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Title: Dutch panel finds Iraq war had no legal mandate
Source: BBC
URL Source: http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/europe/8453305.stm
Published: Jan 12, 2010
Author: Staff
Post Date: 2010-01-15 03:03:16 by Tatarewicz
Keywords: None
Views: 1712
Comments: 132

A Netherlands legal panel has concluded the West's military action against Iraq had no sound mandate in international law and that Dutch political support for the war was to a considerable extent led by public and other information from the US and UK. The inquiry, which included a former Supreme Court judge, found the war was not justified by a UN resolution.

Tatarewicz: Would be interesting to know if the 550-page report identified the Israel agents in the US administration who were primarily responsible for instigating the Iraq war.

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#3. To: Tatarewicz (#0) (Edited)

Dutch panel finds Iraq war had no legal mandate

Saddam violated surrender agreements made at the end of the Persian Gulf War and had his military fire ground to air missiles at U.S. military jets several times between then and the Iraq War.

This is not even counting Saddam's crimes against humanity; mass-murders, mass-rapes, torture prisons and use of chemical weapons against civilians. Nor mentioning the various Weapons Inspection debacles.

The Dutch just were not looking hard enough.

PaulCJ  posted on  2010-01-15   4:52:41 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  

Saddam violated surrender agreements made at the end of the Persian Gulf War and had his military fire ground to air missiles at U.S. military jets several times between then and the Iraq War.

This is not even counting Saddam's crimes against humanity; mass-murders, mass-rapes, torture prisons and use of chemical weapons against civilians. Nor mentioning the various Weapons Inspection debacles.

Were any of your "reasons" cited by GWBush to invade Iraq?

buckeroo  posted on  2010-01-17   17:54:13 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  

Were any of your "reasons" cited by GWBush to invade Iraq?

Yes. That is why Bush went to the UN for five to six months worth of stonewalling by the UN until he had the U.S. act alone.

PaulCJ  posted on  2010-01-17   19:43:14 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  

Not true.

GWBush sandbagged the UN by eliminating in large part the documented requirements by Saddam Hussein to show earlier UN sanction results. I was in France at the time and know what was going on. GWBush lied to the UN and he lied to the American people; he even had Colin Powell make a bold-faced lie about WMD.

And once GWBush was booed by the UN, the same rat-bastard-empire-builder eliminated any UN security council votes by withdrawing his issue as he knew he fucked upped his own miserable methods.

GWBush only used the single ploy of WMD against Saddam Hussein, nothing of or about your reasoning. And as you know, no WMD were ever found.

buckeroo  posted on  2010-01-17   20:00:20 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  

I was in France at the time and know what was going on.

You were in France at the time and listening to anti-U.S. press there. Bush went to the UN, and for over five months the UN but stonewall him on doing anything about Iraq.

Later, when Iraq was captured by the U.S. military, documents were found that showed that Saddam was giving kickbacks to those at the UN, through the Oil-for-Food program, to stonewall any political measures that threatened Saddam's control of Iraq.

In other words, those at the UN was guilty of accepting bribes from Saddam.

PaulCJ  posted on  2010-01-17   23:29:08 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  

You were in France at the time and listening to anti-U.S. press there.

If you ever decide to step outside the box, you will find that anti-American sentiment is worldwide for the shenanigans that American foreign policy performs. But beyond all that the USA is a security council member and derailed Hussein's documentation required by the UN.

After the uproar in the general assembly, the USA then revolked it's own plea for UN support within the security council as there was no way it would pass.

GWBush fucked-upped from the beginning.

buckeroo  posted on  2010-01-17   23:36:37 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  

lighten up on paully he only knows what dickcheesey tells him.

IRTorqued  posted on  2010-01-17   23:42:21 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  

lighten up on paully he only knows what dickcheesey tells him.

Butt out, torqy.

PaulCJ  posted on  2010-01-17   23:59:57 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  

Butt out, torqy.

Who are you sir, to tell anyone to butt out of an argument here?

You know, it rang a bit comical to read "I was in France at the time and listening to anti-U.S. press there." But there's a point there that shouldn't be missed. There's a lot of just plain news that we don't get here past the mainstream filter.

Were you aware that at the time Saddam was committing his crimes against humanity. the mass-murders, the mass-rapes, the tortures, the use of chemical weapons against civilians, we were happily shipping him millions of tons of grain which he was happily selling on the international market, using the proceeds to further oppress his people?

Folks at the Agriculture Department were becoming concerned about the legality of these operations which required its stamp of approval. The Department wrote a letter to Sec'y of State James Baker who wrote back in effect, "Relax, he's our buddy. Don't get your panties in a bunch."

Did hear about our grain sales on the NBC Nightly News?

What some folks call anti-American propaganda is often just reporting of facts we find are discomforting to hear.

randge  posted on  2010-01-18   5:29:01 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  

1. Who are you sir, to tell anyone to butt out of an argument here?

2. What some folks call anti-American propaganda is often just reporting of facts we find are discomforting to hear.

1. IRTorqued comment was flame towards me. Flaming serves no constructive purpose. So, I told him to butt out. Or do you wish for this to turn into a flame war? Personally, I am against that.

2. You forget that those who make such accusations, which you repeat, have their own agendas. And most of those agendas are meant to hurt the U.S. population.

PaulCJ  posted on  2010-01-18   7:38:40 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  

You forget that those who make such accusations, which you repeat, have their own agendas. And most of those agendas are meant to hurt the U.S. population.

Reporting facts is not "making allegations", it is simply reporting historical documented facts.

The news is tightly controlled as it is, would you rather see it so that only propaganda is allowed to be fed to the populace?

FormerLurker  posted on  2010-01-18   7:49:28 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  

Reporting facts is not "making allegations", it is simply reporting historical documented facts.

Every one and every source has an agenda. That is what I am pointing out.

PaulCJ  posted on  2010-01-18   8:14:24 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  

Every one and every source has an agenda. That is what I am pointing out.

So what's YOUR agenda Paul?

FormerLurker  posted on  2010-01-18   8:46:38 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  

So what's YOUR agenda Paul?

Helping to insure the continued existence of my family, my culture, and myself.

This anti-U.S. propaganda stated by the press is set for a backdrop as justification for genocide of the U.S. population. Just like the anti-jewish bigotry in post-World War I let to the holocaust right before and during World War II.

I see history repeating itself.

What is your agenda?

PaulCJ  posted on  2010-01-18   10:01:18 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  

This anti-U.S. propaganda stated by the press is set for a backdrop as justification for genocide of the U.S. population.

Do you think that the deaths of millions is A-OK if it serves the purpose of corporations and bankers? That is what your agenda appears to be, to stand up for the "rights" of inhuman bastards to kill as many innocent people as they wish as long as it makes them a tidy profit.

Your ridiculous claim that this is "anti-US propaganda" IS anti-US propaganda, where it is NOT the interests of the United States of America that is served by these criminal actions being reported, but that of those who ARE trying to destroy the USA.

let to the holocaust right before and during World War II

You sound like Joseph Goebbels, Hitler's Propaganda Minister who always painted Hitler's victims as being less than human, and deserving of whatever was done to them.

What is your agenda?

Stopping those who wish to destroy this Nation and her People.

FormerLurker  posted on  2010-01-19   13:05:16 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  

1. That is what your agenda appears to be, to stand up for the "rights" of inhuman bastards to kill as many innocent people as they wish as long as it makes them a tidy profit.

2. Your ridiculous claim that this is "anti-US propaganda" IS anti-US propaganda,

3. You sound like Joseph Goebbels, Hitler's Propaganda Minister who always painted Hitler's victims as being less than human, and deserving of whatever was done to them.

1. So you consider the U.S. as a whole to be "inhuman bastards"?

2. Your double-talk is getting tiring.

3. Actually, that is what you are doing in your post. You are painting your victims of deserving what is done to them by calling them "inhuman bastards", by accusing them of the deaths of millions of people, and by accusing them of making a profit while doing so.

So, you are not only a liar, but a hypocrite as well.

PaulCJ  posted on  2010-01-19   13:22:10 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  

1. So you consider the U.S. as a whole to be "inhuman bastards"?

Does the US as a whole condone inhuman torture and the killing of innocent people? The inhuman bastards I am talking about are those who pull the strings of our government and formulate plans that enrich themselves at the expense of innocent lives. That would include the CEOs of various defense contractors, corporate heads who control the news, international bankers, and those who control THEM.

2. Your double-talk is getting tiring.

Accuse the victims of your own deeds to be the guilty parties, how novel an idea is that...

3. Actually, that is what you are doing in your post. You are painting your victims of deserving what is done to them by calling them "inhuman bastards", by accusing them of the deaths of millions of people, and by accusing them of making a profit while doing so.

MY victims? YOUR victims are the People of the United States of America, along with the millions who have lost their lives at the hands of those such as you.

This Nation's honor has been tarnished, our citizen's made into living and walking targets of revenge of those who have had their family members murdered, and our treasure squandered to line the pockets of your corporate masters.

THESE three innocent lives are just an example of what YOU condone, promote, and are responsible for...

The Guantánamo “Suicides”: A Camp Delta sergeant blows the whistle

So, you are not only a liar, but a hypocrite as well.

Look yourself in the mirror when you say those words, THEN it will be true.

FormerLurker  posted on  2010-01-19   15:08:30 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  

MY victims?

Yes, your "victims". You are hypocrite and a liar. And you refuse to practice what you preach.

PaulCJ  posted on  2010-01-22   6:54:36 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  

Yes, your "victims". You are hypocrite and a liar. And you refuse to practice what you preach.

Ah, I see you waited three days to respond, hoping I wouldn't see it.

You are a coward, a liar, AND a hypocrite.

I doubt there's any anti-american fascist act that you wouldn't defend and support.

FormerLurker  posted on  2010-01-22   19:58:10 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  

#131. To: FormerLurker (#129)

Ah, I see you waited three days to respond, hoping I wouldn't see it.

I waited three days to let things cool off before continuing the discussion. But, I see that will not work with some lacking of tac, such as yourself.

PaulCJ  posted on  2010-01-22 22:28:31 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  

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