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Title: More US military die from suicide than in battle
Source: NWO Observer
URL Source: http://nwoobserver.wordpress.com/20 ... military-lives-than-afghan-war
Published: Jan 06, 2010
Author: wsws
Post Date: 2010-01-10 05:38:48 by Tatarewicz
Keywords: None
Views: 394
Comments: 31

American military personnel are continuing to take their own lives in unprecedented numbers, as wars in Afghanistan and Iraq drag on. By late November, at least 334 had committed suicide in 2009, more than the 319 killed in Afghanistan or the 150 who died in Iraq.

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#1. To: Tatarewicz (#0)

Article only makes sense with original title: "Suicide claims more US military lives than Afghan war".

TooConservative  posted on  2010-01-10   6:27:06 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  

Thank you for the correction. But not to overlook the headline's overall authenticity.

A five-month survey by CBS (since VA does not keep suicide stats) uncovered 6,256 suicides in 2005 alone which is more than the cumulative total for the Iraq and Afghan wars.

http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2...tigates/main3496471.shtml

There's lots of disturbing data when you google "us veterans suicide:" 93% are enlisted, one-third between ages 21-25, 48% married, 42% after one deployment; 178,000 vets have been diagnosed with mental illness(s) between 2002-08. Estimated 10 failed suicide attempts for each actual loss. And remember, as one relative of a fallen Canadian trooper said: this was for nothing. No other reason than a bunch of political captives in the US Congress having to discharge their campaign indebtedness to the Israeli lobby shylocks by fighting Israel's enemies.

Tatarewicz  posted on  2010-01-10   23:32:53 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  

Estimated 10 failed suicide attempts for each actual loss.

Hmm...kind of strange, considering they're trained in lethal weapons, huh?

I expect at least half of these "failed" attempts are trying for a long-term disability. Shirkers.

Lots of people trying to game the system.

TooConservative  posted on  2010-01-11   7:48:12 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  

The ten-to-one ratio appears to be the norm for the general population, although some estimates put it at 20-1. There are 30,000 suicides annually in the US; another estimated 300,000 survive an attempt,most requiring only emergency room treatment. Suicide is listed as the 8th leading cause of death.

www.alb2c3.com/suilodge/facovr1.htm

Tatarewicz  posted on  2010-01-12   1:34:08 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  

http://www.alb2c3.com/suilodge/facovr1.htm

What is this domain and link, some kind of scam? Trying to trace IP addresses?

Registrant:
willoughby, martin
ATTN: A1B2C3.COM
c/o Network Solutions
P.O. Box 459
Drums, PA. 18222

TooConservative  posted on  2010-01-12   7:54:49 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  

The only thing I can conjecture about the "false" URL it's a gimmick to attract readers to advertising, something all newspapers do. The front page is all interesting news so you pick up the paper. Inside you find the adds. Alb2c3 takes an interesting item and gives a URL containing its sales pitches with the intent of attracting people unaware of their site. This would be my guess as to what's going on.

Tatarewicz  posted on  2010-01-17   6:12:23 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  

So what did you think of the reporting that 1/3 of the soldiers who offed themselves hadn't even been sent to a combat zone?

I thought that would surprise most people.

TooConservative  posted on  2010-01-17   7:19:20 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  

So what did you think of the reporting that 1/3 of the soldiers who offed themselves hadn't even been sent to a combat zone?

that's very surprising to me and makes no sense. is there any evidence or documentation that these pre-deployed recruits are being given psychotropic meds?

christine  posted on  2010-01-18   0:55:20 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  

So what did you think of the reporting that 1/3 of the soldiers who offed themselves hadn't even been sent to a combat zone?

that's very surprising to me and makes no sense.

There is nothing unusual about that. It has always been that way.

It has always been that when combat looms, the cowards run, not commit suicide.

Suicide tending people can occur any time, any instance. Totally random pattern. You will see it seldom discussed but there is one factor that tends to influence such, that is when men are in a total or near total male atmosphere for a protracted period of time. All are affected to a degree but the majority are able to cope.

The military has done studies on it in the past.

Cynicom  posted on  2010-01-18   2:55:41 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  

You will see it seldom discussed but there is one factor that tends to influence such, that is when men are in a total or near total male atmosphere for a protracted period of time.

Interesting.

But military men are less isolated from women now than they have ever been before during all phases of military life from training to deployment, so your argument would seem less compelling than at first glance.

TooConservative  posted on  2010-01-18   8:24:58 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  

But military men are less isolated from women now than they have ever been before during all phases of military life from training to deployment, so your argument would seem less compelling than at first glance.

Perhaps you are speaking from experience, I am.

There is a difference between the terms "isolated" and "accessible". I wont go into that in detail.

The military went into this study in great depth. There was a difference in behavior of all facets, not just suicide, when a young mans daily routine was limited to men for extensive periods of time, especially those being away for the first time from a Mother, sisters etc all in daily attendance.

In the islands during Korea, as flight crews we were on duty 24/7 for a three month stretch. At least once during that confinement we flew to Japan for one reason, to let off steam. You can interpret that. The military did not allow that because they wanted to be nice to us, they wanted to maintain order and some measure of contentment.

The non flying people were there for 18 months, booze, no women and no hope. About once a month one would blow their brains out. All were young, first time away, etc etc. Older suicides did not happen as I recall.

The study went into this so far as to say that just the smell of women in daily proximity was a calming and controlling effect. Older suicides were rare, but still, we all had .45s but no ammunition. There was a reason for that.

Cynicom  posted on  2010-01-18   8:59:34 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  

#29. To: Cynicom (#28)

I'm just saying there is far more contact with women as soldiers and contractors now than there has ever been. Surely you're not suggesting today's troops are as isolated from women as they were in the Fifties.

TooConservative  posted on  2010-01-18 10:02:33 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  

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