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Title: Could McCain_Rocks Actually Be As Retarded As His Posts Make Him Look?
Source: LP
URL Source: http://libertypost.org/cgi-bin/read ... gi?ArtNum=280760&Disp=313#C313
Published: Jan 7, 2010
Author: McCain_Rocks
Post Date: 2010-01-07 13:56:11 by James Deffenbach
Keywords: None
Views: 1446
Comments: 124

A pathway to citizenship is the only way to go. It worked for the great Ronaldus Maximus Reagan and has been advocated by such Republican stalwarts as president George H.W. Bush, the Honorable John McCain and his loyal sidekick, the sainted Sarah Palin. For that matter, just about the whole Republican Party.

The racist skinheads on this board will accept nothing less than spending billions of dollars hunting down illegal immigrants like they were dogs. Not only is this ridiculously simple minded, but in the end it will bankrupt businesses nationwide at a time when this country cannot afford it.

McCain_Rocks posted on 2010-01-07 11:04:29 ET Reply Trace

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Very insightful and quite probable. I still think it's an out of work moveon.commie type pulling everyone's leg...LOL But you certainly have hit on something quite likely to be spot on. What a bunch of sheeple can continue to believe is far, far, far beyond me at this point.

Thanks. Rocks pre-dates (Bowel) Move-on by a fair amount. I first encountered him on several different Indymedia sites as early as 2001 (at that time he/she/they posted as "Bush_Admirer" but the schtick was identical). At that time he was pushing the different elements of the Bush Program but all other aspects were the same, including a complete parrot of the party-lyin with no deviation. The counters to criticisms always came straight out of the talking points again with no deviation and virtually verbatim. No one is that stupid as to be able to regurgitate only the talking points - which is why I knew then and now that he is a paid poster with some function other that what appears on the surface. I caught him once on a cut and paste where he had posted a comment on SF Indymedia and then posted it on the one I was visiting at the time - but missed clipping out the reference to it being SF Indymedia that he was posting on. It just eluded me for a long time what his function was other than to promote the party lyin. It is to seed the Party Line on forums and to gauge the reaction thereto. Harvesting the counters then allows them to quantify it on a Psychographic Profile, and to formulate counter arguments and/or strategies to the objections. It allows them to gain a pretty good picture of where we are coming from and our likely reactions to a given policy and or action.

Our adversaries rely heavily on Psychiatrists/Psychologists to develop and implement programs that are aimed at controlling dissent and or guiding public perception in the direction they want it to go. Thus they need to know the public mind to know what they can and cannot do and what to do to guide that public perception.

"One of the least understood strategies of the world revolution now moving rapidly toward its goal is the use of mind control as a major means of obtaining the consent of the people who will be subjects of the New World Order." K.M. Heaton, The National Educator

Original_Intent  posted on  2010-01-07   15:35:48 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

He does not get heated he just posts the data and then observes the reaction. Occasionally he will follow up by testing the current counter to any particular objection.

Oh, I sent it into a tailspin once. It can get worked up.

I've got him/it/they going once or twice as well. Where he/she/they run into trouble is when you formulate a counter to the official spin which the talking points do not cover. He/she/it will then either post something incoherent, irrelevant, or not respond at all.

"One of the least understood strategies of the world revolution now moving rapidly toward its goal is the use of mind control as a major means of obtaining the consent of the people who will be subjects of the New World Order." K.M. Heaton, The National Educator

Original_Intent  posted on  2010-01-07   15:38:57 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

He told me once something to the effect of if he had his way he'd put people like me on my knees and put a bullet in the back of my head.

CIA?

"What country can preserve its liberties if its rulers are not warned from time to time that its people preserve the spirit of resistance? Let them take arms....The tree of liberty must be refreshed from time to time with the blood of patriots and tyrants." Thomas Jefferson

phantom patriot  posted on  2010-01-07   15:39:50 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

You could be right. He just sounds insane to me.

That is entirely possible as well - concurrently with the other functions. Sociopaths are not noted for rationality.

"One of the least understood strategies of the world revolution now moving rapidly toward its goal is the use of mind control as a major means of obtaining the consent of the people who will be subjects of the New World Order." K.M. Heaton, The National Educator

Original_Intent  posted on  2010-01-07   15:40:15 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

He told me once something to the effect of if he had his way he'd put people like me on my knees and put a bullet in the back of my head.

CIA?

Or FBI. Most likely one of those two. Since most Psychologists/Pschyiatrists "have issues" he would fit right in. After all MK Ultra was a Psychiatric Program.

"One of the least understood strategies of the world revolution now moving rapidly toward its goal is the use of mind control as a major means of obtaining the consent of the people who will be subjects of the New World Order." K.M. Heaton, The National Educator

Original_Intent  posted on  2010-01-07   15:43:02 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

MK Ultra was a Psychiatric Program.

Yeah, Jesse Ventura had that on Conspiracy Theory last night.

"What country can preserve its liberties if its rulers are not warned from time to time that its people preserve the spirit of resistance? Let them take arms....The tree of liberty must be refreshed from time to time with the blood of patriots and tyrants." Thomas Jefferson

phantom patriot  posted on  2010-01-07   15:45:07 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

Then you have an idea how long this has been going on. It's genesis is at least early 50's. You can see its precursors as far back as the 1930's or even 1920's.

Something that has gotten excised from the history books, and rarely mentioned, was the attempt to formulate a Psychiatric Gulag in Alaska in the mid 1950's. A bill was introduced which would have allowed involuntary institutionalization of anyone at any time by any Psychiatrist. The facility was to be a very large one, dubbed "Siberia USA" when it got into the Press (when there was still some independent Press left) after having passed the House of Representatives. It was narrowly defeated in the Senate after a massive public outcry nationwide.

"We need a program of psychosurgery for political control of our society. The purpose is physical control of the mind. Everyone who deviates from the given norm can be surgically mutilated. The individual may think that the most important reality is his own existence, but this is only his personal point of view. . . Man does not have the right to develop his own mind. . . . We must electronically control the brain. Someday armies and generals will be controlled by electronic stimulation of the brain." Dr. Jose M.R. Delgado, Director of Neuropsychiatry at Yale University Medical School, Congressional Record, No. 26, Vol. 118, Feb. 24, 1974. Delgado was reported as part of the "MK-Ultra" CIA mind-control program.

"Involuntary mental hospitalization is like slavery. Refining the standards for commitment is like prettifying the slave plantations. The problem is not how to improve commitment, but how to abolish it". Thomas Szasz Emiretus Professor of Psychiatry University of Chicago

"One of the least understood strategies of the world revolution now moving rapidly toward its goal is the use of mind control as a major means of obtaining the consent of the people who will be subjects of the New World Order." K.M. Heaton, The National Educator

Original_Intent  posted on  2010-01-07   15:54:55 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

Ronaldus Maximus Reagan

BULLSHIT!

Nothing pisses me off more than nitwits who didn't understand the Reagan presidency!

By the time the amnesty went through, due to his Alzheimers and Hinckley's bullet, RR was no longer in control. It was poppy Bush who did this, not the Great Helmsman.

Show Me Obama's Birth Certificate!

Flintlock  posted on  2010-01-07   16:18:03 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

After reading your post and then reading the cited post I would have to agree.

"The only thing better than a Federal Reserve audit would be a Federal Reserve autopsy." ~ unknown

farmfriend  posted on  2010-01-07   17:15:55 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

Ronaldus Maximus Reagan

BULLSHIT!

I agree completely. I know Reagan was a hero to many but not to me. While people talked long and loud about the tax cuts they never mentioned TEFRA (Tax Equalization and Fiscal Responsibilty Act). If I remember correctly that was the largest peace-time tax INCREASE in the history of the country. And there was all the deficit spending they engaged in. Reagan complained about the deficit spending but not once did he submit a balanced budget. So no, he was not a hero to me.

Liberty is not a means to a higher political end. It is itself the highest political end.
Lord Acton

James Deffenbach  posted on  2010-01-07   17:29:19 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

You should not take everything that poster posts seriously. Maybe nothing. He might be serious with some posts, but he spends a lot if time pulling people's legs, for sure.

rotgut  posted on  2010-01-07   18:02:56 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

Yeah, I really don't know what to make of him. It would be tragic if someone as insane as he sounds sometimes was actually out amongst other people. He could climb the tower any day and take out lots of innocent people if he really is that crazy.

Liberty is not a means to a higher political end. It is itself the highest political end.
Lord Acton

James Deffenbach  posted on  2010-01-07   18:07:33 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

All that being said, even Lou Dobbs is now saying we can't just round up every illegal and that there needs to be a pathway to citizenship.

rotgut  posted on  2010-01-07   18:10:42 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

ah come on fifty screen names, M^cInsane_rocks is a retard just like yourself.

IRTorqued  posted on  2010-01-07   18:23:43 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

All that being said, even Lou Dobbs is now saying we can't just round up every illegal and that there needs to be a pathway to citizenship.

Lou Dobbs can be forgiven the occasional error. They can be deported when they are caught violating the law--you know, drunk driving, murdering, raping, little stuff like that. And they would self deport if the government would cut out the bs anchor baby crap. Along with telling the ones caught in the states illegally that they will NEVER be allowed entrance into the US since other people are waiting in line and they jumped the line.

Liberty is not a means to a higher political end. It is itself the highest political end.
Lord Acton

James Deffenbach  posted on  2010-01-07   18:40:46 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

or someone deliberately trying to make ElPee look bad. that's what i'm leaning toward.

christine  posted on  2010-01-07   18:45:56 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

He told me once something to the effect of if he had his way he'd put people like me on my knees and put a bullet in the back of my head.

that makes me think even more, my theory is correct.

christine  posted on  2010-01-07   18:49:09 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

... someone deliberately trying to make ElPee look bad. that's what i'm leaning toward.

No way. No one would do that.

“Gold is the money of kings; silver is the money of gentlemen; barter is the money of peasants; but debt is the money of slaves.�

buckeroo  posted on  2010-01-07   18:49:22 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

hehehehehe

christine  posted on  2010-01-07   18:51:15 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

While people talked long and loud about the tax cuts they never mentioned TEFRA (Tax Equalization and Fiscal Responsibilty Act). If I remember correctly that was the largest peace-time tax INCREASE in the history of the country

It's a little more complicated than that.

Ronald Reagan agreed to the tax hikes on the promise from Congress of a $3 reduction in spending for every $1 increase in taxes. Some conservatives, led by then-Congressman Jack Kemp, claim that the promised spending reductions never occurred[2] .

The original TEFRA bill as passed by the House lowered taxes[6]. The Democratic-controlled Senate replaced the text of the original House bill with a number of tax increases, and the bill became law

One week after TEFRA was signed, H.R. 6863 - the Supplemental Appropriations Act of 1982 which Ronald Reagan claimed would "bust the budget" [3] was passed by both houses of Congress over his veto[4

Once again, the truth about RR shines as bright as the man he was; and once again it's the RATS who steal our money and shred our Constitution

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tax...esponsibility_Act_of_1982

Show Me Obama's Birth Certificate!

Flintlock  posted on  2010-01-07   19:02:27 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

After reading your post and then reading the cited post I would have to agree.

Thanks. Another characteristic that I didn't mention but I believe valid is false emotions i.e., his emotional response, what little there really is, seems mechanical and detached. This is one of the traits listed in the Twenty-Five Ways To Suppress Truth: The Rules of Disinformation

8 Traits of The Disinformationalist: What to Look For

6) Artificial Emotions. An odd kind of 'artificial' emotionalism and an unusually thick skin -- an ability to persevere and persist even in the face of overwhelming criticism and unacceptance. This likely stems from intelligence community training that, no matter how condemning the evidence, deny everything, and never become emotionally involved or reactive. The net result for a disinfo artist is that emotions can seem artificial. Most people, if responding in anger, for instance, will express their animosity throughout their rebuttal. But disinfo types usually have trouble maintaining the 'image' and are hot and cold with respect to pretended emotions and their usually more calm or unemotional communications style. It's just a job, and they often seem unable to 'act their role in character' as well in a communications medium as they might be able in a real face-to-face conversation/confrontation. You might have outright rage and indignation one moment, ho-hum the next, and more anger later -- an emotional yo-yo. With respect to being thick-skinned, no amount of criticism will deter them from doing their job, and they will generally continue their old disinfo patterns without any adjustments to criticisms of how obvious it is that they play that game -- where a more rational individual who truly cares what others think might seek to improve their communications style, substance, and so forth, or simply give up.

"One of the least understood strategies of the world revolution now moving rapidly toward its goal is the use of mind control as a major means of obtaining the consent of the people who will be subjects of the New World Order." K.M. Heaton, The National Educator

Original_Intent  posted on  2010-01-07   19:03:06 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

or someone deliberately trying to make ElPee look bad. that's what i'm leaning toward.

Please excuse me for disagreeing. I have seen that particular poster around for enough years (as far back as 2001) and the style and manner remain unchanged in all that time. Artificial emotions, almost detached, yet doggedly pushing the Party line virtually verbatim - including the talking points. No, there is a specific function his posting is fulfilling and I think I finally hit on it.

"One of the least understood strategies of the world revolution now moving rapidly toward its goal is the use of mind control as a major means of obtaining the consent of the people who will be subjects of the New World Order." K.M. Heaton, The National Educator

Original_Intent  posted on  2010-01-07   19:07:30 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

who am i to argue? ;)

now i'm off to a friend's house to watch Tx/Alabama...

Go Longhorns!

christine  posted on  2010-01-07   19:30:32 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

someone deliberately trying to make ElPee look bad. that's what i'm leaning toward.

Of late, it doesn't need the help. The one good thing about MCR is that he makes Itzlzha's head explode. That little twerp always talking about the ruling EEE-lites and SERFS. Gets thin pretty quickly.

Then you have beyond the sea posting pics of Sarah Palin and inventing fantasy dialogue wheren she calls him "Stick" and asks him to work on her campaign, to which he dreamily replies "Yes, Sarah, I'm your guy".

I think I've decided to be pissed off at Neil for giving that shithole a second life no matter how much money it paid. It did a disservice to the rest of the internet.

Samuel Gray  posted on  2010-01-07   19:34:12 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

Ohhh---Don't be mad.

mel_living  posted on  2010-01-07   19:56:24 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

Still, you can't give Reagan credit for tax cuts without acknowledging that he was also responsible, at least in part, for budget deficits. While he made noise about them he never once presented a balanced budget. And why would Congress pass one if they never got one?

Liberty is not a means to a higher political end. It is itself the highest political end.
Lord Acton

James Deffenbach  posted on  2010-01-07   20:06:08 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

ah come on fifty screen names, McInsane_rocks is a retard just like yourself.

ROFL!! It is really the case of pot kettle black! lol

If this Globe gets any Warmer, I'll fucking freeze to death!!

irishthatcherite  posted on  2010-01-07   21:09:01 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

That sounds right.

If this Globe gets any Warmer, I'll fucking freeze to death!!

irishthatcherite  posted on  2010-01-07   21:21:16 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

While he made noise about them he never once presented a balanced budget. And why would Congress pass one if they never got one?

Since when did the President write the budget?

IIRC, President Reagan walked into Congress carrying a 2+ foot thick budget and told them to never to give him another one like it.

Show Me Obama's Birth Certificate!

Flintlock  posted on  2010-01-07   21:38:32 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

A pathway to citizenship is the only way to go. It worked for the great Ronaldus Maximus Reagan and has been advocated by such Republican stalwarts as president George H.W. Bush, the Honorable John McCain and his loyal sidekick, the sainted Sarah Palin. For that matter, just about the whole Republican Party.

Republicans and Democrats want immigration of any kind for one reason - the US government needs more money. More people means a bigger economy - which means more taxes.

The US government cannot begin to pay all the obligations it has - so they need 400 million people to tax.

Social Security and Medicare are a giant Ponsey schemes - just like Maddoff - money that comes in today is used to pay off yesterday's obligations. 300 million Americans cannot possibly pay the bills of the US government.

The politicians will not say it - but that is the truth.

your_neighbor  posted on  2010-01-07   22:49:29 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

Since when did the President write the budget?

IIRC, President Reagan walked into Congress carrying a 2+ foot thick budget and told them to never to give him another one like it.

Q. How does this process start off each year?

A. The President submits a budget to Congress in early February. This lays out the President’s priorities, and includes details as to how much money he wants allocated to each federal program. The budget request also sets forth the President’s wishes with regard to reducing or raising taxes. However, the President’s proposed budget is only a recommendation. Congress has the “power of the purse.” And under the Constitution, it is Congress’s job to actually write and pass the budget.

http://harkin.senate.gov/pr/col.cfm?id=237366

Liberty is not a means to a higher political end. It is itself the highest political end.
Lord Acton

James Deffenbach  posted on  2010-01-08   8:32:01 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

Social Security and Medicare are a giant Ponsey schemes - just like Maddoff - money that comes in today is used to pay off yesterday's obligations.

I have known that for a long time. Wrote about it a good bit back in the 80's.

Liberty is not a means to a higher political end. It is itself the highest political end.
Lord Acton

James Deffenbach  posted on  2010-01-08   8:33:47 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

And under the Constitution, it is Congress’s job to actually write and pass the budget.

You answered your own question

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Flintlock  posted on  2010-01-08   8:45:00 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

Yeah, and I answered yours too. One more time: "The President submits a budget to Congress in early February. This lays out the President’s priorities, and includes details as to how much money he wants allocated to each federal program... Why did Reagan never submit a balanced budget if he wanted Congress to pass one?

Liberty is not a means to a higher political end. It is itself the highest political end.
Lord Acton

James Deffenbach  posted on  2010-01-08   8:48:40 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

Why did Reagan never submit a balanced budget

Is this how you measure a great President? Have you ever heard of the Cold War? Have you ever heard of the Firearm Owners Protection Act?

Reagan won the Cold War and was responsible for the ONLY law to strengthen gun rights ever passed. There's a lot more too but you sound like you've voted RAT your whole life.....

Did you?

Show Me Obama's Birth Certificate!

Flintlock  posted on  2010-01-08   10:08:02 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

Yeah, just keep on insulting people. The answer as to whether I have always, or ever, voted RAT, is not just no but HELL NO! I vote libertarian, not for establishment whores like some folks. You people who keep insisting that there is some great difference between the R's and D's are part of the problem. You keep on doing what you always did and you keep on getting what you always got.

And you still haven't answered my question. If Reagan wanted Congress to pass a balanced budget then wtf did he never submit one? He could have had the high ground on that issue and told people that he gave them a balanced budget but they wouldn't pass it.

Liberty is not a means to a higher political end. It is itself the highest political end.
Lord Acton

James Deffenbach  posted on  2010-01-08   10:20:41 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

The answer as to whether I have always, or ever, voted RAT, is not just no but HELL NO! I vote libertarian, not for establishment whores like some folks.

I voted for Badnarik in 04 and gave RP a bundle. You don't have a monopoly on voting Libertarian

You people who keep insisting that there is some great difference between the R's and D's are part of the problem. You keep on doing what you always did and you keep on getting what you always got.

I voted for McCain hoping for gridlock, I didn't get it. When you look at people who do hold office, there is usually a huge differance between R & Ds. That's not to say there aren't too many RINO turncoats but how many Congressmen have an L behind their names.......zero

And you still haven't answered my question. If Reagan wanted Congress to pass a balanced budget then wtf did he never submit one? He could have had the high ground on that issue and told people that he gave them a balanced budget but they wouldn't pass it.

Were you there during the Cold War? Crushing the Evil Empire was more important than balancing the budget. Reagan gave us hope that died with his illness and the betrayal the CFR Bush wing of the Republican Party.

Did RR submit a balanced budget, no he did not. If he had, the Commissars in Moscow would have been popping Champagne corks to celibate.

President Ronald Reagan brought down the Soviet Union, that accomplishment alone should elicit the gratitude of all real Americans.

Show Me Obama's Birth Certificate!

Flintlock  posted on  2010-01-08   16:14:08 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

lets all forget that ronnie raygun's cabinet like all presidents for the past 70 years plus were/are members of the CFR and his VP poppybush and carter were pals in the trilateral commision.

IRTorqued  posted on  2010-01-08   16:28:50 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

ronnie raygun's

How Juvenile

cabinet like all presidents for the past 70 years plus were/are members of the CFR and his VP poppybush and carter were pals in the trilateral commision.

Ronald Reagan was NOT a CFR or TLC member, in fact he despised them. RR didn't select Bush as VP, it was forced upon him by David Rockefeller. Have you ever asked yourself why Nancy Reagan dosen't speak to the Bushs' to this day?

Show Me Obama's Birth Certificate!

Flintlock  posted on  2010-01-08   17:51:06 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

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