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Title: Could McCain_Rocks Actually Be As Retarded As His Posts Make Him Look?
Source: LP
URL Source: http://libertypost.org/cgi-bin/read ... gi?ArtNum=280760&Disp=313#C313
Published: Jan 7, 2010
Author: McCain_Rocks
Post Date: 2010-01-07 13:56:11 by James Deffenbach
Keywords: None
Views: 1821
Comments: 124

A pathway to citizenship is the only way to go. It worked for the great Ronaldus Maximus Reagan and has been advocated by such Republican stalwarts as president George H.W. Bush, the Honorable John McCain and his loyal sidekick, the sainted Sarah Palin. For that matter, just about the whole Republican Party.

The racist skinheads on this board will accept nothing less than spending billions of dollars hunting down illegal immigrants like they were dogs. Not only is this ridiculously simple minded, but in the end it will bankrupt businesses nationwide at a time when this country cannot afford it.

McCain_Rocks posted on 2010-01-07 11:04:29 ET Reply Trace

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#1. To: James Deffenbach (#0)

"It worked for the great Ronaldus Maximus Reagan and has been advocated by such Republican stalwarts as president George H.W. Bush, the Honorable John McCain and his loyal sidekick, the sainted Sarah Palin."

That one sentence can make a man vomit for the rest of 2010 if read on a daily basis.

_________________________________________________________________________
"This man is Jesus,” shouted one man, spilling his Guinness as Barack Obama began his inaugural address. “When will he come to Kenya to save us?”

“The best and first guarantor of our neutrality and our independent existence is the defensive will of the people…and the proverbial marksmanship of the Swiss shooter. Each soldier a good marksman! Each shot a hit!”
-Schweizerische Schuetzenzeitung (Swiss Shooting Federation) April, 1941

X-15  posted on  2010-01-07   13:59:14 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#2. To: James Deffenbach (#0)

but in the end it will bankrupt businesses nationwide at a time when this country cannot afford it.

ROFL!! Yes, because it's a good idea to have millions of immigrants during a period of high unemployment.....

If this Globe gets any Warmer, I'll fucking freeze to death!!

irishthatcherite  posted on  2010-01-07   13:59:20 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#3. To: X-15 (#1)

That one sentence can make a man vomit for the rest of 2010 if read on a daily basis.

LOL! All the diet any normal person would ever need.

Liberty is not a means to a higher political end. It is itself the highest political end.
Lord Acton

James Deffenbach  posted on  2010-01-07   14:03:11 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#4. To: irishthatcherite (#2)

Hahaha!! I like your EU-swastika flag on your homepage. Isn't that illegal in "unified" Europe???

_________________________________________________________________________
"This man is Jesus,” shouted one man, spilling his Guinness as Barack Obama began his inaugural address. “When will he come to Kenya to save us?”

“The best and first guarantor of our neutrality and our independent existence is the defensive will of the people…and the proverbial marksmanship of the Swiss shooter. Each soldier a good marksman! Each shot a hit!”
-Schweizerische Schuetzenzeitung (Swiss Shooting Federation) April, 1941

X-15  posted on  2010-01-07   14:03:57 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#5. To: irishthatcherite (#2)

Yeah, it is always a splendid idea to get about 20% of your people out of work and run in illegal aliens on them to take care of and take jobs actual Americans could be doing.

Liberty is not a means to a higher political end. It is itself the highest political end.
Lord Acton

James Deffenbach  posted on  2010-01-07   14:04:13 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#6. To: James Deffenbach (#0)

The racist skinheads on this board will accept nothing less than spending billions of dollars hunting down illegal immigrants like they were dogs. Not only is this ridiculously simple minded, but in the end it will bankrupt businesses nationwide at a time when this country cannot afford it.

Actually, the strongest opinion of any president was Eisenhower. He called it Operation Wetback. He hunted them down and deported them. Did the country a lot of good.

McStain_Rocks_In_The_Head is either a humor plant or just plain senile.

TooConservative  posted on  2010-01-07   14:04:33 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#7. To: TooConservative (#6)

Actually, the strongest opinion of any president was Eisenhower. He called it Operation Wetback. He hunted them down and deported them. Did the country a lot of good.

Yes, if I recall correctly they deported something like a million illegals and they sure didn't have the technology to catch them we have today. Anyone who says it is impossible is just frontin' for the illegals.

Liberty is not a means to a higher political end. It is itself the highest political end.
Lord Acton

James Deffenbach  posted on  2010-01-07   14:06:15 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#8. To: irishthatcherite (#2)

ROFL!! Yes, because it's a good idea to have millions of immigrants during a period of high unemployment.....

They're not immigrants. They're illegal aliens.

Keep in mind that the businesses who employ them and shift their costs onto the welfare system deliberately have absolutely no interest in actual immigrants or in native citizens who have rights under the law.

This is a plantation system, designed to exploit illegal labor on a truly massive scale. It is neo-slavery and it has happened by design, not by accident.

TooConservative  posted on  2010-01-07   14:06:37 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#9. To: TooConservative (#8)

They're not immigrants. They're illegal aliens.

I know, I'm not sure why I used the wrong term there. Especially when I'm contemplating, tacitly for now, emigrating myself, I'll make sure to do it by legal channels if I do..

If this Globe gets any Warmer, I'll fucking freeze to death!!

irishthatcherite  posted on  2010-01-07   14:10:41 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#10. To: X-15 (#4)

Hahaha!! I like your EU-swastika flag on your homepage. Isn't that illegal in "unified" Europe???

Quite ironically, it probably is. We might be all harmonised with German law.

If this Globe gets any Warmer, I'll fucking freeze to death!!

irishthatcherite  posted on  2010-01-07   14:12:23 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#11. To: irishthatcherite (#2)

they are not immigrants they are illegal invaders.


The best gun to have, is the gun you have, when you need a gun.

IRTorqued  posted on  2010-01-07   14:13:20 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#12. To: James Deffenbach (#5)

Yeah, it is always a splendid idea to get about 20% of your people out of work and run in illegal aliens on them to take care of and take jobs actual Americans could be doing.

Where's Bush II now with his "only doing the jobs Americans won't do" now?

*******

To prove the theory about stopped clocks, McCain_Rocks actually posted something genuinely witty here:

http://www.libertypost.org/cgi-b...i?ArtNum=280421&Disp=9#C3

Couple Arrested for Hiding Fetus Under Christmas Tree, May Face Murder Charges

#3. To: TitaniumDi (#0)

They should claim to be a planned parenthood clinic. Then they will be applauded instead of arrested.

McCain_Rocks posted on 2010-01-01 16:49:05 ET Reply Trace

If this Globe gets any Warmer, I'll fucking freeze to death!!

irishthatcherite  posted on  2010-01-07   14:17:18 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#13. To: IRTorqued (#11)

they are not immigrants they are illegal invaders.

I stand corrected, I used the wrong term.

If this Globe gets any Warmer, I'll fucking freeze to death!!

irishthatcherite  posted on  2010-01-07   14:17:55 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#14. To: James Deffenbach (#0)

Could McCain_Rocks Actually Be As Retarded As His Posts Make Him Look?

Yes! If you've read him for a bit you should be able to tell he is exactly the kind of American they want.

His opinions of saying ok to everything Gov says have helped them gain the ground they have.

"What country can preserve its liberties if its rulers are not warned from time to time that its people preserve the spirit of resistance? Let them take arms....The tree of liberty must be refreshed from time to time with the blood of patriots and tyrants." Thomas Jefferson

phantom patriot  posted on  2010-01-07   14:20:43 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#15. To: irishthatcherite (#12)

To prove the theory about stopped clocks, McCain_Rocks actually posted something genuinely witty here:

It also proves the saying about even blind squirrels getting a nut once in a while.

Liberty is not a means to a higher political end. It is itself the highest political end.
Lord Acton

James Deffenbach  posted on  2010-01-07   14:22:19 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#16. To: phantom patriot (#14)

Yes! If you've read him for a bit you should be able to tell he is exactly the kind of American they want.

His opinions of saying ok to everything Gov says have helped them gain the ground they have.

Hard to believe the stupidity behind such thinking.

Liberty is not a means to a higher political end. It is itself the highest political end.
Lord Acton

James Deffenbach  posted on  2010-01-07   14:23:28 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#17. To: James Deffenbach (#15)

It also proves the saying about even blind squirrels getting a nut once in a while.

Yes, even more fitting than stopped clocks. lol

If this Globe gets any Warmer, I'll fucking freeze to death!!

irishthatcherite  posted on  2010-01-07   14:24:35 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#18. To: James Deffenbach (#0)

The racist skinheads on this board will accept nothing less than spending billions of dollars hunting down illegal immigrants like they were dogs. Not only is this ridiculously simple minded, but in the end it will bankrupt businesses nationwide at a time when this country cannot afford it.

LOL !

I'm tellin' ya, there's NO WAY that he-she is posting this tripe with a straight face...he-she must be laughing his-her ass off in perpetuity with the career he-she has launched and the cottage industry that has popped up as a result.

LMAO at either a mastermind or the biggest serial neocon douche bag ever to be programmed...


"If you love wealth more than liberty, the tranquility of servitude better than the animating contest of freedom, depart from us in peace. We ask not your counsel nor your arms. Crouch down and lick the hand that feeds you. May your chains rest lightly upon you and may posterity forget that you were our countrymen.”—Samuel Adams

Rotara  posted on  2010-01-07   14:33:27 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#19. To: irishthatcherite (#10)

Quite ironically, it probably is. We might be all harmonised with German law.

I guess Hitler won after all.

"The Central Intelligence Agency owns everyone of any significance in the major media." ~ William Colby, Director, CIA 1973–1976

The purpose of the legal system is to protect the elites from the wrath of those they plunder.- Elliott Jackalope

"When plunder becomes a way of life for a group of men living together in society, they create for themselves in the course of time a legal system that authorizes it and a moral code that justifies it." - Frederic Bastiat

F.A. Hayek Fan  posted on  2010-01-07   14:36:39 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#20. To: irishthatcherite (#9)

Especially when I'm contemplating, tacitly for now, emigrating myself, I'll make sure to do it by legal channels if I do..

Hah! Good luck with that. See you in about ten years.

While we are being invaded by mexiscum, potentially good citizens are made to wait for years. Especially if they are white Europeans.

"The Central Intelligence Agency owns everyone of any significance in the major media." ~ William Colby, Director, CIA 1973–1976

The purpose of the legal system is to protect the elites from the wrath of those they plunder.- Elliott Jackalope

"When plunder becomes a way of life for a group of men living together in society, they create for themselves in the course of time a legal system that authorizes it and a moral code that justifies it." - Frederic Bastiat

F.A. Hayek Fan  posted on  2010-01-07   14:38:42 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#21. To: F.A. Hayek Fan (#20)

While we are being invaded by mexiscum, potentially good citizens are made to wait for years. Especially if they are white Europeans.

Actually, Mexicans trying to legally emigrate, who are educated, English-speaking, well-prepared for citizenship and who have family here already to help them get a start can't get in either.

The PTB have very little interest in any flavor of legal immigrant. They want the exploitable illegals. This practice extends even to high-paid foreigners working in the high-tech fields.

TooConservative  posted on  2010-01-07   14:44:57 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#22. To: James Deffenbach, christine, farmfriend, TwentyTwelve, wudidiz, all (#0)

A pathway to citizenship is the only way to go. It worked for the great Ronaldus Maximus Reagan and has been advocated by such Republican stalwarts as president George H.W. Bush, the Honorable John McCain and his loyal sidekick, the sainted Sarah Palin. For that matter, just about the whole Republican Party.

The racist skinheads on this board will accept nothing less than spending billions of dollars hunting down illegal immigrants like they were dogs. Not only is this ridiculously simple minded, but in the end it will bankrupt businesses nationwide at a time when this country cannot afford it.

McCain_Rocks posted on 2010-01-07 11:04:29 ET Reply Trace

I think I have finally hit on Rocks-in-his-head(s) PsyOp function.

It is to gauge people's reactions.

By posting the "over-the-top" commentary and support of the NeoTrotskyCon Agenda it allows whoever is doing the analyzing to quantify the opposition to the different aspects of the agenda. He is pretty uniform in posting the exact party line and framing it in a more or less neutral advocacy. He does not get heated he just posts the data and then observes the reaction. Occasionally he will follow up by testing the current counter to any particular objection.

By getting reactions they are able to index the reactions versus the item floated and gauge just how strongly held the opposition is. This then tells them more about what they can push, and what works in pushing it.

"One of the least understood strategies of the world revolution now moving rapidly toward its goal is the use of mind control as a major means of obtaining the consent of the people who will be subjects of the New World Order." K.M. Heaton, The National Educator

Original_Intent  posted on  2010-01-07   14:48:28 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#23. To: Rotara (#18)

LOL !

I'm tellin' ya, there's NO WAY that he-she is posting this tripe with a straight face...he-she must be laughing his-her ass off in perpetuity with the career he-she has launched and the cottage industry that has popped up as a result.

LMAO at either a mastermind or the biggest serial neocon douche bag ever to be programmed...

See my Post #22. I think I have finally figured out what he is actually doing. Generating numbers for a Psychographic profile and programs.

"One of the least understood strategies of the world revolution now moving rapidly toward its goal is the use of mind control as a major means of obtaining the consent of the people who will be subjects of the New World Order." K.M. Heaton, The National Educator

Original_Intent  posted on  2010-01-07   14:50:53 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#24. To: Original_Intent (#23)

Very insightful and quite probable. I still think it's an out of work moveon.commie type pulling everyone's leg...LOL But you certainly have hit on something quite likely to be spot on. What a bunch of sheeple can continue to believe is far, far, far beyond me at this point.


"If you love wealth more than liberty, the tranquility of servitude better than the animating contest of freedom, depart from us in peace. We ask not your counsel nor your arms. Crouch down and lick the hand that feeds you. May your chains rest lightly upon you and may posterity forget that you were our countrymen.”—Samuel Adams

Rotara  posted on  2010-01-07   14:54:58 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#25. To: TooConservative (#21)

Actually, Mexicans trying to legally emigrate, who are educated, English-speaking, well-prepared for citizenship and who have family here already to help them get a start can't get in either.

I'm not too sure that I would even want them here. These type of people would become the natural leaders within their communities and who knows what kind of damage they could do. It's bad enough that we have traitors like George P. Bush who is being groomed to use his Hispanic background to manipulate the uneducated and educated alike into furthering the Bush one world agenda. Not to mention the score of Hispanic lawmakers already in both parties.

"The Central Intelligence Agency owns everyone of any significance in the major media." ~ William Colby, Director, CIA 1973–1976

The purpose of the legal system is to protect the elites from the wrath of those they plunder.- Elliott Jackalope

"When plunder becomes a way of life for a group of men living together in society, they create for themselves in the course of time a legal system that authorizes it and a moral code that justifies it." - Frederic Bastiat

F.A. Hayek Fan  posted on  2010-01-07   14:55:41 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#26. To: Rotara (#18)

I'm tellin' ya, there's NO WAY that he-she is posting this tripe with a straight face...he-she must be laughing his-her ass off in perpetuity with the career he-she has launched and the cottage industry that has popped up as a result.

Yeah, his yammerin' about "racist skinheads" would seem to indicate that he might be having people on. After all, how big a problem is "racist skinheads"? There probably aren't over a few hundred in the whole country.

Liberty is not a means to a higher political end. It is itself the highest political end.
Lord Acton

James Deffenbach  posted on  2010-01-07   15:00:49 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#27. To: Original_Intent (#22)

You could be right. He just sounds insane to me.

Liberty is not a means to a higher political end. It is itself the highest political end.
Lord Acton

James Deffenbach  posted on  2010-01-07   15:02:23 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#28. To: James Deffenbach (#0)

As funny as it is, railing on retards and all, we have enough of them on THIS site, to where we really shouldn't be making fun of the retards on another site.

Seriously, the man is mentally ill, or diminished. We really shouldn't be mocking those who can't help their afflictions.

It is better to be hated for what you are, than loved for what you are not. - Tommy The Mad Artist.

TommyTheMadArtist  posted on  2010-01-07   15:04:05 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#29. To: F.A. Hayek Fan (#20)

Hah! Good luck with that. See you in about ten years.

While we are being invaded by mexiscum, potentially good citizens are made to wait for years. Especially if they are white Europeans.

Hehe.. perhaps one of the reasons I'm only thinking about it preliminarily. More of a reaction against my idea all my adult life of staying on home ground hasn't really gotten me anywhere.

I recall Mark Steyn had a good article about what you are saying a couple of years ago - basically, little or no incentive to enter America legally. Mind you, the Irish and American governments did introduce a worker exchange program early last year - which is a joke as both economies are screwed! lol

If this Globe gets any Warmer, I'll fucking freeze to death!!

irishthatcherite  posted on  2010-01-07   15:08:11 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#30. To: F.A. Hayek Fan (#19)

I guess Hitler won after all.

I'm not sure how European law stands on Swastikas, but outlawing them would be in line with the Eurocrat mindset. But Germany is the real powerhouse of the EU - so in a sense, Hitler did eventually win the war 65 years later..

If this Globe gets any Warmer, I'll fucking freeze to death!!

irishthatcherite  posted on  2010-01-07   15:11:05 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#31. To: TommyTheMadArtist (#28)

I was just curious if everyone else thought the man was retarded or just having everyone on or what his deal was. I go back and forth on what I think about him- -sometimes I think maybe he is such a good satirist that I just haven't caught on and other times I really do think he is a head case.

Liberty is not a means to a higher political end. It is itself the highest political end.
Lord Acton

James Deffenbach  posted on  2010-01-07   15:22:50 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#32. To: Original_Intent (#22)

He does not get heated he just posts the data and then observes the reaction. Occasionally he will follow up by testing the current counter to any particular objection.

Oh, I sent it into a tailspin once. It can get worked up.

"What country can preserve its liberties if its rulers are not warned from time to time that its people preserve the spirit of resistance? Let them take arms....The tree of liberty must be refreshed from time to time with the blood of patriots and tyrants." Thomas Jefferson

phantom patriot  posted on  2010-01-07   15:31:56 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#33. To: Rotara, christine, TwentyTwelve, wudidiz, IndieTX, Jethro Tull, Kamala, Esso, Cynicom, James Deffenbach, Lod, Horse, phantom patriot, all (#24)

Very insightful and quite probable. I still think it's an out of work moveon.commie type pulling everyone's leg...LOL But you certainly have hit on something quite likely to be spot on. What a bunch of sheeple can continue to believe is far, far, far beyond me at this point.

Thanks. Rocks pre-dates (Bowel) Move-on by a fair amount. I first encountered him on several different Indymedia sites as early as 2001 (at that time he/she/they posted as "Bush_Admirer" but the schtick was identical). At that time he was pushing the different elements of the Bush Program but all other aspects were the same, including a complete parrot of the party-lyin with no deviation. The counters to criticisms always came straight out of the talking points again with no deviation and virtually verbatim. No one is that stupid as to be able to regurgitate only the talking points - which is why I knew then and now that he is a paid poster with some function other that what appears on the surface. I caught him once on a cut and paste where he had posted a comment on SF Indymedia and then posted it on the one I was visiting at the time - but missed clipping out the reference to it being SF Indymedia that he was posting on. It just eluded me for a long time what his function was other than to promote the party lyin. It is to seed the Party Line on forums and to gauge the reaction thereto. Harvesting the counters then allows them to quantify it on a Psychographic Profile, and to formulate counter arguments and/or strategies to the objections. It allows them to gain a pretty good picture of where we are coming from and our likely reactions to a given policy and or action.

Our adversaries rely heavily on Psychiatrists/Psychologists to develop and implement programs that are aimed at controlling dissent and or guiding public perception in the direction they want it to go. Thus they need to know the public mind to know what they can and cannot do and what to do to guide that public perception.

"One of the least understood strategies of the world revolution now moving rapidly toward its goal is the use of mind control as a major means of obtaining the consent of the people who will be subjects of the New World Order." K.M. Heaton, The National Educator

Original_Intent  posted on  2010-01-07   15:35:48 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#34. To: phantom patriot (#32)

He does not get heated he just posts the data and then observes the reaction. Occasionally he will follow up by testing the current counter to any particular objection.

Oh, I sent it into a tailspin once. It can get worked up.

I've got him/it/they going once or twice as well. Where he/she/they run into trouble is when you formulate a counter to the official spin which the talking points do not cover. He/she/it will then either post something incoherent, irrelevant, or not respond at all.

"One of the least understood strategies of the world revolution now moving rapidly toward its goal is the use of mind control as a major means of obtaining the consent of the people who will be subjects of the New World Order." K.M. Heaton, The National Educator

Original_Intent  posted on  2010-01-07   15:38:57 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#35. To: Original_Intent (#33)

He told me once something to the effect of if he had his way he'd put people like me on my knees and put a bullet in the back of my head.

CIA?

"What country can preserve its liberties if its rulers are not warned from time to time that its people preserve the spirit of resistance? Let them take arms....The tree of liberty must be refreshed from time to time with the blood of patriots and tyrants." Thomas Jefferson

phantom patriot  posted on  2010-01-07   15:39:50 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#36. To: James Deffenbach (#27)

You could be right. He just sounds insane to me.

That is entirely possible as well - concurrently with the other functions. Sociopaths are not noted for rationality.

"One of the least understood strategies of the world revolution now moving rapidly toward its goal is the use of mind control as a major means of obtaining the consent of the people who will be subjects of the New World Order." K.M. Heaton, The National Educator

Original_Intent  posted on  2010-01-07   15:40:15 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#37. To: phantom patriot (#35)

He told me once something to the effect of if he had his way he'd put people like me on my knees and put a bullet in the back of my head.

CIA?

Or FBI. Most likely one of those two. Since most Psychologists/Pschyiatrists "have issues" he would fit right in. After all MK Ultra was a Psychiatric Program.

"One of the least understood strategies of the world revolution now moving rapidly toward its goal is the use of mind control as a major means of obtaining the consent of the people who will be subjects of the New World Order." K.M. Heaton, The National Educator

Original_Intent  posted on  2010-01-07   15:43:02 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#38. To: Original_Intent (#37)

MK Ultra was a Psychiatric Program.

Yeah, Jesse Ventura had that on Conspiracy Theory last night.

"What country can preserve its liberties if its rulers are not warned from time to time that its people preserve the spirit of resistance? Let them take arms....The tree of liberty must be refreshed from time to time with the blood of patriots and tyrants." Thomas Jefferson

phantom patriot  posted on  2010-01-07   15:45:07 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#39. To: phantom patriot (#38)

Then you have an idea how long this has been going on. It's genesis is at least early 50's. You can see its precursors as far back as the 1930's or even 1920's.

Something that has gotten excised from the history books, and rarely mentioned, was the attempt to formulate a Psychiatric Gulag in Alaska in the mid 1950's. A bill was introduced which would have allowed involuntary institutionalization of anyone at any time by any Psychiatrist. The facility was to be a very large one, dubbed "Siberia USA" when it got into the Press (when there was still some independent Press left) after having passed the House of Representatives. It was narrowly defeated in the Senate after a massive public outcry nationwide.

"We need a program of psychosurgery for political control of our society. The purpose is physical control of the mind. Everyone who deviates from the given norm can be surgically mutilated. The individual may think that the most important reality is his own existence, but this is only his personal point of view. . . Man does not have the right to develop his own mind. . . . We must electronically control the brain. Someday armies and generals will be controlled by electronic stimulation of the brain." Dr. Jose M.R. Delgado, Director of Neuropsychiatry at Yale University Medical School, Congressional Record, No. 26, Vol. 118, Feb. 24, 1974. Delgado was reported as part of the "MK-Ultra" CIA mind-control program.

"Involuntary mental hospitalization is like slavery. Refining the standards for commitment is like prettifying the slave plantations. The problem is not how to improve commitment, but how to abolish it". Thomas Szasz Emiretus Professor of Psychiatry University of Chicago

"One of the least understood strategies of the world revolution now moving rapidly toward its goal is the use of mind control as a major means of obtaining the consent of the people who will be subjects of the New World Order." K.M. Heaton, The National Educator

Original_Intent  posted on  2010-01-07   15:54:55 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#40. To: James Deffenbach (#0)

Ronaldus Maximus Reagan

BULLSHIT!

Nothing pisses me off more than nitwits who didn't understand the Reagan presidency!

By the time the amnesty went through, due to his Alzheimers and Hinckley's bullet, RR was no longer in control. It was poppy Bush who did this, not the Great Helmsman.

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Flintlock  posted on  2010-01-07   16:18:03 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#41. To: Original_Intent (#22)

After reading your post and then reading the cited post I would have to agree.


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farmfriend  posted on  2010-01-07   17:15:55 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#42. To: Flintlock (#40)

Ronaldus Maximus Reagan

BULLSHIT!

I agree completely. I know Reagan was a hero to many but not to me. While people talked long and loud about the tax cuts they never mentioned TEFRA (Tax Equalization and Fiscal Responsibilty Act). If I remember correctly that was the largest peace-time tax INCREASE in the history of the country. And there was all the deficit spending they engaged in. Reagan complained about the deficit spending but not once did he submit a balanced budget. So no, he was not a hero to me.

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James Deffenbach  posted on  2010-01-07   17:29:19 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#43. To: James Deffenbach (#0)

You should not take everything that poster posts seriously. Maybe nothing. He might be serious with some posts, but he spends a lot if time pulling people's legs, for sure.

rotgut  posted on  2010-01-07   18:02:56 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#44. To: rotgut (#43) (Edited)

Yeah, I really don't know what to make of him. It would be tragic if someone as insane as he sounds sometimes was actually out amongst other people. He could climb the tower any day and take out lots of innocent people if he really is that crazy.

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James Deffenbach  posted on  2010-01-07   18:07:33 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#45. To: James Deffenbach (#44)

All that being said, even Lou Dobbs is now saying we can't just round up every illegal and that there needs to be a pathway to citizenship.

rotgut  posted on  2010-01-07   18:10:42 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#46. To: rotgut, James Deffenbach (#43)

ah come on fifty screen names, McInsane_rocks is a retard just like yourself.


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IRTorqued  posted on  2010-01-07   18:23:43 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#47. To: rotgut (#45)

All that being said, even Lou Dobbs is now saying we can't just round up every illegal and that there needs to be a pathway to citizenship.

Lou Dobbs can be forgiven the occasional error. They can be deported when they are caught violating the law--you know, drunk driving, murdering, raping, little stuff like that. And they would self deport if the government would cut out the bs anchor baby crap. Along with telling the ones caught in the states illegally that they will NEVER be allowed entrance into the US since other people are waiting in line and they jumped the line.

Liberty is not a means to a higher political end. It is itself the highest political end.
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James Deffenbach  posted on  2010-01-07   18:40:46 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#48. To: Rotara, Original_Intent (#24)

or someone deliberately trying to make ElPee look bad. that's what i'm leaning toward.

christine  posted on  2010-01-07   18:45:56 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#49. To: phantom patriot (#35)

He told me once something to the effect of if he had his way he'd put people like me on my knees and put a bullet in the back of my head.

that makes me think even more, my theory is correct.

christine  posted on  2010-01-07   18:49:09 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#50. To: christine (#48)

... someone deliberately trying to make ElPee look bad. that's what i'm leaning toward.

No way. No one would do that.

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buckeroo  posted on  2010-01-07   18:49:22 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#51. To: buckeroo (#50)

hehehehehe

christine  posted on  2010-01-07   18:51:15 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#52. To: James Deffenbach (#42)

While people talked long and loud about the tax cuts they never mentioned TEFRA (Tax Equalization and Fiscal Responsibilty Act). If I remember correctly that was the largest peace-time tax INCREASE in the history of the country

It's a little more complicated than that.

Ronald Reagan agreed to the tax hikes on the promise from Congress of a $3 reduction in spending for every $1 increase in taxes. Some conservatives, led by then-Congressman Jack Kemp, claim that the promised spending reductions never occurred[2] .

The original TEFRA bill as passed by the House lowered taxes[6]. The Democratic-controlled Senate replaced the text of the original House bill with a number of tax increases, and the bill became law

One week after TEFRA was signed, H.R. 6863 - the Supplemental Appropriations Act of 1982 which Ronald Reagan claimed would "bust the budget" [3] was passed by both houses of Congress over his veto[4

Once again, the truth about RR shines as bright as the man he was; and once again it's the RATS who steal our money and shred our Constitution

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tax...esponsibility_Act_of_1982

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Flintlock  posted on  2010-01-07   19:02:27 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#53. To: farmfriend, phantom patriot, christine (#41)

After reading your post and then reading the cited post I would have to agree.

Thanks. Another characteristic that I didn't mention but I believe valid is false emotions i.e., his emotional response, what little there really is, seems mechanical and detached. This is one of the traits listed in the Twenty-Five Ways To Suppress Truth: The Rules of Disinformation

8 Traits of The Disinformationalist: What to Look For

6) Artificial Emotions. An odd kind of 'artificial' emotionalism and an unusually thick skin -- an ability to persevere and persist even in the face of overwhelming criticism and unacceptance. This likely stems from intelligence community training that, no matter how condemning the evidence, deny everything, and never become emotionally involved or reactive. The net result for a disinfo artist is that emotions can seem artificial. Most people, if responding in anger, for instance, will express their animosity throughout their rebuttal. But disinfo types usually have trouble maintaining the 'image' and are hot and cold with respect to pretended emotions and their usually more calm or unemotional communications style. It's just a job, and they often seem unable to 'act their role in character' as well in a communications medium as they might be able in a real face-to-face conversation/confrontation. You might have outright rage and indignation one moment, ho-hum the next, and more anger later -- an emotional yo-yo. With respect to being thick-skinned, no amount of criticism will deter them from doing their job, and they will generally continue their old disinfo patterns without any adjustments to criticisms of how obvious it is that they play that game -- where a more rational individual who truly cares what others think might seek to improve their communications style, substance, and so forth, or simply give up.

"One of the least understood strategies of the world revolution now moving rapidly toward its goal is the use of mind control as a major means of obtaining the consent of the people who will be subjects of the New World Order." K.M. Heaton, The National Educator

Original_Intent  posted on  2010-01-07   19:03:06 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#54. To: christine (#48)

or someone deliberately trying to make ElPee look bad. that's what i'm leaning toward.

Please excuse me for disagreeing. I have seen that particular poster around for enough years (as far back as 2001) and the style and manner remain unchanged in all that time. Artificial emotions, almost detached, yet doggedly pushing the Party line virtually verbatim - including the talking points. No, there is a specific function his posting is fulfilling and I think I finally hit on it.

"One of the least understood strategies of the world revolution now moving rapidly toward its goal is the use of mind control as a major means of obtaining the consent of the people who will be subjects of the New World Order." K.M. Heaton, The National Educator

Original_Intent  posted on  2010-01-07   19:07:30 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#55. To: Original_Intent (#54)

who am i to argue? ;)

now i'm off to a friend's house to watch Tx/Alabama...

Go Longhorns!

christine  posted on  2010-01-07   19:30:32 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#56. To: christine (#48)

someone deliberately trying to make ElPee look bad. that's what i'm leaning toward.

Of late, it doesn't need the help. The one good thing about MCR is that he makes Itzlzha's head explode. That little twerp always talking about the ruling EEE-lites and SERFS. Gets thin pretty quickly.

Then you have beyond the sea posting pics of Sarah Palin and inventing fantasy dialogue wheren she calls him "Stick" and asks him to work on her campaign, to which he dreamily replies "Yes, Sarah, I'm your guy".

I think I've decided to be pissed off at Neil for giving that shithole a second life no matter how much money it paid. It did a disservice to the rest of the internet.

Samuel Gray  posted on  2010-01-07   19:34:12 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#57. To: Samuel Gray (#56)

Ohhh---Don't be mad.


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mel_living  posted on  2010-01-07   19:56:24 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#58. To: Flintlock (#52)

Still, you can't give Reagan credit for tax cuts without acknowledging that he was also responsible, at least in part, for budget deficits. While he made noise about them he never once presented a balanced budget. And why would Congress pass one if they never got one?

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James Deffenbach  posted on  2010-01-07   20:06:08 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#59. To: IRTorqued (#46)

ah come on fifty screen names, McInsane_rocks is a retard just like yourself.

ROFL!! It is really the case of pot kettle black! lol

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irishthatcherite  posted on  2010-01-07   21:09:01 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#60. To: Original_Intent (#33)

That sounds right.

If this Globe gets any Warmer, I'll fucking freeze to death!!

irishthatcherite  posted on  2010-01-07   21:21:16 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#61. To: James Deffenbach (#58)

While he made noise about them he never once presented a balanced budget. And why would Congress pass one if they never got one?

Since when did the President write the budget?

IIRC, President Reagan walked into Congress carrying a 2+ foot thick budget and told them to never to give him another one like it.

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Flintlock  posted on  2010-01-07   21:38:32 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#62. To: James Deffenbach (#0)

A pathway to citizenship is the only way to go. It worked for the great Ronaldus Maximus Reagan and has been advocated by such Republican stalwarts as president George H.W. Bush, the Honorable John McCain and his loyal sidekick, the sainted Sarah Palin. For that matter, just about the whole Republican Party.

Republicans and Democrats want immigration of any kind for one reason - the US government needs more money. More people means a bigger economy - which means more taxes.

The US government cannot begin to pay all the obligations it has - so they need 400 million people to tax.

Social Security and Medicare are a giant Ponsey schemes - just like Maddoff - money that comes in today is used to pay off yesterday's obligations. 300 million Americans cannot possibly pay the bills of the US government.

The politicians will not say it - but that is the truth.

your_neighbor  posted on  2010-01-07   22:49:29 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#63. To: Flintlock (#61)

Since when did the President write the budget?

IIRC, President Reagan walked into Congress carrying a 2+ foot thick budget and told them to never to give him another one like it.

Q. How does this process start off each year?

A. The President submits a budget to Congress in early February. This lays out the President’s priorities, and includes details as to how much money he wants allocated to each federal program. The budget request also sets forth the President’s wishes with regard to reducing or raising taxes. However, the President’s proposed budget is only a recommendation. Congress has the “power of the purse.” And under the Constitution, it is Congress’s job to actually write and pass the budget.

http://harkin.senate.gov/pr/col.cfm?id=237366


I don't remember which congressman it was, but one of them who was tired of listening to his bs about the balanced budget asked him why he had never submitted one.

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James Deffenbach  posted on  2010-01-08   8:32:01 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#64. To: your_neighbor (#62)

Social Security and Medicare are a giant Ponsey schemes - just like Maddoff - money that comes in today is used to pay off yesterday's obligations.

I have known that for a long time. Wrote about it a good bit back in the 80's.

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James Deffenbach  posted on  2010-01-08   8:33:47 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#65. To: James Deffenbach (#63)

And under the Constitution, it is Congress’s job to actually write and pass the budget.

You answered your own question

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Flintlock  posted on  2010-01-08   8:45:00 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#66. To: Flintlock (#65) (Edited)

Yeah, and I answered yours too. One more time: "The President submits a budget to Congress in early February. This lays out the President’s priorities, and includes details as to how much money he wants allocated to each federal program... Why did Reagan never submit a balanced budget if he wanted Congress to pass one?

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James Deffenbach  posted on  2010-01-08   8:48:40 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#67. To: James Deffenbach (#66)

Why did Reagan never submit a balanced budget

Is this how you measure a great President? Have you ever heard of the Cold War? Have you ever heard of the Firearm Owners Protection Act?

Reagan won the Cold War and was responsible for the ONLY law to strengthen gun rights ever passed. There's a lot more too but you sound like you've voted RAT your whole life.....

Did you?

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Flintlock  posted on  2010-01-08   10:08:02 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#68. To: Flintlock (#67) (Edited)

Yeah, just keep on insulting people. The answer as to whether I have always, or ever, voted RAT, is not just no but HELL NO! I vote libertarian, not for establishment whores like some folks. You people who keep insisting that there is some great difference between the R's and D's are part of the problem. You keep on doing what you always did and you keep on getting what you always got.

And you still haven't answered my question. If Reagan wanted Congress to pass a balanced budget then wtf did he never submit one? He could have had the high ground on that issue and told people that he gave them a balanced budget but they wouldn't pass it.

Liberty is not a means to a higher political end. It is itself the highest political end.
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James Deffenbach  posted on  2010-01-08   10:20:41 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#69. To: James Deffenbach (#68)

The answer as to whether I have always, or ever, voted RAT, is not just no but HELL NO! I vote libertarian, not for establishment whores like some folks.

I voted for Badnarik in 04 and gave RP a bundle. You don't have a monopoly on voting Libertarian

You people who keep insisting that there is some great difference between the R's and D's are part of the problem. You keep on doing what you always did and you keep on getting what you always got.

I voted for McCain hoping for gridlock, I didn't get it. When you look at people who do hold office, there is usually a huge differance between R & Ds. That's not to say there aren't too many RINO turncoats but how many Congressmen have an L behind their names.......zero

And you still haven't answered my question. If Reagan wanted Congress to pass a balanced budget then wtf did he never submit one? He could have had the high ground on that issue and told people that he gave them a balanced budget but they wouldn't pass it.

Were you there during the Cold War? Crushing the Evil Empire was more important than balancing the budget. Reagan gave us hope that died with his illness and the betrayal the CFR Bush wing of the Republican Party.

Did RR submit a balanced budget, no he did not. If he had, the Commissars in Moscow would have been popping Champagne corks to celibate.

President Ronald Reagan brought down the Soviet Union, that accomplishment alone should elicit the gratitude of all real Americans.

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Flintlock  posted on  2010-01-08   16:14:08 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#70. To: James Deffenbach (#68)

lets all forget that ronnie raygun's cabinet like all presidents for the past 70 years plus were/are members of the CFR and his VP poppybush and carter were pals in the trilateral commision.


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IRTorqued  posted on  2010-01-08   16:28:50 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#71. To: IRTorqued (#70)

ronnie raygun's

How Juvenile

cabinet like all presidents for the past 70 years plus were/are members of the CFR and his VP poppybush and carter were pals in the trilateral commision.

Ronald Reagan was NOT a CFR or TLC member, in fact he despised them. RR didn't select Bush as VP, it was forced upon him by David Rockefeller. Have you ever asked yourself why Nancy Reagan dosen't speak to the Bushs' to this day?

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Flintlock  posted on  2010-01-08   17:51:06 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#72. To: Flintlock (#71)

I never said raygun was CFR or trilat but fools think he is some how special when in fact the system never changed while he was in power because he capitulated to the CFR's demands that he take on CFR members into his administration. if you want to worship the coot go for it.


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IRTorqued  posted on  2010-01-08   18:59:40 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#73. To: IRTorqued, Flintlock (#72)

I never said raygun was CFR or trilat but fools think he is some how special when in fact the system never changed while he was in power because he capitulated to the CFR's demands that he take on CFR members into his administration. if you want to worship the coot go for it.

I couldn't have said it better. Reagan should never have accepted Bush as his running mate.

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James Deffenbach  posted on  2010-01-08   19:15:18 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#74. To: James Deffenbach (#73)

the RNCFR would not let raygun run without poppybush. primaries for presidential candidates are nonsense as only candidates allowed to run for the RNCFR or the DNCFR have already been selected by the CFR and the CFR controlled media will swear up and down that the RNCFR and DNCFR candidates are the only ones running. I'll bet dollars to doughnuts that every State of these various united States of America have in their constitution that the votes shall not be counted in secret but unless the votes are hand counted they are in fact being counted in secret. until the peoples demand the polling places obey their State constitution and openly hand count the votes the system will not change.


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IRTorqued  posted on  2010-01-08   19:55:28 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#75. To: James Deffenbach, Flintlock, IRTorqued (#73)

I couldn't have said it better. Reagan should never have accepted Bush as his running mate.

Reagan never would have won the GOP nomination without accepting Herbert as his running mate, at least if you believe the verifiable crap spouted by David Rockefeller. He explicitly explained how he pitted Reagan against Carter, I'm sure all of you are familiar with the story, if not ask and I'll provide y'all a couple links to start on. :)

In 2007, the FBI reported on concern about white supremacists recruiting soldiers, saying "hundreds" of neo-Nazis were in the active military. But in April, a Department of Homeland Security report on extremism that reiterated much the same point was widely criticized by veterans groups and some conservative politicians as being unpatriotic, leading the Justice Department to retract the DHS report.

Critics acknowledge that extremism in the Army is a touchy political subject.

Dakmar  posted on  2010-01-08   19:56:42 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#76. To: IRTorqued (#74) (Edited)

the RNCFR would not let raygun run without poppybush.

In a situation like that, what would be the course of an honorable man, one worthy of all the adulation that has been heaped upon him? Would he not, if he were such an honorable and decent man, get on tv and tell the people that there were people behind the scenes pulling the strings who would not allow anyone but their puppets to be president? He could back that up with a quote from Benjamin Disraeli, a Prime Minister of England, who said, "For you see, the world is governed by very different personages from what is imagined by those who are not behind the scenes." He could have told the American people that their elections were shams, that the only "choices" they were given were between two men who were both owned and controlled by the same people. He chose not to do that.

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James Deffenbach  posted on  2010-01-08   20:44:59 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#77. To: Dakmar (#76)

ping to #76.

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James Deffenbach  posted on  2010-01-08   20:46:06 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#78. To: James Deffenbach (#76)

raygun had his chance to speak up but didn't because he lusted the position more than he loved the truth. it takes a forked tongue to speak from both sides of ones mouth. ronnie's posturing in '79 about the CFR and the trilats and poppybush was just that, posturing.


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IRTorqued  posted on  2010-01-08   21:14:29 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#79. To: IRTorqued (#78)

Yep. An honest, honorable man would never have gone along with having a known traitor in the second spot. At least, that is my opinion.

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James Deffenbach  posted on  2010-01-08   21:37:33 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#80. To: IRTorqued (#72)

but fools think he is some how special

While bigger fools can't see the truth

if you want to worship the coot go for it.

"Coot"? You're kidding, right?. That's a pretty ignorant adjective to describe the man who brought down the USSR.

Just curious, what's your political background/affiliation?

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Flintlock  posted on  2010-01-08   22:08:40 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#81. To: Flintlock (#80) (Edited)

Anybody is better than Obama. Anybody.

Anybody is better than Pelosi. Anybody.

Anybody is better than Barney Fag. Anybody

Anybody is better than anything named Bush, Dole, McCain, Waxman, Spector, or the Minnesota Jew, Smiley.

Just some random thoughts.

Jethro Tull  posted on  2010-01-08   22:19:31 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#82. To: Flintlock (#80)

the USSR was bankrupt as far back as 1921 so all that was required to bring them down was for the U.S. to stop propping them up. as far as my "affiliation" there is no difference between the RNCFR and the DNCFR so I vote for candidates who support the constitution, the candidate demonized by the CFR controlled media. if you want to vote for the CFR approved candidate go ahead it's your vote to waste.


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IRTorqued  posted on  2010-01-08   22:31:55 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#83. To: James Deffenbach, Dakmar (#79)

An honest, honorable man would never have gone along with having a known traitor in the second spot.

You know, LBJ said the VP spot wasn't worth a pitcher of warm spit, and RR understood that. So according to your logic (or lack off) RR should have declined the nomination because his VP was a CFR scumbag, right?

I've said and Dakmar confirmed that RR was TOLD by David Rockefeller if he didn't take Bush, the CFR wing of the RNC would sabotage him.

I knew Bush was a pos but I thought Reagan could have pulled it off in spite of him. Hinckley's bullets and Alzheimer's proved too much for the Great Helmsman to overcome

I'm not going to repeat this again, it's the second time I've told you.

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Flintlock  posted on  2010-01-08   22:36:43 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#84. To: IRTorqued (#82)

the USSR was bankrupt as far back as 1921

Really, for a bankrupt country they hung on pretty well for another 70 years until Ronald Reagan and "Star Wars" put a stake though their commie hearts.

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Flintlock  posted on  2010-01-08   22:46:19 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#85. To: Flintlock (#84)

you'll never get it.


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IRTorqued  posted on  2010-01-08   22:51:14 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#86. To: IRTorqued (#85)

you'll never get it.

Oh, I get it alright

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Flintlock  posted on  2010-01-08   23:14:12 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#87. To: Flintlock (#83) (Edited)

I knew Bush was a pos

Reagan did too. Yet he kept that info to himself and declined to tell the American people the truth about their would-be masters.

As far as the Soviet Union, it would have dissolved years before Reagan even thought about running for President if the US hadn't kept it afloat. You know that old commie, FDR, loved "Uncle Joe." And the US aided them for many years. They were the best enemy money could buy. Our so-called "leaders" and theirs were "conning the mugs" as they say in England and boy, oh boy, did the mugs fall for it.

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James Deffenbach  posted on  2010-01-09   8:12:43 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#88. To: James Deffenbach (#87)

I'm not going to repeat this again, it's the second time I've told you.

Go back and read #83 again until you get it

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Flintlock  posted on  2010-01-09   9:28:49 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#89. To: Flintlock (#88) (Edited)

Oh, I "get it" alright. You have decided, despite massive evidence to the contrary, that one group of one worlders stands head and shoulders above their team mates. That attitude, that belief, is what got us where we are today with people voting for one of two one-worlder whores and saying ignorant $#it like, "I WOULD vote for an independent but I don't want to waste my vote." So they go vote for what they know, or should know, to be a statist whore and then claim that the Tweedledee they voted for wasn't as bad as his ideological twin, Tweedledumber.

Liberty is not a means to a higher political end. It is itself the highest political end.
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James Deffenbach  posted on  2010-01-09   11:09:15 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#90. To: James Deffenbach, Flintlock (#89)

"If there`s to be a bloodbath let it be now." - Gov. Ronald Reagan, April 1970 in response to the Kent State shootings.

Reagan allowed a lot of brutal treatment of antiwar protesters to go on in Oakland that year, if I'm not mistaken, at the hand of the state cops. I put a lot of apprehensions out of my mind in casting the first vote of my life for him after having read Solshenitzin and a lot of other things and taking his tough stand against communism into account. But I will never vote for anyone again on the basis of ideological stripe because it's all just branding and I know now that they're all in it together.

randge  posted on  2010-01-09   13:11:31 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#91. To: James Deffenbach (#0)

Could McCain_Rocks Actually Be As Retarded As His Posts Make Him Look?

No one can be that retarded and still be able to use a computer.


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Critter  posted on  2010-01-09   13:17:05 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#92. To: Critter (#91)

maybe he is one of these.
Main Entry: idiot sa·vant Pronunciation: È-ÌdyM-sä-Èvä?9;, or same as idiot and savant for respective sing and plural forms Function: noun Inflected Form(s): plural idiots savants -ÌdyM-sä-Èvä?9;(z) or idiot savants -Èvä?9;(z) Etymology: French, literally, learned idiot Date: 1927

1 : a person affected with a mental disability (as autism or mental retardation) who exhibits exceptional skill or brilliance in some limited field (as mathematics or music) —called also savant 2 : a person who is highly knowledgeable about one subject but knows little about anything else


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IRTorqued  posted on  2010-01-09   13:27:31 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#93. To: randge (#90)

Too much hero worship of Reagan in my opinion. He did have some positive qualities but he was just a man and put his pants on one leg at a time. To hear some tell it they should change his name to Saint Ronald Reagan but I ain't buying. A lot of people have probably forgotten but he was involved in some unconstitutional stuff too (one of them being an attack on Grenada without a congressional declaration of war--I wonder why it is that every president figures we need to send soldiers off to kill people and I wonder why Congress lets them get away with it).

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James Deffenbach  posted on  2010-01-09   13:32:48 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#94. To: Critter (#91)

No one can be that retarded and still be able to use a computer.

Yes, something I had wondered about too.

Liberty is not a means to a higher political end. It is itself the highest political end.
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James Deffenbach  posted on  2010-01-09   13:34:26 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#95. To: Critter (#91)

No one can be that retarded and still be able to use a computer.

Not necessarily. byeltsin, byteshredder, and yukon come immediately to mind.

JRiggs  posted on  2010-01-09   13:56:22 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#96. To: James Deffenbach (#93)

A lot of people have probably forgotten but he was involved in some unconstitutional stuff too (one of them being an attack on Grenada without a congressional declaration of war-

Are you 18 or are you just stuck emotionally at 14? You have no concept of the world during the cold war, but keep posting, and I'll keep laughing (at you)

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Flintlock  posted on  2010-01-09   18:50:21 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#97. To: randge, all (#90) (Edited)

"If there`s to be a bloodbath let it be now." - Gov. Ronald Reagan

You know, I'm very, very familiar with Ronald Reagan and his quotes. Funny thing, the only reference on Google to this quote is from democraticunderground.com, no where else.

It's fake, Reagan never said that, but where did you get it from?

ROTFLMAO!

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Flintlock  posted on  2010-01-09   18:59:15 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#98. To: Flintlock (#96)

Are you 18 or are you just stuck emotionally at 14? You have no concept of the world during the cold war, but keep posting, and I'll keep laughing (at you)

Yeah, just keep on laughing at me if it pleases you to do so. Your laughter doesn't change any of the facts, including the fact that your hero violated the Constitution just like those you don't hold in such high regard.

Liberty is not a means to a higher political end. It is itself the highest political end.
Lord Acton

James Deffenbach  posted on  2010-01-09   19:09:15 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#99. To: James Deffenbach (#98)

yeah, just keep on laughing at me

I will, and you're definitely stuck at 14 so P-L-E-A-S-E show your true colors and bring up (the dreaded.....boo!)

IRAN CONTRA!!

Extremism in the Defense of Liberty Is No Vice - Barry Goldwater

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Flintlock  posted on  2010-01-09   19:23:37 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#100. To: Flintlock (#97) (Edited)

I should have checked this out before I posted it. Anywho, it rang bell from way old times, so I let it fly.

But there is this from wikiquote:

If it's to be a bloodbath, let it be now. Appeasement is not the answer. On what to do about student disruptions at UC Berkeley, quoted in the Los Angeles Times (1970-04-08). Shortly thereafter, Reagan said: "I certainly don't think there should be a bloodbath on campus or anywhere else. It was just a figure of speech." Quoted by United Press International, (1970-04-08).

This was several weeks before the Kent State massacre. I stand corrected on that point.

http://en.wikiquote.org/wiki/Ronald_Reagan

randge  posted on  2010-01-09   19:54:58 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#101. To: randge (#100)

I stand corrected on that point.

Thank you for your honesty.

I checked the site out and found this gem:

* I'm convinced that today the majority of Americans want what those first Americans wanted: A better life for themselves and their children; a minimum of government authority. Very simply, they want to be left alone in peace and safety to take care of the family by earning an honest dollar and putting away some savings. This may not sound too exciting, but there is something magnificent about it. On the farm, on the street corner, in the factory and in the kitchen, millions of us ask nothing more, but certainly nothing less than to live our own lives according to our values — at peace with ourselves, our neighbors and the world. -Ronald Reagan - Nationally televised address, (1976-07-06).

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Flintlock  posted on  2010-01-09   20:17:09 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#102. To: randge, Flintlock, James Deffenbach, IRTorqued (#100)

May 15, 1969 - "Bloody Tuesday":

As governor of California, Reagan was involved in high-profile conflicts with the protest movements. On May 15, 1969, during protests at UC Berkeley, Reagan sent the California Highway Patrol and other officers to quell the protests, in an incident that became known as “Bloody Thursday.” Reagan then called out the National Guard to occupy the city of Berkeley for two weeks in order to crack down on the protesters.

I can see why Flintlock loves the man.

Just kidding F, but I have to tell you I side with others here in telling you and telling you that while Reagan gave some great speeches he governed exactly like a former hollywood democrat who'd got a high paying gig with General Electric.

In 2007, the FBI reported on concern about white supremacists recruiting soldiers, saying "hundreds" of neo-Nazis were in the active military. But in April, a Department of Homeland Security report on extremism that reiterated much the same point was widely criticized by veterans groups and some conservative politicians as being unpatriotic, leading the Justice Department to retract the DHS report.

Critics acknowledge that extremism in the Army is a touchy political subject.

Dakmar  posted on  2010-01-09   20:19:07 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#103. To: Flintlock (#101)

That was a great speech. My favorite was the one he gave to HUAC about a government being afraid of its citizens.

In 2007, the FBI reported on concern about white supremacists recruiting soldiers, saying "hundreds" of neo-Nazis were in the active military. But in April, a Department of Homeland Security report on extremism that reiterated much the same point was widely criticized by veterans groups and some conservative politicians as being unpatriotic, leading the Justice Department to retract the DHS report.

Critics acknowledge that extremism in the Army is a touchy political subject.

Dakmar  posted on  2010-01-09   20:23:07 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#104. To: Dakmar (#102)

he governed exactly like a former hollywood democrat who'd got a high paying gig with General Electric.

I know you're kidding, I also know where you live!

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Flintlock  posted on  2010-01-09   20:38:57 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#105. To: Critter (#91) (Edited)

No one can be that retarded and still be able to use a computer.

Unfortunately, Yuklown is disproving that theory, giving retards everywhere a bad name. This guy needs a good ol' fashioned CP beatdown performed on him. Real-life intrusions and mayhem caused just for sport and because in his case, it's the right thing to do.

Where does one begin?

And after some reflection, e_type_jig is such a disappointment. He seemed to have a spark of intellect at first and now he is LP's house servant.

Samuel Gray  posted on  2010-01-09   20:41:28 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#106. To: Flintlock (#104)

I know you're kidding, I also know where you live!

Well where's my pizza then, beyotch? :)

In 2007, the FBI reported on concern about white supremacists recruiting soldiers, saying "hundreds" of neo-Nazis were in the active military. But in April, a Department of Homeland Security report on extremism that reiterated much the same point was widely criticized by veterans groups and some conservative politicians as being unpatriotic, leading the Justice Department to retract the DHS report.

Critics acknowledge that extremism in the Army is a touchy political subject.

Dakmar  posted on  2010-01-09   20:49:19 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#107. To: Dakmar (#106)

Well where's my pizza then,

Hell, I could use a good pizza. It's 45 and raining and I've been cooped-up all day trying to stay warm

This sucks!

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Flintlock  posted on  2010-01-09   20:52:25 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#108. To: Flintlock (#107)

45 sounds tropical, although I'm fine with the 22 high temp today, at least it wasn't bitter, hateful, force you back into your house cold we've been having.

In 2007, the FBI reported on concern about white supremacists recruiting soldiers, saying "hundreds" of neo-Nazis were in the active military. But in April, a Department of Homeland Security report on extremism that reiterated much the same point was widely criticized by veterans groups and some conservative politicians as being unpatriotic, leading the Justice Department to retract the DHS report.

Critics acknowledge that extremism in the Army is a touchy political subject.

Dakmar  posted on  2010-01-09   21:02:39 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#109. To: Flintlock (#107)

Hell, I could use a good pizza.

Those went extinct in Fort Weenie about 20 years ago.

Godfrey Smith: Mike, I wouldn't worry. Prosperity is just around the corner.
Mike Flaherty: Yeah, it's been there a long time. I wish I knew which corner.
My Man Godfrey (1936)

Esso  posted on  2010-01-09   21:05:51 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#110. To: Esso (#109)

Y'all cant even make your own tasty pies?

Urban crisis, man, I'll help you apply for some TARP funds, cool?

In 2007, the FBI reported on concern about white supremacists recruiting soldiers, saying "hundreds" of neo-Nazis were in the active military. But in April, a Department of Homeland Security report on extremism that reiterated much the same point was widely criticized by veterans groups and some conservative politicians as being unpatriotic, leading the Justice Department to retract the DHS report.

Critics acknowledge that extremism in the Army is a touchy political subject.

Dakmar  posted on  2010-01-09   21:09:42 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#111. To: Esso, Dakmar (#109)

Those went extinct in Fort Weenie about 20 years ago.

I hear there's still one good place in Chicago, but the satellite imagery shows them completely surrounded by taco stands.

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Flintlock  posted on  2010-01-09   21:21:05 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#112. To: Dakmar (#108)

45 sounds tropical

Only to Al Gore

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Flintlock  posted on  2010-01-09   21:22:27 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#113. To: Flintlock (#111)

Prolly a law against pouring molten cheese on them..

In 2007, the FBI reported on concern about white supremacists recruiting soldiers, saying "hundreds" of neo-Nazis were in the active military. But in April, a Department of Homeland Security report on extremism that reiterated much the same point was widely criticized by veterans groups and some conservative politicians as being unpatriotic, leading the Justice Department to retract the DHS report.

Critics acknowledge that extremism in the Army is a touchy political subject.

Dakmar  posted on  2010-01-09   21:24:36 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#114. To: Flintlock (#112)

While channel surfing several years ago I came upon Al Gore pontificating with bono from u2

It was amazing how sane bono looked in comparison, but it's not an either/or, is it? Yes or no, damnit!

:)

In 2007, the FBI reported on concern about white supremacists recruiting soldiers, saying "hundreds" of neo-Nazis were in the active military. But in April, a Department of Homeland Security report on extremism that reiterated much the same point was widely criticized by veterans groups and some conservative politicians as being unpatriotic, leading the Justice Department to retract the DHS report.

Critics acknowledge that extremism in the Army is a touchy political subject.

Dakmar  posted on  2010-01-09   21:29:46 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#115. To: Flintlock (#111)

why are they called mexican restaurants and not hispanic restaurants?


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IRTorqued  posted on  2010-01-10   1:26:55 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#116. To: IRTorqued (#115)

Why are they not his and herspanics? Don't the herspanics own anything?

Liberty is not a means to a higher political end. It is itself the highest political end.
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James Deffenbach  posted on  2010-01-10   8:01:43 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#117. To: Dakmar (#102)

Just kidding F, but I have to tell you I side with others here in telling you and telling you that while Reagan gave some great speeches he governed exactly like a former hollywood democrat who'd got a high paying gig with General Electric.

Yeah, and never forget that Reagan loved that ol' commie bastard, FDR.

Liberty is not a means to a higher political end. It is itself the highest political end.
Lord Acton

James Deffenbach  posted on  2010-01-10   8:03:19 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#118. To: James Deffenbach (#117)

never forget that Reagan loved that ol' commie bastard, FDR.

Prove it dipshit!

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Flintlock  posted on  2010-01-10   19:04:10 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#119. To: IRTorqued (#115)

why are they called mexican restaurants and not hispanic restaurants?

Tell me

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Flintlock  posted on  2010-01-10   19:07:00 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#120. To: Flintlock (#118)

One last post to you--you have insulted me one time too many and you're going on the filter. Here is the proof that Reagan loved that commie b@$tard, FDR.

Reagan was a New Deal Democrat. He joked that he had probably become a Democrat by birth, given that his father, Jack, was so devoted to the Democratic Party. The younger Reagan cast his first presidential vote in 1932 for Franklin Roosevelt, and did so again in the succeeding three presidential contests. His faith in FDR remained undimmed even after World War II, when he called himself “a New Dealer to the core.” He summarized his views in this way: “I thought government could solve all our postwar problems just as it had ended the Depression and won the war. I didn’t trust big business. I thought government, not private companies, should own our big public utilities; if there wasn’t enough housing to shelter the American people, I thought government should build it; if we needed better medical care, the answer was socialized medicine.” When his brother, Moon, became a Republican and argued with his sibling, the younger Reagan concluded “he was just spouting Republican propaganda..."

"Twice he spoke at events honoring Roosevelt. The first was in 1982. He had visited the FDR exhibit at the Smithsonian Institution, then returned to the White House for a luncheon that included the Roosevelt family. Naturally, when speaking in front of someone’s family, one avoids comments critical of a loved one. The speech was instead a tribute to FDR’s leadership. Reagan called him “one of history’s truly monumental figures,” “an American giant, a leader who shaped, inspired, and led our people through perilous times,” one who could “reach out to men and women of diverse races and backgrounds and inspire them with new hope and new confidence in war and peace.”

Ronald Reagan on Franklin Roosevelt: The Significance of Style

Liberty is not a means to a higher political end. It is itself the highest political end.
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James Deffenbach  posted on  2010-01-10   19:29:26 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#121. To: James Deffenbach (#120)

-you have insulted me one time too many and you're going on the filter

You don't know what an insult is you Reagan hating twerp. Who cares what Dr. K. Alan Snyder (whoever he is) has to say.

The first was in 1982. He had visited the FDR exhibit at the Smithsonian Institution, then returned to the White House for a luncheon that included the Roosevelt family. Naturally, when speaking in front of someone’s family, one avoids comments critical of a loved one.

You are a human joke, and when it comes to history , a true moron.

As President of the Untied States, Reagan had to "officiate" at various offical functions. What was RR to do, call FDR's relatives assholes?

Now put me on filter you pussy, I'm sure if we met RT I'd have to slap you off my dick every 5 minutes

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Flintlock  posted on  2010-01-10   19:44:37 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#122. To: christine (#49)

that makes me think even more, my theory is correct.

And what might that be dear lady? Care ta share?

"What country can preserve its liberties if its rulers are not warned from time to time that its people preserve the spirit of resistance? Let them take arms....The tree of liberty must be refreshed from time to time with the blood of patriots and tyrants." Thomas Jefferson

phantom patriot  posted on  2010-01-11   11:14:43 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#123. To: Original_Intent (#53)

6) Artificial Emotions. An odd kind of 'artificial' emotionalism and an unusually thick skin -- an ability to persevere and persist even in the face of overwhelming criticism and unacceptance. This likely stems from intelligence community training that, no matter how condemning the evidence, deny everything, and never become emotionally involved or reactive. The net result for a disinfo artist is that emotions can seem artificial. Most people, if responding in anger, for instance, will express their animosity throughout their rebuttal. But disinfo types usually have trouble maintaining the 'image' and are hot and cold with respect to pretended emotions and their usually more calm or unemotional communications style. It's just a job, and they often seem unable to 'act their role in character' as well in a communications medium as they might be able in a real face-to-face conversation/confrontation. You might have outright rage and indignation one moment, ho-hum the next, and more anger later -- an emotional yo-yo. With respect to being thick-skinned, no amount of criticism will deter them from doing their job, and they will generally continue their old disinfo patterns without any adjustments to criticisms of how obvious it is that they play that game -- where a more rational individual who truly cares what others think might seek to improve their communications style, substance, and so forth, or simply give up.

That sounds like what some of us laymen refer to as robot syndrome!

"What country can preserve its liberties if its rulers are not warned from time to time that its people preserve the spirit of resistance? Let them take arms....The tree of liberty must be refreshed from time to time with the blood of patriots and tyrants." Thomas Jefferson

phantom patriot  posted on  2010-01-11   11:24:01 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#124. To: phantom patriot (#123)

That sounds like what some of us laymen refer to as robot syndrome!

You say tomato I say tomahtoh. ;-)

A sewer by any other name still smells like a sewer. However, it is nice to know what you are dealing with.

"One of the least understood strategies of the world revolution now moving rapidly toward its goal is the use of mind control as a major means of obtaining the consent of the people who will be subjects of the New World Order." K.M. Heaton, The National Educator

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