M. Heaton, The National Educator
and as we all know the CIA would never commit a heinous crime, never mind that 22 0f them and an Air Force Colonel were convicted in Italy for kidnapping.
No, your line of thought sounds like the gestapo, "No evidence, no bodies, no place of time. Arrest them anyway." Why don't you realize that?!
So you want a trial, when no evidence has come out so far that there has even been a crime committed. This is sounding more and more like a witch hunt.
If this was in the U.S., it would be laughed out of court and those who brought it would be fined for wasting the court's time. Fact is, it WASN'T in the UK or the US. It was in a war zone which is a victim of the UK-US Beast which are in cahoots with the Zionist Beast. Remember them? "Rabbi says it is ok to kill children who pose a threat to 'Israel'....even INFANTS". There are a lot of people talking about this from both sides of the fence. If it were a non-event, I doubt that would be happening. The Jews own 96% of the world's media. Why are you SURPRISED that the names and other details of the victims are not listed? =================== Are US Forces Executing Kids in Afghanistan? Americans Don't Even Know to Ask Sun, 01/03/2010 - 17:37 — dlindorff The Taliban suicide attack that killed a group of CIA agents in Afghanistan on a base that was directing US drone aircraft used to attack Taliban leaders was big news in the US over the past week, with the airwaves and front pages filled with sympathetic stories referring to the fact that the female station chief, who was among those killed, was the “mother of three children.” But the apparent mass murder of Afghan school children, including one as young as 11 years old, by US-led forces (most likely either special forces or mercenary contractors working for the Pentagon or the CIA), was pretty much blacked out in the American media. Especially blacked out was word from UN investigators that the students had not just been killed but executed, many of them after having first been rousted from their bedroom and handcuffed. Here is the excellent report on the incident that ran in the Times of London (like Fox News, a Rupert Murdoch-owned publication) on Dec. 31:72; Western troops accused of executing 10 Afghan civilians, including children By Jerome Starkey in Kabul American-led troops were accused yesterday of dragging innocent children from their beds and shooting them during a night raid that left ten people dead. Afghan government investigators said that eight schoolchildren were killed, all but one of them from the same family. Locals said that some victims were handcuffed before being killed. Western military sources said that the dead were all part of an Afghan terrorist cell responsible for manufacturing improvised explosive devices (IEDs), which have claimed the lives of countless soldiers and civilians. “This was a joint operation that was conducted against an IED cell that Afghan and US officials had been developing information against for some time,” said a senior Nato insider. But he admitted that “the facts about what actually went down are in dispute”. The article goes on to say: In a telephone interview last night, the headmaster [of the local school] said that the victims were asleep in three rooms when the troops arrived. “Seven students were in one room,” said Rahman Jan Ehsas. “A student and one guest were in another room, a guest room, and a farmer was asleep with his wife in a third building. “First the foreign troops entered the guest room and shot two of them. Then they entered another room and handcuffed the seven students. Then they killed them. Abdul Khaliq [the farmer] heard shooting and came outside. When they saw him they shot him as well. He was outside. That’s why his wife wasn’t killed.” A local elder, Jan Mohammed, said that three boys were killed in one room and five were handcuffed before they were shot. “I saw their school books covered in blood,” he said. The investigation found that eight of the victims were aged from 11 to 17. The guest was a shepherd boy, 12, called Samar Gul, the headmaster said. He said that six of the students were at high school and two were at primary school. He said that all the students were his nephews. Compare this article to the one mention of the incident which appeared in the New York Times, one of the few American news outlets to even mention the incident. The Times, on Dec. 28, focusing entirely on the difficulty civilian killings cause for the US war effort, and not on the allegation of a serious war crime having been committed, wrote: Attack Puts Afghan Leader and NATO at Odds By Alissa J. Rubin and Abdul Waheed Wafa KABUL, Afghanistan — The killing of at least nine men in a remote valley of eastern Afghanistan by a joint operation of Afghan and American forces put President Hamid Karzai and senior NATO officials at odds on Monday over whether those killed had been civilians or Taliban insurgents. In a statement e-mailed to the news media, Mr. Karzai condemned the weekend attack and said the dead had been civilians, eight of them schoolboys. He called for an investigation. Local officials, including the governor and members of Parliament from Kunar Province, where the deaths occurred, confirmed the reports. But the Kunar police chief, Khalilullah Ziayee, cautioned that his office was still investigating the killings and that outstanding questions remained, including why the eight young men had been in the same house at the time. “There are still questions to be answered, like why these students were together and what they were doing on that night,” Mr. Ziayee said. A senior NATO official with knowledge of the operation said that the raid had been carried out by a joint Afghan-American force and that its target was a group of men who were known Taliban members and smugglers of homemade bombs, which the American and NATO forces call improvised explosive devices, or I.E.D.’s. According to the NATO official, nine men were killed. “These were people who had a well-established network, they were I.E.D. smugglers and also were responsible for direct attacks on Afghan security and coalition forces in those areas,” said the official, who spoke on the condition of anonymity because of the delicacy of the issue. “When the raid took place they were armed and had material for making I.E.D.’s,” the official added. While the article in the New York Times eventually mentions the allegation that the victims were children, not “men,” it nonetheless begins with the unchallenged assertion in the lead that they were “men.” There is no mention of the equally serious allegation that the victims had been handcuffed before being executed, and the story leaves the impression, made by NATO sources, that they were armed and had died fighting. There is no indication in the Times story that the reporters made any effort, as the more enterprising and skeptical London Times reporter did, to get local, non-official, sources of information. Moreover, the information claiming that the victims had been making bombs was attributed by Rubin and Wafa, with no objections from their editors in New York, to an anonymous NATO source, though there was no legitimate reason for the anonymity (“because of the delicacy of the situation” was the lame excuse offered)--indeed the use of an anonymous source here would appear to violate the Times’ own standards. It’s not that in American newsrooms there was no knowledge that a major war crime may have been committed. Nearly all American news organizations receive the AP newswire. Here is the AP report on the killings, which ran under the headline “UN says killed Afghans were students”: The United Nations says a raid last weekend by foreign troops in a tense eastern Afghan province killed eight local students. The Afghan government says that all 10 people killed in a village in Kunar province were civilians. NATO says there is no evidence to substantiate the claim and has requested a joint investigation. UN special representative in Afghanistan Kai Eide said in a statement Thursday that preliminary investigation shows there were insurgents in the area at the time of the attack. But he adds that eight of those killed were students in local schools. Once again, the American media are falling down shamefully in providing honest reporting on a war, making it difficult for the American people to make informed judgements about what is being done in their name. Let’s be clear here. If the charges are correct, that American forces, or American-led forces, are handcuffing their victims and then executing them, then they are committing egregious war crimes. If they are killing children, they are committing equally egregious war crimes. If they are handcuffing and executing children, the atrocity is beyond horrific. This incident, if true, would actually be worse than the infamous war crime that occurred in My Lai during the Vietnam War. In that case, we had ordinary soldiers in the field, acting under the orders of several low-ranking officers in the heat of an operation, shooting and killing women, children and babies. But in this case we appear to have seasoned special forces troops actually directing the taking captives, cuffing them, herding them into a room, and spraying them with bullets, execution style. Given the history of the commanding general in Afghanistan, General Stanley McChrystal, who is known to have run a massive death squad operation in Iraq before being named to his current post by President Obama, and who is known to have called for the same kind of tactics in Afghanistan, it should not be surprising that the US would now be committing atrocities in Afghanistan. If this is how this war is going to be conducted, though, the US media should be making a major effort to uncover and expose the crime. On January 1, the London Times’ Starkey, in Afghanistan, followed up with a second story, reporting that Afghan President Hamid Karzai is calling for the US to hand over the people who killed the students. He also quoted a “NATO source” as saying that the “foreigners involved” in the incident were “non-military, suggesting that they were part of a secret paramilitary unit based in the capital” of Kabul. Starkey also quotes a “Western official” as saying: “There’s no doubt that there were insurgents there, and there may well have been an insurgent leader in the house, but that doesn’t justify executing eight children who were all enrolled in local schools.” Good enterprise reporting by the London Times and its Kabul-based correspondent. Silence on these developments in the US media. Meanwhile, it has been a week now since the New York Times reporters Rubin and Wafa made their first flawed and embarrassingly one-sided report on the incident, and there has been not a word since then about it in the paper. Are Rubin and Wafa or other Times reporters on the story? Will there be a follow-up? On the evidence of past coverage of these US wars and their ongoing atrocities by the Times and by other major US corporate media news organizations, don’t bet on it. You’ll do better looking to the foreign media for real information about a story like this. By the way, given that we’re talking the allegation of a serious war crime here, it is important to note that, under the Geneva Conventions, it is a legal requirement that the US military chain of command immediately initiate an official investigation to determine whether such a crime has occurred, and if so, to establish who was responsible and bring them to justice. One would hope that the commander in chief, President Obama, would order such an inquiry. Any effort to prevent such an inquiry, or to cover up a war crime, would be a war crime in itself. We just had one administration that did a lot of that. We don’t need another one. Editorial Comment: As a teenager, I spent a year going to school in Darmstadt, in what was then West Germany. I used to have many discussions with German friends about how Germans could have allowed Nazism to happen, and how anyone could have allowed the kinds of atrocities which we Americans learned that German soldiers had committed during the war--the destroying of entire towns when one partisan fired on a German soldier, the killing of prisoners of war, etc. Of course we know now that Americans too committed equally heinous war crimes, culminating in the use of the two atomic bombs against civilian targets, not to mention the firebombing of Darmstadt itself by the Brits. But the larger point at the time was, how could Germans, who are decent people for the most part, have allowed the horror of Nazism to happen? Now we are confronted yet again with an example of American military forces (and it matters not a whit whether they are uniformed regular soldiers or paid mercenaries who executed those Afghan kids) apparently committing exactly the type of atrocity for which the German Waffen SS was known. And whether or not the charges are true, there is enough evidence at this point, with the special UN representative in Afghanistan saying it happened, for us to believe it probably did happen. Yet there has not been one editorial in the US media calling for an open investigation into this alleged atrocity. No Americans are marching in the street demanding answers. Obama, whose daughter Malia is 11--the same age as the youngest of the slain boys--has not said a word, although Afghan students are demonstrating en masse, and burning him in effigy because of this latest outrage. So what makes us Americans any better than the Germans of 1940? In a way, we are really worse. It would have taken considerable courage, as my German friends have pointed out, to take a stand against German atrocities in 1940, when such a stand could mean arrest, imprisonment and even execution, even execution of one's family. No such risks are faced by Americans who take a stand against American atrocities. Here one faces, at most, social ostracism or a minor citation for arrest at a protest. We are, as a nation, only as good as our worst behavior and our worst impulses, and can be judged by how we respond to them when they are manifested in our name. And right now, Americans aren't looking very good at all. PS: Kudos to David Swanson of the website http://www.afterdowningstreet.org, for bringing attention to this story. http://www.thiscantbehappening.net/?q=node/440 =========================== and speaking of Nazi Germany: National Guard ad revives Nazi oath to Hitler: "Always place mission first," not US Constitution January 4, 10:10 AMLA County Nonpartisan ExaminerCarl Herman In 2003, the US Army adapted the “Soldier’s Creed” to program soldiers to shift their Oath of Enlistment from “support and defend the Constitution of the United States against all enemies, foreign and domestic,” to the heel-clicking, non-thinking, dictator-obeying, “I will always place the mission first.” This fascist propaganda is highlighted in the National Guard’s new 2-minute ad playing in movie theaters, shown below. Brain-washing soldiers to place the mission first, that is, “just follow orders” given by der Fuehrer (“the leader” in German) rather than being responsible for obeying the Constitution and laws of war dramatizes the US shift into fascism. Nazi German soldiers had such an oath: "I swear by God this sacred oath that I shall render unconditional obedience to Adolf Hitler, the Führer of the German Reich, supreme commander of the armed forces, and that I shall at all times be prepared, as a brave soldier, to give my life for this oath." Another way to say this: “I will always place the mission first, as dictated by the Commander-in-Chief, Adolf Hitler.” The US Soldier’s Creed states the Army Values; its first component is “loyalty” to the US Constitution. But the creed and the new commercial favors “place the mission first” in its communication rather than “protect and defend the US Constitution.” And again, stating the "mission" dictated by the leader is first rather than the US Constitution is revealing. I am an American Soldier. Another way to say this: “I will always place the mission first, as dictated by the Commander-in-Chief, President (blank).” “I will always place the mission first, as dictated by the Commander-in-Chief, Adolf Hitler.” “I will always place the mission first, as dictated by the Commander-in-Chief, President X.” Beyond any reasonable doubt, current US wars are unlawful. Stop and research this if you are unclear on the simple rules of lawful war and why the US is in obvious violation. You cannot argue you are a responsible citizen if you do not understand these laws that govern trillions of our long-term tax dollars and so dramatically affect millions of lives. US wars in Afghanistan, Iraq, Pakistan, Yemen, and threats for war with Iran are as unlawful as a football middle linebacker kicking the opponent’s center in the head as he touches the ball, claiming it a fumble, and taking possession. What we have in our country is political “leaders” and corporate media reporting this violation as, “The enemy initiated an offensive maneuver that intelligence confirmed was going to be illegal and cause injury. Our defensive forces delivered a blow that pre-emptively stopped their attack. This prevented certain harm from their clear intent to violate their obligation under law.” That is, what we get is propaganda and lies of omission that disinform the public and our troops in Orwellian magnitude. Showcasing “always place the mission first” in the Soldier’s Creed has a clear purpose: US troops should obey their American Fuehrer.The Oath Keepers is a principle organization to reorientate our current soldiers, veterans, and members of government, law enforcement, and all others with oaths to honor their oath to the US Constitution........." http://www.examiner.com/x-18425-...first-not-US-Constitution
"...as long as there..remain active enemies of the Christian church, we may hope to become Master of the World...the future Jewish King will never reign in the world before Christianity is overthrown - B'nai B'rith speech http://www.biblebelievers.org.au/luther.htm / http://bible.cc/psalms/83-4.htm
Revenge will happen whether it is though of or not. God will not allow such crimes to go unpunished for long.
God is always good!
No, your line of thought sounds like the gestapo, "No evidence, no bodies, no place of time. Arrest them anyway." Exactly my point. Injustice is injustice regardless of to whom or where.
"One of the least understood strategies of the world revolution now moving rapidly toward its goal is the use of mind control as a major means of obtaining the consent of the people who will be subjects of the New World Order." K.M. Heaton, The National Educator
Do you want to see some videos of American troops blowing innocent civilians away and then laughing about it while listening to loud music? You are naive if you think Americans are the good guys in these wars. They are the invaders and are murderous scum of the Earth that will burn forever in hell. Go fly your flag high while God's judgement awaits you.
God is always good!
I want to see evidence of the accusation in the top article. None has been given, not even the most basic of evidence of who the victims were. Where the crime took place. And when crime took place. Some people here are so bloodthirsty for having U.S. troops suffer that they will believe anything that achieves that goal.
I may have misunderstood your previous post.
Could be. I didn't put the "/sarcasm" since I figured it was implicit.
"One of the least understood strategies of the world revolution now moving rapidly toward its goal is the use of mind control as a major means of obtaining the consent of the people who will be subjects of the New World Order." K.M. Heaton, The National Educator
None has been given, not even the most basic of evidence of who the victims were. Where the crime took place. Kunar Province, where the deaths occurred..... the headmaster [of the local school] said that the victims were asleep in three rooms when the troops arrived. “Seven students were in one room,” said Rahman Jan Ehsas. “A student and one guest were in another room, a guest room, and a farmer was asleep with his wife in a third building. “First the foreign troops entered the guest room and shot two of them. Then they entered another room and handcuffed the seven students. Then they killed them. Abdul Khaliq [the farmer] heard shooting and came outside. When they saw him they shot him as well. He was outside. That’s why his wife wasn’t killed.” A local elder, Jan Mohammed, said that three boys were killed in one room and five were handcuffed before they were shot. “I saw their school books covered in blood,” he said. The investigation found that eight of the victims were aged from 11 to 17. The guest was a shepherd boy, 12, called Samar Gul, the headmaster said. He said that six of the students were at high school and two were at primary school. He said that all the students were his nephews.
"...as long as there..remain active enemies of the Christian church, we may hope to become Master of the World...the future Jewish King will never reign in the world before Christianity is overthrown - B'nai B'rith speech http://www.biblebelievers.org.au/luther.htm / http://bible.cc/psalms/83-4.htm
Or maybe some people here would just like them to stop the killing. Ezekiel 36:13 Thus saith the Lord GOD; Because they say unto you, Thou land devourest up men, and hast bereaved thy nations: 14 Therefore thou shalt devour men no more, neither bereave thy nations any more, saith the Lord GOD. 15 Neither will I cause men to hear in thee the shame of the heathen any more, neither shalt thou bear the reproach of the people any more, neither shalt thou cause thy nations to fall any more, saith the Lord GOD. ==================== Everybody: Will you be part of God's remnant? Like many of you, I spent some time over the holidays seeking God and asking Him what He wanted of me for 2010. You've heard me mention that we've reserved the Lincoln Memorial on May 1 for "May Day – A cry to God for a Nation in Distress."....... www.wnd.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pageId=120989 2 Chronicles 7:14 If my people, which are called by my name, shall humble themselves, and pray, and seek my face, and turn from their wicked ways; then will I hear from heaven, and will forgive their sin, and will heal their land. "...as long as there..remain active enemies of the Christian church, we may hope to become Master of the World...the future Jewish King will never reign in the world before Christianity is overthrown - B'nai B'rith speech http://www.biblebelievers.org.au/luther.htm / http://bible.cc/psalms/83-4.htm
And some, having worn the uniform with honor, are so disgusted at the dishonor done the uniform would like to see the guilty do an "air walk" - slowly. I saw my job as protecting little children not blowing their brains out. Anyone who can do that has lost their soul and has no business wearing MY uniform.
"One of the least understood strategies of the world revolution now moving rapidly toward its goal is the use of mind control as a major means of obtaining the consent of the people who will be subjects of the New World Order." K.M. Heaton, The National Educator
In other articles I've read on this subject, it was not American troops that did the killing but instead military contractors. From my understanding, the military at the local command level did not even know about the operation until after the fact and had zero to do with it. Also, from my reading if the subject, it doesn't appear as if anyone is questioning whether or not the children were killed. They were. The question seems to be were they indeed handcuffed and whether or not the killings were justified. The position of the US government is that the building was filled with terrorists and therefore the US is not at fault. At least that is how I read it. There are multiple news stories from several different sources, each seeming to have a bit of information the others do not. I have no idea what the truth is. As the old saying goes, truth is the first casualty of war.
"The Central Intelligence Agency owns everyone of any significance in the major media." ~ William Colby, Director, CIA 1973–1976 The purpose of the legal system is to protect the elites from the wrath of those they plunder.- Elliott Jackalope "When plunder becomes a way of life for a group of men living together in society, they create for themselves in the course of time a legal system that authorizes it and a moral code that justifies it." - Frederic Bastiat
Thank you for trying to clear the story up.
Yes, I have seen varying accounts as well which suggest that it may have been Blackwater/Xe Goons performing the executions. At this point though it does appear clear, despite planted disinformation to fog the issue, that the event did take place. Whether it was Blackwater goons or U.S. Special Ops the perps should be given a fair trial and then hung.
"One of the least understood strategies of the world revolution now moving rapidly toward its goal is the use of mind control as a major means of obtaining the consent of the people who will be subjects of the New World Order." K.M. Heaton, The National Educator
I have a blind spot when it comes to sarcasm, unless the tag is there.
PaulCJ: So you want a trial, when no evidence has come out so far that there has even been a crime committed. This is sounding more and more like a witch hunt. Are you thick stupid or merely blind? In both of my posts on this thread [ #9 and #12] I said that there was enough cause/grounds based on the findings of the preliminary investigation by the Afghan gov't for a TRIAL in Afghanistan of the CIA officers and contractors accused of this murder. The investigative text was presented to the UN Security Council members - the USA has a permanent seat on the Security Council - and the Security Council voted to ENDORSE the findings of the Afghan gov't report. If the Afghan gov't report was so lacking in detail and so outlandish, why did the US National Security Council representative not have the report thrown out? We've previously blocked other things at the National Security Council level on a regular basis - why not this if it has no merit, not enough detail for your liking?
That is a question you should ask yourself. Check out post 28 by F.A. Hayek Fan, he points out that the original accusation was NOT about U.S. troops. But it has been spun to falsely accuse U.S. troops.
I never said the accused were US troops. I said they were CIA and contractors - also sometimes referred to as "paramilitary" to avoid use of the dreaded "black ops" phrase[ i.e. not US military]. Why do you think the Jordanian double-agent suicider targeted the CIA and contractors as opposed to targeting US troops? Do you think that was a coincidence? You don't read or you do not comprehend - maybe both. I'm done with you.
That is what the TOP ARTICLE is about! And I have been saying no evidence has been presented for such accusations.
When I got on this thread, I posted an article from the London Times that clearly said paramilitary unit and you gave the same "one size fits all" response to my article and my supplementary comments as you did to Horse's article posting. Give me a break. You operate with a pre-conceived notion that our useless foreign wars of empire and occupation are just and right and beautiful and no American ever commits atrocities or war crimes. America is a great nation. We should not give free passes to bad as**s who do evil things abroad in America's name.
and that includes every single American who is not putting every spare moment into demanding that Congress stop forking over the money.
#2. To: Horse (#0)
#3. To: Horse (#0)
(Edited)
Shooting Handcuffed Children
Apr 5, 2004 ... The Union Jack - Epilogue By Helen Peters "Religious deception is painless innoculation against truth. ... hoax.sweetliberty.org/
Apr 5, 2004 ... The Union Jack - Epilogue By Helen Peters "Religious deception is painless innoculation against truth. ... hoax.sweetliberty.org/ .... and "to deceive the nations" http://bible.cc/revelation/20-8.htm
#4. To: Horse (#0)
#5. To: PaulCJ, Horse (#4)
UPDATE: Latest NATO story after changing at least 3 times ... children ranging from ages as young as 11 to 18 from their beds, handcuffed them, and shot them. ... www.mydd.com/users/ralphlopez/posts/karzai-demands..
Contact Congress.
#6. To: noone222 (#1)
and that includes every single American who is not putting every spare moment into demanding that Congress stop forking over the money.
What is this Mark of the Beast and what is the Mark of God?
www.hisholychurch.info/sermon/mark2.php
www.hisholychurch.info/news/letters/markletters.php
Does history repeat itself because man does not repent?
www.hisholychurch.info/news/articles/romeus.php
#7. To: Horse (#0)
In a civilized world, the alternative to vengeance is justice.
#8. To: AllTheKings'HorsesWontDoIt (#6)
#9. To: PaulCJ, Horse (#4)
The article does not give the names of the "victims", nor does it stated date of when the "crime" happened, nor does it mention the place where the "crime" took place.
#10. To: scrapper2, AllTheKings'HorsesWontDoIt (#9)
#11. To: AllTheKings'HorsesWontDoIt (#6)
When thou sittest to eat with a ruler, consider diligently what [is] before thee: And put a knife to thy throat, if thou be a man given to appetite. Be not desirous of his dainties: for they are deceitful meat. Proverbs 23:1
#12. To: PaulCJ (#10)
There has been NO evidence stated. Only accusations.
#13. To: Horse (#0)
brilliant
"If you love wealth more than liberty, the tranquility of servitude better than the animating contest of freedom, depart from us in peace. We ask not your counsel nor your arms. Crouch down and lick the hand that feeds you. May your chains rest lightly upon you and may posterity forget that you were our countrymen.”—Samuel Adams 
#14. To: PaulCJ, Horse, all (#4)
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I read the article. The article does not give the names of the "victims", nor does it stated date of when the "crime" happened, nor does it mention the place where the "crime" took place.
#15. To: scrapper2, PaulCJ (#12)
The best gun to have, is the gun you have, when you need a gun.
#16. To: Original_Intent (#14)
(Edited)
Kind of like in Germany: "The shopkeepers deserved to get their shops destroyed because the Jewish Bankers were making a mint and stealing Germany blind."
#17. To: scrapper2 (#12)
Well, duh. The trial has not taken place yet.
#18. To: PaulCJ (#10)
If this was in the UK, the author of the article could be sued for libel.
I am a Warrior and a member of a team.
I serve the people of the United States, and live the Army Values.
I will always place the mission first.
I will never accept defeat.
I will never quit.
I will never leave a fallen comrade.
I am disciplined, physically and mentally tough, trained and proficient in my warrior tasks and drills.
I always maintain my arms, my equipment and myself.
I am an expert and I am a professional.
I stand ready to deploy, engage, and destroy, the enemies of the United States of America in close combat.
I am a guardian of freedom and the American way of life.
I am an American Soldier.
#19. To: Horse (#0)
Not another thought of revenge.
#20. To: PaulCJ (#16)
Kind of like in Germany: "The shopkeepers deserved to get their shops destroyed because the Jewish Bankers were making a mint and stealing Germany blind."
#21. To: PaulCJ (#4)
(Edited)
This article falsely accuses U.S. troops and murdering handcuffed children, and the person who wrote the original article should be executed for making false accusations.
#22. To: RickyJ (#21)
(Edited)
Do you want to see some videos of American troops blowing innocent civilians away and then laughing about it while listening to loud music?
#23. To: Original_Intent (#20)
Exactly my point. Injustice is injustice regardless of to whom or where.
#24. To: PaulCJ (#23)
#25. To: PaulCJ (#22)
(Edited)
I want to see evidence of the accusation in the top article.
#26. To: PaulCJ (#22)
Some people here are so bloodthirsty for having U.S. troops suffer that they will believe anything that achieves that goal.
Faith2Action - Janet Porter
Posted: January 05, 2010
bible.cc/2_chronicles/7-14.htm
#27. To: PaulCJ (#22)
(Edited)
Some people here are so bloodthirsty for having U.S. troops suffer that they will believe anything that achieves that goal.
#28. To: Original_Intent, PaulCJ (#27)
#29. To: F.A. Hayek Fan (#28)
#30. To: F.A. Hayek Fan, Paul C.J. (#28)
In other articles I've read on this subject, it was not American troops that did the killing but instead military contractors. From my understanding, the military at the local command level did not even know about the operation until after the fact and had zero to do with it.
#31. To: Original_Intent (#24)
Could be. I didn't put the "/sarcasm" since I figured it was implicit.
#32. To: PaulCJ (#17)
scrapper: Well, duh. The trial has not taken place yet.
#33. To: scrapper2 (#32)
Are you thick stupid or merely blind?
#34. To: PaulCJ (#33)
#35. To: scrapper2 (#34)
I never said the accused were US troops.
#36. To: PaulCJ (#35)
(Edited)
That is what the TOP ARTICLE is about! And I have been saying no evidence has been presented for such accusations.
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