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Title: Deforestation Unveils Lost Amazon Civilization
Source: Discovery.com
URL Source: http://news.discovery.com/earth/def ... -lost-amazon-civilization.html
Published: Jan 7, 2010
Author: Michael Reilly
Post Date: 2010-01-08 23:03:43 by buckeroo
Keywords: None
Views: 19517
Comments: 96

Who would've thought deforestation had an upside?

Satellite flyovers of newly cleared land in the Amazon have uncovered a vanished civilization that could rival the Incans or Aztecs in sophistication.

Researchers found mysterious geometric trenches and other earthworks carved into the landscape as early as a decade ago, but satellites have paved the way for the discovery of over 200 giant structures.

Writing in the journal Antiquity, the researchers say the the formations stretch for some 250 kilometers (155 miles) across the upper Amazon basin east of the Andes mountains and appear to be of a similar style throughout, suggesting one vast, united civilization that could have totaled some 60,000 inhabitants.

Researchers also found stone tools, bits of ceramics, and other artifacts buried in mounds along the trenches. So far, the uncovered areas date to between 200 and 1283 A.D., but the team thinks they've seen "no more than a tenth" of the true extent of this archeological wonder. More from an article which appeared Tuesday in the Guardian:

"These revelations are exploding our perceptions of what the Americas really looked liked before the arrival of Christopher Columbus," said David Grann, author of "The Lost City of Z," a book about an attempt in the 1920s to find signs of Amazonian civilizations. "The discoveries are challenging long-held assumptions about the Amazon as a Hobbesian place where only small primitive tribes could ever have existed, and about the limits the environment placed on the rise of early civilisations."

ElDorado2 They are also vindicating, said Grann, Percy Fawcett, the explorer who partly inspired Conan Doyle's book "The Lost World."

Fawcett led an expedition to find the City of Z but the party vanished, bequeathing a mystery.

Many scientists saw the jungle as too harsh to sustain anything but small nomadic tribes. Now it seems the conquistadores who spoke of "cities that glistened in white" were telling the truth.

They, however, probably also introduced the diseases that wiped out the native people, leaving the jungle to claim – and hide – all traces of their civilization.


Poster Comment:

Who would've thought deforestation had an upside?

There is no upside. The planet is unquestionably dying with the Arctic melting, the destruction of coral reefs and the average temperature climbing at rates that demand a complete stop to deforestation releasing CO2.

I strongly recommend that for the preservation of all mankind that we consider methods of conservation quickly.

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#5. To: buckeroo (#0)



No CO2 increase in last 150 years

The trend since 1850 has been "essentially zero"

31 Dec 09 - New research finds that the airborne fraction of carbon dioxide has not increased either during the past 150 years or during the most recent five decades, contrary to some recent studies. See entire article" www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2009/12/091230184221.htm


Original_Intent  posted on  2010-01-09   0:42:55 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#7. To: Original_Intent (#5)

Get a clue from your own posts, will ya?

buckeroo  posted on  2010-01-09   0:48:31 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#9. To: buckeroo (#7)

In contradiction to some recent studies, he finds that the airborne fraction of carbon dioxide has not increased either during the past 150 years or during the most recent five decades.

Original_Intent  posted on  2010-01-09   0:54:41 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#11. To: Original_Intent (#9)

All he says is that anthropogenic contributions have little contributions based upon his research. The FACT remains: CO2 emissions are CLIMBING at a rapid rate over the past 150 years.

buckeroo  posted on  2010-01-09   1:01:46 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#13. To: buckeroo, Original_Intent, James Deffenbach, Lod (#11)

All he says is that anthropogenic contributions have little contributions based upon his research. The FACT remains: CO2 emissions are CLIMBING at a rapid rate over the past 150 years.

Over all CO2 has increased as have the sinks. While man may have increased emissions the percentage contributed by man has not changed. Moreover, there is no evidence that an increase in CO2, whether anthropogenic or natura, is bad. There is historic evidence that higher CO2 levels are good actually as are warmer temperatures.

farmfriend  posted on  2010-01-09   1:18:28 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#15. To: farmfriend (#13)

There is historic evidence that higher CO2 levels are good actually as are warmer temperatures.

Where? Israel and Washington DC, filled with hot-aire?

buckeroo  posted on  2010-01-09   1:26:45 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#17. To: buckeroo, Original_Intent (#15)

Where? Israel and Washington DC, filled with hot-aire?

The renaissance, the Roman period and the proliferation of the Vikings were all done under warmer conditions.

farmfriend  posted on  2010-01-09   1:31:26 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#21. To: farmfriend (#17)

The renaissance, the Roman period and the proliferation of the Vikings were all done under warmer conditions.

Those times did not have the natural resource extractions that we see today. During those times, maybe 100,000,000 people around the world? And today ... 6.7Bn? BIG_DIFFERENCE.

buckeroo  posted on  2010-01-09   1:44:05 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#22. To: buckeroo (#21)

Actually I think populations were higher than we know.

farmfriend  posted on  2010-01-09   1:45:08 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#23. To: farmfriend (#22)

Please explain. Please remember, natural resource extraction is proportionate to population levels.

buckeroo  posted on  2010-01-09   1:47:37 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#28. To: buckeroo, farmfriend, wudidiz, Lod, James Deffenbach, all (#23)

Please explain. Please remember, natural resource extraction is proportionate to population levels.

The ruins buried in the jungles are extensive and very sophisticated. There are all sorts of interesting anomalies and artefacts.

For example Guatemala is criss crossed with a very sophisticated canal system which no one even knew was there, buried as it was in jungle, until the satelite photos taken from above highlighted the lines of the canals and on site investigation confirmed their existence.

Another interesting tidbit is that as much as China, and the Chinese, revere Jade China has no Jade mines whatsoever. However, Guatemala does and they have been worked extensively in prehistory.

Strange Stone Spheres have turned up in central america, some larger in diameter than a man. Even more puzzling is that they are smooth and they are perfectly true spheres.Link Why they were made no one knows. Who made them no one knows. Some Archaeologists have tried to credit them to the Olmecs but there is no real evidence to support that.

Original_Intent  posted on  2010-01-09   2:01:28 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#59. To: Original_Intent, buckeroo, wudidiz, Lod, James Deffenbach (#28)

Who made them no one knows. Some Archaeologists have tried to credit them to the Olmecs but there is no real evidence to support that.

Not to mention the Olmecs looked African.

farmfriend  posted on  2010-01-09   13:53:12 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


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#62. To: farmfriend, buckeroo, wudidiz, Lod, James Deffenbach (#59)

Who made them no one knows. Some Archaeologists have tried to credit them to the Olmecs but there is no real evidence to support that.

Not to mention the Olmecs looked African.

Try pointing out to a lamestream academic Archaeologist that the Olmec Head Carvings are clearly Negroid/Bantu in appearance and form and they will call you names and laugh at you. Yet any objective observer can look at them and see clearly that they are what we would, today, call African in appearance.

The Lamestream Academics keep trying to explain them away as "stylized", "coincidence" etc., ... Because accepting them for what they appear to be completely destroys their neat theories about the Bering Strait Land Bridge of 13,000 years ago. How did the Africans get there? And that is before we get to the quantity and sophistication of the stone structures in North, Central, and South America. To try and claim that a small group of Nomadic Hunter-Gatherers rose from Hunter-Gatherers to widespread agriculture and stone masonry of that scale, quantitiy, and sophistication (and the implied population level) in about 11,000 years is so ludicrous as to be laughable. Yet they will assert it with a straight face. There was a tower uncovered in a Lava Flow near Mexico City - Geologists dated the flow to 8,000 years ago, BUT Academic Archaeologists dated the tower to 3,000 years ago because otherwise it would have screwed up their chronology.

When someone, such as Virginia Steen-McIntyre does honest science and comes up with evidence they don't like? Why of course they rebury the evidence and drive her out of the field. Makes great "Scientific" sense doesn't it?

Here are some photos of the Olmec Heads. The author pretty much parrots the Party Line but the photos do illustrate what we are talking about.

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