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Title: Do Three People Have a Right to Marry Each Other?
Source: townhall.com
URL Source: http://townhall.com/columnists/Terr ... ve_a_right_to_marry_each_other
Published: Jan 13, 2010
Author: Terry Jeffrey
Post Date: 2010-01-13 10:58:09 by Eric Stratton
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Views: 248
Comments: 24

Do Three People Have a Right to Marry Each Other?
Terry Jeffrey
Wednesday, January 13, 2010

Any inquiry aimed at discovering the nature of marriage must ultimately arrive at one of two conclusions: Either marriage is something with an absolute nature ordained by God and thus unchangeable or it is an artificial thing, created by human beings on their own authority, and thus changeable according to the whims of whatever members of the human race happen to gain the political power needed to define it for the rest of the species.

If the first conclusion is correct, the rules of marriage are as inflexible as the rules of mathematics. Just as 1 plus 1 always equals 2, so must marriage always equal the union of one man and one woman.

If the second conclusion is correct, there are no limits at all on what "marriage" could mean.

In the 2008 election, 52 percent of California voters embraced the first conclusion. They approved Proposition 8, an amendment to the state constitution that says marriage is the union of one man and one woman.

After the election, a group called the American Foundation for Equal Rights filed suit in federal court aiming to overturn Proposition 8 on behalf of one homosexual couple and one lesbian couple who want to marry. In its suit, which went to trial in California this week, the group embraced the second conclusion about the nature of marriage. They presented their argument in a brief signed by Theodore Olson, former solicitor general for President George W. Bush, and David Boies, who represented then-Vice President Al Gore in the fight over Florida's vote count in the 2000 presidential election.

These lawyers are asking the court to recognize that marriage is not a "static institution" but one that changes and will continue changing as part of an "evolving society."

"Moreover, the evidence at trial will show that there is no such thing as 'traditional marriage,' at least as Proponents use that phrase, because marriage historically has not been a static institution," says their brief. "Rather, the legal rules defining marriage have evolved over time. Plaintiff's experts will testify that marriage has changed over time to reflect the changing needs, values and understanding of our evolving society."

Following from their assumption that marriage is a malleable institution that government can change, these lawyers argue that it violates the Equal Protection Clause of the 14th Amendment for the government to prevent two people of the same sex from marrying each other. They claim it is unjust discrimination based on sexual orientation, sex and even "defined" gender roles.

Proposition 8, they say, "violates equal protection because it impermissibly discriminates on the basis of sexual orientation and sex."

Proposition 8, they continue, also violates equal protection because it "prohibits a man from marrying the same person that a woman would be free to marry and, vice versa."

Moreover, they say, "the so-called 'traditional' marriage that Proponents claim Prop. 8 was intended to preserve is one that defined roles based on sex and reflects a time of de jure and de facto gender inequality."

So, under the Constitution as interpreted by these advocates of homosexual marriage, where can a state permissibly set limits on matrimony? Would three people have an "equal protection" right to marry each other? Of course they would. So would four, five, six or 600. What was and was not a marriage would only be determined by "the changing needs, values and understanding of our evolving society."

The first victims of this specious quest to "evolve" our society by declaring same-sex marriage a constitutional right would be the most vulnerable class of Americans: children.

The argument of super-lawyers Olson and Boies assumes on its face that children have neither a need nor a right to a father or a mother. It attacks the very idea of motherhood and fatherhood

"Plaintiffs' experts will testify that there is no credible evidence suggesting any difference in the quality of the child-rearing environment in households led by same-sex couples than in households led by opposite-sex couples, and that the best interests of a child are equally served by being raised by same-sex parents," the lawyers say.

These lawyers want a federal judge to tell children yet unborn - -who may in fact be artificially conceived for the specific purpose of being handed over to a homosexual couple -- that they do not need a father and cannot have one or that they do not need a mother and cannot have one.

If federal judges do indeed hold that the claimed right of two men to marry each other trumps the natural right of a child to be loved and nurtured by a mother and father, we should not expect the uprooting of natural law as the basis for positive law in our society to end with this brutal disregard for the rights of children. The courts might as well declare that 1 plus 1 equals 4.

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Or how about a man/woman and a dog e.g.? Why not.

Sounds like polygamy is making a comeback! Certain Mormons might be encouraged.

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#1. To: Eric Stratton (#0)

My neighbor has a favorite donkey?

Cynicom  posted on  2010-01-13   11:28:12 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#2. To: Eric Stratton (#0)

All the same 'conservatives' who are OUTRAGED about courts and gay marriage are the same 'conservatives' who CHEERED when the courts struck down laws against miscegenation.

Morons!

Tell the courts to take a flying leap. By the time you're defending your institutions and culture in court, you've already lost.

It's not socialism if it's the white man's money

Prefrontal Vortex  posted on  2010-01-13   11:36:06 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#3. To: Eric Stratton (#0)

If federal judges do indeed hold that the claimed right of two men to marry each other trumps the natural right of a child to be loved and nurtured by a mother and father, we should not expect the uprooting of natural law as the basis for positive law in our society to end with this brutal disregard for the rights of children.

US Citizens are all LEGAL FICTIONS. The LAWS have been set in place to prohibit any discrimination between them (LEGAL FICTIONS).

Two LEGAL FICTIONS regardless of sex MUST BE RECOGNIZED by the LAWS and that means LEGALIZED GAY MARRIAGE WILL BECOME LAW.

Natural law doesn't apply to LEGAL FICTIONS. That is the primary reason I continually harp on exiting THEIR SYSTEM of LEGAL FICTIONS. Natural law HAS BEEN UPROOTED BY THE FEDERAL RESERVE BANK GOVERNMENT.

I know I'm talking to myself ... again.

Let me add this: When Jesus said to the Pharisees, your traditions (Babylonian LAW / TALMUDIC LAW / LAW MERCHANT ) makes my Father's law of no effect, He was saying the same thing I am saying.

No Christian can serve two masters according to the word of God. So, how can the Christian of today avoid being a hypocrite when they worship/serve Uncle Sambo and remain Social Securitized ???

I say they can't. They're lying to themselves.

Joshua 24:15

And if it seem evil unto you to serve the LORD, choose you this day whom ye will serve; whether the gods which your fathers served that were on the other side of the flood, or the gods of the Amorites, in whose land ye dwell: but as for me and my house, we will serve the LORD.

Doing what's right isn't always easy but it's always right.

noone222  posted on  2010-01-13   11:41:27 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#4. To: Eric Stratton (#0)

LOL!

As if California hasn't enough problems, it decides questions like this are urgent. Cali is truly the land of fruits and nuts.

Jethro Tull  posted on  2010-01-13   11:42:13 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#5. To: Prefrontal Vortex (#2)

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The relationship between morality and liberty is a linear one.

Eric Stratton  posted on  2010-01-13   11:44:44 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#6. To: noone222 (#3)

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The relationship between morality and liberty is a linear one.

Eric Stratton  posted on  2010-01-13   11:46:01 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#7. To: Jethro Tull (#4)

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The relationship between morality and liberty is a linear one.

Eric Stratton  posted on  2010-01-13   11:46:39 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#8. To: Prefrontal Vortex (#2)

I disagree. Where I live the conservatives/Confederates (overlapping categories) were all against miscegenation also.

But so many of their daughters "went black" and "wouldn't go back" that it became a losing battle culturally.

Ironically, though, the case that struck down those laws, Loving v. Virginia, involved a white man and a black woman.

“I would give no thought of what the world might say of me, if I could only transmit to posterity the reputation of an honest man.” - Sam Houston

Sam Houston  posted on  2010-01-13   12:03:11 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#9. To: Eric Stratton (#0)

I had a semi-tongue-in-cheek net discussion a while back about whether a group of any size of people should be able to get married. Comes down to what marriage is. If it's merely something that defines how inheritance is to be handled & who has the right to make medical decisions when a partner is incapacitated, marriage is simply a civil contract which any number of people should be able to be a party too. Calling it "marriage" or something else isn't really important.

If marriage is in the context of a religiously recognized union, then each church can define it as they see fit.

The real conflict needing state involvement is when kids are involved, with adoption and such.

Pinguinite  posted on  2010-01-13   12:05:36 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#10. To: Pinguinite (#9)

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The relationship between morality and liberty is a linear one.

Eric Stratton  posted on  2010-01-13   13:05:34 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#11. To: Cynicom (#1)

My neighbor has a favorite donkey?

laughing....

christine  posted on  2010-01-13   13:28:53 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#12. To: Sam Houston (#8)

But so many of their daughters "went black" and "wouldn't go back" that it became a losing battle culturally.

Bullshit.

It's not socialism if it's the white man's money

Prefrontal Vortex  posted on  2010-01-13   13:41:22 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#13. To: Eric Stratton (#0)

Or how about a man/woman and a dog e.g.? Why not.

Dogs can't consent and they can't enter into contracts.

The first victims of this specious quest to "evolve" our society by declaring same-sex marriage a constitutional right would be the most vulnerable class of Americans: children

What a lame lie! It's "for the children" that we must persecute adults? Sure. Right. I'll consider believing that when we start burning Christian heretics at the stake.

Patriot Henry  posted on  2010-01-13   13:51:43 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#14. To: Eric Stratton (#10)

Contrary to the favor of many here, when we do things God's way, or at least model it that way as we cannot possibly do so perfectly, then He blesses and things work out for the good and to the health of families and therefore societies.

God's way is imposing ones personal beliefs upon others using the power to steal, cage, and or kill people?

Patriot Henry  posted on  2010-01-13   13:52:30 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#15. To: Patriot Henry (#13)

I'll consider believing that when we start burning Christian heretics at the stake.

In California they are already trying to burn plain old Christians at the stake, or rather, in the church as the structure burns to the ground.

Is there a difference?

Somewhere, Jimmy Carter is laughing and saying, "Finally! I won't be the worst President ever!"

mirage  posted on  2010-01-13   14:05:49 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#16. To: Patriot Henry (#14)

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The relationship between morality and liberty is a linear one.

Eric Stratton  posted on  2010-01-13   14:07:52 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#17. To: Patriot Henry (#14)

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The relationship between morality and liberty is a linear one.

Eric Stratton  posted on  2010-01-13   14:11:01 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#18. To: Eric Stratton (#17)

Seems to me that the liberals and ungodly are fulfilling that task quite nicely.

They are helped along to no small degree by their heretical liberty hating brethren.

I don't ever recall trying to force my christian beliefs on anyone else.

Do you oppose all religious based restrictions on personal liberty i.e. the prohibition of "gay marriage"?

You sound exactly like Al Gore, as one example among many liberals, would here!

Right. I sound like Al Gore because I favor liberty for all. Yep. That makes me exactly like Al Gore. Assuming of course you are referring to an Al Gore from a parallel universe that we've never actually seen or heard of before.

Patriot Henry  posted on  2010-01-13   17:51:57 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#19. To: Prefrontal Vortex (#12) (Edited)

Interracial marriages surge across U.S.

The boundaries were still distinct in 1967, a year when the Sidney Poitier film Guess Who's Coming to Dinner— a comedy built around parents' acceptance of an interracial couple — was considered groundbreaking. The Supreme Court ruled that Virginia could not criminalize the marriage that Richard Loving, a white, and his black wife, Mildred, entered into nine years earlier in Washington, D.C.

But what once seemed so radical to many Americans is now commonplace.

Many prominent blacks — including Supreme Court Justice Clarence Thomas — have married whites.

When you can get only 40 percent in Alabama to vote against miscegenation, you know it's over culturally.

“I would give no thought of what the world might say of me, if I could only transmit to posterity the reputation of an honest man.” - Sam Houston

Sam Houston  posted on  2010-01-13   19:36:18 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#20. To: Sam Houston (#19)

Interracial marriages surge across U.S.

Scam, what are you? Some Larouchie, moonie, or just an old fashioned wacko?

The vast majority of interracial couples I've seen have some fat pig white trash woman with an IQ of 80 with a cracked out nigger.

I'm not surprised you're in favor of such things, I'm sure you're the product of such a union.

Show Me Obama's Birth Certificate!

Flintlock  posted on  2010-01-13   19:45:50 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#21. To: Patriot Henry (#18)

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The relationship between morality and liberty is a linear one.

Eric Stratton  posted on  2010-01-13   19:58:52 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#22. To: Sam Houston (#19)

Commonplace?

Still bullshit. As anybody with eyes can see.

Anyway, white girls who screw blacks are just trash.

And there's no reason at all to worry about trash.

It's not socialism if it's the white man's money

Prefrontal Vortex  posted on  2010-01-13   21:06:31 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#23. To: Prefrontal Vortex (#22)

Anyway, white girls who screw blacks are just trash.

Damaged goods.

Or to quote David Allan Coe:

Cause there's nothing quite as worthless
As a white girl with a nigger

www.dailymotion.com/video...n-coe-nigger-fucker_music

Show Me Obama's Birth Certificate!

Flintlock  posted on  2010-01-13   21:20:40 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#24. To: Eric Stratton (#0)

Or how about a man/woman and a dog e.g.? Why not.

Dogs can't consent, unlike fruit flies which can buzz once for yes and twice for no. That settled, I demand the right to take out a life insurance policy on my new drosophilan bride, time is running out.

In 2007, the FBI reported on concern about white supremacists recruiting soldiers, saying "hundreds" of neo-Nazis were in the active military. But in April, a Department of Homeland Security report on extremism that reiterated much the same point was widely criticized by veterans groups and some conservative politicians as being unpatriotic, leading the Justice Department to retract the DHS report.

Critics acknowledge that extremism in the Army is a touchy political subject.

Dakmar  posted on  2010-01-13   21:40:43 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


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