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Title: Dutch panel finds Iraq war had no legal mandate
Source: BBC
URL Source: http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/europe/8453305.stm
Published: Jan 12, 2010
Author: Staff
Post Date: 2010-01-15 03:03:16 by Tatarewicz
Keywords: None
Views: 1601
Comments: 132

A Netherlands legal panel has concluded the West's military action against Iraq had no sound mandate in international law and that Dutch political support for the war was to a considerable extent led by public and other information from the US and UK. The inquiry, which included a former Supreme Court judge, found the war was not justified by a UN resolution.

Tatarewicz: Would be interesting to know if the 550-page report identified the Israel agents in the US administration who were primarily responsible for instigating the Iraq war.

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#3. To: Tatarewicz (#0) (Edited)

Dutch panel finds Iraq war had no legal mandate

Saddam violated surrender agreements made at the end of the Persian Gulf War and had his military fire ground to air missiles at U.S. military jets several times between then and the Iraq War.

This is not even counting Saddam's crimes against humanity; mass-murders, mass-rapes, torture prisons and use of chemical weapons against civilians. Nor mentioning the various Weapons Inspection debacles.

The Dutch just were not looking hard enough.

PaulCJ  posted on  2010-01-15   4:52:41 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  

Saddam violated surrender agreements made at the end of the Persian Gulf War and had his military fire ground to air missiles at U.S. military jets several times between then and the Iraq War.

This is not even counting Saddam's crimes against humanity; mass-murders, mass-rapes, torture prisons and use of chemical weapons against civilians. Nor mentioning the various Weapons Inspection debacles.

Were any of your "reasons" cited by GWBush to invade Iraq?

buckeroo  posted on  2010-01-17   17:54:13 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  

Were any of your "reasons" cited by GWBush to invade Iraq?

Yes. That is why Bush went to the UN for five to six months worth of stonewalling by the UN until he had the U.S. act alone.

PaulCJ  posted on  2010-01-17   19:43:14 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  

Not true.

GWBush sandbagged the UN by eliminating in large part the documented requirements by Saddam Hussein to show earlier UN sanction results. I was in France at the time and know what was going on. GWBush lied to the UN and he lied to the American people; he even had Colin Powell make a bold-faced lie about WMD.

And once GWBush was booed by the UN, the same rat-bastard-empire-builder eliminated any UN security council votes by withdrawing his issue as he knew he fucked upped his own miserable methods.

GWBush only used the single ploy of WMD against Saddam Hussein, nothing of or about your reasoning. And as you know, no WMD were ever found.

buckeroo  posted on  2010-01-17   20:00:20 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  

I was in France at the time and know what was going on.

You were in France at the time and listening to anti-U.S. press there. Bush went to the UN, and for over five months the UN but stonewall him on doing anything about Iraq.

Later, when Iraq was captured by the U.S. military, documents were found that showed that Saddam was giving kickbacks to those at the UN, through the Oil-for-Food program, to stonewall any political measures that threatened Saddam's control of Iraq.

In other words, those at the UN was guilty of accepting bribes from Saddam.

PaulCJ  posted on  2010-01-17   23:29:08 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  

You were in France at the time and listening to anti-U.S. press there.

If you ever decide to step outside the box, you will find that anti-American sentiment is worldwide for the shenanigans that American foreign policy performs. But beyond all that the USA is a security council member and derailed Hussein's documentation required by the UN.

After the uproar in the general assembly, the USA then revolked it's own plea for UN support within the security council as there was no way it would pass.

GWBush fucked-upped from the beginning.

buckeroo  posted on  2010-01-17   23:36:37 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  

lighten up on paully he only knows what dickcheesey tells him.

IRTorqued  posted on  2010-01-17   23:42:21 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  

lighten up on paully he only knows what dickcheesey tells him.

Butt out, torqy.

PaulCJ  posted on  2010-01-17   23:59:57 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  

Butt out, torqy.

Who are you sir, to tell anyone to butt out of an argument here?

You know, it rang a bit comical to read "I was in France at the time and listening to anti-U.S. press there." But there's a point there that shouldn't be missed. There's a lot of just plain news that we don't get here past the mainstream filter.

Were you aware that at the time Saddam was committing his crimes against humanity. the mass-murders, the mass-rapes, the tortures, the use of chemical weapons against civilians, we were happily shipping him millions of tons of grain which he was happily selling on the international market, using the proceeds to further oppress his people?

Folks at the Agriculture Department were becoming concerned about the legality of these operations which required its stamp of approval. The Department wrote a letter to Sec'y of State James Baker who wrote back in effect, "Relax, he's our buddy. Don't get your panties in a bunch."

Did hear about our grain sales on the NBC Nightly News?

What some folks call anti-American propaganda is often just reporting of facts we find are discomforting to hear.

randge  posted on  2010-01-18   5:29:01 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  

1. Who are you sir, to tell anyone to butt out of an argument here?

2. What some folks call anti-American propaganda is often just reporting of facts we find are discomforting to hear.

1. IRTorqued comment was flame towards me. Flaming serves no constructive purpose. So, I told him to butt out. Or do you wish for this to turn into a flame war? Personally, I am against that.

2. You forget that those who make such accusations, which you repeat, have their own agendas. And most of those agendas are meant to hurt the U.S. population.

PaulCJ  posted on  2010-01-18   7:38:40 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  

You forget that those who make such accusations, which you repeat, have their own agendas. And most of those agendas are meant to hurt the U.S. population.

Reporting facts is not "making allegations", it is simply reporting historical documented facts.

The news is tightly controlled as it is, would you rather see it so that only propaganda is allowed to be fed to the populace?

FormerLurker  posted on  2010-01-18   7:49:28 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  

Reporting facts is not "making allegations", it is simply reporting historical documented facts.

Every one and every source has an agenda. That is what I am pointing out.

PaulCJ  posted on  2010-01-18   8:14:24 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  

Every one and every source has an agenda. That is what I am pointing out.

So what's YOUR agenda Paul?

FormerLurker  posted on  2010-01-18   8:46:38 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  

So what's YOUR agenda Paul?

Helping to insure the continued existence of my family, my culture, and myself.

This anti-U.S. propaganda stated by the press is set for a backdrop as justification for genocide of the U.S. population. Just like the anti-jewish bigotry in post-World War I let to the holocaust right before and during World War II.

I see history repeating itself.

What is your agenda?

PaulCJ  posted on  2010-01-18   10:01:18 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  

This anti-U.S. propaganda stated by the press is set for a backdrop as justification for genocide of the U.S. population.

Do you think that the deaths of millions is A-OK if it serves the purpose of corporations and bankers? That is what your agenda appears to be, to stand up for the "rights" of inhuman bastards to kill as many innocent people as they wish as long as it makes them a tidy profit.

Your ridiculous claim that this is "anti-US propaganda" IS anti-US propaganda, where it is NOT the interests of the United States of America that is served by these criminal actions being reported, but that of those who ARE trying to destroy the USA.

let to the holocaust right before and during World War II

You sound like Joseph Goebbels, Hitler's Propaganda Minister who always painted Hitler's victims as being less than human, and deserving of whatever was done to them.

What is your agenda?

Stopping those who wish to destroy this Nation and her People.

FormerLurker  posted on  2010-01-19   13:05:16 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  

1. That is what your agenda appears to be, to stand up for the "rights" of inhuman bastards to kill as many innocent people as they wish as long as it makes them a tidy profit.

2. Your ridiculous claim that this is "anti-US propaganda" IS anti-US propaganda,

3. You sound like Joseph Goebbels, Hitler's Propaganda Minister who always painted Hitler's victims as being less than human, and deserving of whatever was done to them.

1. So you consider the U.S. as a whole to be "inhuman bastards"?

2. Your double-talk is getting tiring.

3. Actually, that is what you are doing in your post. You are painting your victims of deserving what is done to them by calling them "inhuman bastards", by accusing them of the deaths of millions of people, and by accusing them of making a profit while doing so.

So, you are not only a liar, but a hypocrite as well.

PaulCJ  posted on  2010-01-19   13:22:10 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  

let's see here...

we know that neocons believe in leo strauss's theory of the "noble lie", in which the governed are lied to as a matter of policy by the elite... the premise being that the truth is too precious to be entrusted to common citizens, including citizens of a democracy... which of course puts the burden of properly educating the voting public on the neocon propaganda apparatus.

we know the neocons believe they "are an empire now, and when we act, we create our own reality".

we know that the PNAC neocons said they needed "a new pearl harbor" in september of 2000, just before they were installed in high positions by a phony election recount in a state governed by a PNAC signatory.

we know that media and politicians are integral parts of the propaganda apparatus.

we know the media and politicians assigned blame for the 9/11 attack within hours of the attack, way before any investigation, we know that neocons resisted the idea of an investigation of 9/11, and we know that when the neocons and their toadies finally caved in and allowed an "investigation", that investigation was was restricted in ways that rendered the "investigation" farcial.

we know that there are various factions allied with the neocons, neocons themselves being mostly concerned with making the world safe for ashkenazi supremacism and israel... deathwish christian fellow travelers being mostly concerned with raising so much cain that jesus will come back ...oily corporate fascists being mostly concerned with securing access to oil and profits as oil supplies diminish.

we know that neocons have an unfortunate tendency to confirm hitler's description of jewish debate tactics, as do you.

all we have to decide is: which brand of neocon or neocon toady are you?

groundresonance  posted on  2010-01-19   13:44:49 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  

#115. To: groundresonance (#112)

we know that neocons believe in leo strauss's theory of the "noble lie", in which the governed are lied to as a matter of policy by the elite

As we common folks say, that's a humm-dinger! GWBush begged the American People to advance his war party effort supporting "nation building" and "democracy around the world."

The US is not a "democracy." The US is a "republic." I suppose even presidents fail to read what they swore to uphold.

buckeroo  posted on  2010-01-19 14:34:28 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  

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