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Title: A Dual System of Justice Violates the Rule of Law
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URL Source: http://www.fff.org/blog/jghblog2010-01-06.asp
Published: Jan 7, 2010
Author: Jacob G. Hornberger
Post Date: 2010-01-07 06:27:18 by Ada
Keywords: None
Views: 68
Comments: 2

Conservatives are once again on the rampage, this time with respect to the alleged Detroit bomber. They’re saying that he should be treated as an enemy combatant rather than prosecuted as a criminal defendant. Ironically, as they criticize President Obama’s decision to treat the alleged bomber as a criminal defendant, they block out their minds that conservative icons George W. Bush and Dick Cheney treated Zacharias Moussaoui, Jose Padilla, John Walker Lindh, and many other accused terrorists as criminal defendants.

More ironic, however, is the fact that conservatives purport to be ardent and enthusiastic defenders of the concept known as the “rule of law.” Go to any conservative conference in the country. Listen to the speeches. You will inevitably hear, at least once, some conservative expressing devotion to “the rule of law.”

Why is that ironic? Because it would be difficult to find a better example of a violation of the rule of law than the dual system of justice for prosecuting suspected terrorists than that which was adopted by the Bush administration and now embraced by the Obama administration.

What is meant by the term “the rule of law”? Some people think that it means that people should obey the law. Not so. What it means is that people in a society should have to answer to a well-defined law rather than to the arbitrary, ad hoc edicts of government officials.

Suppose, for example, there is a natural disaster and ice producers begin charging people $100 for a bag of ice, when the going rate before the disaster was $10 a bag. Local officials fine the seller for price-gouging, notwithstanding the fact that there was no law prohibiting him from selling at whatever price he wanted, natural disaster or not.

That would constitute a violation of the rule of law. Why? The man is having to answer to an arbitrary, ad hoc decision of a government official, rather than to a well-defined law, for his conduct.

Now, suppose the law states: “No person shall charge more for his product during a natural disaster than he was charging before the disaster.”

That would comply with the rule of law because now people can look to the law for guidance on what is legal and illegal. They don’t have to worry about whether they’re going to be fined or punished for engaging in conduct that doesn’t violate the law.

It should be clear that while the rule of law is an essential prerequisite for a free society, it is not a sufficient prerequisite. For example, in our natural disaster example, a price-control law would meet the standard of the rule of law but would nonetheless violate the principles of economic liberty.

Everyone concedes that terrorism is a federal criminal offense. It’s listed on the federal statute books as a crime. The government indicts and prosecutes people for terrorism. They’re tried in federal district court. When they’re convicted, a federal judge sends them to jail.

The problem is that after 9/11, the government set up a competing judicial system for handling people it accused of terrorism. This system was established by the Pentagon and was designed to compete against the federal-court system.

The difference between these two competing judicial systems is white and black.

The federal-court system — the one that the Constitution set up for trying accused criminals — has all the protections of the Bill of Rights. Its purpose is to determine whether there is sufficient evidence to convict a person of terrorism and, if so, to punish him for his crime. In the event of an acquittal, this system requires the person to be released from custody, no matter how convinced people are that he really did commit the crime.

The Pentagon’s system is the opposite. Its principles involve such things as a presumption of guilt, torture of the accused, kangaroo military tribunals, indefinite incarceration, no protection against self-incrimination, secret evidence, and the use of hearsay. The Pentagon’s system is designed for one purpose: punishment of whoever the government accuses of terrorism.

Does the person accused of terrorism get to choose which system he’ll be prosecuted under? No. That life-changing decision is left entirely to the government. And it is entirely discretionary and arbitrary. How can such a dual system, based entirely on the discretionary, arbitrary, ad hoc decisions of government officials be reconciled with the principle known as the rule of law? It can’t be.

To put the matter more starkly, suppose, for example, that there were two people on the Detroit flight working in concert to blow up the plane. Under the current post-9/11 system, U.S. officials could treat one of them as a federal-court defendant and the other as a Pentagon defendant, notwithstanding the fact that they are accused of the exact same crime and notwithstanding the fact that the two processes, and thus the results, are so different.

With the Constitution, the Framers established the finest judicial system in history, one that is subject to the Bill of Rights, whose principles stretch back through centuries of American and English history. The competing system established by the Pentagon after 9/11 is a travesty and a shame. Not only does it violate the rule of law, it also violates fundamental principles of justice and liberty and centuries of English and American jurisprudence.

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#1. To: Ada (#0)

What does a lawyer shout when he's up to no good?

"Rule of law!"

Cultural conservatism is the path of least resistance.

Prefrontal Vortex  posted on  2010-01-07   11:04:41 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#2. To: Ada (#0) (Edited)

A Dual System of Justice Violates the Rule of Law.....

It should be clear that while the rule of law is an essential prerequisite for a free society, it is not a sufficient prerequisite. For example, in our natural disaster example, a price-control law would meet the standard of the rule of law but would nonetheless violate the principles of economic liberty.

Everyone concedes that terrorism is a federal criminal offense. It’s listed on the federal statute books as a crime. The government indicts and prosecutes people for terrorism. They’re tried in federal district court. When they’re convicted, a federal judge sends them to jail.

The problem is that after 9/11, the government set up a competing judicial system for handling people it accused of terrorism. This system was established by the Pentagon and was designed to compete against the federal-court system.

The difference between these two competing judicial systems is white and black.

The federal-court system — the one that the Constitution set up for trying accused criminals — has all the protections of the Bill of Rights. Its purpose is to determine whether there is sufficient evidence to convict a person of terrorism and, if so, to punish him for his crime. In the event of an acquittal, this system requires the person to be released from custody, no matter how convinced people are that he really did commit the crime.

The Pentagon’s system is the opposite. Its principles involve such things as a presumption of guilt, torture of the accused, kangaroo military tribunals, indefinite incarceration, no protection against self-incrimination, secret evidence, and the use of hearsay. The Pentagon’s system is designed for one purpose: punishment of whoever the government accuses of terrorism.

Does the person accused of terrorism get to choose which system he’ll be prosecuted under? No. That life-changing decision is left entirely to the government. And it is entirely discretionary and arbitrary. How can such a dual system, based entirely on the discretionary, arbitrary, ad hoc decisions of government officials be reconciled with the principle known as the rule of law? It can’t be. ......

Hear, hear.....but who cares....it's good for the Jews....and part and parcel of the Hegelian Dialectic, bait-and-switch.

Noachide Judges and Courts will Replace the Existing Court System ...

"....Jewish courts ... will be granted full legal sovereignty over Jewish citizens within each country, who will no longer be subject to the authority of gentile courts.

The pre-existing Noachide judges and courts will replace the existing court system of each country, and the legal code will be drastically rewritten to conform to halacha.... .... And law and order will be fully restored through the establishment of internal security measures, again in accordance with Torah law......"

http://www.cephas-library.com/nw..._noachide_judge_and_...... [search]

"Merry Christmas and OFF WITH YOUR HEAD!

"... We can argue about who is most to blame, but the facts remain the same: Congress and the White House have been helping to establish a theocracy in America. That's right, in America -- the nation that used to be a land of religious freedom.

The would-be leaders of new theocracy:

* Want to abolish Christmas,
* Call Christians "idol worshippers,"
* Demand Christians give up their religion or be put to death,
* Preach that Jesus practiced sorcery, worshipped stone idols, and was sexually immoral,
* Want to establish a caste system in the US based on heredity and religion,
* Want to force US citizens to embrace a synthesized "religion" invented for a servant class.

And now, since the advent of the 9-11 war, the would-be leaders of this theocracy are stronger than ever. Little stands between them and the realization of their plans.

This may sound incredible, but it is as real as the ground beneath your feet, and as serious as a heart attack. I can document everything I have said. Let me fill you in on the details.

The would-be theocratic leaders that Congress and our presidents have been promoting are members of a sect called Chabad Lubavitch, headquartered in Brooklyn, New York. Chabad, (sometimes spelled "Habad"), is an acronym for three Hebrew words: Chochma, Binah and Daas, which mean "wisdom, understanding and knowledge." Chabad and Lubavitch are functionally synonymous. Chabad describes the movement; Lubavitch is the name of the town (sometimes said to be in Lithuania, sometimes in Russia) where the movement was headquartered during the nineteenth century. ......"

....we see Orthodox Jews like Lieberman and Reform Jews like Fleischer standing side-by-side working the Lubavitcher program. Lubavitchers don't want to convert non-Jews to Judaism -- they want Jews to understand they are a class apart from everyone else.

In a letter he wrote in 1964, Schneerson deplored intermarriage of Jews with non-Jews, calling it "spiritual cremation," and called the concepts of freedom, equality, and integration "misconceived ideals.".....

"In the Lubavitch cosmology, rabbis are naturally the top dogs. Then come the rest of the Jews. Next come former Christians or other non-Jews who have been converted to "Hasidic Gentiles;" those folk can have a share in the good life provided they forget Christ (or Buddha, etc.) and obey the laws assigned to them by the rabbis. At the bottom of the heap are those who refuse to conform to the system; those people may be lashed, punished, and executed. Read on. I will support everything I have just said....."

"....Explanation No. 4: So now let's turn to the Talmud for an explanation of the Noahide laws. In a footnote to Yebamoth 62a, the Talmud gives the Scriptural source of these seven Noahide laws: Genesis 9:7. In Genesis 9:7, God says to Noah:

And you, be ye fruitful, and multiply; bring forth abundantly in the earth, and multiply therein.

But as you can see, there is not one mention of seven laws in that verse, despite what the Talmudic sages tell us.

Explanation No. 5: Wait, I've overlooked something. Let's return to the Jews and Hasidic Gentiles (JHG USA) website:

http://www.noahide.com/7laws.htm mirrored at: http://www.Public-Action.com/x/nh-7laws

All of these laws are derived from specific passages in the Torah, which G-d gave to the Jewish people at Mt. Sinai.

Ah! The operant word is "derived." The Pharisee scholars derived, or reasoned, the laws into existence. So . . . just as Athena sprang from the head of Zeus, so the Noahide laws sprang from the heads of the Pharisees.

Naugahyde is man-made, vinyl coated-fabric; it is artificial leather. These Noahide laws are man made, Pharisee-coated, artificial laws. As Naugahyde is to leather, so the Noahide Laws are to the Bible.

Explanation 6: This is proof of the pudding: Sanhedrin 56a and 56b says:

Our Rabbis taught: seven precepts were the sons of Noah commanded: social laws; (5) to refrain from blasphemy, idolatry; adultery; bloodshed; robbery; and eating flesh cut from a living animal (1) . . .

Footnote 5, for the above passage, says: "I.e., to establish courts of justice, or, perhaps, to observe social justice (Nahmanides on Gen. XXXIV, 13): Hast. Dict. (s.v. Noachian precepts) translates 'obedience to authority.'"

Listen up here, fellow Gentile! "Obedience to authority" is your moral duty. Guess who the "authority" is?

Footnote 1, for the above passage, says:

These commandments may be regarded as the foundations of all human and moral progress. Judaism has both a national and a universal outlook in life. In the former sense it is particularistic, SETTING UP A PEOPLE DISTINCT AND SEPARATE FROM OTHERS (emphasis added) by its peculiar religious law. But in the latter, it recognises that moral progress and its concomitant Divine love and approval are the privilege and obligation of all mankind. And hence the Talmud lays down the seven Noachian precepts, by the observance of which all mankind may attain spiritual perfection, and without which moral death must inevitably ensue. That perhaps is the idea underlying the assertion (passim) that a heathen is liable to death for the neglect of any of these . . .

Let's pause here for a moment and notice the phrase I put in emphasis: " . . . setting up a people distinct and separate from others . . . "

Now we can put at least some of it together. The rabbis derived the Naugahyde laws from Genesis 9:7, by which they grant to themselves the power to establish courts and demand obedience to their authority from all other races and nations. Later on, in Exodus, God gives Moses the Ten Commandments.

You don't have to be a triple Ph.D. to figure out that, theologically speaking, laws given by God supersede any laws derived by men. But the Pharisee Talmudists still prefer the laws derived by men (themselves.) That's why they mention these man-made laws in JHR 104 PL 102-14 and ignore the Ten commandments.

In Footnote 5, the rabbis have granted themselves the authority ". . . to establish courts of justice, or, perhaps, to observe social justice . . . translates obedience to authority." In Footnote 1, " . . . That perhaps is the idea underlying the assertion (passim) that a heathen is liable to death for the neglect of any of these . . . "

Now we see why JHR 104 PL 102-14 did not cite the Ten Commandments. The Ten Commandments don't give authority to rabbis to set up courts and rule over the rest of mankind, nor give the rabbis the authority to put to death those who will not follow their dictates.

The Naugahyde laws do exactly that. The purpose of the Naugahyde laws is to establish the supremacy of Jews over others, under pain of death. House Joint Resolution 104 (PL 102-14) seems to have granted the Naugahyde laws the status of THE fundamental law of the land, only to be tested by the US courts.

Now we can also understand why, in 1964, the Reeb wrote that intermarriage between Jews and Gentiles was "spiritual cremation" for Jews, while at the same time organized Jewry was urging forced integration between Gentiles of different races. One race/religion will be permitted to survive, and that is the race/religion of the Jews. All Gentiles must lose their sense of belonging to a distinct race, owning a distinct culture, owning a distinct history, and practicing a distinct religion. The Gentiles must be homogenized. The Gentiles must be made Naughahydes, and Naughahydes only.

No White Pride. No Black Pride. No Yellow Pride. That is racism. Only Jewish Pride. That's not racism. That is God's will. [Footnote 2. ]......"

http://www.public-action.com/christmas.html

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What is meant by the term “the rule of law”? Some people think that it means that people should obey the law. Not so. What it means is that people in a society should have to answer to a well-defined law rather than to the arbitrary, ad hoc edicts of government officials.

Suppose, for example, there is a natural disaster and ice producers begin charging people $100 for a bag of ice, when the going rate before the disaster was $10 a bag. Local officials fine the seller for price-gouging, notwithstanding the fact that there was no law prohibiting him from selling at whatever price he wanted, natural disaster or not.

That would constitute a violation of the rule of law. Why? The man is having to answer to an arbitrary, ad hoc decision of a government official, rather than to a well-defined law, for his conduct.

check this out:

"December 10, 2005
By: Kevin Drum

SECRET LAWS....John Gilmore is suing the government because he doesn't think he should be required to show ID before boarding a commercial flight. I think this is stupid and he deserves to be thrown out of court.

At least, that's what I'd think if it weren't for this:

The Bush administration...claims that the ID requirement is necessary for security but has refused to identify any actual regulation requiring it.

A three-judge panel of the 9th Circuit Court of Appeals seemed skeptical of the Bush administration's defense of secret laws and regulations but stopped short of suggesting that such a rule would be necessarily unconstitutional.

"How do we know there's an order?" Judge Thomas Nelson asked. "Because you said there was?"

....The Justice Department has said it could identify the secret law under seal, which would be available to the 9th Circuit but not necessarily Gilmore's lawyers. But any public description would not be permitted, the department said.

WTF? Call me naive, but I've never heard of a secret law. I've heard of secret courts and secret evidence — which are bad enough already — but not secret laws. When did this happen?

And another thing. How could it possibly harm national security to identify the text of the law that requires passengers to show ID before boarding a plane? Maybe someone with a more vivid imagination than me can come up with something, but I can't.

POSTSCRIPT: Seriously, is this true? I'm just gobsmacked. Congress is passing laws that the American public isn't allowed to know about? Any of us might be prosecuted under one of these laws that we don't know exists? Courts are being asked to interpret laws they've never seen?

This gives Kafakesque a very chilling and newly concrete meaning......

If it's a secret law, how will you know if you break it?
Posted by: FastMovingCloud on December 13, 2005 "

http://www.washingtonmonthly.com/archives/individual/2005... [search SECRET COURTS SECRET LAWS]

======================

You know they're not the people of God when they LIE about and ARE SO CONTRARY TO God's word:

Leviticus 24:22 Ye shall have one manner of law, as well for the stranger, as for one of your own country: for I am the LORD your God.

bible.cc/leviticus/24-22.htm

Interesting this shows up in the same chapter as that of the young man whose mother was part Egyptian and part Danite, who blasphemed the Lord, and was stoned to death. Interesting we have symbols of both the Egyptians and the Danites [pyramid and eagle] on CorpUSA's great seal. Interesting Dan was to JUDGE HIS people, and the Noahide Laws are thought to originate with them. .... the tribe of Dan, judged Israel during the period of Philistine domination. http://watch.pair.com/dan.html / Under the Noahide Laws http://watch.pair.com/law.html

Interesting too, that the tribe of Dan does not appear as sealed by God in Revelation 7.

"...as long as there..remain active enemies of the Christian church, we may hope to become Master of the World...the future Jewish King will never reign in the world before Christianity is overthrown - B'nai B'rith speech http://www.biblebelievers.org.au/luther.htm / http://bible.cc/psalms/83-4.htm

AllTheKings'HorsesWontDoIt  posted on  2010-01-07   13:22:26 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


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