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Title: Airplane Abducted By UFO: Caught On Tape
Source: YouTube
URL Source: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g9cZ8F1KTTM
Published: Aug 11, 2009
Author: jmart714
Post Date: 2010-01-14 20:29:53 by FormerLurker
Keywords: UFO, Abduction
Views: 686
Comments: 59

Author's Description of Video:

The airplane was approaching Davis Monthan Air Force Base in Tucson Arizona at approximately 4:15PM MST on August 8th, 2009. We first witnessed the object hovering in a locked position, southwest of the base. You can hear my neighbors if you turn the volume up. We thought it was a balloon, until it dropped in elevation a few thousand feet in less then a second. At that point I ran inside and grabbed my digital camera and rushed outside in time to catch the object approaching the airplane from behind. Unfortunately the microphone barely works on the camera, from being dropped so many times, so you can't hear much. But at least there is a little. The object made no sound, completely silent.

There was an attempt to take the video to the media, unfortunately, every affiliate rejected the video due to lack of evidence. There was no report in the city of a missing airplane, nor did the Air Force Base report anything missing. Many of the news affiliates did confirm that they had received calls on August 8th from various sources, claiming they had seen a UFO. They said that they receive calls on a regular basis dealing with UFOs all the time, as well as many hoax videos, and there was no reason to believe my video was anything different. They refused to believe that the Air Force base would withhold information about a missing airplane.

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#16. To: TommyTheMadArtist (#15)

Of course, you, and other chumps wouldn't know the difference.

snicker

“Gold is the money of kings; silver is the money of gentlemen; barter is the money of peasants; but debt is the money of slaves.”

buckeroo  posted on  2010-01-14   23:49:15 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

#17. To: RickyJ (#10)

There is a sucker born every minute.

Uh huh..

"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen

FormerLurker  posted on  2010-01-14   23:58:17 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

#18. To: TommyTheMadArtist (#12)

No retard, you need to take a look at it.

Uh, no dimwit. YOU need to take a look at it. The only time the "camera pans up" is AFTER the aircraft and "object" shoot upwards out of the frame.

The untrained retarded eye might miss it, but those of us who actually KNOW what to look for don't.

Looks like the untrained retarded eye sees things that aren't there and tries to convince people they know what they're talking about. Maybe if you stomp your feet hard and fast enough, and smack your monitor around a bit, you can be more convincing...

I assure you, that this video was made with After Effects, as the After Effects CODEX is embedded through out the video.

Now I KNOW you are full of shit.

  1. There is no such thing as a CODEX, it's called a Codec. And there is no proprietary After Effects Codec, it uses standard video codecs for rendering and production. I bet you don't know the first thing about video, and simply heard the phrase somewhere, and decided you'd try to pull a rabbit called CODEX out of your ass hoping people would be impressed.
  2. Humoring you for a moment, explain the encoding pattern within the video stream that alerted you to the CODEC used.
  3. Are you aware that ALL videos uploaded to YouTube are reencoded in FLV format?
  4. Did you know that any video from a camcorder needs to be imported onto a PC and rendered by SOME video software, such as Adobe After Effects, Sony Vegas, or other similar software in order to create a useable video?

Expert my ass. I bet you don't even own a camcorder, that's why you don't know shit about how it works or how to use the video it records.

"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen

FormerLurker  posted on  2010-01-15   0:13:08 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

#19. To: TommyTheMadArtist, buckeroo (#15) (Edited)

When one object is rendered at 24 frames a second, and the other is rendered at 30 frames a second, there's a problem.

Do provide the video data which indicates that.

BTW, how do you propose this was done? Because you see, when you import 24 frames per second progressive scan, it's usually enveloped in 60 frame per second interlaced. Thus, you need something like After Effects to strip the 24 FPS out of the 60 FPS envelope.

THEN, if you REALLY wanted to try to overlay that 24 FPS video with a video shot at 30 FPS progressive, then you'd have to convert that 30 FPS to 24 FPS, else the frames would jitter and go out of sync.

And IF you converted that 30 FPS to 24 FPS (not that easy a task actually), and to somehow produce a vid that showed two objects in flight as in the video we are discussing, and for one to converge upon the other and zoom away, well, that's more or less something a Hollywood studio might be able to pull off, but not the average do it yourself videographer.

BUT, there would be NO indication of a disparity in video frame rates if the above process were followed, and since there are no jittery or out of sync frames, you are full of shit.

"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen

FormerLurker  posted on  2010-01-15   0:21:31 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

#20. To: FormerLurker, TommyTheMadArtist (#19)

Tommy won't revisit your arguments. As I come to think about the same he won't revisit any of mine either.

“Gold is the money of kings; silver is the money of gentlemen; barter is the money of peasants; but debt is the money of slaves.”

buckeroo  posted on  2010-01-15   0:29:59 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

#21. To: TommyTheMadArtist, buckeroo, ALL (#15) (Edited)

And BTW Tommy, if someone was trying to hoax a video, they certainly wouldn't film their "hoax" overlay video at a different frame rate than the original.

One other glaring problem with your claims. Besides there not being such a thing as an "After Effects codec", YouTube recompresses the video and audio to Adobe Flash, which is a container file format. You'd need to uncompress the YouTube video in order to get to the original codec, and the only codecs available are the standard video and audio codecs listed under the technical data you can find on Flash Video.

You would be hard pressed to explain to me the decompression process I'd bet.

"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen

FormerLurker  posted on  2010-01-15   0:36:20 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

#22. To: buckeroo (#20)

Tommy won't revisit your arguments. As I come to think about the same he won't revisit any of mine either.

Tommy is blowing smoke out of his ass here. For what reason I'm not sure, but I AM sure he has no idea of what he's talking about.

"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen

FormerLurker  posted on  2010-01-15   0:37:25 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

#23. To: TommyTheMadArtist (#13) (Edited)

Oh, and the biggest tell of all, is that the objects pass through the wires, not behind them. Ghost imaging and errant pixelization from a composited image are ALSO the big tell.

Oh, and you're full of shit about that as well.

Besides the fact you're outright wrong, the objects do NOT pass "through" the wires, they pass BEHIND them, have you ever heard of COMPRESSION ARTIFACTS?

The pixellation is a function of the compression utilized not just by the initial compression to MP4 or whatever other codec the guy used, but the YouTube compression as well. Just as in images, when you compress a raw bitmap image to JPG, artifacts are introduced, the severity of which depends on the image quality setting selected at compression.

There is no quality setting when you upload to YouTube, it just does whatever compression is set by default, thus there will always be some loss and possible artifacts, depending on the original resolution and video size.

There are other video hosting sites which do NOT do such heavy compression, which give MUCH better video quality. But they require more storage space for the files for such quality, and YouTube is just a place for the average person to upload whatever they want, so they need to minimize the file size otherwise they'd need more storage than economically feasable.

"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen

FormerLurker  posted on  2010-01-15   0:42:39 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

#24. To: FormerLurker (#23)

Have you ever decided to be kind to animals? It is now the opportunity of a lifetime.

“Gold is the money of kings; silver is the money of gentlemen; barter is the money of peasants; but debt is the money of slaves.”

buckeroo  posted on  2010-01-15   0:47:07 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

#25. To: buckeroo (#24)

I really get a hair up my ass when a fool tries to call me a retard.

"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen

FormerLurker  posted on  2010-01-15   0:57:02 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

#26. To: FormerLurker (#25)

You are not alone. And through the years that I have known you .... you are a consistent poster with awesome capability to communicate and exchange ideas and concepts. And I want to say, thank God you stand up and make meaningful references to make us all think.

“Gold is the money of kings; silver is the money of gentlemen; barter is the money of peasants; but debt is the money of slaves.”

buckeroo  posted on  2010-01-15   1:06:25 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

#27. To: buckeroo (#26)

Thanks for the kind words buck, I truly appreciate that.

"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen

FormerLurker  posted on  2010-01-15   1:19:21 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

#28. To: FormerLurker (#23)

I know what I'm talking about. PERIOD.

If you can get one of the high res copies of this video, I think you can get it at ATS.

When this video came out I was asked to analyze it by a third party.

You're mad because you're one of those brain dead true believer types.

Nearly every camcorder on EARTH records at 24 frames per second. Most HD cameras record at 24 to 32 frames per second.

When you take a video at 24 frames per second, then add secondary objects like this video has there's a codec created in file that tells you that the footage has been edited. The mathematics and the smoothness of the SECOND object in the frame should tell you that it was added in, not to mention its opacity compared to the first object. Of course then there's the winking out which just so happen to be an After Effects Add On.

Why don't you buy The Adobe Creative Suite like I did. That way you could be making your own Fraudulent Vids, instead of posting other people's.

It is better to be hated for what you are, than loved for what you are not. - Tommy The Mad Artist.

TommyTheMadArtist  posted on  2010-01-15   1:32:51 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

#29. To: TommyTheMadArtist (#28)

Nearly every camcorder on EARTH records at 24 frames per second. Most HD cameras record at 24 to 32 frames per second.

Wrong. MOST camcorders record at 60i, newer and more expensive HD cameras are CAPABLE of recording at 24p, and some can record at 30p as well. But they ALL record at 60i, as that is the default frame rate and the ONLY frame rate the older cameras can record at.

There is NO 32 FPS video rate, you are getting increasingly ridiculous here.

"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen

FormerLurker  posted on  2010-01-15   1:41:21 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

#30. To: FormerLurker (#25)

I really get a hair up my ass when a fool tries to call me a retard.

It's the Internet, relax.

God is always good!

RickyJ  posted on  2010-01-15   1:43:08 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

#31. To: TommyTheMadArtist (#28)

The guy may have used Sony Vegas, Adobe After Effects, or a host of other video editing software to add the digitally zoomed footage. BIG DEAL.

YOU on the other hand have NO CLUE as to what he used, since there IS NO ADOBE CODEC as you claim.

Tell me Tommy, how did you convert the Flash FLV format to the original codec, and what IS the original codec. I KNOW it's not Adobe After Effect CODEX, as there IS NO SUCH THING.

"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen

FormerLurker  posted on  2010-01-15   1:44:07 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

#32. To: TommyTheMadArtist (#28)

You're mad because you're one of those brain dead true believer types.

You're mad because you're a determined liar and I don't believe you, and I KNOW you are lying.

"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen

FormerLurker  posted on  2010-01-15   1:45:14 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

#33. To: FormerLurker (#32)

Okay, believe what you like. Idiot.

It is better to be hated for what you are, than loved for what you are not. - Tommy The Mad Artist.

TommyTheMadArtist  posted on  2010-01-15   1:49:11 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

#34. To: TommyTheMadArtist (#28)

The mathematics and the smoothness of the SECOND object in the frame should tell you that it was added in, not to mention its opacity compared to the first object

Have you ever taken the time to read REAL eyewitness reports, such as those mentioned in Project Bluebook? The sliding motion and abrupt movements are HIGHLY TYPICAL, and that is what makes this even MORE believable.

I find no problem with the video at all, and you are SERIOUSLY making shit up and outright lying, for whatever purpose.

"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen

FormerLurker  posted on  2010-01-15   1:50:10 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

#35. To: FormerLurker (#32)

Don't take everything so seriously. You don't know this video is legit, so why are you defending it so much? You have no personal stake in it, why is it important to you?

The media thought nothing of it for a reason. Either they are in on the cover up of UFOs, or they know it isn't legit.

Have you seen Chris Angel walk on water? Do you believe that is legit too?

God is always good!

RickyJ  posted on  2010-01-15   1:50:30 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

#36. To: TommyTheMadArtist (#33)

Do you work for the government Tommy? Is that why you took a fit when some good people from LP came over to 4um a year or so ago, and you decided to stomp your feet, leave 4um, and go lick Goldi's ass for the entire time you were there?

"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen

FormerLurker  posted on  2010-01-15   1:51:18 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

#37. To: RickyJ (#35)

You don't know this video is legit, so why are you defending it so much? You have no personal stake in it, why is it important to you?

I know Tommy is lying, and is trying to pass off his lies as if they were fact.

"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen

FormerLurker  posted on  2010-01-15   1:52:06 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

#38. To: RickyJ (#35)

The media thought nothing of it for a reason.

Do you think the media is correct about 9/11? Do you see them do investigative reports, or give out facts that the government doesn't want people to know?

"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen

FormerLurker  posted on  2010-01-15   1:53:15 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

#39. To: FormerLurker (#34)

Do you own Adobe After Effects? Do you own the Adobe Creative Suite? Have you ever bought any of the add-ons or created special effects? Is your job in the special effects industry?

If not, then I would suggest you get acquainted with the various products and software used to create videos just like this one.

If you look at plane, it has artifacts on it. The second object does not. The reason why, is because when you film something in real life, there's discrepancies in the lighting of that object that the CCD's inside the camera may or may not be able to register.

When you CREATE an object and add it to the footage, there are no artifacts, unless you create them, or have filter software that puts them in for you. The movement of the second object has a motion filter used on it. It's why the movement in every frame is consistent, while the movement of the first object is not.

Like I said before, unless you're stepped in this stuff, you won't see it. I myself could duplicate this with minimal effort. In fact, I could actually do a BETTER job making a fake than this.

It is better to be hated for what you are, than loved for what you are not. - Tommy The Mad Artist.

TommyTheMadArtist  posted on  2010-01-15   1:55:28 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

#40. To: TommyTheMadArtist (#39)

It is better to be hated for what you are, than loved for what you are not. - Tommy The Mad Artist.

Hi Tommy -

What does your byline actually mean?

“Gold is the money of kings; silver is the money of gentlemen; barter is the money of peasants; but debt is the money of slaves.”

buckeroo  posted on  2010-01-15   1:58:13 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

#41. To: TommyTheMadArtist (#28)

then add secondary objects like this video has there's a codec created in file that tells you that the footage has been edited.

You don't even know what a fucking codec is. It's an encoding algorighm that encapsulates the luminance and chroma signals in binary format.

The entire video file is encoded with the same codec genius.

"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen

FormerLurker  posted on  2010-01-15   2:00:08 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

#42. To: TommyTheMadArtist (#39)

Tell me Tommy, what is the video data rate for a standard camcorder? 24FPS is a FILM frame rate used in old FILM cameras, and still used by Hollywood studios to produce movies with FILM.

"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen

FormerLurker  posted on  2010-01-15   2:01:48 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

#43. To: FormerLurker (#36)

I'm not sure what planet you're from Captain Douchebag, but I didn't lick anyone's ass at LP. Just like I don't take crap from some Don Quixote wannabe like you.

If I worked for the government, I wouldn't have made the No-Fly list, so you tell me. Do you honestly think that I of all the people here would work for the government?

I'm the same guy who built a scaled models for an investigation into the Pentagon Crash on 9-11, and the pods that were seen in the stills taken of the planes as they hit the towers for an independent investigative team.

With that said, you need to back off Chimpy, and quit screeching like a monkey.

The thing is, I've seen the real thing, and I've seen fakes.

I can point you out some videos that are the genuine article. The one you posted of the cloud in Russia is a pretty good example.

It is better to be hated for what you are, than loved for what you are not. - Tommy The Mad Artist.

TommyTheMadArtist  posted on  2010-01-15   2:03:00 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

#44. To: FormerLurker (#42)

No, if you have a VHS, or tape camcorder, the CCD opens and closes the aperature, and writes the image at 24 frames a second.

If you have a FULL DIGITAL camecorder, with either Hard Drive, Writeable DVD, card, they too record at 24 frames a second. If you have a Studio Grade, or Pro-Sumer camera, you have a variable rate on the camera that can be adjusted to anywhere between 4 frames a second, to 144 frames a second.

I can do this all day.

It is better to be hated for what you are, than loved for what you are not. - Tommy The Mad Artist.

TommyTheMadArtist  posted on  2010-01-15   2:05:43 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

#45. To: TommyTheMadArtist (#43)

There are many dangerous things in the universe. One, is a Hydrogen Molecule. When put under great stress and pressure, it explodes and turns into helium. Another, is an idiot. Idiots are everywhere, and are a danger to pretty much anyone or anything around them. Idiots, and Hydrogen are the most common elements in the known universe. I have come to only one conclusion about this planet, and that its denizens are some of the most idiotic and willfully ignorant creatures in the known universe. So many believe they are free, while they are governed by evil people. If their eyes were opened to the truth, some would rather pluck them out, than gaze upon the true scope of their slavery.

You really said that? What the HELL is your point?

“Gold is the money of kings; silver is the money of gentlemen; barter is the money of peasants; but debt is the money of slaves.”

buckeroo  posted on  2010-01-15   2:06:38 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

#46. To: FormerLurker (#41)

And if you open the file in After Effects???

Let me know when you stop reading crap on the internet that you think applies to edited footage.

It is better to be hated for what you are, than loved for what you are not. - Tommy The Mad Artist.

TommyTheMadArtist  posted on  2010-01-15   2:07:36 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

#47. To: TommyTheMadArtist (#39)

I really don't know why you've resorted to lying, but I won't entertain a discussion with one who's already lied MANY times on this topic.

It's one thing if you say you don't know or aren't sure, but you stated as FACT that camcorders all use 24 FPS, which they DO NOT. The early camcorders ONLY could record at 60 FPS interlaced, and only recently has 24FPS and 30FPS been introduced.

24FPS is to give an independent filmmaker more of a "film" look to the video, and 30FPS is to give better quality when uploading to YouTube, since Adobe Flash delivers the video at 30FPS no matter what the original frame rate was.

"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen

FormerLurker  posted on  2010-01-15   2:13:14 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

#48. To: TommyTheMadArtist (#44) (Edited)

No, if you have a VHS, or tape camcorder, the CCD opens and closes the aperature, and writes the image at 24 frames a second.

Absolute bullshit.

The NTSC standard is 60i, which is 29.97 interlaced frames per second.

It is called 60i because the image is scanned in approximately 60 interlaced fields per second, 59.94 to be exact. When the interlaced fields are combined, they become 29.97 full frames. So I was a bit off with my terminology, where I was saying 60FPS, which was really 60 FIELDS not FRAMES. However, NO VHS camera EVER used 24FPS as a frame rate.

You are not talking to an idiot here Tommy, and you will NOT succeed in feeding me bullshit.

"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen

FormerLurker  posted on  2010-01-15   2:18:35 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

#49. To: TommyTheMadArtist (#46)

And if you open the file in After Effects???

Since you know nothing about codecs or frame rates, I seriously doubt you own Adobe After Effects.

"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen

FormerLurker  posted on  2010-01-15   2:20:45 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

#50. To: FormerLurker (#47)

Again, stop reading crap on the internet you think is relevant to the topic, and unless you actually work with the software involved in creating this hoax, simply shut up.

You're calling me a liar, because you don't know anything about the means to perpetrate such a hoax.

I can point to a dozen videos that do not have all the earmarks of a fraud, one of which you posted, of the Russian Glowing Cloud. What floors me is how important this one is to you, and how important that it can't be a hoax. I assure you, It IS.

But hey, what do I know right?

If I was going to make this particular hoax, all I'd have to do is shoot some video. Not difficult. Then, open up 3D studio Max, or... Maya and create an object. That object can then be exported with a transparent background. Overlayed into the footage in After-Effects, and scaled to fit the scene. I's why it doesn't change angles or shape in the video. But hey... Again, I don't know what I'm talking about.

It is better to be hated for what you are, than loved for what you are not. - Tommy The Mad Artist.

TommyTheMadArtist  posted on  2010-01-15   2:22:40 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

#51. To: FormerLurker (#48)

And how many frames are dropped? It's why when you watch REAL objects move in a scene, and fake objects move in a seen, you can tell the fake ones by the fact that there are no dropped frames.

Politely, Go fuck yourself.

It is better to be hated for what you are, than loved for what you are not. - Tommy The Mad Artist.

TommyTheMadArtist  posted on  2010-01-15   2:25:08 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

#52. To: TommyTheMadArtist (#50) (Edited)

Again, stop reading crap on the internet you think is relevant to the topic, and unless you actually work with the software involved in creating this hoax, simply shut up.

CRAP on the INTERNET? I'm an engineer bud, and knew video transmission and encoding theory while you still sucking your momma's tit more than likely.

"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen

FormerLurker  posted on  2010-01-15   2:29:57 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

#53. To: TommyTheMadArtist (#51)

You fuck off pal.

"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen

FormerLurker  posted on  2010-01-15   2:30:57 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

#54. To: TommyTheMadArtist (#51)

There ARE no dropped frames you raving moron.

"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen

FormerLurker  posted on  2010-01-15   2:31:55 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

#55. To: TommyTheMadArtist (#51)

Politely, Go fuck yourself.

BRAVO! A double entendre.

“Gold is the money of kings; silver is the money of gentlemen; barter is the money of peasants; but debt is the money of slaves.”

buckeroo  posted on  2010-01-15   2:32:40 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

#56. To: TommyTheMadArtist (#50) (Edited)

You started in with saying there was an Adobe After Effects CODEX in the video. There IS NO SUCH THING. There are codecs such as; On2 VP6, Sorenson Spark, Screen video, Screen video 2, and H.264, which are compatable with Adobe Flash (as in YouTube videos).

There are others such as Lagarith, Indeo, DivX, and Cineform.

However, there is NO Adobe After Effects CODEC (not CODEX).

Hell, you didn't even appear to know what a codec IS, since you thought it was some sort of marker in the file that indicates modifications. You see modifications in the PROJECT FILES (yes, I HAVE used video editing software you jackass), not in the finished product, and NOT as a codec. A codec is the encoding scheme used to encode and decode the video data into binary format.

You then went on to say all camcorders generally record in 24FPS, which is untrue. All camcorders record in 60i, and SOME of the newer ones can record in 24p and 30p.

You claimed the video was a combination of 30FPS and 24FPS composites.

This would contradict your "observation" that the object moved in a highly smooth manner, where it would be jerky and shaky if it were recorded at 30 and converted to 24 to blend in with the original video filmed at 24, assuming that's what you meant. Conversely, the house and the plane would have jerky and jittery movement if it were the other way around.

Then you go on with all sort of video products you could find on the net, hoping to find one that might be able to create an animation that you could claim was added to the original video. You forget that both objects moved with the same camera shake, and both objects pass behind the house and the wires with no disparity between them.

You ARE full of shit, and I don't care how smart you think you are or claim you are.

End of conversation.

"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen

FormerLurker  posted on  2010-01-15   2:49:07 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


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