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Title: Deforestation Unveils Lost Amazon Civilization
Source: Discovery.com
URL Source: http://news.discovery.com/earth/def ... -lost-amazon-civilization.html
Published: Jan 7, 2010
Author: Michael Reilly
Post Date: 2010-01-08 23:03:43 by buckeroo
Keywords: None
Views: 19479
Comments: 96

Who would've thought deforestation had an upside?

Satellite flyovers of newly cleared land in the Amazon have uncovered a vanished civilization that could rival the Incans or Aztecs in sophistication.

Researchers found mysterious geometric trenches and other earthworks carved into the landscape as early as a decade ago, but satellites have paved the way for the discovery of over 200 giant structures.

Writing in the journal Antiquity, the researchers say the the formations stretch for some 250 kilometers (155 miles) across the upper Amazon basin east of the Andes mountains and appear to be of a similar style throughout, suggesting one vast, united civilization that could have totaled some 60,000 inhabitants.

Researchers also found stone tools, bits of ceramics, and other artifacts buried in mounds along the trenches. So far, the uncovered areas date to between 200 and 1283 A.D., but the team thinks they've seen "no more than a tenth" of the true extent of this archeological wonder. More from an article which appeared Tuesday in the Guardian:

"These revelations are exploding our perceptions of what the Americas really looked liked before the arrival of Christopher Columbus," said David Grann, author of "The Lost City of Z," a book about an attempt in the 1920s to find signs of Amazonian civilizations. "The discoveries are challenging long-held assumptions about the Amazon as a Hobbesian place where only small primitive tribes could ever have existed, and about the limits the environment placed on the rise of early civilisations."

ElDorado2 They are also vindicating, said Grann, Percy Fawcett, the explorer who partly inspired Conan Doyle's book "The Lost World."

Fawcett led an expedition to find the City of Z but the party vanished, bequeathing a mystery.

Many scientists saw the jungle as too harsh to sustain anything but small nomadic tribes. Now it seems the conquistadores who spoke of "cities that glistened in white" were telling the truth.

They, however, probably also introduced the diseases that wiped out the native people, leaving the jungle to claim – and hide – all traces of their civilization.


Poster Comment:

Who would've thought deforestation had an upside?

There is no upside. The planet is unquestionably dying with the Arctic melting, the destruction of coral reefs and the average temperature climbing at rates that demand a complete stop to deforestation releasing CO2.

I strongly recommend that for the preservation of all mankind that we consider methods of conservation quickly.

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#5. To: buckeroo (#0)



No CO2 increase in last 150 years

The trend since 1850 has been "essentially zero"

31 Dec 09 - New research finds that the airborne fraction of carbon dioxide has not increased either during the past 150 years or during the most recent five decades, contrary to some recent studies. See entire article" www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2009/12/091230184221.htm


Original_Intent  posted on  2010-01-09   0:42:55 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#7. To: Original_Intent (#5)

Get a clue from your own posts, will ya?

buckeroo  posted on  2010-01-09   0:48:31 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#9. To: buckeroo (#7)

In contradiction to some recent studies, he finds that the airborne fraction of carbon dioxide has not increased either during the past 150 years or during the most recent five decades.

Original_Intent  posted on  2010-01-09   0:54:41 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#11. To: Original_Intent (#9)

All he says is that anthropogenic contributions have little contributions based upon his research. The FACT remains: CO2 emissions are CLIMBING at a rapid rate over the past 150 years.

buckeroo  posted on  2010-01-09   1:01:46 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#12. To: buckeroo, farmfriend, James Deffenbach (#11)

Based on what evidence from a legitimate and untainted source?

Original_Intent  posted on  2010-01-09   1:10:56 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#14. To: Original_Intent (#12)

Based on what evidence from a legitimate and untainted source?

Are you saying that CO2 is not climbing in concentrations around the world? Well, it certainly is. Look over any urban city AROUND the world in modern western cultures ... and do you note: automobile exteriors (over a few years) look old and fragmented?

It is because of the CO2 concentrations in that same local proximity. The CO2 concentrations in combination with both sulfur and chloride in the atmosphere create acids; creating acid rain, covering the automobile exteriors rotting away the otherwise beautiful appearance of a fine assemblyline modern machine.

Just as the same in the oceans and the seas around the world destroying the balances of nature there.

buckeroo  posted on  2010-01-09   1:20:24 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#16. To: buckeroo, farmfriend (#14)

I will concede the point that possibly CO2 levels have shown a modest increase.

However, as farmfriend points out there is no evidence that it is necessarily a bad thing. The Earth has historically had much higher levels of CO2 than are currently in the atmosphere.

We're still here.

Imagine that.

Original_Intent  posted on  2010-01-09   1:28:22 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#20. To: Original_Intent (#16)

I will concede the point that possibly CO2 levels have shown a modest increase.

Thank you. Increasingly, you are becoming a someone that I can chat with objectively. One of the benefits of chit-chat web-sites is that if we show a sense of respect for each other, irrespective of opinion, it is possible to be friends.

And that is a sincere objective of mine. I am a degreed engineer with a MSEE in the electrical/electronics world. And I have no need to state that I am an expert in geophysics. But, I must say basic chemistry suggests there are many free atoms combining and making compounds and solutions and when man releases the genie ... we are seeing the impact around the world.

In America, we are blessed for the most part. Still, there is a HUGE water shortage confronting the SouthWest. It is undeniable, that overpopulation in conjunction with random methods of industry to make a buck have created a dying planet.

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