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Title: Dutch panel finds Iraq war had no legal mandate
Source: BBC
URL Source: http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/europe/8453305.stm
Published: Jan 12, 2010
Author: Staff
Post Date: 2010-01-15 03:03:16 by Tatarewicz
Keywords: None
Views: 1584
Comments: 132

A Netherlands legal panel has concluded the West's military action against Iraq had no sound mandate in international law and that Dutch political support for the war was to a considerable extent led by public and other information from the US and UK. The inquiry, which included a former Supreme Court judge, found the war was not justified by a UN resolution.

Tatarewicz: Would be interesting to know if the 550-page report identified the Israel agents in the US administration who were primarily responsible for instigating the Iraq war.

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#3. To: Tatarewicz (#0) (Edited)

Dutch panel finds Iraq war had no legal mandate

Saddam violated surrender agreements made at the end of the Persian Gulf War and had his military fire ground to air missiles at U.S. military jets several times between then and the Iraq War.

This is not even counting Saddam's crimes against humanity; mass-murders, mass-rapes, torture prisons and use of chemical weapons against civilians. Nor mentioning the various Weapons Inspection debacles.

The Dutch just were not looking hard enough.

PaulCJ  posted on  2010-01-15   4:52:41 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  

This is not even counting Saddam's crimes against humanity

Then maybe the US should stop backing criminals. Scumbags like Saddam wouldn't make it past used car salesman if not for the help of "American foreign policy".

bluegrass  posted on  2010-01-18   9:29:43 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  

Then maybe the US should stop backing criminals. Scumbags like Saddam wouldn't make it past used car salesman if not for the help of "American foreign policy".

Not to justify it, but most of the nations of the world got their hands dirty in someway during the Cold War. So, don't you dare pretend that the U.S. was the only nation, while the rest of the world were full of saints.

PaulCJ  posted on  2010-01-18   9:53:44 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  

Not to justify it, but most of the nations of the world got their hands dirty in someway during the Cold War.

Perhaps. That's no excuse for us to keep engaging in the same crap that didn't work even back then.

bluegrass  posted on  2010-01-18   10:40:21 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  

Not to justify it, but most of the nations of the world got their hands dirty in someway during the Cold War.

Perhaps. That's no excuse for us to keep engaging in the same crap that didn't work even back then.

We got into a lot of thuggish habits in the Cold War fighting those thugs, the communists.

randge  posted on  2010-01-18   11:01:04 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  

Odd how we "discovered" the threat of those evil Muslims in Asia just about the time that the evil Commies in Asia disappeared.

bluegrass  posted on  2010-01-18   11:08:55 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  

Odd how we "discovered" the threat of those evil Muslims in Asia just about the time that the evil Commies in Asia disappeared.

That's because the commies and the muslims were busy killing each before hand.

PaulCJ  posted on  2010-01-18   11:48:19 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  

That's because the commies and the muslims were busy killing each before hand.

I find it interesting that out one side of your mouth you bitch about big government and the welfare state while out the other are an apologist for big government and the warfare state. What's even more interesting is that you do not see the contradictions.

F.A. Hayek Fan  posted on  2010-01-18   12:01:39 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  

They honestly believe that it a National Defense war; most of them generally believe 911 The Official Government Story® and are completely detached from what the Constitution actually limits us to or permits...

Rotara  posted on  2010-01-18   12:04:53 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  

They honestly believe that it a National Defense war; most of them generally believe 911 The Official Government Story® and are completely detached from what the Constitution actually limits us to or permits...

Then they need to quit bitching about big government. Big government and a loss of liberties walks hand-in-hand with the warfare state. In a warfare state, EVERYONE is an enemy to the state until proven otherwise. There must be a surveillance society and police state in order to protect the government from the "enemy" and that surveillance society and police state takes money to run it, therefore taxes have to be high.

F.A. Hayek Fan  posted on  2010-01-18   12:10:10 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  

yes, how convenient it is to suffer from this confliction and not even realize it...

Rotara  posted on  2010-01-18   12:12:51 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  

yes, how convenient it is to suffer from this confliction and not even realize it...

I believe psychologists call it cognitive dissonance, which means to hold two contradictory ideas simultaneously.

F.A. Hayek Fan  posted on  2010-01-18   12:16:26 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  

I believe psychologists call it cognitive dissonance, which means to hold two contradictory ideas simultaneously.

A lot of people suffer from "cognitive dissonance". They believe that preaching anti-U.S. views will somehow "help" the U.S.

PaulCJ  posted on  2010-01-18   20:36:34 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  

They believe that preaching anti-U.S. views will somehow "help" the U.S.

No one on this site preaches against the U.S. The people on this site preach against the federal government. It is no ones fault but your own that your are too sycophantic to understand the difference.

F.A. Hayek Fan  posted on  2010-01-18   22:01:08 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  

No one on this site preaches against the U.S.

*Falls over laughing*

I just cannot help laughing.

PaulCJ  posted on  2010-01-18   23:49:17 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  

*Falls over laughing*

I am impressed that you think the US government follows the basic framework for government based upon the US Constitution. Do you really believe all these foreign interventionist affairs has yielded you increased individual liberties?

If not ... how come? Our national government was designed to hold individual liberties and freedoms and rights as the SUPREME LAW OF THE LAND.

If so ... where are these liberties?

buckeroo  posted on  2010-01-19   0:30:30 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  

I am impressed that you think the US government follows the basic framework for government based upon the US Constitution.

I never said that. Don't put words in my mouth.

PaulCJ  posted on  2010-01-19   1:32:58 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  

Why is America making war around the world or playing world cop while extracting ever higher taxes from its own citizens while attempting to topple so-called "evil government."

Hmmmmmmm?

buckeroo  posted on  2010-01-19   1:40:51 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  

Why is America making war around the world or playing world cop while extracting ever higher taxes from its own citizens while attempting to topple so-called "evil government."

Your question is based off a false assumption. It isn't about toppling governments, but killing foreign terrorists, and those who harbor such terrorists.

PaulCJ  posted on  2010-01-19   3:18:20 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  

It isn't about toppling governments, but killing foreign terrorists, and those who harbor such terrorists.

yes indeed.

do you ever wonder how many terrorists we create every time we bomb a wedding and kill a few dozen innocent people?

and you are buying the official 9/11 conspiracy theory wholesale, huh?

groundresonance  posted on  2010-01-19   3:24:09 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  

do you ever wonder how many terrorists we create every time we bomb a wedding and kill a few dozen innocent people?

Do you ever wonder how many terrorist are created when nothing is done to stop them?

PaulCJ  posted on  2010-01-19   3:38:07 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  

Do you ever wonder how many terrorist are created when nothing is done to stop them?

how many terrorists do you create when you shock and awe a country and cause hundreds of thousands of needless deaths?

how you gonna have a "war on terror" if you dont have terrorists? you gots to create terrorists to provide the pretext for your "war on terror", dont you?

how else can you grab oil and preserve israel...? ...you cant just haul off and start exterminating people and steal their oil and land without some excuse, can you?

groundresonance  posted on  2010-01-19   3:44:15 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  

If good men do nothing, that is evil enough.

PaulCJ  posted on  2010-01-19   3:46:34 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  

If good men do nothing, that is evil enough.

are you trying to say that the neocons are good men?

groundresonance  posted on  2010-01-19   3:49:15 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  

If you don't understand the quote, then there is no point in explaining to you. You still wouldn't understand it.

PaulCJ  posted on  2010-01-19   4:00:53 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  

neocons, who terrorized their own countrymen to rally support for their oil and land grab, are good guys.

good enough.

groundresonance  posted on  2010-01-19   4:03:09 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  

The U.S. has not seen even a drop of oil from Iraq, so that kills your argument.

PaulCJ  posted on  2010-01-19   4:20:23 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  

The U.S. has not seen even a drop of oil from Iraq, so that kills your argument.

that doesnt kill the argument at all... all it proves is that you guys have bitten off way more than you can chew...

...and the really big dogs knew it was a haywire idea from the start, but they can see that this "war on terror" business will greatly enhance their opportunities to loot as america expires from oil shortages...

...all of which accounts for the crashing of the economy and the hundreds of billions of handouts to the financial wizards that set the whole thing up.

meanwhile, these guys could give a shit about israel: they can buy canada or argentina with the money they're stashing away... they dont need israel for a refuge.

...which is a good thing, seeing as how israel was such a piss-poor idea in the first place.

groundresonance  posted on  2010-01-19   4:24:27 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  

#104. To: groundresonance (#100)

...all of which accounts for the crashing of the economy and the hundreds of billions of handouts to the financial wizards that set the whole thing up.

Don't mean to nit-pick, but according to the latest accounting I've read, the amount of money handed out to the people responsible for the financial crisis is now up to $27 trillion.

Esso  posted on  2010-01-19 06:45:54 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  

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